Nagant revolver

[lion]

Hello,

Does anyone know if you can fire 110gr. M1 bullets out of a nagant revolver and what the reloaddata is for titegroup (powder) for these bullets?

[am44mag]

I can't help you on the powder load, but you can probably get away with using the 110gr bullets. They might be a little loose in your barrel depending on how tight the tolerances on your gun are. My Soviet made Nagant has a groove diameter of 0.314", so a 0.308" bullet is probably not going to have the best accuracy. Yours might not have this problem.

Here's a thread on another forum that talks about using 110gr bullets. He got decent accuracy with those bullets, but was having issues with his powder choice. Maybe titegroup will work better?

https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/reloading-for-the-1895-nagant-7-62x38r-revolver.137009/

[Mr_Sheesh]

I'd wonder if Paper Patching would help? Bit of a jump between the cartridge and the rifling though, so probably iffy... 6 mils to patch though.

[jimb16]

I reloaded the Nagant cartridges using a carbine crimp die to close up the case mouth enough to work with the mouth going into the rear of the barrel. I got fair accuracy with the carbine bullets. Paper patching should work ok if you reload Nagant cases. Would have almost no jump from the cast to the rifling.

[WRideout]

It would help to know if you are shooting real Nagant cases, or if your revolver is modified to take a shorter 32 case. I have had fun with my Nagant pistol in original dress. I started out loading with the 30 carbine dies and used what I had which was the .30 Hornady half-jacket 1oo gr. I used 5.5 gr Unique and a WW SP primer for that load. After I acquired the Lee 30 cal 100 gr mold, I used those boolits, but had trouble with the boolits sliding forward during recoil, since there is no crimp, and the lube I was using was fairly slippery. When I switched to Lee Liquid Alox, and later Ben's liquid lube, that problem was eliminated due to the stickiness of the lube. I wasn't finding any book load data, so I extrapolated from the data for 32-20; started low and worked up. I have used a case full of 4f black powder, which worked fine but requires a lot of cleaning. I would try to use the original full-length cases, if I were you, but if it's been modified for an alternative case you might not have a choice.

If anyone has load data for the bullet and cartridge you asked about, it is most likely empirically derived, and you could just about work up a load yourself if you are sufficiently experienced. If you are new to reloading, you might ask for a mentor from this forum to talk you through it over the phone. Just an idea.

Wayne

PS: I see that you are in Belgium. If you have access to standard 7.62x38R brass, that will make things a little easier. Also, you may want to correspond by email instead of phone.

[lion]

Hey,i use .223 cases reformed in a M1 die

[vagrantviking]

I slugged mine and now generally use cast bullets meant for 32-20 or 32 pistols at .312". Using actual PPU Nagant brass and 32 S&W dies. Lee Nagant dies weren't to useful except the seating die.

That said I had decent results with jacketed bullets measuring .308".

[44Blam]

What a weird little gun:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIePW1wYZds

Looks fun, though. :D

[LWSTARKS]

What dies are people using? I have Lee ones and I tried using different kinds of brass and had so many problems. Problems ranged from the shell holder to crimp.

[Mr_Sheesh]

I sorta want one, but sorta don't LOL

Been told it can shoot the .32 S&W cartridges, and .32 H&R Magnum rounds.

I've seen where folks were using the RCBS 3-die set (It may be discontinued now?) RCBS #: 56272 UPC #: 076683562722
Or just buy a CH4D Die set: https://www.buffaloarms.com/7-62-nagant-die-set-4d-4d7-62nagant

http://armedbutnotdangerous.blogspot.com/2015/02/adventures-in-reloading-762x38mmr-nagant.html talks of reloading as does https://www.shootersforum.com/handgun-cartridges/1327-handload-7-62-nagant-model-1895-a.html among many others...

[Duckdog]

I use the Lee dies and load the starline 32/20 brass. I used to seat the bullet deep in the brass, but then decided to seat it long enough to just clear the when the cylinder rotates into position. I load 4 grains of Unique over the Lee 314 TL bullet. Pretty much a 32/20 load. I have 9 of these and they all digest that load very good.

The only advantage with this die set is a bit longer brass life, as once the shoulder is bumped out of the 32/20 brass, it gets worked a bit less when resizing each time.

[lion]

do you think Unique is comparable with Titegroup????

[Mr_Sheesh]

Titegroup is almost as fast as Bullseye; Unique is a noticeably slower powder. They will both work well in the right loadings, I sure wouldn't try to say that you could use the same loading data for each, though.

[WRideout]

I have been using the RCBS 30 Carbine dies, which are fine with the full-size cases. As I understand it, the Lee dies are meant for the shorter 32-20 cases, and don't do the gas seal. The taper crimp die for the carbine set is fine for reducing the case mouth to fit in the forcing cone (or whatever it's called.)

For the past few days I have been working on modifying a single .223 case to Nagant. It is slow and tedious. In a few months work, I could make a box of shells. It would help a lot if I had a lathe.

My standard load using Starline 7.62X38R brass is the 100 gr Lee 30 caliber, sized .311 and lubed with liquid alox. 5.3 grains of Unique, and Win Small Pistol primers. In the past I had trouble with lube that was too slippery, and the boolits would back out during recoil; the alox cured that.

Wayne

[lion]

indeed a lathe would be useful,i use a smal file,but it takes a lot of time

[Duckdog]

The little bit gained by the gas seal is very, very minor. You can get 500 Starline 32/20 brass for a hundred bucks and some change. Not bad considering how long that'll last. They also ship for free.

[S.B.]

I slugged mine and now generally use cast bullets meant for 32-20 or 32 pistols at .312". Using actual PPU Nagant brass and 32 S&W dies. Lee Nagant dies weren't to useful except the seating die.

That said I had decent results with jacketed bullets measuring .308".
Have you had any trouble with your cylinder binding up with cast bullets?
Steve

[vagrantviking]

Have you had any trouble with your cylinder binding up with cast bullets?
Steve

Not at all and have gone hundreds of rounds between cleaning.
Where are you thinking there would be a problem? I'm using full length brass so there is no gap at the point where the cylinder butts up to the forcing cone.
I looked at using 32-20 brass but the thicker rims bound up the works.

[Brett Ross]

I use Trail boss 2.7 gr, Nagant brass, lee tumble lubed .32 cal boolit, Bens liquid lube and a combo of lee's dies plus 30 carb dies. I like the way trailboss fill's the cases.

[lion]

does anyone knows the powder LOVEX?

[Jniedbalski]

I used the lee die set and it worked great for me. Ism using ppu factory brass to reload and lee’s .314 diameter 90 gr swc. You have to look at your ppu brass there is two different kind. One has a grove right above the rim they are easy to reload and find a shell holder that fits. The older ppu brass dosent have the grove above the rim so finding a shell holder that fits sucks unless you make one to fit.you also can take the brass put it in a drill and make a grove with a hack saw blade. Only have to do this once. I loaded the Nagant like 32 long. I also shot 32 h & r mags lead cowboy loads that shot good. It buldge the brass but put in in the lee sizer and it’s ready to go again to reload. The 32 H&R mag shot then resized with the lee die and reloaded shoot a little better . It fire forms to the cylinder and works great after that. The factory ammo is around 18,00 to 20,000 psi. I have read of not to go over 11,000. That’s some of the lower new levels of some ammo but factory was and is much hotter.

[Mohawk Daddy]

does anyone knows the powder LOVEX?

Like others here I know Lovex, but have no experience with their pistol powders in a Nagant revolver. I am more cautious with my 1944 Nagant than others here. There's no way I would shoot 32 Mag loads in mine. I personally have seen a couple of Nagants for sale that were "missing" the cylinders. 11,000 psi to 20,000 psi is a long jump. Loading at 32 S&W Long pressure levels as has already been mentioned is good for me.

[WRideout]

Since we are on the subject of Nagant Pistols, where can I get brass for it nowadays? My daughter bought me some new brass a few years ago, but I am not seeing any currently available anywhere (Grafs, midway etc.) Do I have to suck it up and buy factory ammo just to get the brass? Thanks.

Wayne

[kayala]

Reloading for Nagant is a work of love :) I use once fired brass; size it with 30Car sizing die, seat bullet with 32-20 seating die with 25-20 stem so bullet is below the case mouth and then close it with 32-20 crimp die. That way I still get the gas seal that revolver been designed for. I load 98 gr DEWC from Graf's over 2.5 gr of Titegroup for average of 810 fps. More accurate than factory PPU ammo :)

[Mr_Sheesh]

WRideout - https://ammoseek.com/reloading/brass/7.62x38-nagant-revolver Powder Valley has new PPU brass $35.44/100

[WRideout]

WRideout - https://ammoseek.com/reloading/brass/7.62x38-nagant-revolver Powder Valley has new PPU brass $35.44/100

Thanks. I just checked; they are out of stock already.

Wayne

[lion]

take a .223 brass,cut of the shoulder,press it into a M1 sizer die,and remove the bulge with a lathe or file and you have a perfect nagant brass with a rim

[lion]

is 9mm luger the same as 9 mm para.Been told,the 9 para is to strong for the Luger pistol?????

[S.B.]

take a .223 brass,cut of the shoulder,press it into a M1 sizer die,and remove the bulge with a lathe or file and you have a perfect nagant brass with a rim
How does this have a rim that will work in a Nagant pistol? .223 is rimless isn't it? And the 7.62X38 take a .32 caliber bullet.
Steve

[Dan Cash]

is 9mm luger the same as 9 mm para.Been told,the 9 para is to strong for the Luger pistol?????

Same cartridge. Years ago, one could find WWll German surplus 9mm that was marked "nur fur Machinenpistole," which was for sub machine guns and would damage a handgun. Doubt you will run into that today. Any commercial 9mm Parabellum/Luger is ok in your Luger.