Daughter threatened N Seattle, need CC gun advice.

[Conditor22]

The man she lived with for years (who’s been married 5 times before- that should have thrown up a red flag) threatened her several times. Police reports and a restraining order has been filed but they are only paper.
She asked me what gun to get and I said a 380. I read several places that that was a good CC gun.
She is strongly independent and won’t let me buy her one.
My questions are:
1) What is the best CC 380 for the money reliability/accuracy?
2) Names of good FFL in N Seattle
3) Best places to buy a gun in N Seattle that won’t take advantage of a woman
4) Would it be cheaper to buy online and have it shipped to an FFL or buy face to face?
5) A good CC instructor in N Seattle

She plans to carry in her purse

[DougGuy]

Don't saddle her with a 380. She should carry the largest caliber she can load and shoot accurately. There are many 9mm autos no bigger than a 380 and the 9mm is MUCH more effective at stopping a bad guy than the 380. If she can load and shoot a M&P Shield in 45 ACP, or a Kahr Arms CW45 that would be the best choice. These are not hard for a female to use, I bought a M&P Shield 45 ACP for a former gf who is 5'2" and not a body builder and she could handle it fairly well.

[Hickory]

In Washington state semi-auto firearms maybe illegal to possess.

[Kenstone]

The man she lived with for years (who’s been married 5 times before- that should have thrown up a red flag) threatened her several times. Police reports and a restraining order has been filed but they are only paper.
She asked me what gun to get and I said a 380. I read several places that that was a good CC gun.
She is strongly independent and won’t let me buy her one.
My questions are:
1) What is the best CC 380 for the money reliability/accuracy?
2) Names of good FFL in N Seattle
3) Best places to buy a gun in N Seattle that won’t take advantage of a woman
4) Would it be cheaper to buy online and have it shipped to an FFL or buy face to face?
5) A good CC instructor in N Seattle

She plans to carry in her purse
You might get more info on a local forum, join and ask your question here:
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/
:mrgreen:

[mold maker]

Find a Range with loaners and shoot before deciding. The largest she can safely handle is the ideal. There is only one reason to involve gunfire and the results are all important.

[jmort]

The .380s are smaller than the smallest 9mms
Light .380s can be snappy. Small 9mms can be snappy
Washington concealed weapon permits are processed in approximately 30 days
Long time to wait
ASAP apply for a permit.
Five day waiting period to purchase firearm so no time for dithering
Go to a range that lets you try a number of different firearms
Buy some pepper spray immediately
Get some firearms instruction
Buy appropriate gun ASAP
You can always buy another later as you learn and evolve
Purse carry will require a lot of practice to get quick presentation
Stay in Condition Yellow or Red until the loser finds someone else to destroy
Work on self-esteem issues to avoid losers
Move to Constitutional State - I know.....
If it was my daughter I would pay him a visit

[crankycalico]

if semi autos are a state no-no.

Then a rather heavy duty gun like a snub nosed K frame... 30 ounces of short barreled 38+p good ness.

[jmort]

10 round capacity limit

[725]

All the above is good advice. 380's are light, but better that .22's or .25's. Bigger is better but too big gets left in the purse or glove box after awhile. A good .380 is easy to have in your pocket like a set of keys or lighter. Ruger LCP is a dandy. It's what I carry most of the time and I'm a retired ghetto cop.
Pepper spray should be everywhere for her use. Nightstand, top of the refrigerator, glove box, purse, bathroom medicine cabinet, etc. If it's hard to find in her local, get some hornet spray, easy off oven cleaner, carb cleaner or the like. There are always ramifications when defending yourself and she should be prepared to be scrutinized by local law when she does.
Are there children in the picture? Whatever she does has to take their safety into consideration when setting these options in motion. Tell her not to be shy. If she fears something / anything, call the police. Even if it doesn't pan out as anything dangerous, she has generated a paper trail of attempting to seek police assistance. Should she have to take matters into her own hands, part of her history will include trying to get local PD's to address the threat. She should learn to live with a greater sense of situational awareness.

[jmort]

Stupid new law passed by voters for Semi-autos
60% voted for it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiB0rmck8jfAhVH7IMKHbeMDLAQzPwBegQIARAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.seattletimes.com%2Fseattle-news%2Fpolitics%2Fgun-regulations-initiative-1639-takes-lead-in-washington-state%2F&psig=AOvVaw15beObt9xhwmBh01nHTe1u&ust=1546279786507099

[Chainsaw.]

Lynnwood gun. A lovely woman owns it and she is a stand up lady. She’ll steer your daughter right and Ill bet give her good advise for training etc as well. I wish I could recallher name.

If she ever needs help, advise, some good pointers Im happy to help get her started on the basics if need be. Ill bring my Wife if it makes her more comfortable, plus shes former LEO.

[jmort]

Get the LCP II if you go in that direction. 10 ounces and Excellent trigger

[starbits]

read this thread (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?372916-Women-carrying-concealed)

lot of good advice on websites and pepper spray.

Starbits

[JBinMN]

I am not going to suggest any type of firearm. That will have to be a decision that she makes since she is the one who would possibly need to operate it in a stressful situation. Hopefully with a chance to shoot some handguns before making her choice.

{ I will say that although my missus has fired revolvers, pistols, shotguns & rifles and is comfortable with all of them, I bought her a revolver(LCR357) for her self defense purposes, because it is simple to operate, less likely to have any malfunction & will get the job done in a lot of cases, IMO. Not everyone will agree with me, but that is what we decided for "her". Plus it is no one elses **** business. ;).}

The Pepper sprays at hand & in more than one location is certainly a good idea. I have purchased them for some of the gals in my life before just so they can have at least some protection in areas that do not allow firearms. Heck, I even have one for that. ;)

I would like to mention IF you were not aware of it, that like many states, Washington state has a path for "Emergency" CC permits. You/She can go research more, but here is a link that tells of it:
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/concealed-weapons-permitting-in-washington/

Here is a part of that link:

The chief of police of the municipality or the sheriff of the county where an applicant resides may issue a temporary emergency license for good cause, pending review of an applicant’s background for a concealed pistol license.{Wash. Rev. Code Ann. § 9.41.070(10) } A temporary emergency license, however, does not exempt the holder from any records check requirements, and temporary emergency licenses are easily distinguishable from regular licenses.{Id. Additional application and background check requirements, as well as permit suspension, revocation, or other disqualification information, are detailed under Wash. Rev. Code Ann. §§ 9.41.070 and 9.41.075. }

I recommend that she goes and explains the situation to the local LEO authority that applies to where she lives, & gets the process for an Emergency started Immediately, like Tomorrow, Monday the 31,Dec.2018.

I might offer some other advice in the future...Some "reasonable" advice.

Some I could give are not allowed on this forum, so I will refrain from advocating anything that is not acceptable here. There "are" ways of handling this situation that might not be considered, "reasonable" ones by authorities. I guess you will have to make a decision on whether or not you want to consider those type of actions on your own.


She should have a CCP if she is able to take the responsibility of harming or killing an attacker who is/has been "close" to her at some point. Or one that has not, meaning a stranger. If she is not, then some consideration should be made about that. If one cannot bring themselves to use the firearm against an attacker, then I do not think it is advisable for them to carry. Hesitation to the point of where the attacker gets their hands on the weapon, either thru persuasion or force, will usually not end up all that well for the person who loses control of said weapon. I think you know what I mean. I hope that she has the mindset she will need should the situation to use a weapon should arise...

I wish ya both G'Luck! in this bad situation & hope that it turns out to be not a big deal after all.

[JBinMN]

I thought about it & some things that I don't know if you or she is aware of, but it involves "situational awareness".

Things like making sure that she parks her vehicle in places where she can see if anyone is under her vehicle or any around her. Sometimes that means parking a ways away from the entrance of a store in a parking lot where she can see the vehicle from a bit of a distance and maybe see if anyone is near, or under it then take appropriate precautions such as avoiding the vehicle for some time, having someone else escort her to it, or other such precautions. If she parks in a ramp, or even close to other vehicles, she should at least take the time to observe in anything suspicious might be seen. Examples are a van or other high profile/capacity type vehicle that could contain someone that could jump out or grab her & pull her inside. Or simply do her harm..
Another thing is to observe whether there are occupants in the vehicles next to or nearby that may not be as innocent as they appear.

The same goes for her when she is going home or into work, etc.

Looking inside the vehicle before she gets in, as well as making sure no one she does not know is near her when she is getting into the vehicle, locking all of the doors once inside, is also prudent.

Having another person she can trust with her when in public, preferable an able adult, is a good idea when she is able to arrange it. Keeping trusted adults aware of her plans & her whereabouts at all time is important as well . Letting folks know when she is supposed to be somewhere so that in case she is not there, they can do what they can to find her.

Paying close attention to strange vehicles or people near her home is another good idea. As well, as when she approaches her home, to be aware of any slight things that might indicate that there has been someone attempting to get inside when she is not there, or is there before she is.

Knowing what to do if one of these type of things causes her concern is important as well. Avoidance of the situation she observes is one, calling for help is another, etc.. But , knowing what to do after a possible threat is ID-ed is a BIG part of keeping oneself safe.

There are a lot of similar things that I could explain if they are not known, but I feel as though I would be perhaps, "preaching to the choir" if this "situational awareness" type of stuff is already been covered.

Personally I think that most folks do not do such things like I am suggesting simply since they are so comfortable in their lives & going about their business that they do not see a need, but when a need arises to be more wary of things due to the likely higher probability of a bad situation from one like she is going thru, then a heightened awareness is prudent & one needs to begin to implement behaviors that one might not be used to doing to keep oneself out of an even more difficult or dangerous situation.

One needs to think like what a human "predator" might do to get to its' human prey & what steps need be taken to avoid & deter the predators plans.

This type of thinking is not "paranoid", particularly in this sort of situation. It is simply being smart & concerned with self preservation.

Once again, I wish ya'll the best in overcoming this difficulty.

[Shawlerbrook]

Great advice here all around. As a father of a daughter, I think I would have to have a man to man talk with this fellow and explain to him his future if my daughter even gets a questionable flat tire. He probably is too messed up to heed the advice, but at least he may make me his first target rather than my daughter.

[WILCO]

Great advice here all around. As a father of a daughter, I think I would have to have a man to man talk with this fellow and explain to him his future if my daughter even gets a questionable flat tire. He probably is too messed up to heed the advice, but at least he may make me his first target rather than my daughter.

Boyfriends, lovers and bad husbands don't fear fathers.
If you get involved, make sure you're ready for prison.
Daughters that make bad decisions will continue to do so, even while you're in the clink.

[RU shooter]

Boyfriends, lovers and bad husbands don't fear fathers.
If you get involved, make sure you're ready for prison.
Daughters that make bad decisions will continue to do so, even while you're in the clink.
No they don't but I'd rather be in jail and have my daughter safe .
You do what you have to do to protect your kin especially your daughter

[bob208]

if she is not into guns much. I would reamend a pa 63. it is a Hungarian knock off of the Walther pp. in 9x18. has a little more oomph then the .380. got my wife one with extra mag and holster for $225 with transfer. with the al. frame it is lite to carry. total reliable and small enough for the hide out holsters made for women.

some times I carry it in the summer under a tee shirt.

[mozeppa]

taught my wife to shoot...got her a SP-101 ruger 38/357 petite enough and can pack enough to ruin a bad guys day.

p.s. she has shot plenty ...and i don't mean just bulls eye type targets. one hand , weak hand , from the hip at silhouettes ... 3 yards, 7 yards, 15 and 20.

side note ...she has put all 6 in a 8x10 sheet of paper at 20 yards with my s&w 44 mag. ...but she took time to aim.

all this from a woman who never held a gun til she was 58....she's 65 and now owns 20 hand guns.

[arlon]

My wife carries a little 5 shot Lady Smith in .38 spcl. She has it loaded with factory wadcutters, she can shoot it pretty well. She can't hold on to a light weight 9mm. The little revolver has a better grip for her and she can actually control it. Bash the revolver and wadcutters if you want but I wouldn't want to be anywhere close to her if she was mad. She can shoot it very well which is the key. She would carry a .22 before a 9mm. Oh, wait. she does. She often keeps a little NA "Bugout" in her purse.

[wv109323]

The right choice is a firearm she can handle and function. The best caliber is the largest she can be proficient with. Many females can not work the slide on many semi-autos. Renting guns at a range will make the choice easier plus improve her handling skills.
Along the .380 lines, I have selected the Ruger LCP 2. My wife can work the slide. The s&w bodyguard is another good choice. Both these can be had with a laser. Price is around 250 without laser,300 with laser.
She should familiarize herself with rules of engagement under state law.

[popper]

LCR357 hammerless double action version - good trigger even on first shot.

[Conditor22]

Lots of good information here

[Love Life]

Boyfriends, lovers and bad husbands don't fear fathers.
If you get involved, make sure you're ready for prison.
Daughters that make bad decisions will continue to do so, even while you're in the clink.

This reminds me of a funny situation from when I was a teenager. My buddy was dating a girl (she was really hot BTW), and the girls father decided to come lay down the laws of dating his daughter...in public... in front of our crowd. He reminded me of a peacock.

Anywho, he meant well with his tough talk ( the father), but when he mentioned that if my buddy did her wrong then my buddy may face physical harm, my buddy (15 years old) proceeded to wipe the floor with him in front of us and his daughter, lol. She dumped him after that. I learned an important lesson that day, that going around threatening people may lead you to catching a beating, or that you better be able to follow through.

Sure wish we had cell phone video cameras then.

[Wis Tom]

Someone like that, can never be trusted, or taken for granted. Do everything, within reason, for her protection. If she won't let you get guns, get her, at the least, a dual camera system, with stickers for each entrance, and get them up and running. Do everything, including checking on all laws, on what you can and can't do, for she safety. Pepper spray is also a must, for now, as anything , to slow him down.

[woodbutcher]

[smilie=s: If your daughter might try to rely on a chemical weapon,she might give plain old"Granny Parsons"ammonia a try.NOT diluted.A friend of my Moms used it and it was devastating on one B&E and one"Peeping Tom".Those two spent two days in the hospital before being taken to the county jail.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo

[Handloader109]

Get one of the kimber two shot pepper sprays. About $40 and will put him down long enough to get away.
Then get a 38/357 revolver. Can purse carry safely unlike most semi. (Especially glocks and walther) and most purse carry, even though I'd suggest on body for this situation. Can get away if possible and still have gun without worrying about purse.
I got my wife a taurus 605 and it works well. Use 38s if 357 are too strong. Better than 380. But let her pick. If on body a spectrum is small and concealable

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[Baltimoreed]

New locks, deadbolts and an alarm on all outside access doors would be a good idea too along with some self defence training. And record any threatening phone calls she gets. Had an idiot coworker threaten an ex and he lost his firearms for a month and it cost him lawyer money too.

[Houndog]

My Wife and Daughter carry Lady smith 38's loaded with +p Buffalo Bore ammo and they both can keep em all on a 6 inch pie plate at 15 yards all day long. I taught them to put one in the chest and one in the head. That's the drill we practice without fail. I like revolvers better for CC especially if you are working with a new shooter or someone that won't practice. There's no slide to rack or a mechanical safety to manipulate and in case of a dud round the next one up is only a trigger pull away.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Conditor22,
Welcome to the forum.

You don't mention what level of gun knowledge/experience your daughter has?
with that said,
I always suggest a revolver for newbies who want protection...simple to operate and less likely to have confusion about what's in the chamber. IMHO, self-defense loads in 38spl will get the job done.
it appears I am not alone in my thoughts about revolvers...

My wife carries a little 5 shot Lady Smith in .38 spcl. She has it loaded with factory wadcutters, she can shoot it pretty well. She can't hold on to a light weight 9mm. The little revolver has a better grip for her and she can actually control it. Bash the revolver and wadcutters if you want but I wouldn't want to be anywhere close to her if she was mad. She can shoot it very well which is the key. She would carry a .22 before a 9mm. Oh, wait. she does. She often keeps a little NA "Bugout" in her purse.


LCR357 hammerless double action version - good trigger even on first shot.


My Wife and Daughter carry Lady smith 38's loaded with +p Buffalo Bore ammo and they both can keep em all on a 6 inch pie plate at 15 yards all day long. I taught them to put one in the chest and one in the head. That's the drill we practice without fail. I like revolvers better for CC especially if you are working with a new shooter or someone that won't practice. There's no slide to rack or a mechanical safety to manipulate and in case of a dud round the next one up is only a trigger pull away.

[Houndog]

One thing I didn't put in my original post is that the Wife and Daughters Lady Smiths ARE NOT stubbies! They are 3" barreled guns. I think they are about as easy to carry and a whole lot easier to shoot!

[JimB..]

I’d already be on a plane to visit, model 10 in my suitcase might be left behind in case I need it on the next trip.

She can’t legally carry it outside, but she can carry it around the house and it’s a solid solution for the nightstand.

BTW, no idea what the laws are in WA, you and she should understand them even if they must be ignored.

[LUCKYDAWG13]

New locks, deadbolts and an alarm on all outside access doors would be a good idea too along with some self defence training. And record any threatening phone calls she gets. Had an idiot coworker threaten an ex and he lost his firearms for a month and it cost him lawyer money too.

This put new locks on all of the Doors tell her to keep her car keys handy too if she has a car alarm / panic button Nothing like a car alarm
with flashing lights to help police find her house at night best of luck and tell her not to let him in when she is alone

[Mr_Sheesh]

Semi Autos are still legal in WA, just that starting once that law takes effect, Semi-auto RIFLES will be a royal pain to buy/keep. (Older ones are grandfathered in though...)

If she's new to guns - definitely take her to a few stores or friends' and let her handle various Revolvers and Semi-Autos; Some people are wired to like one over the other. (I like Semi Autos slightly more, but can use any of them.)

I've seen women given good schooling, get GOOD with their handgun; We're talking "Which button do you want to take off the guy's shirt?" good.

I'd definitely suggest finding a good school to teach her the self-defense laws and help her learn shooting - You do NOT want her to end up in a "bad shoot" and then in prison, just because some (supposed) male decided to be a jerk; If she follows the laws, she's covered, so she needs to KNOW them.

I'm on the East Side, could let her look through what little I have for idea of what feels right to her, if that will help. (Renting many pistols at some gun shops is costly, some other ones it's one fee for renting any and all they have, one at a time.)

You'll want ammo she can be accurate with - There are tricks to catching why she's not accurate, if she is flinching, closing one (or both) eyes, doing "Pre-Ignition Syndrome" shoving the gun down/away from her, or "Cowboying" it upwards. Usually involving a dummy round in the magazine or cylinder, you see what the gun does when that comes under the hammer.

And she should PRACTICE, and dry fire drill a LOT for proficiency.

A good weapons light (doesn't have to be attached, you can hold it in the other hand) is a good thing for domestic violence situations, also.

[Papercidal]

There is a website run by a Seattle area based lady called the cornered cat that focuses on women's carry issues I believe she may also do classes.

If she is wanting to get a carry permit have her apply for it tomorrow as there is no training required but it does take 30 days to get (she can get training and buy a pistol in the meantime) as for a pistol most .380s are straight blowback designs so they tend to recoil as much or more than a 9mm in the same size pistol ( she can also shoot close to twice as much 9mm for the same ammo cost as .380)

[crankycalico]

People need to stop suggesting chemical devices unless the device in question is standard police issue. Police products are stronger then civilian, and still don't get the job done if a criminal is on chemical enhancements.

Guns are called equalizers for a reason.

[country gent]

I'm in the rent or borrow several different handguns in different calibers and styles. Let this start the process of deciding what's needed. The smaller guns have heavier snappier recoil than a larger heavier firearm does. You also have to take into account her views on this. If she dosnt feel this way then what ever you get her will be in a drawer or closet some where. SPrays and other chemical defense can be effective as can lights and sound.

I will say a well placed 22 or several of them can be very effective.

The first thing to do is harden the house, Add 2 dead bolts to the entry doors one above and one below the normal latch. Remove center screws from hinges and replace with a allen cap head screw drill mating side out for the head to fit in. These 2 mods greatly increase the doors ability to be busted in and slows down picking the locks open. add a lock and pins to bedroom doors to create a "safe" room for her. A peep hole viewer in entry doors or a camera system so she can see whos at the door. Create as many barriers as possible between the entry doors and the safe room. A bell on the doors ( similar to what stores used to have) to notify of entry. In the bed room "safe " room some snacks and drinks. a phone that cant be disabled. Cell phone. Even an unactuated phone will make calls to 911. Last is the pepper sprays / firearms.

The big thing is to make entry as hard as possible and access as tough as possible so she can hopefully just wait it out until police arrive to deal with it. In this way she comes off looking good in court. If he defeats the obstacles and gets into the safe room defeating the locked doors and she is made to use force it will look much better. Another thing to consider is He knows here she lives now. Would it be possible for her to move? Even just into another apartment in the same building. Makes Her a much harder target.

[tinhorn97062]

Hammerless .38 revolver. You can shove it in a bad guy’s belly and pull the trigger 5x without jamming, fire from a purse or coat pocket without jamming, easy to conceal, easy to handle...

[Mr_Sheesh]

Well, N Seattle is in western Washington State, which isn't QUITE Kalifornia, completely, yet. If you are charged and tried in a self defense situation and are found not guilty, the state pays for your legal expenses. RCW 9A.16.110 - https://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9A.16.110 - is that part of the law. You need to know the whole of the law though, to NOT do a bad shoot. And let's hope that it never comes to that!

I've also wondered about a cattle prod / Taser / etc. type weapon, the problem being that if someone has a knife and is fast, you don't really have any superiority of force there, not enough to intimidate them anyways; I don't know enough about the OP's Daughters' situation to say much here. I do know that Tasers (a) don't always work, and (b) sometimes kill the assailant, apparently.

Also - At night, there's a LOT to be said for having a 12 gauge and, should this jerk break in, instead of trying to clear her house alone, she could "Fort Up" behind the bed, lined up on the bedroom door with the 12 gauge, and see if he happens to try kicking the (LOCKED WITH MULTIPLE DEADBOLTS!) bedroom door down. (She WILL, if she's doing this, want to call 911, let them know where she is, -->>> AND have them tell the officers where she is, what she looks like, and what she should do once they arrive, so she doesn't get shot for pointing a gun at the officers. <<<-- If the dispatcher doesn't pass that information on to the responding officers, it can be BAD, so you want to make sure you specifically ask them to do that, and check again to ask them that they've done it. Could give the incoming officers a password or whatever, they can sit around a corner and call that out to you, OR, the dispatcher could tell her when they are ready for her to disarm and come out to them - Then she can set the weapons down and come out unarmed, so there's no reason for them to shoot her. Don't want her to become a statistic! No matter what, stay on the phone with the dispatcher, and know that it's recorded, so talk accordingly.

[tankgunner59]

My wife has a Charter Arms Lavender Lady 38 Special. It is a light frame 5 round revolver that's easy to control. She also has a Ruger LCP, and she likes the 38 Special much better. Here it is:
https://charterfirearms.com/products/53840-lavender-lady

As for the purse question, my advice is to get a purse designed for concealed carry. My wife has one from Graf and Sons. Don't recall the price but you can check their web site. https://www.grafs.com/

[Boomsticks Firearms]

You should take her to a couple of gun shops that have a gun range and have her try some guns out to see what she likes and feels comfortable shooting. I have 4 kids 3 of them are 15 years old triplets yes that’s right 15 years old triplets and one thing I have done is we go in the back 50 and we do some shooting. 38 spl is a great round which can be shoot out of a 357 mag and can be small enough for concealed carry. She can practice with 38 spl and 357 for CC if she actually had to use it she would not even notice the extra recoil. My friends wife carries a Smith & Wesson in 357 mag and she not a very big lady and I wouldn’t want her shooting at me and she does shoot bigger guns like 45 colt and 44 mag.

[am44mag]

Honestly, I'd have her go up to a 9mm. The Springfield XDs is a great little 9mm. I don't think even a new shooter would have much trouble getting proficient with it.

The Ruger SP101 is also a good gun, though the trigger takes some getting use to. If she goes that route, might as well get the 357 mag version even if she won't ever shoot anything other than 38 special out of it. That way, the option is there.

Best option would be to move away from that liberal cesspool and her abusive ex.

[Firebird]

Gun show this weekend and I was able to handle one of the new S&W "EZ" 380's. A size larger than typical CCW and the slide really is very easy to manipulate, I didn't get to shoot one but I would think the recoil would be pretty mild. Even as a brand new model the price was just under $400, I would think that price would fall a little by the end of the year.

[country gent]

A sold door can be made very secure by adding 4 dead bolts to it 2 on each side about 18" to 24" apart. this creates a safe door locking system that negates hinges and thrie loght screws from the door. The four heavy opposing bolts will also make "Jacking" the door open much harder.

[oneofsix]

Boyfriends, lovers and bad husbands don't fear fathers.
If you get involved, make sure you're ready for prison.
Daughters that make bad decisions will continue to do so, even while you're in the clink.
Sometimes they listen, if you carefully explain the collateral damage that may ensue should he decide to hurt himself after hurting your daughter.
But he must believe you're willing to carry out such things.

[snowwolfe]

Snubbie hammerless S&W. Reload practice rounds as low powered as possible till she gets used to it. Then carry it with 38+P ammo.
A revolver is the ultimate in reliability.

[Cast_outlaw]

If no one has suggested this
https://youtu.be/h8r6CY5UZyw
Also I held a Browning’s 1911 black label recently it’s slim reasonably compact with a wonderful trigger and comes in 380
This also comes to mind
https://youtu.be/c_GJlFEXOcw

[Conditor22]

Thank you for all your replies.

Yes, she has shot before, she is around 40 and very strong for her size.

I have bought her a taser and I'm making arrangements for her to go to a range that has "all you can eat" rental handguns.

I concur it doesn't matter how good the gun is if she doesn't like it or know how to use it. Unfortunately, I no longer travel well but I will make arrangements for her to get the training she needs. When she was still at home, I was very busy and she had no interest in guns.

Let this be a lesson for you with kids still at home!!!!

[DougGuy]

Thank you for all your replies.

Yes, she has shot before, she is around 40 and very strong for her size.

Good! She has a major obstacle behind her then already. She could likely use and control a 45 ACP carry gun. I would suggest a Kahr Arms 45, buttery smooth triggers and zero stored energy in the striker, they are 100% DA pull each shot, striker block safety is automatic, these are great carry guns, very safe to carry with one in the chamber, I've had a CW45 for years it goes everywhere I go.

BUT.... Here is the real reason I recommend the Kahr or another concealable 45, even in a 3.5" barrel, a full weight 230gr Speer Gold Dot hollowpoint penetrates a solid 9" into our red North Carolina clay. This, is proof enough for me what it would do in a defensive situation, and hopefully only one shot will ever be needed, *IF* it comes down to it.

You will not get this level of performance out of ANY 380, regardless of what loads are used. If I only had one chance, one shot, my money will be on whatever will deliver the boolit shown below, this boolit has a VERY high likelihood of a one-shot stop.

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/DougGuy/Kahr%20CW45/SpeerGoldDotSoilTest7-4-2015_zpsyf4bj0w4.jpg (http://s1202.photobucket.com/user/DougGuy/media/Kahr%20CW45/SpeerGoldDotSoilTest7-4-2015_zpsyf4bj0w4.jpg.html)

[trapper9260]

Have her get some Raid bug spray that will go about 20' .It is know that it will stop someone better then pepper spray. So if the person is at about 20' she can spay them in the face and eyes.Just a idea.

[Cast_outlaw]

Good watch and informative on caliber selection

https://youtu.be/nycYxb-zNwc

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

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