Cast Spire Pts.

[Ben]

I've got one of Aladdin's old Lee 210 HBC molds. I've always had VERY good results with my mold.

There is an " Old Wive's Tale " that spire pt. cast bullets won't shoot..........

Yesterday I shot some through my Ruger # 1 , 308 Win. Stainless Sporter rifle. 18.5 grs. IMR 4198, Lee 210 gr. HBC, sized .310 with the Lee Push Thru sizers , Lars 2500 lube , with Win. Large Rifle Primers.

Results speak for themselves ( 80 yards , 5 shots fired off the bench , rifle resting in sand bags )

Ben


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[mwohlenhaus]

wow, good shootin. must have super steady hands

[docone31]

That looks dang good.
I like the looks of the casting also.

[Ben]

With .25 - .35 cent jacketed bullets ( and that price is climbing ) , I'm glad I've got a few rifles that shoot cast .30 cal bullets well.

Ben

[jhalcott]

I have a SC LEE mold that drops a bullet very similar to that one. It also weighs in at 185 grains. I get groups like yours with it. Of course the other guys tell me a POINTY cast bullet isn't worth the time to cast it! They do NOT like to see me shoot it like I do. Remington 700 Classic in 30-06. Some times I use a FN top punch to alter the top a bit and explode full gallon jugs at 100 yards for grins. I ONLY do this when one of them has paper targets in the next target stand!{;<)

[PatMarlin]

Well maybe that's been our accuracy problem all along.. :mrgreem:

Nice shooting Ben... :drinks:

[Ben]

The 311413 has also taken a bad rap from many .30 cal. shooters also. I have shot some great groups with the 413' in the 308 Win. and the 06' during the past yr.

I don't try to shoot it at " warp speed ", however.

Ben

[Larry Gibson]

The 311413 has also taken a bad rap from many .30 cal. shooters also. I have shot some great groups with the 413' in the 308 Win. and the 06' during the past yr.

I don't try to shoot it at " warp speed ", however.

Ben

There in lays the rub. Most who try to shoot the 'pointy" bullets do so to duplicate jacketed bullet velocity. Mostly in milsurp cartridges. When shot at 'warp speed" accuracy most often leaves a lot to be desired. Hence their reputation for poor accuracy.

However the Aladin bullet has a long bearing surface. Given a proper fit to the throat and concentiric chambering it should do well at reasonable velocity. "Reasonable" being upwards of 1900 fps with a 10" twist barrel.

Larry Gibson

[JeffinNZ]

Also your bullet is nicely proportioned. From where it will begin to engrave to the end of the gas check it is bearing about 2/3 its length.

[Ben]

Yes , you're right.....the bullet is misleading in appearance. There is a lot more bearing surface on this one than the 1st glimpse would make you believe.

Ben

[Will]

I shoot the 311414 which doesn't have a long bearing surface but gives me 2" groups with 20gr 2400. I know it isn't supposed to but it does.

[Maven]

Re: Aladdin's .30HBC, it DOES indeed have a longer bearing surface than a cursory glance reveals. I had one, but got mixed results in my '06 (It liked a slower burning powder.), but impressive groups in my K-31's. I think the keys to success with spire pointed CB's have very much to do with bullet fit, bearing length, powder choice and maybe the speed at which they're driven. Btw, Veral Smith's (LBT) rifle designs are as accurate as one can wish for and are SP's as well.

[Bullshop]

Maven
Yes Sir you are right about Verals spire point design, very accurate. His design likely has more bearing surface than any other pointy design. The are about the same in the body as all his designs only without maplate. I am very parshal to his spire point design.
When I was looking for a better 22 cal mold I considered his but found that CBE had a very similer design but had a small meplate and was about half the price.
For anyone looking for a high velocity 22 mold Veral would be a good choice.
BIC/BS

[Bret4207]

I think Maven has hit the nail on the head- fit. That's what it's all about. I'd compare the HBC to the 323328(???) the Lyman 8mm spire point. That thing has about 1/4 of it's length as bearing surface and the ogive has no chance to contact the throat or leade area. Of course it sux!! The little Lyman 300 Savage design (414????) is almost as bad. Fit. That solves the problem.

[HORNET]

I think that 210 HBC looks an awful lot like it could be the big brother to the 308329. I find that it and the 308413 both can do very well if the dimensions are right and you respect some limitations. They can also get "twitchy" real fast if you try pushing things too hard.

[buck1]

WOW, I may have to revisit the Spire point as I had given up on them early on. Thanks for the Info....Buck

[jhalcott]

I try for 2000/2100 fps with mine in the '06 and 1700 plus in a T/c 14" 30-30. This gives me very good groups and flat enough trajectory for 100+ yard hunting.

[Bass Ackward]

Wow. A spire point cast bullet that shoots?

Now who would a thunk that. :grin:

No rules with cast.

[Larry Gibson]

Bass

There are indeed rules; long bearing surface and a good fit to the throat are the rules. Oh yeah, and keep it in or under the RPM threshold. Not rocket science for sure.

Larry Gibson