Please... Look beyond where you are shooting

[JBinMN]

Just saw this today.

https://kstp.com/news/4-charged-after-motorcyclist-struck-by-bullet-in-carver-county/5457231/?cat=1

No excuse for it, IMO.

It should not have happened.

None of us who are responsible firearms owners need this kind of publicity.

Ever...

[Conditor22]

https://i.imgur.com/2C4bKEC.jpg

[JBinMN]

Great movie, and as well, Great advice!
;)

[abunaitoo]

Just four stupid guys, doing what comes naturally to them.
People these days look at firearms as toys, not tools.

[osteodoc08]

“ The complaint states the bullet was likely fired by a Glock 19, which was used only by Blake Martin, but testing wasn't fully sufficient for a determination.”

Wasnt this one of the reasons Glock went away from polygonal rifling. Hope the guy has a full recovery. Sad truth is, the charges won’t stick as there is no way to prove who actually fired the gun and will go to jury trial and will be acquitted.

[cwlongshot]

Prayers for those effected.

Spot on NONE OF US NEED THIS!

“The attorney's office said hunting and target shooting is legal, but every shooter is 100% responsible for assuring they have a sufficient backstop before shooting.”

Know your target and “WHATS BEYOND” is part of NRA teachings everyone could use a refresher on at some Point.

CW

[Sig556r]

I consider this reckless imprudence & not just some clueless negligence.
There is accountability in every discharge of a firearm, accidental or intentional.
Either one is safe or not, there is no gray area when it comes to pulling the trigger.
Hope the guy recovers fully.

[toallmy]

I wish everyone was held to the same standard , not just a shooter .

[EMR]

Anyone else think a 400-633yd shot out of a 4” G19 resulting in a chest penetration and a broken scapula seem like a stretch?

I’m not condoning these guys’ poor choices for safety, but if this is true then I want whatever ammo he was using for my 9mm carry pistols.

[marek313]

We lost a local sand pit because kids started to do stupid stuff : shoot tanks, clay shooting with ARs sending bullets all over the place. Old man I saw there said that he was up in the tree hunting and he had bullets going right by his tree stand. Nobody got hurt and cops kicked everyone out and closed the road off. I dont blame them but i'm pissed because it was a nice shooting place.

[cwlongshot]

Its been said... Every bullet that leaves your barrel has a lawyer attached...

They where on a hill or crest of a hill. So the distance is not that surprising.

Reminds me of my child hood shooting Squirrels. I would only shoot them on limbs when it aligned with a tree behind. It was always a 50/50 if I shot one in a crook if they would fall free or Id have to climb... (Head shots)

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[leadman]

It got so bad here in Az with people shooting with no backstop I do not shoot in the desert anymore. Had bullets going by me 3 or 4 times at least. Not hard to find a good back stop around here.

[Idz]

A good reminder. I'll include it in the next class I teach.

[JBinMN]

A good reminder. I'll include it in the next class I teach.

So will we, when the next class starts Monday the 19th.
;)

[bob208]

and we all pay the price for the few morons. most road signs around here has a bullet hole in it. some even shot up the solar farm behind our place. they had some of the bullets they were steel core we think some one was banging away with a 91-30. either trying to hit it or just not knowing or caring where they where landing. it was 800-1000 yds. away.

[country gent]

You are responsible for any bullet you fire until its expended all its energy not hit the target or backstop until its laying there no longer moving. A lot don't realize how far a bullet can travel. A lot don't realize the energy a bullet has coming down of its own weight from it trajectory.
When the ranges are hot at camp perry sections 3 5 and 7 of lake erie are closed to boaters. this an area measured in miles

History gives a view on this even. Elmer Keith is reported to have taken a deer at around 600yds with an early 4" smith and Wesson 29. Ethical not really but documented in several magazines of the day. This was a 240 grn slug probably around 1400 fps at the muzzle. Then there is one of the earliest, Billy Dixon and some hunters holed up in a fort with Indians backed off to a knoll. He takes a 50 cal sharps rifle and takes the chief down at 1500 yds. This would have been a Black Powder loaded round bullet weight of around 500 grns and 1200 fps. This was documented by the army at the time. Then there is the testing of the 45-70 and 45-90 at out to 2 miles ( I believe this was Sandy Hook) for penetration and accuracy. Modern highs velocity rounds with efficient bullets ( high BC) should be even more impressive.

[Thumbcocker]

Anyone else think a 400-633yd shot out of a 4” G19 resulting in a chest penetration and a broken scapula seem like a stretch?

I’m not condoning these guys’ poor choices for safety, but if this is true then I want whatever ammo he was using for my 9mm carry pistols.

Handguns are vastly underrated and are capable of things that folks who never shoot past 7 yards won't believe. Trust me; you do not want a person who knows the full capabilities of their gun and load shooting at you at a quarter mile or more. Elmer described the flat shooting qualities of the 9mm cartridge. He was not a fan of it for hunting or defense but admired it's accuracy and trajectory.


Search youtube for a video testing .22 long rifle rounds in ballistics jell at 300 yards. 4 layers of denim and still penetrated several inches into the jell.

[Dale53]

CountryGent;

Elmer Keith's six hundred yard shot was at a previously wounded deer. He was trying to do the humane thing.

FWIW
Dale53

[merlin101]

According to the complaint, one of the adults told deputies he thought they were shooting away from the road and "checked it on Google Maps."
That's a good idea but doesn't take the place of common sense!

[country gent]

Thanks for that additional information, I gad read vague reports on it that didn't mention that

[jsizemore]

https://www.cbs17.com/news/raleigh-man-cited-for-firing-gun-in-air-amid-knightdale-abc-store-robbery/

[Slugster]

A few years ago in Kentucky, a man fired his muzzle loader into the air to clear it at the end of his days hunt. The bullet came down and hit a 16 year old Amish girl in the head, killing her. The police report said that the young lady was riding in a buggy on a paved state road with several other people when the accident occurred.

I think of this story often as it was a tragedy for this girl's family and friends, and a stupid decision by the shooter. This accident caused untold grief for many, many, people.

Whenever I leave my home I put on my shoulder rig with 1911 .45, and say a small prayer to the effect that I hope that I never have to use it in self defense.

If carrying a firearm makes you feel 10 feet tall, then you had better put it down and never pick it up again.

When the firing pin detonates the primer, all of the Oh my Gods, I'm sorry, and I didn't mean it, will have no place in a court of law.

Be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of your shot, your target, and what is behind the target.

[robg]

Idiots are all around.