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Jim
10-18-2008, 02:44 PM
I've got myself a big mug of strong, hot coffee with a dash of egg nog, a spoon of sugar and a shot of Jameson Irish Whiskey. It's more of a dessert coffee really.

I started a thread sometime back entitled "What would YOU do?" and now there's a thread about picking one rifle and handgun. God forbid all the possible scenarios ever develop.

I think back to just months ago when these thoughts never materialized. Now I think "Dear God, what's gonna happen if the people of this country put this man in office?".

Fellas, I don't mind admitting to you, I'm worried. I've said it before and still believe this country's goin' t' hell in a handbasket.

Boerrancher
10-18-2008, 09:49 PM
It would seem that the way things are going, my children who all all under the age of 13 have nothing great to look forward to. I know that they will not have the standard of living that I have had. I have watched my standard of living slowly deteriorate over the last 15 years. I can only sit back and shutter at what the future holds for my children.

It would seem that Half of this countries population would rather sit back and complain about the way things are going and waiting for someone else to do something, while the other half is standing there with their hand out wanting something for nothing.

In 1776 we found ourselves in a situation not all that different than that of today. The working man was being forced to pay nearly half his wages to a strong central government, who's only concern was self sustainment. Nearly 2/3 rds of the population was either apathetic or had their hand out for the king's money and favours. Only a few brave souls, quite possibly not just the greatest minds of the time but possibly of all time, planed something that cost some of them their lives, and most their lively hoods.

Do you think for a moment that the farms of Washington, Jefferson, and the likes were just like they left them after years of war, and neglect? Do you think the shipping companies that converted their ships to privateers and had half of them sunk by the English fleet, came out of the war better off and wealthier than they were at the start of the war? No, everything that these men had worked hard for was in shambles. So why did they do it when they knew they were going to be worse off if they won or God forbid lost? They did it for future generations, their children and grandchildren. Many of these brave men who put everything on the line for their future generations eventually recovered financially, but in most cases it was nearly a generation before most Americans began to prosper under a new Government ruled by a Constitution.

We no longer have men who get involved in politics who are the best and brightest, we have those who enter politics now to line their pockets with the money of the hard working people of this country, and pass the rest of it on to those American's who have their hand out wanting something for nothing, in order to buy votes to stay in power. I tend to agree with Jim, "I am worried. I've said it before and still believe this country's goin' t' hell in a handbasket."

The only thing that I can say to each and every one of you, is to ask yourselves, are my children and grandchildren going to have it as good or better than I am. If you can in your heart of hearts answer with a truthful yes, then continue to do nothing. If the answer is a flat no, then you need to do some soul searching and figure out what you need to do to change that. It is time to stop thinking about those of us who are alive now and worry about those future generations of Americans. Are we going to leave them a great nation or a 3rd world country? The choice is yours.

Best wishes from the Boer Ranch,

Joe

Nazgul
10-19-2008, 03:28 PM
I'm still not worried. America survived the depression, 2 world wars, even 8 years of Clinton as president. Say what you want, the majority of us will go to work every day, raise our kids and grand kids , in general do what is right.

There are some tough times financially, my 401k is not pretty, but we are still light years ahead of the rest of the world. Look, in a large percentage of the world, we could wake up tomorrow with Obama as our president for life and no choice.

I refuse to see this election as the end of the USA. Even if my 401k ends up worthless, it is a personal disaster, not a nation ending crisis.

JudgeBAC
10-19-2008, 03:33 PM
The election of OBAMA could be a nation ending crisis if we move from a republic to the socialist republic of North America. After all socialism is just one step removed from a communist government.

Who would have thought we would see government owning an interest in banks and a republican candidate talking about buying up worthless mortgages. If we continue down this path we will indeed see this Nation end as a free and democratic republic. Our founding fathers are surely rolling over in their graves.

Ghugly
10-19-2008, 04:08 PM
The old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times," comes to mind. We may well be looking at a national Democratic landslide, with near complete control of both houses of congress. Interesting times, indeed.

Scrounger
10-19-2008, 04:37 PM
IF Obama gets elected, he owes the most thanks to good old George W Bush, he poisoned the well. I'm going to hate the outcome of this election no matter who wins; The only consolation is that George will get the credit he so richly deserves for being America's worst President ever.

Nazgul
10-19-2008, 05:38 PM
Worse than Clinton?

Or Carter?

leadeye
10-19-2008, 06:03 PM
This evening I will have my Jameson straight over ice, but I take comfort that he only one man and will not be in office forever. I think we will see high taxes on anything firearms related as a way to pay off his political debts and provide tax revenue which he will want, but I think his main focus will be first to move as much money and power to Chicago as he possibly can. Massa Richard will demand that this be his first priority.

Scrounger
10-19-2008, 06:13 PM
Worse than Clinton?

Or Carter?

Yes. At worst they were fools or buffoons, not evil, greedy men who put their own financial gain so flagrantly above that of their country. My opinion, and that's ALL any of us here have, no matter how strongly held.

Larry Gibson
10-19-2008, 06:40 PM
Unfortuneately many do not understand that there must be a higher belief than family or personal benifit. Many believe in God but God has not spited our enemies for centuries. It has been left up to us. Too many of our citizens do not put country (or in our case the Constitution) before anything else. They somehow do not understand that without upholding our Republic and our Constitution that protects individual rights vs a "democracy" we will become serfs and our families and children essentually will become slaves as in centuries past. Our society appears ready to vote for what they percieve as "instant gratification" to which most have become ingrained to do. That is unfortunate. Without our Republic and Constitution they will quickly see that family, religion, position and money have no real meaning. I do not see what the imediate future holds but I fear it holds no good.

I am a dinosaur, I am extinct and have just not died yet. I am not leaving behind that which I inherited. That is what I fear.

Larry Gibson

Boerrancher
10-20-2008, 08:34 AM
Thank you Larry for truly getting it. It is not about this election, or the last 8 years. It is about the last 80 years, and how we arrived at where we are today.

Best wishes from the Boer Ranch,

Joe

45 2.1
10-20-2008, 12:41 PM
2 Thessalonians 2:9,10,11,12

rufracer
10-20-2008, 02:20 PM
wow, the economy is bad so it must be Ws fault. I wish people still thought for themselves in this country. Hello!! Remember when the war started and our troops didnt have enough armor and such. Why was that. Hmm, couldnt be because Clinton cut millitary spending by around 40%. I wonder if it cost any money to make up for that. This is one of dozen examples I have of how its not Ws fault we are in this mess. Clinton set most of this into motion, and Bush has had to clean it up. Since Bush was in office, we have been attacked by terrorists, and had huge natural disasters almost every year. Not to mention the liberals in congress. I would say that he was delt a bad hand. Is he perfect? No. Is he evil, No. I really could keep going all day, but It wont change anyones mind. This info has been out there the entire time. Just nobody wants to take the time to think about it any more. If you see good results in a 4 or even 8 year term, they are usually BS that wont last, and will most likely cost in the long run. I encourage everyone to look back 10 years or so and it will sudenly become clear what is going on now. America I a big machine, and it takes time to get her turned.

Ok so I didnt read Larrys post before I posted.

Old Ironsights
10-20-2008, 03:23 PM
Thank you Larry for truly getting it. It is not about this election, or the last 8 years. It is about the last 80 years, and how we arrived at where we are today.

Here it is in a nutshell.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32cxf_yuri-bezmenov%5dYuri

Despite the "fall" of the old Soviet system, good 'ol Nikky knew exactly what he was talking about when he was banging his shoe...

Bret4207
10-20-2008, 06:47 PM
I realize I'm a fool for reading history and trying to learn from it, but I think there will be a host of "worst Presidents ever" by the time we get done. Throw Bush in with Carter, FDR, Wilson, Hoover, LBJ...... None of them are very good in one light or another. It's all in your perspective.

Someone said he wasn't worried, that folks would keep getting up and going to work. Da Comrade, just as the Messiah demands. Wake up friend. This one is VERY important!

longhorn
10-20-2008, 08:45 PM
I'm with Scrounger--history will lend us all perspective, but George W. will go down on the short list with Ulysses S. Grant and Woodrow Wilson. Abject failures. Don't get me wrong--I voted for the man twice for governor and twice for president, and I don't think he's evil or stupid. He certainly relied on the wrong advisors, though.

Heavy lead
10-20-2008, 08:58 PM
History is just that, it will be written later, with hindsight, but I for one did vote for him twice and supported him over McCain in 2000. I'm darn glad he was in the oval office instead of Gore in 2001. And he did do good things for the second ammendment too. IMO we've done good in the middle east. He took the war they brought here and put it over there, far away from us. There are a lot of things we don't know, and Jack was right for the most part "You can't handle the truth".
Another Thank You to our guys over there, and the good you have done and are doing.

ndhole
10-21-2008, 07:18 AM
Our politicians changed to the far left/right who work for special interests a long time ago. Every one of them speak of change and fixing what's wrong but that's hard to do when they're the problem. Our Constitutional ammendments and rights have been modified, "interpreted" and eroded away to suit their needs and objectives not ours. I liken our current state of government to a sinking ship full of holes. You can patch it all you want but your just delaying the enevitable whereas if you let it sink and the rats drown you can build anew. It wouldn't be a perfect system but if we went back to the basics of serving the needs of our Country and it's citizens first and actually made people become more self reliant and think for themselves again it would be a good start. Hopefully by doing so you could also restore some of the morality and common sense that has went by the wayside. That's just my two cents worth.

GabbyM
10-21-2008, 10:26 AM
I think Joe Biden must have come to know BO a bit better. Then decided to sabotage the candidacy. With his statement yesterday of our enemies testing BO's metal.

Maybe Joe finally figured out which side BO is on.

GabbyM
10-21-2008, 10:29 AM
I wouldn't want to start a conspiracy theory. [smilie=1:

Don't suppose Bill Clinton put Joe up to making that statement?

Old Ironsights
10-21-2008, 10:36 AM
I think Joe Biden must have come to know BO a bit better. Then decided to sabotage the candidacy. With his statement yesterday of our enemies testing BO's metal.

Maybe Joe finally figured out which side BO is on.
My little "Biden & Hillary" theory doesn't seem so far fetched now, does it? (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showpost.php?p=414509&postcount=24) [smilie=1:

exblaster
10-21-2008, 11:25 AM
545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese –
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices – 545 human beings out of the 300 million – are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would h ave the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ,it's because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like "the economy," "inflation," or "politics" that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses –
provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.
What you do with this article now that you have read it is up to you, though you appear to have several choices.
1. You can send this to everyone in your address book, and hope "they" do something about it.
2. You can agree to "vote against" everyone that is currently in office, knowing that the process will take several years.
3. You can decide to "run for office" yourself and agree to do the job properly.
4. Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or re-elect the current bunch.
YOU DECIDE
I did not think this up but I sure like the thought.

Exblaster

Old Ironsights
10-21-2008, 11:50 AM
Like I said before... it almost doesn't matter who the Coach is when the Team sucks.

Fire the Team.

Jim
10-21-2008, 05:26 PM
I was on the way home from work today when something dawned on me. Is it POSSIBLE that BO is a plant? And I don't mean the kind with roots!

Old Ironsights
10-21-2008, 05:40 PM
I was on the way home from work today when something dawned on me. Is it POSSIBLE that BO is a plant? And I don't mean the kind with roots!
Everyone in the Chicago Area KNOWS heis a "plant".

His sole purpose is to be in office long enough to install Outfit wiseguys/Aldermen into high office in DC so that when Emperor Daley's Heir is rehabilitated/old enough he will have the muscle in DC to get him installed.

Chicago is making a move on the East Coast/Nation... somthing Capone was never able to accomplish.

Why the Guys in NYC/Jersey don't get this is utterly beyond me. :-?

leadeye
10-21-2008, 05:45 PM
Everyone in the Chicago Area KNOWS heis a "plant".

His sole purpose is to be in office long enough to install Outfit wiseguys/Aldermen into high office in DC so that when Emperor Daley's Heir is rehabilitated/old enough he will have the muscle in DC to get him installed.

Chicago is making a move on the East Coast/Nation... somthing Capone was never able to accomplish.

Why the Guys in NYC/Jersey don't get this is utterly beyond me. :-?

The democratic primary was the classic struggle for power between Chicago and New York as the party power center. Regardless of the election Chicago is in control for the present. Maybe someday it will move to San Francisco.

Old Ironsights
10-21-2008, 05:58 PM
The democratic primary was the classic struggle for power between Chicago and New York as the party power center. Regardless of the election Chicago is in control for the present. Maybe someday it will move to San Francisco.

Shoot me now.

I'm not talking Party(s). I'm talking real power. The Syndicates don't care about "Party" only bottom line. BO is only good for stink. The Outfit moving in on Family territory is NOT good for the bottom line...

BorderBrewer
10-21-2008, 06:37 PM
Here's something to remember and to ponder what happened. We are letting them steal our country from right under our noses.


"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness" - Declaration of Independence July 4, 1776

BorderBrewer

exile
10-22-2008, 05:05 AM
This crisis has been coming for 40 years, and there are no quick fixes. One thing I do believe is that it is not Bush's fault, but it seems that if the mainstream media says it long enough and loud enough people believe it. People talk about Bush lining his pockets, which may be true, I don't know. I have heard it said that Bush's uncle is making a pile in China. I do not feel that anyone should be allowed to do business with China or any other communist country, but I guess the days of putting country before economics is gone for good. I have also heard that Bill Clinton has two apartments in Dubai. My hope is that McCain will do what is right, if only not to disgrace the memory of his grandfather and father, both fine naval officers from what I have read. To quote Rip Torn in that movie with Nick Nolte (where he is a Texas Ranger)

"The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester"

Having said that, it seems that Nebraska has some better than average politicians. Tom Osborne, Mike Johanns, and Dave Heineman come to mind. Wish we had more like them. Being a transplanted Kansas, I still cannot get used to Nebraska completely, but I do like their elected officials better than the ones in Kansas.

Exile

Jim
10-22-2008, 05:44 AM
SPEAKING OF DOING BUSINESS WITH COMMUNIST COUNTRIES, Would someone care to explain to me why we trade with China, a nuclear threat, yet we can't buy cigars and rum from Cuba?

I admit I'm not a worldly man, but this just don't make sense to me.

Scrounger
10-22-2008, 08:42 AM
Simple. We're not afraid of Cuba attacking us. "Doing Business" is another way of "sucking up". If we don't do business with them they may get angry at us. If we trade with them, we become more valuable as a business partner, too valuable to alienate by fighting with. At least that's the theory...

AzShooter
10-22-2008, 01:53 PM
Isn't it great to live in the best country in the world? America will last even under whomever becomes our next President but it's sure going to be interesting.

I don't want to see Obama and I don't trust McCain. At least in 4 years we will have an opportunity to correct whatever mistake is made. I just hope someone will run that will actually do something.

Blackwater
10-22-2008, 04:45 PM
Boerancher and Larry Gibson, just wanted you two to know how touching it is to hear words like that. Thanks.

TexRebel
10-22-2008, 07:20 PM
"Politicians are like diapers, and need to be changed for the same reasons" (some movie)
I have been saying the same things you have all wrote here for years, I wish I had been wrong. But this is one Man that will not go quietly in to the darkness.
and to Quote another, I would rather die on my feet , than live on my knees.

Government is not the answer, it is the problem. (R. Regan)

Bret4207
10-24-2008, 08:45 AM
I don't have a crystal ball and don't know whats going to happen. I do in the past few days something has changed. The polls have been found to be inaccurate in many areas. The "on the ground" folks keep telling parties the polls are wrong. It's a neck and neck race at this point. I don't know what happened, but Obamas lead is long gone. (This of course makes me question why when a Repub has a 3-5% lead it's "within the margin of error" but when a Dem has the same lead it's always termed as "significant"?) So all is not lost-yet.

McCain is far from my first choice. Obama is near my last choice. Between taxes, SCOTUS appointments, defense, economic issues, basic rights issues, energy issues, etc. I'm at a loss to see how anyone can pick the greater of the two evils we have to choose from. Obamas supporters say they'll riot if he loses or wins. Oh boy. What good news. I see no good coming out of this, just more strife for us all.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Great God of Finance Allan Greenspan has thrown himself on the sword and admitted he had no clue the economy would tank. The former Sec Treas and SEC head are ducking covering like welter weight champs. The word "PRISON" was mentioned by Congressional investigators! About time. Of course the Congressman was talking about people other than the Congresscritters that allowed this debacle to happen, and PROFITTED from it. Odd, eh? You think Chris Dodd and Barney Frank would admit their error and gracefully resign, being men of character and humility.......... Oooops, my bad. Forgot I was talking about politicians.

At this point I can only shake my head in wonder. Blame it on Bush, blame it on Clinton, blame it on SOMEBODY, but not the guilty parties. Thats a sure thing since the guilty parties are the ones running the investigation and the media makes no mention of that. It makes me wonder if maybe there is in fact a conspiracy. The players would be the main stream media and most of Congress. Those are the 2 parties controlling this show. Hey, why not? It's as valid as any other theory.

As for me, I have a roof to put on and firewood to gather. I'll vote and be sorry if Obama wins. More than sorry actually. PO'd. But I won't roll over and die if he does. If McCain wins my hopes for him arelittle better than my hopes for Obama. I won't wish him ill health, but should Sarah have to step in I''ll feel a great burden lifted from my shoulders and the world may be a bit brighter that day.

felix
10-24-2008, 10:04 AM
"At this point I can only shake my head in wonder. Blame it on Bush, blame it on Clinton, blame it on SOMEBODY, but not the guilty parties. Thats a sure thing since the guilty parties are the ones running the investigation and the media makes no mention of that. It makes me wonder if maybe there is in fact a conspiracy. The players would be the main stream media and most of Congress. Those are the 2 parties controlling this show. Hey, why not? It's as valid as any other theory." ... Bret

NO, not entirely valid, Bret, but what you said is on the correct path. Yes, conspiracy theory in a nutshell. You got the players in your statement on, let's say the fourth layer down the totem pole. Go up one level, you get the two big earthly players (ideals). Go up another level, you get a spiritual player with an earthly player. Go up another, you get the the only two spiritual players: God versus Lucifer, and we are the prize.


Put the following three together, and you will have the conspiracy:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32...ezmenov%5dYuri ;;;Level 3

http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/ ;;;Level 2

The entire book of Apocalypse/Revelation ;;;Level 1


... felix

PatMarlin
10-24-2008, 11:12 AM
Boerancher and Larry Gibson, just wanted you two to know how touching it is to hear words like that. Thanks.


Ditto.

God is in control ..:Fire:

PatMarlin
10-24-2008, 11:34 AM
As for me, I have a roof to put on and firewood to gather. I'll vote and be sorry if Obama wins. More than sorry actually. PO'd. But I won't roll over and die if he does. If McCain wins my hopes for him arelittle better than my hopes for Obama. I won't wish him ill health, but should Sarah have to step in I''ll feel a great burden lifted from my shoulders and the world may be a bit brighter that day.

My thoughts exactly as I finish my shop roof, and look at all the firewood I have to finish.

Somehow I feel good about controling my own roof, and producing my own heat. Could be much worse.

KCSO
10-24-2008, 12:11 PM
Just remember a Politician is a fellow who sees which way the crowd is running and then gets in front and hollers, follow ME. The deluded sheeple of this county comprise the majority of the population. The neither care about or want an armed society. They want to be sheltered in their deluded dreams and WHOEVER promises them what they want will get to lead them. Meanwhile the sheep dogs will be ostracised till they are again needed and they will again refresh the soil with their blood. If ANY politician told only the whole truth in his campaining he would probably be lynched. Too bad, because now it will take depression and civil unrest to set things straight again.

Bret4207
10-25-2008, 08:15 AM
Just remember a Politician is a fellow who sees which way the crowd is running and then gets in front and hollers, follow ME.

So what do you call the politicians I'm looking for, the ones who get in front of the crowd and say, "WHOA! First off, lets not panic. Second, you're headed the wrong way. If you'll calmly follow me I'll get you back on the right path. Would some of you help the infirm and keep and eye on the kids too? Thanks. Sir, would you slap that sniveling coward a couple times and bring him and his boyfriend back to their senses please? Thanks. Lets go gang."

1Shirt
10-25-2008, 09:44 AM
A truely interesting thread with lots of ideas, thoughts, etc.etc.etc. Unfortunately, most of us are on the same page of the book, but the binding is quite loose. As long as blame is the keynote, I look back at times past and rapid change as much as I do politicians and even the media. Mom and pop now for the most part work.
Fast foods, McDonalds, BurgerKing, Wendi's, Pizza Huts, and dozens of others not to mention the Taco Bells and the like most often replace the family at the kitchen table. The thought process follows the doctrines of Rather, Brokaw, Jennings, and the like, because of the repitition of the liberal media and liberalism and people listen and watch TV far to much daily. Along the way seems like we lost manners, politness, morality, and often common decency along with common sense. Oh yah, we also got fat from lack of exercise, physical labor, outdoor activity, and an over abundance of food. :coffeecom We let radicalism creep in which includes the 60's, drug, womans libbers, abortion on demand, and dozens of others (you fill in the gaps). I fall in with Larry Gibson, Exile, and Felix I guess idea wise probably because of age and life experiances. I can only hope and pray that the country that I grew up in and with is around for my grandaughter should she be lucky enough to reach advanced age. I make it a point to tell every politician that I talk to that "every time you make a new law, we loose a freedom".
1Shirt!

exile
10-25-2008, 12:52 PM
Felix is right.

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Ephesians 6:12 (NIV)

As far as the media goes, Satan is not called

"the ruler of the kingdom of the air"(Ephesians 2:2) for nothing.

O.K. now you can send in the guys in the white coats.

Exile

square butte
10-25-2008, 04:42 PM
Bret, I think the politicians you are looking for are called patriots and should not rightly be called politicians. Where are they? I think they are out here amongst us, and all of us types here are ready for them now , or very soon.