1911 boolits

[mto7464]

want to cast some 147 grain boolits for my SA 1911 in 9mm. Has anyone tried this one? Lyman 356637. The pistol prefers round nose with j bullets. just wondering if this has worked for anyone.

[Winger Ed.]

I've had real, real good results with 185 Sierra MHPs, 190 RCBS SWC & Lee 200TCs with cast in a Series 80 Gold Cup.
Never went below 185 grainers though.

As short as the 185 & 190s are, I'd think going much lighter is getting more and more to a almost round ball.


Oppps. Saw '1911' and forgot they come in more than one chambering...

[mto7464]

9MM is what I am looking for.

[Kraschenbirn]

Haven't tried that Lyman mold, but the Lee 358-150-1R sized .357 (148 gr from my alloy) works quite well in my old Smith 439.

Bill

[tazman]

I never liked that mold. It needs to be seated to deeply to get it to work in my pistols.
I have a Springfield Armory Range Officer that feeds nearly anything. I like to use the Lyman 358212. It works perfectly in all my 9mm pistols. The problem is, it can be hard to find and was only made in 2 cavity as far as I can find out.
If you want a heavy boolit. NOE makes one that is great in 9mm. http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product_info.php?cPath=34_265&products_id=1907&osCsid=b3lj07evu1342m928v6kimle06
In hollow point configuration, it drops at 147 grains. At full weight, it weighs around 155 grains. There are a couple of threads on this site discussing this boolit. Do a search for NOE TC(ELCO).
You will find lots of information about it.

[sureYnot]

Haven't tried that Lyman mold, but the Lee 358-150-1R sized .357 (148 gr from my alloy) works quite well in my old Smith 439.

BillWorks for me too. 158 with my alloy and PC.

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[country gent]

I have tried 147 grn bullets in several 9mms ( S&W, Berretta) and didn't get the performance I was used to. I would look for a 135 grn or so to try for a heavy bullet load. I would play with bullet dia ( my berretta does best with .357 dia bullets). If remember correctly from when the 147s made their "debut" in 9mm it was as a subsonic loading in the suppressed firearms of the day.

[tazman]

Berettas are a bit of an anomaly. In the 92FS and M9 the barrels slug .357 most of the time.
You are correct about the 147 grain usage.
I think the FBI was using them for a time.
A plus for the heavy boolits is they normally give a very soft recoil compared to lighter boolits at full power.

[DougGuy]

You will probably want the barrel throated for those, afterwards it will cycle and feed anything that will run through the magazine. Mfgrs couldn't be bothered to produce a gun with a SAAMI spec'd barrel, which calls for freebore on a taper, in 9mm caliber.

[sigep1764]

Taz and I have talked about the Elco boolit since we got our molds. It is fantastic! With WW alloy, it drops at 150-151 in hollow point form and almost 160 in flat point form. I use 2.8 grains of Red Dot/Promo and it has a nice soft recoil as stated above. It was also designed for fitting in tighter throated barrels. I might still be inclined to send a barrel to Doug for throating. My CZ has zero leade or throat to it and just barely chambers the Elco. Ive never heard of bad stuff coming from Doug's shop.

[Burnt Fingers]

The Elco is an awesome mold. I only wish I had gotten a 4C instead of the 2C.

OP, there are many good boolits out there. Check the MP site for some. https://mp-molds.com/e-shop/molds/solid-molds/9mm-38-147-rn-bb-8-cav-aluminum-nlg-mold

I've got that in the 6C brass and it's a awesome boolit.

[whisler]

Sent my CZ to Doug to be throated and now it will feed the Lee 358-125 RF. Great job.

[Dvdmacdaddy]

I agree with the praise of the NOE ELCO mold, very good shooter out of a PPQ Q5. I’ve bought 3 different molds chasing a bullet the Q5 would shoot with out having to seat super deep.

I also agree with using Doug to throat the barrel, he has done my .45 1911, it use to be a picky eater now I can feed it anything. Waiting for him to get new reamers to do my 9mm PPQs and 9mm P229. The hardened barrels require certain reamers and are also a nightmare on those reamers

[Petrol & Powder]

While the 147 grain bullets will sometimes produce nice small groups from a 9mm pistol, that's about the only good thing I can say about that bullet weight in 9mm Luger.
Oh, wait, it's also useful if you're using a suppressor. :-o, other than that, it's just too heavy for the cartridge.

If you're just trying to make little groups on a target with minimal velocity, the long/heavy bullets may work for you. In terms of terminal ballistics, those heavy bullets often penetrate well (often too well) but sacrifice a lot of velocity for that extra weight.
I'm going from memory here but I recall seeing test results from a pistol manufacture that showed slide velocities get out of hand quickly with the 147 gr bullet. The small case capacity of the 9mm coupled with that long/heavy 147gr bullet resulted in a very narrow window of acceptable pressures before the slide would batter the frame or unlock from the barrel too soon during the cycle.

And, as DougGuy points out, you may need to have the barrel throated in order to get reliable functioning.

[6bg6ga]

I used a 160gr round nose 38/357 bullet in my 9mm 1911 and it worked great.

[Sig556r]

want to cast some 147 grain boolits for my SA 1911 in 9mm. Has anyone tried this one? Lyman 356637. The pistol prefers round nose with j bullets. just wondering if this has worked for anyone.

Got a 4-cav drops 150ish on my alloy & PC'd.
Seating is quite finicky on tightly-chambered barrels (mostly aftermarket).
My STI 9, M&P (Lakestorm) & G19 (wolf barrel) run it like a charm, but my P226 (Barsto) & Sig Fastback don't.
Do a plunk test on each barrel you intend to shoot. You'll soon find out that some fits well while others wont.
Make sure to size a tad bigger than your slugged bore.

[ThomR]

I had that mold, and sold it. It's just a weird shape bullet, and gets seated in the case way too deep for my liking.
I've never heard anything bad about the NOE elco mold.

[Thin Man]

I have been using the Lyman 358480 pattern in 2 different Colt Lightweight Commanders (both pre-70). One pistol is 9mm and the other is Super 38. The stated weight for this mold is 133 grains but I routinely get 138 grains from my casts. This weight is spot on for the Super 38 and gives me the heaviest weight I want to run in the 9mm. In both cartridges I seat the boolit such that the mouth of the case is positioned at the middle of the forward driving band. Have never had a failure to feed with either pistol with this boolit, and both pistols are completely un-modified from original production. This mold pattern is not commonly seen on the auction sites but is worth consideration should you find one.

[DougGuy]

I also agree with using Doug to throat the barrel, he has done my .45 1911, it use to be a picky eater now I can feed it anything. Waiting for him to get new reamers to do my 9mm PPQs and 9mm P229. The hardened barrels require certain reamers and are also a nightmare on those reamers

Spoke with JGS yesterday they were intending on taking another 8 weeks to deliver the carbide 9mm reamer, and after a rather not so pleasant discussion, they called back and said they would ship August 30.

Apparently I am not the only customer that PT&G drove away. They had to buy new machines and hire new people to absorb the overflow of work.

[fredj338]

I have tried a few diff 147gr bullets styles in my 1911 Springfield 9. It will feed most anything but I will put a RN on top as first round into the chamber for competition. The best bullet I have found is the Saeco #910. A RN with a small cutting shoulder.

[Landshark9025]

I think this is the same as a group buy competition one I got for my PCC
https://www.mp-molds.com/e-shop/molds/solid-molds/9mm-38-147-rn-bb-8-cav-aluminum-mold

It does really well over TiteGroup. Casting eight at a time is also a plus.

[Minaprob]

I like heavy 9s great thread.

[Follow Me]

What you talking about? A 1911 in some caliber other than 45acp? That is blasphemy and will not be tolerated. LOL. That’s all I got.
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