SEEKING INTEREST- 4 cavity Ingot molds

[Lakehouse2012]

I've been playing around with this in my head for sometime. I'm posting this as an INTEREST thread, to gauge how many might sign up. I will need that data, to get pricing together.

A few years back, one of our CB members offered a similar mold in 4-cav as die-cast. My thought is to offer die-cast IF we can get the order count high enough. I'm currently talking with a couple local shops about having tooling made and in order to make this available to everyone, I will pad each mold with an equal portion of the tooling cost. So the more we get, the smaller the cost per-piece.

Here is what I have so far:


Showing a single 2.5Lb bar
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This is now the FINAL DESIGN!

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Here are the dimensions for those asking about size. Each ingot will be 1.4" wide X .9" deep X 5.25" long
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Showing that 12 of the bars can be stacked in a small USPS Flat rate box with no room to spare, this means for you that sell your lead, you get 30LBS shipped for just $7.15 USD
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Once I have numbers flowing in, I'll start calculating the Piece Cost


NOTE: I still have to design up the handle geometry of the mold and the handle to be used, rest-assured, you will have this detail as I progress.

Hillbilly Gold Mold (20 molds)

1) os ok wants 1
2) dw475 wants 3
3) jmort wants 1
4) retread wants 2
5) aodmelter wants 1
6) rototerrier wants 2
7) huntnman wants 2
8) yogi wants 1
9) kingstrider wants 2
10) Wayne S wants 2
11) sureynot wants 1
12) minerat wants 2

Cast Boolits Mold (107 molds)

1) thraxx wants 2
2) brass410 wants 1
3) pjames32 wants 2
4) beagle333 wants 1
5) hossfly wants 2
6) rcmaveric wants 1
7) camper64 wants 1
8) jsnover wants 1
9) dw475 wants 3
10) 762sultan wants 1
11) toallmy wants 2
12) tja6435 wants 2
13) kevin c wants 4
14) osteodoc08 wants 1
15) goodalloy wants 1
16) papercidal wants 2
17) jwt wants 2
18) sukivel wants 1
19) jmort wants 1
20) loudy13 wants 2
21) 2011redrider wants 1
22) thor's daddy wants 1
23) bookworm wants 2
24) psychodad wants 1
25) springfield wants 2
26) butler ford wants 2
27) bpatterson84 wants 1
28) jac43 wants 1
29) valley-shooter wants 2
30) gtgeorge wants 2
31) stubach wants 4
32) aodmelter wants 1
33) bobby wants 1
34) walks wants 1
35) rogerdat wants 2
36) chad5005 wants 2
37) redriverhunter wants 2
38) dyecoker1 wants 4
39) mattw wants 2
40) redhawks357mag wants 2
41) huntnman wants 2
42) yogi wants 1
43) mjdd23 wants 1
44) wendyj wants 2
45) Sghinds wants 1
46) Went2kck wants 1
47) BigHoss74 wants 2
48) Oldhenry wants 1
49) glockky wants 2
50) Dieselhorses wants 1
51) 45workhorse wants 2
52) danmat wants 2
53) minerat wants 1
54) Broomstraw wants 2
55) worker wants 3
56) Tallahassee wants 1
57) Ronic wants 2
58) tja6435 wants 4
59) corey012778 wants 1
60) The Governor wants 1
61) huntnman wants 2
62) TaylorS wants 3


Mixed Mold with Hillbilly Gold and Cast Boolits (3 molds)
1) omega wants 2
2) Stmtrn wants 1

[thraxx]

I'd be interested with the CB logo for sure!

[brass410]

oh yeah I'd be interested

[pjames32]

Interested. The handle design from the NOE ingot mold (NOE or Lee 6 gang handle) works well.

[Camper64]

Just food for thought, will the volume of the mold be based on pure lead? I believe pure lead weights more than lead with alloy (tin/antimony). Since you are pushing the weight limit of a USPS small box there will be little room for any variance if your basing your volume off of lead with alloy.

[OS OK]

Interested in the 'Hillbilly Gold' mould not a 'CB' logo.

So, those in on sharing the tooling cost will get them at cost + the tooling charges + shipping?
All others in the future will pay a marked up for proffit price?

[Beagle333]

Interested in CB logo.

[Hossfly]

Interested in CB logo.

[Rcmaveric]

I am interested in the Hill Billy Gold with a cast boolit logo.

[Camper64]

Interested in CB logo.

[JSnover]

I'd buy one with the CB logo.

[Lakehouse2012]

Interested in the 'Hillbilly Gold' mould not a 'CB' logo.

So, those in on sharing the tooling cost will get them at cost + the tooling charges + shipping?
All others in the future will pay a marked up for proffit price?It's a good question, but until I get some idea of how many to have made, it's tough to speculate.

Best case- 200 molds get made from a GB here and the tooling gets paid for in first order at a cost of maybe $5 each. Tooling is paid and future orders only need setup fee.

Worst case - 20 molds get made and each order has a $50 cost.... this gets hard to swallow for anyone.

I'm not looking to make a dime off this, only a few molds for running the process if it works, so let's see if there are enough interested


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[DW475]

I would be interested.

[762sultan]

I'm in for one.

[toallmy]

I would go for a couple , just let me know - toallmy

[tja6435]

I'd do 2

[kevin c]

I'd be in, probably for two.

[osteodoc08]

Interested based on cost and with CB logo or no logo.

[GoodAlloy]

Interested in CB logo. However the hillbilly gold would not be a deal-breaker for me

[Papercidal]

I'd be up for two depending on cost preferably with the cb logo

[kevin c]

Is "die cast" like the aluminum Lee ingot mold versus, say, the Lyman?

[JWT]

I'd be up for two depending on cost preferably with the cb logo

Same for me.

[sukivel]

I’m in if they are inexpensive...


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[No_1]

I like them!

[sureYnot]

Interested. Preference in this order
1 no logo
2 hillbilly gold
3 CB
It's the size and shape that has me sold though. So I'd buy at least one, regardless of how the logo ends up.

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[jmort]

With the blessing of the imperator, I am in regardless of the impression.

[Loudy13]

interested in 1, either logo is fine with me.

[Lakehouse2012]

Great news that Robert has agreed to allow use of the CB logo on the mold! I will need a week or so to move the design along but in the mean time, please continue to add your interest comments.

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[Omega]

I'm interested, and since it's a four cavity mold, why can't it have two of each, CB logo and hillbilly gold?

[2011redrider]

Im in for one w CB logo

[Thor's Daddy]

Price would be a factor for me, but I am certainly interested. If you're counting, that would make 30 molds at this point. Any idea of what these are going to cost yet???

[retread]

Interested in 2. HillBilly Gold

[Lakehouse2012]

Price would be a factor for me, but I am certainly interested. If you're counting, that would make 30 molds at this point. Any idea of what these are going to cost yet???Still working on pricing. So far I have one die-cast in aluminum price that isn't even close to what these molds should cost, due to tooling.

I did talk to a guy yesterday that is interested in doing investment casting in cast iron. This is my front runner, these molds would last 100 years out of iron. I need to sent him the model and get over to his shop when he gets back from vacation in 2 weeks.

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[Minerat]

I'd be interested in a couple. CB logo or hillbilly gold.

[Bookworm]

I would be interested in a couple molds, depending on price.

Logo is unimportant, but if the site can make a buck on each for the logo usage, I wouldn't squawk.

[psychodad]

I'm in for one, either logo.

[Springfield]

I have a few of the original "Redneck Gold" aluminum moulds. The size works great for shipping if you want to, and the ingot size is nice for me, being larger than the standard 1 lb ingot. Makes smelting go faster with larger ingots. I'm not sure cast iron would be better than cast aluminum, but I would be willing to buy at least 2. Can't have too many ingot moulds! Either logo is fine with me. Also, it wouldn't matter if the ingots go over 30 lbs when in the USPS box, even the small box is allowed to go 70 lbs, as are all Flat Rate boxes.

[Butler Ford]

Interested for two with Cast Boolit logo preference

BF

[OS OK]

Great news that Robert has agreed to allow use of the CB logo on the mold! I will need a week or so to move the design along but in the mean time, please continue to add your interest comments.

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Well, if it's a 'CB' logo count me out...thanks anyway.

[bpatterson84]

If you can get cost under $15, I'd be interested in SEVERAL.

[Beagle333]

:drinks::popcorn:

[Lakehouse2012]

:drinks::popcorn:

42 mold buyers on the list.... If you guys want to get a reasonable cost, then I'm going to have to first see a list with way over 100 mold orders. 40 isn't even worth turning on the melting furnace...

[JSnover]

As this is a special/custom job, might be easier to offer with no logos instead of splitting into two groups and having to cast two different molds.

[Omega]

As this is a special/custom job, might be easier to offer with no logos instead of splitting into two groups and having to cast two different molds.Yea, but then we can just get a Lyman or Lee.

[JSnover]

True. Having a logo of choice is nice but it's not looking like we'll be able to do It at a reasonable price.

[Omega]

So how much are we talking about at 100 molds? Does the two design thing make a $ difference? Getting some figures may get a few more people to sign up to fill the rest.

[Lakehouse2012]

Guys, I'm trying to get enough mold interest irregardless of text or no text. This would be an Investment Casting process which will give me the ability to make more then one type of "lost foam" type of tools so potentially everyone could get what they want. The casting manufacturer is only looking at how many times they have to pour metal, not what the parts look like.

So- I need everyone that's interested to post and give their opinion. Keep them coming.

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[Lakehouse2012]

So how much are we talking about at 100 molds? Does the two design thing make a $ difference? Getting some figures may get a few more people to sign up to fill the rest.I'm working on cost, have to get the design finished so I have parts to talk to when I visit the mfg. I'm late on this task, but will quickly get it done and give you guys an idea of cost...

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[Hickory]

I think Hillbilly Silver might be a better logo.

[JAC43]

I'm interested, only for a CB logo.

Why no consideration for CNC machined? Cost?

[Lakehouse2012]

Do you know any CNC companies that would entertain this type of machine work? In my industry (automotive) the CNC is reserved for 1-off prototypes or when its production, there are significant tooling costs involved.

But I'm open to hear your ideas on why its viable.

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[JAC43]

I do not know anyone who does this type of work. I just thought the ingots looked nicer than ones from die cast molds. Granted it was 9 years ago, but I recall Blammer selling them around the $25 mark.

https://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits/Ingot%20Mould/DSCF1429.jpg

https://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu127/JonB_in_Glencoe/submittedcastpic.jpg

[thraxx]

I like those!

[Lakehouse2012]

Those are very nice molds, and yes they are diecast. Biggest difference with the ones I'm doing is size. Blames were about 1lb ingots, these will be 2.5lbs ingots and will have greater sidewall draft, so will release from the mold very easy, even if your running hot and fast.
I do not know anyone who does this type of work. I just thought the ingots looked nicer than ones from die cast molds. Granted it was 9 years ago, but I recall Blammer selling them around the $25 mark.

https://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g81/blammer8mm/Cast%20boolits/Ingot%20Mould/DSCF1429.jpg

https://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu127/JonB_in_Glencoe/submittedcastpic.jpg

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[Hossfly]

Well it looks like there is twice as much interest in hillbilly mold, that seems to be like a vote. I personally would be ok with that mold. If that’s the way it might go and the price is right I would want at least 2.

[pjames32]

I really don't care about what the mold says. Cost will determine of I buy 1 or 3. Like many on here I'm old and the squaw controls the funds!

[Hossfly]

Pjames32 you got that right 99% of the money and 100% of everything else.

[JSnover]

I'm all for supporting other members and small business owners, even if it costs a bit more. The OP is right, though, small orders usually equal a huge unit price whether they're cast iron or CNC.
Maybe a friend of a friend has a CNC machine that isn't busy right now and a program already loaded...

[kevin c]

I had posted that I'd buy one or two, but thinking about it, I would take four, with or without a logo of either type. I have a lot of lead that I want to alloy up into ingots for speed casting and this mold looks easier for that than the one and three pound ingot molds I have (the first is too small for speed casting the way I envision it and the second are the wrong shape to get into my casting pot).

[Lakehouse2012]

Hi guys, my brother gave me a hand with the logo and design on the CB logo and I've got to say, it looks great! I'll attach for your reference.

It will take me a bit more time to get the cost quote, be patient with me, I'm working on it.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180821/089fb186e1e39449dc6b381bdcc2f47e.jpg

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[JSnover]

That's pretty slick, having the different alloys cast into it.

[kevin c]

Except mine would all be marked "other" and the I'd still have to stamp it with the content, somewhere where there's enough space.

:kidding:
Just kidding with the griping. While true (COWW is only 1% of all the lead I have, being in California and new to the lead collecting game, my Lino is already in pigs, factory ingots or type, etc.), I'd buy them for the size and shape, and use them for casting alloy or perhaps the isotope or pure lead I might sell or trade.

[DW475]

I would be interested in more than one mold if the price comes in around that $25 range so you can tentatively count me in for at least 4 molds vs the 1 I previously expressed. 2 Hillbilly and 2 Cast boolits.

[Valley-Shooter]

I'm interested in 2 with the CB Logo.
It needs to be a good price and before Xmas.

[gtgeorge]

I'd be interested in 2.

[thraxx]

Lakehouse, please move me from the "Hillbilly Gold" group into the CB logo group. I'd buy two if we can get the price to $25 or less.

[pjames32]

I doubt very much seeing a price "$25 or less"! If this is possible, I'll buy more than the one I signed up for. How close are we to seeing a price??

[Loudy13]

Okay now you got me with the CB ingot photo, please change mine from 1 Hillbilly mold to 2 CB Molds

Thanks

[Grmps]

Just an idea to make it easier to mark what the alloy is, have Pb, Sb, Sn printed next to a boolit and then people can just stamp in the #'s and maybe BHN on the other side
https://i.imgur.com/2YwxQ4f.jpg

[Lakehouse2012]

Just an idea to make it easier to mark what the alloy is, have Pb, Sb, Sn printed next to a boolit and then people can just stamp in the #'s and maybe BHN on the other side
https://i.imgur.com/2YwxQ4f.jpgI like your idea Grmps! Let me play with the design when I get back to a CAD station next week.

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[thraxx]

would it be worth it to add "Range" to the types at the bottom?

[Omega]

I doubt very much seeing a price "$25 or less"! If this is possible, I'll buy more than the one I signed up for. How close are we to seeing a price??
Same here, at $25 or less I'd get two.

[StuBach]

For sure interested in the CB mold. Probably 2 but for sure one depending on price. Like the idea of spots to mark ratios.

[Grmps]

another thought, remove other and put the word range,
on the left boolit have BHN. people can add that number for "mystery lead a couple weeks after they cast the ingot.

another 2¢ worth

[kevin c]

Lots of different kinds of lead: you could cover the entire top of the ingot with different categories. Personally, I'd like just Pb, Sn and Sb, with space to one side to stamp or write in percentages, maybe another blank area to mark/stamp in a category or BHN myself.

I'd also be good with nothing but a logo, or even a blank top.

[Aodmelter]

1 of each for me

[Grmps]

Lakehouse2012 4 pages and I haven't seen anything on the estimated dimensions of the ingots.
That would make a difference as to what we could have legibly on the top.
You're saying 2.5 pounds ea. which is a nice weight for alloying.
Longer and skinnier would fit better in a pot but too skinny wouldn't stack as well.

another 2¢ worth, (must be in the brainstorming mode :coffeecom:Bright idea:

[kevin c]

The internal dimensions of a small flat rate box are 1 5/8" by 5 3/8" by 8 5/8". Stacked snugly, six across in two layers gives a length and thickness of 5 3/8" and 13/16" respectively. Width on top depends on the draft used, but will be something under 1 7/16". The bevelled edge and the draft could take off something like a half inch, so mebbe a top area of 1" by 5 3/8"?

[DukeInFlorida]

You might also take a look at "powdered metal". In aluminum, the costs might be better.
Also, a stamped aluminum part is possible.

While I always like to source things here in the US, the exchange rate with Canada could be beneficial. There is a consulate office in the Quebec Province that assists Quebec companies with getting business. They sometimes help pay for tooling to get the business. I can get you a number for the consulate contact (used to sell for several Quebec companies , but they were in the molded plastic and vacuum formed parts biz, and worked wonders with that consulate office getting good deals for my US customers). Let me know if I can assist.

[bobby]

Interested in 1 CB logo

[Walks]

Interested in one CB logo, if price gets down to $25

[RogerDat]

If this is still a live idea I would do 2 of the cast bullet logo molds. Or 2 of the hillbilly gold molds if a decision is made to only do one in order to combine tooling cost. Might do more depending on final price.

Might suggest tabs on the end or side for handles. I'm wearing gloves as anyone can which allows one to move or flip them while still hot if there is a tab along the edge. All my angle iron molds are like that and it works fine.

[Chad5005]

id be down for 2 if price is reasonable cb or 1 of each

[kevin c]

So now we're around seventy molds, if the cost is around twenty five dollars per unit. That's getting close!

[redriverhunter]

put me down for two CB logo
thanks rrh

[rototerrier]

2 hillbilly golds for me please.

[dyecocker1]

I would do 4 of the CB if the price was around 25$

I guess I do not really care what is on top, but i like the idea of being able to mark what is being cast with the types on the bottom.

[mattw]

I would to a couple of the CB moulds... for a decent price around $25 each.

[pjames32]

Is the ~$25 price confirmed if we get 100 ordered. If so I'm in for two.

[kevin c]

Is the ~$25 price confirmed if we get 100 ordered. If so I'm in for two. I don't think that's hard and fast, but it's a sure thing that whatever the tooling cost, it'll be less per unit as more folks sign up. We're around eighty molds now, if everyone who has expressed interest commits.

[RedHawk357Mag]

Be interested in a couple cast bullet. Thank you.

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[StuBach]

Just going to point out that it’s been a while since the member who started this has updated the list or posted.

Does anyone know if this still active or is this a pipe dream project that has died?

I am willing to pony up to get at least two (probably more depending on unit price) of these depending on price and have seen a lot of posts with interest so seems like this should be an active GB now rather than an interest thread. If it is still active maybe knowing how many more we need to get it started might help. I know several members like me who if we knew we were close but still short would be willing to throw some more in to get it going.

[Hossfly]

Been about 2.5 weeks since Lakehouse2012 has posted,he may have some thing to report soon i hope. I’m ready to start casting some ingots and would like to be able to do it in these new style molds.

[huntnman]

I would go 2ea at $25.00 break point.

[Yogi]

I would get at least one of each. Possibly more depending on price as I usually do 100 lbs at a time and need more molds

[Lakehouse2012]

Hey Guys,

You'll have to be a bit patient with me. My employment status has changed recently and I have to give it priority right now. I am still working on the project, but am not having as much time to get the final model done so that I can get the needed quotes.

[kevin c]

Thanks for taking the lead on this, Lakehouse. You have your priorities right.

This has generated a fair amount of interest and quickly at that, but it's worth remembering that the number of molds for a go here is a lot higher than that for a group buy on a boolit mold.

I would also guess that investment casting with its need to design and make master models and molds which then are used to produce one time use individual production molds is very different from slapping a mold blank into a CNC lathe and hitting a button to run the program. A matter of maybe several weeks to some months from the go to actually ship the product, maybe?

[Lakehouse2012]

Thanks Kevin for understanding. The final model is getting close to being finished but the caster I want to use is a 2 hour drive and I need to have a rapid-prototype in hand when I stop in and see him, so that we are talking correctly for quoting. It's just been harder to coordinate than I originally planned.

I also have a 2nd quote that I'll get from someone near Miha, but again, I need to get the model finished, so the quote is accurate.

Truth-be-known - I haven't been doing CAD work actively in over 10 years. My team was doing all the heavy-lifting and everything that I remember being expert at, I seem to be forgetting.... Luckily my brother is much better at this than I ever was, and he is helping me even though we are 200 miles apart. It all just takes time.... :(

I'm thinking 1-2 weeks to have model done and quotes finalized, then its just scheduling with the casters. If it ends up in the States, it's 5 days shipping. If it ends up in Slovenia, then similar to molds for shipping.

I'm sorry it's taking longer than expected. From the interest so far I'll guess there are 100 molds sold, if I can get the investment cast at the right price, we may already have enough to pull the trigger on this.


Thanks for taking the lead on this, Lakehouse. You have your priorities right.

This has generated a fair amount of interest and quickly at that, but it's worth remembering that the number of molds for a go here is a lot higher than that for a group buy on a boolit mold.

I would also guess that investment casting with its need to design and make master models and molds which then are used for one time use individual production molds is very different from slapping a mold blank into a CNBC lathe and hitting a button to run the program. A matter of maybe several weeks to some months from the go to actually ship the product, maybe?

[kevin c]

Thanks for the update!

[StuBach]

Lakehouse, thank you for taking on this project and the update.

Sorry to hear about your employment issues. As Kevin mentioned, take care of yourself first. Despite my earlier post, most of us are used to and expect these things to take time so take care of your family first, just glad to hear it is still alive as a project.

Best wishes and good luck in the job hunt.

[Hossfly]

Thanks for the update, wish you luck with your job.

[Camper64]

As of right now, I'm showing 48 members with a total of 83 molds (5 hb, 77 cb).

[RogerDat]

Appreciate the status update. My mom always said delayed gratification built character. So while you take care of the clearly higher priorities in your world we can all kick back and build us some character :-)

[kingstrider]

I would be down for a hillbilly gold mold. I'd want 2 of them if they have the same markings as the CB mold (pure, lino, WW and other).

[Mjdd23]

I would like to have one with the CB logo please. Thanks.
Mark

[wendyj]

I'd like to have a couple of the CB molds

[Wayne S]

I'd be in for 2 HBG OR plain. Ponder on making them with an "ear" either on one end or one side just big enough for a pair of "vice grip" or other pliers to hold the mold for emptying

[Sghinds]

Depending on cost I’d be in for a CB.

[Went2kck]

I would go for a Cast bullet mold

[BigHoss74]

I'm interested in 2 CB logo

[oldhenry]

I'd be interested in a CB logo.

Henry

[glockky]

I would be in for at least 1 CB logo mold. Maybe 2 depending on price.

[Dieselhorses]

The 64k question is "what is the dimensions of each brick"? I have a wall bin with 128 sections, 4.5" wide by 7.5" high. Makes it easier to sort. (It holds around 1700 lbs)

[Omega]

The 64k question is "what is the dimensions of each brick"? I have a wall bin with 128 sections, 4.5" wide by 7.5" high. Makes it easier to sort. (It holds around 1700 lbs)First post shows that 12 fit snuggly into a SFRB (5.3/8 X 8.5/8 X 1.5/8), you can probably get an idea of the dimensions from the pic showing how they fit.

[Dieselhorses]

First post shows that 12 fit snuggly into a SFRB (5.3/8 X 8.5/8 X 1.5/8), you can probably get an idea of the dimensions from the pic showing how they fit.

10-4 thx

1 CB 4 me pls!

[kevin c]

I did some guesstimates in post 78.

[45workhorse]

Two CB for me.

[kevin c]

I think we're right around a hundred molds now, if those who have posted commit to buy around $25 a unit. Pretty fast. The price would be even better if we push the total up to 150 or 200, though it's hard to know at this point if there is that much interest.

[JSnover]

I think we're right around a hundred molds now, if those who have posted commit to buy around $25 a unit. Pretty fast. The price would be even better if we push the total up to 150 or 200, though it's hard to know at this point if there is that much interest.

If we can confirm 100@$25, might be time to start the signup thread, give it enough lead time to get some more folks on board.

[kevin c]

Lakehouse will get the cost estimate to us when he can, but the man needs to deal with higher priorities at the moment.

[Hossfly]

Well just sign me up for 2 of what ever y’all come up with, I like the size mostly. If not overly priced. And I just want 2 total. Not 3.

[danmat]

I will take 2 of CB logo

[DW475]

I'm currently down for 1 HB Gold but if the price comes in around $25 you can put me down for 3 of the HB Gold and 3 of the CB. Thank You.

[Dieselhorses]

10-4 thx

1 CB 4 me pls!I thought I requested a CB ingot mold?

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[Minerat]

Loghhouse you can put me down for 1 CB too.

[Broomstraw]

Put me down for the CB version. Depending on cost, may want 2.

[worker]

Hello. Will take 3 CB.
Thank you.

[kevin c]

Where's that forehead slapping smiley? I just realized, for those who have been asking for dimensions, that Lakehouse made a pretty much life sized image in post #1 and again in post #60. It's the Cast Boolits version of the mold, angled in his diagram, which Grmps squared up in post #69.

Of course your monitor may be set up different from my iPad, but if the image box is 5 1/2" by 3" for Lakehouse's images, or 5 1/2" by 2" for Grmps', the pictured ingot is pretty close to what will drop out of the mold, or no more than five to ten percent smaller if Lakehouse uses the maximum dimensions that will fit six across in two layers in the USPO SFRB.

[Wayne S]

Someone needs to measure the ID of an assembled SFRB. I measure the ID at; 6 3/16 " wide, 2 1/16" tall, and 9" deep .

[kevin c]

Someone needs to measure the ID of an assembled SFRB. I measure the ID at; 6 3/16 " wide, 2 1/16" tall, and 9" deep .
I think that might be the 1096L Priority Mail box, not the smaller Priority Mail Flat Rate box.

[Tallahassee]

I would be interested in the CB mold.

[Wayne S]

I think that might be the 1096L Priority Mail box, not the smaller Priority Mail Flat Rate box.

I STAND CORRECTED, it was the BIGGER box, BUT, the SFRB is smaller and measures 8.5" deep.
Kinda like the 60 year old woman told her 60 year old husband,"do the math", you have a 30 year old girl friend, how many times will 60 go into 30 ? While my 27 year old "boy friend" goes into 60 twice with a good attempt at a third time.
Explain how 6, 2" wide at the base ingots will fit into an 8.5" space , because the OP first post says a total of 12 ingots.
When you "piggy back" or fit ingots into the slots of the bottom ingots , the bottom ingots spread out. One might fit 4 + 4, IF one is really careful and not over fill the mold causing "fins" on the ingots like when casting with to hot an a melt and to hot a mold.

[kevin c]

Fitting into a SFRB is nice but for me the general shape and weight is what I want for casting.

Still, for what it's worth, perfectly poured ingots from a mold designed to fit maximally in 8 5/8" can have the width of a top [T] and of a wider (because of the draft) bottom [B] that fits the equation:

3(T + B) + (1/2)(B - T) = 8.625", where 3(T + B) describes three ingots with tops up snugged up alternating against three ingots bottoms up, and (B - T) describes the difference in width top versus bottom because of the draft, divided by two to cover the gap on the end of each row caused by the draft on one side of the end ingot that is topside up. Simplifying and moving terms around, you get to 5T = 17.25" - 7B

So, Wayne S, you're right; a two inch base would give an ingot that looks close to an angle iron ingot, with a top just a bit over half an inch. But if the base is, say, something like 1 1/2", the top would be just over 1 1/4" (a bit less if the top edges are radiused).

I almost never pour perfect ingots as I am usually too impatient to level my molds, and my pours are not all the same in the amount of alloy dropped even if they were. So that perfect equation above almost never applies. Fortunately, the imperfect ingots are pretty much always under the maximum dimensions of the completely filled mold, so what's being proposed should still fit in the box, albeit in a sloppy fashion (unless the new gang molds are like the ones from Lyman and Lee that I have, and maybe others, where the individual molds can be over poured to create a set of joined ingots: those probably wouldn't fit). I suppose that if there is enough space in the box, I'll stuff it with newspaper, charge the buyer by actual weight of the contents, and call it good.

ETA: apologies for the math. I get carried away sometimes.

ETA again because I got the wrong equation. Getting old...

[Springfield]

"Everything old is new again" This ingot mould thing has been done before, with a 4 ingot mold. To ship in a SFRB the ingot should be 1.5" x 5.25" at the base. Leave enough draft for it to fall out of the mould well. And you have a 2.5lb or therabout ingot that fits very well in a SFRB for shipping, if you are so inclined.

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[kevin c]

Is that the original Red Neck Gold? Never saw one before. Is it dumped just by hand, or is there a handle that uses those holes on one tab? Any cooling issues? Did you find the categories molded on top useful?

[RogerDat]

Those are the "tabs" I was trying to describe earlier. If you wear gloves you can just pick up and flip, if not using gloves you can grab with channel locks or some other sort of pliers.

I have a mold with tabs and wearing gloves I have no problem picking up, turning to side table and dumping. I also have angle iron bar mold that is the same way. That is typically ~ 6 pounds per pour.

[sukivel]

I don’t care if it fits neatly in a sfrb or not. Are there really that many of us SHIPPING our lead somewhere?!


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[kevin c]

Maybe not, but it's nice to have the option if you do ship. I currently have a lot of mini loaf pan ingots like dragon813's; they look like gold bar ingots (I cast them at my club, and am getting a bit tired of the "too bad that's not real gold" comments from the curious). I haven't shipped any in quantity in one box but am thinking mine would need careful packaging to arrive safely, maybe needing elaborate wooden bracing inside the MFRB's.

Reading here, I saw the suggestion of packing ingots of the right shape (angle iron or the ingots proposed here) inside SFRB's and then packing the SFRB's inside a MFRB. Sounds more secure, faster and easier.

For speed casting, I'm thinking the new ingots will be better than mine because they weigh more than my one pounders so loading the pot will be less frequent but will not take as long to warm up as the three plus pound mini loafs. They bridge the top of the pot for preheating which helps fast heating since they will actually be in contact with the pot rather than the housing, and will sit securely with little chance falling in and splashing lead all over me and my work area. The thinner cross section is easier to grab with pliers (the three pounders are awkward to handle), means a faster melt once in the pot, and the longer length means I can carefully lower rather than dropping them in.

Better for me all around, which is why I am so interested in this, but of course, YMMV!

[StuBach]

Seems mine got missed earlier, Please put me down for 2 CB

[Valley-Shooter]

I could care less if they fit into a USPS box. They just need to stack on a shelf and look "cool".

[Ronic]

I would like to get a CB mold and if it gets under $25 I'll take 2

[RogerDat]

I seldom sell lead. Mostly a bit here or there when I buy a larger quantity of something worth shipping and decide to sell a bit to reduce my out of pocket expense. I can end up lead rich and cash poor. Or for trades. However eventually I may stop casting due to age or health issues and I would darn sure rather see it sold here where it will be used by other casters than sold to the scrap yard for a loss.

I think I have 900 lbs. of COWW angle iron ingots stored in SFRB's ready to ship. I made those molds to fit a SFRB or MFRB which share one dimension. They pack well in the boxes, the boxes weigh ~ 20 lbs. so manageable to handle. And three of the SFRB will fit in a MFRB without going over weight. Having nicer ingots sized to allow for a full to the top box every time would be great. Shipping is the same if you have a 1/4 inch of wasted space or a full to the top box. Having them stack well, easy to mark are good too. The angle iron pack well and stack "ok" but you do have to taper the stack unless you put in boxes first.

Last but not least if you get hit by a bus you want to make it easier for family or friends to sell those ingots here for a good price or would you rather your widow have to take 25 cents a pound from a scrap yard? Maybe less if they come pick it up. One thing about having a lifetime supply is you have one idea about how long a lifetime is and god might have a different idea. Hint: Gods idea wins.

[Omega]

I seldom sell lead. Mostly a bit here or there when I buy a larger quantity of something worth shipping and decide to sell a bit to reduce my out of pocket expense. I can end up lead rich and cash poor. Or for trades. However eventually I may stop casting due to age or health issues and I would darn sure rather see it sold here where it will be used by other casters than sold to the scrap yard for a loss.

I think I have 900 lbs. of COWW angle iron ingots stored in SFRB's ready to ship. I made those molds to fit a SFRB or MFRB which share one dimension. They pack well in the boxes, the boxes weigh ~ 20 lbs. so manageable to handle. And three of the SFRB will fit in a MFRB without going over weight. Having nicer ingots sized to allow for a full to the top box every time would be great. Shipping is the same if you have a 1/4 inch of wasted space or a full to the top box. Having them stack well, easy to mark are good too. The angle iron pack well and stack "ok" but you do have to taper the stack unless you put in boxes first.

Last but not least if you get hit by a bus you want to make it easier for family or friends to sell those ingots here for a good price or would you rather your widow have to take 25 cents a pound from a scrap yard? Maybe less if they come pick it up. One thing about having a lifetime supply is you have one idea about how long a lifetime is and god might have a different idea. Hint: Gods idea wins.If it will make it easier I can send you some preprinted labels with my address on them for each MFRB :smile:

Seriously though, I like the fact that they stack on the shelf much easier in SFRBs. And you can even mark the type of lead on the box for easier sorting if you have to move them. I purchased some lead which were cast in what looks to be 3 or 4 inch round molds, try keeping those on a shelf.

[StuBach]

Roger,
Just let your wife know to shoot me a call and I’ll gladly drive down and pick it up [emoji12]. (And pay a fair price in the process or help her sell it on CB).

Seriously though, I like your logic and line on who wins. Will have to use that.

[huntnman]

I'll commit to two cast boolit molds now. Depending on price I will consider adding two more.

[kevin c]

Folks, just to let you know that I pm'd Lakehouse, and that this is still a go. Things on the home front, though, are still tying him up (not for me to be specific, but there is more that he is dealing with than what he has mentioned so far).

What I get from him is that he is pretty sure that we can hit the mark of $25 cost per unit, but that more molds will help guarantee that and may help bring the price down some more (we're around 120 now, if all the interest expressed commits to buy). What is not yet determined is the final design and if and how many variants there will be, when the first run of molds might be available and what shipping will end up costing (Miha may be willing to ship a small, high value item from Slovenia on "his dime", but his price incorporates his shipping cost whereas this item we've been focusing on start up and production costs, and is a different type of item and vendor altogether).

Patience, my friends! We will be rewarded in time. I'm sure anybody who frequents this part of the forum already knows Lakehouse's great track record as a honcho, and when he brings this off in fine style, we as the first buyers benefit up front and the rest of the forum will do the same because the groundwork will have been laid for future runs. In the meantime, I encourage those who haven't been sure and those who are reading the thread for the first time to get their orders in!

[Omega]

I'm listed as:

2)Omega wants 1 with mixed logo

I can be bumped up to 2 mixed, or 1 of each of the other two if mixed is not feasible.

[tja6435]

I'd go for 4 total if pricing gets down $25-$30/ea. There are never enough ingot molds on ingot making day.

[kevin c]

Thanks for the up date, gents!

[jmort]

Two
One of each

[Stmtrn]

I'd be interested in a mixed logo mold

[corey012778]

Be interested in one cb

[The Governor]

I'd be in for a CB mold.

[Dieselhorses]

Id he interested in seeing updated request list.

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[kevin c]

I've got stuff to do but likely a lot less than Lakehouse. I'll try to put one together in the next couple days. It will be in one of my following posts rather than the lead post, until Lakehouse can move it.

[Camper64]

Removed unofficial list from post so as not to confuse anyone. See post #1 for official list.

[kevin c]

Ha, you beat me to it, thanks!

I think you made the same assumptions I did, that each buyer's conditional price, if they had one, was met. We've been using $25 as that conditional price. I think you also put folks into the first option they mentioned if they said they were good with either.

There may be a few who will change from either/or/both to the mixed logo version of the mold, if it becomes an option for sure.

There are some who expressed interest but did not mention a design. Camper put you all into the "wants the CB version". Please speak up if this is not the case:

brass410 - 1
pjames32 - 2
762sultan - 1
totally - 2
tjo6435 - 4
sukivel - 1
Thor's Daddy - 1
Bookworm - 2
bpatterson - 1
gtgeorge - 2

Rcmaveric: did you want a mixed logo mold?

sureYnot: did you want the HB or CB version?

[sureYnot]

HG please, given the choice. But, I will still take one if CB ends up being the only option.

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[RogerDat]

Is it worth considering consolidation of buyers under one design? Might bring the cost down and reduce the lag time if there was less setup because only one mold design was being offered. Less effort matching orders to people too. I like any of the designs so it wouldn't bother me. Others may have a stronger attachment to one design or the other(s).

[Bookworm]

I really don't care about the logo, as long as it has the indicators for alloy. I agree with RogerDat, if there is only one design it may help keep costs down.

[Minerat]

Camper64 Good Job

BUT You got me down for the first post #34 2 of either but listed in unofficial list as 2 CB (lighthouse had me listed as #14 under HBG Post #1). That's OK but ya missed the second post adding 1 CB (post # 125) for a total of 3.

I think you did great considering what you have to work with and mine can be fixed.

Thank you!
Steve

[Omega]

Maybe when we get the cost closer to reality,we can make a decision on how to proceed. If the cost is prohibitive to offer both options, a new thread (unless this one can be changed) can add a poll, with the two logos, mixed would be nixed at this point I figure, The the winner of the poll will be the one to go with.

[Camper64]

Changes made for MineRat and sureYnot.

[Lakehouse2012]

Hi Folks! I'm making progress... The design and solid model is now FINISHED :) I can finally get these out to the local investment casters in my area, to get the quotes. I've updated pics for the CB mold in post #1. The HBG mold will be as designed in pic-1 but will add the WW, Lino, Pb, and other to the bottom of each ingot.

ALSO- a huge thinks for Kevin and the others for keeping the thread moving in my absence. Thanks guys, I really appreciate the great work you did. I've taken the updated list and dropped it back into post #1 so that should now be fairly accurate.

Stay tuned on cost and shipping.

Thanks,

Lakehouse2012

[TaylorS]

Put me down for 3 cb have much to do this winter in that department


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[Lakehouse2012]

Put me down for 3 cb have much to do this winter in that department


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Thanks, I've got you on the list!

[StuBach]

This is why I love my wife...

Directive from the boss, please increase my order to 4 CB (assuming a $25 or less cost). I’m order 31.

Lake house, hope your other troubles are taken care of. We were rooting for you.

[Lakehouse2012]

Thats a fine woman, that will let you spend her money... :)

I've got you updated, Thank you!


This is why I love my wife...

Directive from the boss, please increase my order to 4 CB (assuming a $25 or less cost). I’m order 31.

Lake house, hope your other troubles are taken care of. We were rooting for you.

[kevin c]

Glad to see you back, Lakehouse!

Any sidewall draft, or is the ingot shallow enough that it's not needed? Is 0.9" going to work for two layers in the SFRB?

[Lakehouse2012]

Morning,

All draft I've set at 5 to 7 degrees, which is more than enough to drop lead from a mold. The USPS box (from memory) was inside dim 1.875" so .9" x 2= 1.8" will lock the box up snugly depending on how well a person knows how to pour when they reach the top.... It might take someone a few trys, but they will figure out how to pour on this mold.

BTW- I sent through email, to my casting buddy in Bay City last night, and I also sent to Miha. We just talked via phone a few minutes ago and he is going to reach out to casters in his area to get quotes. This process shouldn't take long to lock down... Hopefully we are in the home stretch.

[kevin c]

Very cool. Now I want six CB instead of four (prolly not much more than a brass HP mold from Miha, and ought to be able to cast in rotation with out too much down time for cooling the molds).

[jonp]

Not sure how I missed this. Put me down for 1 CB

[Adam20]

Put me down for 2 cb please

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

"Home stretch" Great
...looks like it's time for me to jump in.

I'm in for 2 HBG

[Time Killer]

Please put me down for 2 cast boolit molds assuming a price of $25.00 or less.

[06ackley]

I'm in for 2 of the cb

[toallmy]

I was in for 2 at whatever the cost , but if they come in at 25.00 or less I could use 4 just let me know .

[Springfield]

Please up my order to 4 CB molds, please.

[Lakehouse2012]

Here is some eye-candy while we wait for the quotes to come in....

Now that i have the CAD model finished, i started making 3D prints. This first one i didnt have the settings quite right but, laying some corncob and lyman ingots next to the prototype part, gives an idea... the next model will finish in about 12 hours.

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[Chad5005]

they look good,on post #83 I was down for 2cb's or 1 of each,id like to change that to 2 of each

[bobby]

Can I get put down for 2 cb molds

[bobby]

I think I was down for 1 on 33 of list, but I would like 2

[kevin c]

Haha, has there ever been a group buy here for a hundred and fifty molds? OK, I know boolit mold and ingot molds are different beasties, but it's still a nice BIG number. :p :p :p

[BNE]

Please add me for one with the CB logo. Do we have a price yet?

[Minerat]

I'm listed as #12 for the HBG can you split that to one of each and 1Cb. 1-CB and 1-HBG. so I would have 1 HBG (#12) and 2 CB (#53)

Thanks

[rockrat]

I might go for 4 with the CB logo

[riffer]

How much would shipping to Germany cost for 1-2 molds?

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[JonB_in_Glencoe]

How much would shipping to Germany cost for 1-2 molds?

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If it helps any, a few years ago, I shipped some tooling items overseas, (similar in weight to 2 ingot molds) to the UK and shipping was about $35 US dollars.

[PowPow]

I'm interested in one CB and one HBG.

[flyingmonkey35]

It take a CB one. And great job on the 3d printer

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[Broomstraw]

Hey, I am Number 54 on the list for the Cast Boolits Ingot Molds. I originally wanted 2 of these. I want 4 of these. I was smelting some lead today and broke one of my ingot molds. Decided it would be nice to have a backup or two just in case I again do something stupid and damage one.

54. Broomstraw wants 4 CB Logo Ingot Molds.

[bronte454]

I would be in for one of each the HBG and the CB . If cost gets lower I would do 2 of each

[mikeatl]

I would be interested in 2 Cast Boolits but would like to know an estimate on shipping as I don't think the $25 estimate includes shipping.

[shooterg]

Late to this thread, would like 1 of these, plain, HBG,CB, doesn't matter to me. Assume someone PM's me when/if these get made ?

[dragon813gt]

Are the only choices the HB and CB versions? I care about the size and want no text on the molds. If a plain version is an option I’d buy four of them.

[kevin c]

Lakehouse had mentioned early on that the foam molding process offered some flexibility. I would guess that plain with no text is simpler than creating a new design, but Lakehouse would be able to say for sure what's possible. I'd could go for plain as well.

[StuBach]

I heard from LakeHouse that the original caster fell through so he is looking for alternate options including talking with Miha to see what options we have there. More to come once he has a chance to vet the options.

[jethunter]

Please put me on the list for 4 pieces. This is dependant on actual final cost when they are known if it gets that far.
I don't care about the labelling, would prefer none but "CB" if one is needed. Thanks.

[Lakehouse2012]

I appreciate all the patience guys, this thread has gotten a LOT of hits. I'm working on this one, I promise. As StuBach said, my original caster gave me a tooling cost that was stupid-expensive, so I'm working with Miha to try and get to a reasonable price on cutting these on his CNC mill. The issue is getting his machine time per-part, down to a reasonable level, that he could afford to run these all for us. So I've been modifying the design to make his tooling path faster, its still gonna be a fairly complex part to cut though. Stay tuned, I hope to have this one in production soon...

[kevin c]

Cool! There are now about 160 molds on the list, and we all know it'll be worth the wait.

Would that be Miha cutting a master, or him cutting each mold individually?

Regardless, no doubt that if Miha gets personally involved, I'm sure we'll have a top notch product, even if modified a bit from what we've seen so far. Still, if a model or diagram of the final design(s) decided on could be thrown up here, I'd love to see it. Also a cost estimate if significantly different from what was being thought of.

[Broomstraw]

Yes, the molds that Miha creates are awesome. My only concern with this is cost and time. He is in such demand for his quality product that it will be a long while before we see these. What about some of the other mold manufacturers. I know NOE makes a nice 4 cavity mold. Not sure about MP.... just my $0.02. Either way, I do look forward to these once they are created.

[DGV]

I will take 2 with cast boolits logo

[toallmy]

I'm sorry gentlemen but I'm going to withdraw my name from the list on the ingot molds , I originally wanted 2 then went to 4 but I am going to get some made by my local welder and rush him a little . Toallmy

[RogerDat]

The handle connection from the NOE mold might be worth a look for an idea of how those should be shaped.

http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=95 I would say that price point might vary a bit between US NOE prices and European prices from Miha but this may provide some guidance on price point. Fairly close on bullet mold prices so I don't expect their prices for molds would be all that different from each other.

Key feature of this mold buy for me is the sized to fit the SFRB and maybe the MFRB so one can fully load the box to get the most product shipped for the least shipping cost. Tightly packed product is least likely to bust out the box too. One can pay a welder to do something roughly the same size but probably not as precisely sized for filling shipping box. Welder will possibly cost more depending on costs in your area. Would expect it to be fast turn around from local welder.

[Boomsticks Firearms]

I am interested in both molds I want 1 of each

[MrWolf]

I am interested in the CB logo

[StuBach]

Bump.

[Hossfly]

Bump, Bump,Bump, anything going on with progress?

[Lakehouse2012]

Hi guys, this one is proving tough to get at a reasonable cost.... the current cost would be $60+ per mold which doesnt sound any good to me.

However.... i started reaching out to some Chinese casting companies through Alibaba last week to get quotes going. Ive not gotten any prices yet but im hopeful i will soon.

Worst case, the place im working has a dozen Haas CNC mills, and i could start getting the cut from solid aluminum blocks. I dont know if everyone would want this type, so trying to get the cast iron type into production....

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[kevin c]

Thanks for the update! I do appreciate the effort you've put into this, and I'm still interested, though of course the final price may affect how many I get.

[Lakehouse2012]

I've got some good news coming on the ingot mold, stay tuned!!!

I will have final cost numbers coming within the next week.

[kevin c]

Extremely cool. I've got a lot of alloy to cast!

[StuBach]

Extremely cool. I've got a lot of alloy to cast!

Ditto

[rancher1913]

put me down for a couple of each please.

[Ronic]

I've got some good news coming on the ingot mold, stay tuned!!!

I will have final cost numbers coming within the next week.

I could see this as perpetual motion, cheaper they are more people will order. more people order the cheaper they will be.

[kevin c]

I could see this as perpetual motion, cheaper they are more people will order. more people order the cheaper they will be.
IIRC, I think that was one of the original goals.

[Groundpounder17]

I’m interested depending on the cost. Cost will determine how many I could get. Any ideas if these will be cast iron or aluminum? Have you also figured out handle type?

[Wheelgun]

I’m also interested depending on cost.

I’d want the Cast Boolits mold...

[Walks]

If they are gonna come out of China,
I do not want one.

[Ohiopatriot]

I would be interested in a couple.

[Groundpounder17]

Any news on this?

[Walks]

Aluminum would be OK. And I would prefer a big tab instead of the N.O.E. mold handle "tab"

As long as they are NOT MADE in china.

[Hossfly]

Aluminum or cast iron ok with me. Chi-Com no.

[Meatpuppet]

1 Hillbilly Gold for me.

[ddcrawford]

I would be interested in two CB style

[StuBach]

Group buy has gone live. Don’t miss your chance as these are on a preorder basis.

ACTIVE - 4 cavity Ingot molds
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=9688&share_tid=375184&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcastboolits%2Egunloads%2Ecom%2Fsh owthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D375184&share_type=t

[Lakehouse2012]

Evening guys,

I've finally got this GB kicked off and moving. I'm going to lock this thread and make the final post a link to the ACTIVE thread:

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?375184-ACTIVE-4-cavity-Ingot-molds

There will only be 250 molds made, so get your orders in on the Active thread. I'm expecting everyone to make a post of their intent. Telling me "I already posted that I wanted them in the discussion thread" doesn't work. I need everyone to understand the terms of this GB, before they sign up.