favorite bullet mold for 45-70

[newfie bullet]

i've been shooting my marlin 1895SS since 2000 with cast bullets, rcbs 405 GC and Accurate mold 460-350VG and the Accurate mold 460-430VG all gas check bullets designs. uses these at around 1600 FPS for moose and they shoot awesome behind either reloader 7 , imr 3031 or imr 4198
Got a 1895 cowboy that i would like to shoot lighter loads with about 13-14 grains of trailboss , out to say 300 yards, planing on putting a vernier sight on her for shooting steel dingers . was wondering what mold you guys would use , i wouldn't need the gas check design for those light loads . or would those molds i got with the gas checks shoot just as good as plain base bullets at the slower velocities.
with our winters here i don't shoot in the winter just mostly do my casting so i wouldn't be able to try my current mold bullet until spring but i got lots of time to get a new mold and cast some if there was a better mold to get. Suggestions?
Regards
Alan

[725]

I'd say the 400 grain type bullets would shoot just fine. Best thing is to just try 'em. Long distance shooter ues heavier bullets to buffer the effects of wind, etc. and the heavier ones carry momentum better. I'd go with your 405 GC and just see what you can do with it.

[stubshaft]

I have the RCBS 405 and it gives me the best accuracy in three of my 1895's. I also have a .458 Win. Mag. that I shoot it out of and the accuracy is less than stellar. I currently have 18 molds for 459 - 461 boolits and just bought another one because I can't stop playing around with boolits and loads. BUT, if I was told to just choose one mold for the 45/70 the RCBS would be it.

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Newfie,

The first cast bullet I loaded for hunting with my 45/70 was a Wide Flat Nose - large meplate - LBT (Lead Bullet Technology) of 355gr.

Not having the accuracy and consistency I desired, I began to research the situation for a better choice.

Two of the fine folk on this forum guided me towards a bit heavier choice, saying that with cast bullets, the 45/70 typically shot better with bullets of 400gr or more.

One of those people happened to be making high quality custom molds at that time and I bought a WFN mold to cast a 465gr bullet. His recommendation was to cast of a 50/50 alloy - clip on wheel weights/lead - quenching the bullets as they fell from the mold that allowing them to age for a minimum of 7 days before use.

These were a gas checked design, and he also recommended that the bullets be sized in a two stage process. First sizing in a lee "style" push through die of .461 dia. and doing so ASAP after casting. Then at some later point, lubing the bullets in a .462 die in the sizer/luber. The larger lubing die prevented disturbing the surface hardness of the aged bullet.

Well, that has worked well for me, the bullet taking three elk and a pile of deer. Velocity in use is 1650fps.

I like RCBS molds, except for the fact that I like minimum of 4 cavity molds. Tom at Accurate Molds can make you a HIGH quality mold in just about any size/shape you'd desire and do so with quick turn around.

Velocity plays a huge part in recoil, my 465gr WFN at 1650fps giving MUCH less recoil then the WFN 355gr. at 2300 - 2500fps.

So, my recommendation is go to Tom at Accurate Molds, order a bullet of at least 400gr. then keep the velocity no higher then the mid 1000/2000fps level and ENJOY!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[jednorris]

In most of the B.P.C.R. shoots I participate in, gas checks are not allowed. My best load was 405 gr. bullet using I.M.R. 3031.

[murf205]

236591236592Well Newfie, here is the best of both boolit types, in my opinion. Tom at Accurate Molds,(a sponsor here) made this for me and honestly, I have never needed another mold for 4 different 45/70's. It is a 4 cavity with 2 PB and 2 GC cavities. They are 461405D and 460405A and the plain base in powder coated form shoots just as well as the GC. I have driven them 1900 fps with no leading at all, but that is as much fun as I care to endure on a regular basis. 1400 to 1500fps is more comfy and 1300 is better still. They are cast with clip on wheel weight and sized to .460, so you don't need a boolit as hard as a diamond.

[Green Frog]

I use an old Lyman 457193 as my go-to bullet for the 45-70, both with BP and smokeless. There are others that may be better for specific applications, but this has proven time after time to be a superior all-around bullet for this cartridge. It is significant that this 405 gr bullet has been in more or less continuous production for well over 100 years... it works!

Froggie

[Winger Ed.]

The only complaint I have with the RCBS 405 is that I can shoot them a lot faster than I can make and load them.

[oconeedan]

I would try what you have first. Yes you can shoot gc bullets without a check. I use Lee 405 plain base, and it shoots well, if you want to try something different. Dan

[bob3663]

How would I get ahold of Tom at accurate molds? What does a 4 bullet mold cost? Thanks

Bob


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[Harter66]

I'll second the 458193 .

I have a 462-420 MP , 460-543 NOE , 458-340 Lee and a 458-250 Rapine . Of the 5 I've shot 4 from squirrel slayer to moose whacker and the Lyman was the most flexible with powder and power choices .

[Crusty Deary Ol'Coot]

Just check out Accurate Molds on line and look at his catalog for the many choices available.

Tom does not like to waste time with phone calls, but he has always been quick to answer my email!

I like to use RCBS handles on my Accurate Molds, and would be glad to share a few tips to improve the fit of the handles if you need them.

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[alfloyd]

I like the Lyman 457191 mold. It cast a lighter slug, around 290 g.
It is a plain base so no check are needed.
Also it uses a lot less lead, so my supply last longer.

Lafaun

[Lloyd Smale]

my hands down favorite
I have the RCBS 405 and it gives me the best accuracy in three of my 1895's. I also have a .458 Win. Mag. that I shoot it out of and the accuracy is less than stellar. I currently have 18 molds for 459 - 461 boolits and just bought another one because I can't stop playing around with boolits and loads. BUT, if I was told to just choose one mold for the 45/70 the RCBS would be it.

[robg]

Only used the lee 405 mold so far ,still more accurate than me .might get the 360 mold next.

[hockeynick39]

Here's my favorite:
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http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y338/hockeynick39/Winchester1886%20Final%20Load%20Data%20001_zpsjvbr jne8.jpg

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y338/hockeynick39/Winchester%201886%2050%20yd%20Target%20III%20001_z psxa8wwngu.jpg

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y338/hockeynick39/Winchester%201886%20089_zpszbszfye6.jpg

[Wally]

I am going against the grain, but find that the RCBS 325 Universal (45-325-FN-U) is an excellent bullet in my Marlin 1985 .45-70. I have tried most of the heavier bullets mentioned. None of them offered any better performance. I have found that in terms of accuracy it is just as good as the heavier bullets.

[lotech]

I've tried many moulds for .45-70 bullets; all I use now is the Lyman #457122 HP. Seems to be at least as accurate at 100 yards as any of the others, but, I think it would be deficient at long range in comparison with a heavier bullet.

[murf205]

[QUOTE=bob3663;4582849]How would I get ahold of Tom at accurate molds? What does a 4 bullet mold cost? Thanks

Bob
When you go to his page, select a boolit design and then configure a mold. It will ask you how many cavities and what diameter you want and which sprue plate you want. follow the instructions and it will take you through the entire process and you can see total cost and shipping, which is very reasonable. I use Lee 6 cavity handles on my molds and they fit fine, but I drill and tap them to keep the handles from loosening up over time. Good luck and welcome to the addiction. Lotsa knowledge here and great people too, always willing to help

[dh2]

I started loading with the RCBS 45-405 and did not the performance I was after it was to small for my marlin bore , So I got a NOE 460-405HP and size .460 to me it is the perfect swamp hunting deer' hog and bear round over a load of IMR4198.

[Chill Wills]

Not surprising, the great diversity of answers and solutions.
"ask ten people and get ten opinions"


The 45-70 is my all time most used cartridge and is maybe one of the most adaptable cast bullet round as to both bullet and powder.
Tho it is a little large, it is also my choice as a do all survival rifle here in the Rocky Mountains. Useful ammo can be made using almost any powder and lead you can find.

[Chill Wills]

Not surprising, the great diversity of answers and solutions.
"ask ten people and get ten opinions"


The 45-70 is my all time most used cartridge and is maybe one of the most adaptable cast bullet round as to both bullet and powder.
Tho it is a little large, it is also my choice as a do all survival rifle here in the Rocky Mountains. Useful ammo can be made using almost any powder and lead you can find.

[Wayne Smith]

I'll second the Lyman 457122 - it is my most used 45-70 mold even though it is a single cavity.

[44Blam]

I have a cool NOE mold. It is a 405 grain mold that has pins in it that allow you to make hollow point, cup point or flat nose boolits.

This is a few of 'em. These chrono right around 1800 fps.
236653

[Conditor22]

How would I get ahold of Tom at accurate molds? What does a 4 bullet mold cost? Thanks

Bob


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You could call Al at NOE molds 801-377-7289 he's always good at answering questions.

they also have a good selection of 45-70 molds

http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=42&osCsid=cee5r8gfg6ejrl2989doqj6c17

460-396-RF-AE2 http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=42_139

[W.R.Buchanan]

I don't know how you guys can shoot 40 .405's at 1600-1800 fps in a silhouette match. I'd be good for 2 or 3!

My goto load for my 1895 CB is the RCBS .45-300 FNGC which drops at about 325 from my mould. 33 gr of 5744 for about 1550 fps.

This yields a trajectory when sighted at dead on at 150 yards that is flat enough for no correction at 50 and 100 yards. to +6 MOA at 200 so there is only one sight correction for the entire match. I can shoot 40 of these in one sitting and not feel bad about it later.

This load is also sufficient for any game animal in the lower 48. I see no need to go bigger as the only result will be more recoil from an already light gun and mine weighs 8 lbs due to the added Graycoil Recoil Reducer I installed in the stock. My 1895 CB weighed less than my 1894 CB in .44 Magnum! 7 lbs 1 oz. vs 7 lbs 6 oz.

If it was 9 lbs like an 1886 I could see the heavier boolits for hunting, but not for target shooting it is pointless to beat yourself up shooting targets.

Always get a kick out of the guys who come here and want data to shoot 400 gr + boolits at 2000 fps. Kind of a waste when you're only going to shoot one, and that is usually the general consensus of replies to the question.

Randy

[M.A.D]

CBE 660 grain Bore rider..... I love it.........