BIG Presses

[NVcurmudgeon]

About 15 years ago I wrote RCBS about the ram in my Junior press being a little wobbly. I was mentallly looking forward to RCBS telling me that my old Junior was worn out, so I could buy a Rockchucker. Instead, they sent me free a new Reloader Special press without even knowing for sure that I had a Junior! The old Junior is alive and well with a friend in Montana, and the Reloader Special has handled all single stage duties more than adequately. Still, there is that unscratched itch for a big press. I would appreciate hearing from y'all about your impressions of big presses you have. curmudgeon

[carpetman]

NVCrumudgeon--I have the Rockchucker. Have owned 3 but only used the one(since 1967). Straight walled cases,I could see a Jr being ok but for bottle necks,wouldn't want less than the rock.

[sundog]

Curmudg, my first press was a Junior, obtained from a garage sale from original owner in very early 70s. It's loaded MANY rounds, and I still have it and use it. Previous owner, if I remember correctly was loading 44 Mag with real boolits. Also got a Ly 450 at the same time. I've also come by, not one, but two Rock Chuckers (and an Ly Orange Crush) at most unbelievably low prices, again at garage sales, both coming with other stuff like scales, dies, dumps, etc. One of the RCs is now my primary, the Junior a backup and 'go to the range' press, but still fully functional. The RC is a pleasure to use, permanently mounted on the bench. The leverage is noticeable greater than the Jr., noticeably. It was missing the primer catcher, and I called RCBS. No problemo, got a new one in short order and NO CHARGE. And no, I don't care to part with any of them, as some or all will be passed to son, SIL, grand kids, etc. Not having to lay out a sum to start might encourage them, especially since they came so cheaply. Short of an odd item or two (and dies), I bet I could outfit four working reload benches right now. Sure wish I had a sugar daddy when I got started! sundog

[carpetman]

Sundog--You mention the RCBS primer catcher. I call them every other catchers at best. I did line mine with leather and it cut down some on those that bounce out. Mine was old style metal--think they are plastic now. It was held on with a rubber band and that would slip off and ofcourse dump all those that had not bounced out to begin with. I epoxied a crossbar like a TEE onto the post that the rubber ban slipped on and that helped until the epoxy turned loose. I drilled a hole on one side and ran a piece of thong leather through and tied a knot so it wouldn't pull through(sorta like tying a knot in thread so it doesnt pull through when you start sewing). The other side of the holder I cut a slot. The other end of the thong leather I also tied a knot in it so that the knot pulls down through the slot and back up for removal.

[waksupi]

Ray, that sounds like a good idea. I'm going to do that with mine. I have had the darn thing fall off with a zillion spent primers in it, more times than I care to remember.
I did cut out a little plastic thing, about the size of a half dollar, with a tail on it that I slip into the primer arm channel. I made it from old milk jug, so it is flexible to easily bend out of the way for putting cartriges into place in the shell holder. This helps catch a lot of the strays. Also, if the depriming pin is set so it just barely pushes the primer from the pocket, they fall more gently, and don't tend to bouce away nearly as frequently. If you will try this method, you will see you have fewer stray sheep, and they won't bounce away on you so frequently.

[Scrounger]

I hate the way my Rockchucker throws primers all over the floor. I've threatened to buy a different one for years (I have even bought them then sold them; just too much trouble to reset everything). I figured out a simple modification that would catch all the primers in a jar. Even told RCBS about it. But they won't change it because it would eliminate that priming arm that nobody uses anyway. If I knew how to use a lathe I could fix it myself. Maybe in my next life...

[carpetman]

Scrounger--I'd like to hear your idea for improving the primer catching ability of the Rockchucker. It gets a lot of errors as is. Waksupi--could you elaborate on your plastic thingy,I did a search of plastic thingies and it didnt sound like stuff you would have---well then again,maybe so.

[Scrounger]

Scrounger--I'd like to hear your idea for improving the primer catching ability of the Rockchucker. It gets a lot of errors as is. Waksupi--could you elaborate on your plastic thingy,I did a search of plastic thingies and it didnt sound like stuff you would have---well then again,maybe so.
RCBS starts out with a nice big hole in the center of the ram but then they angle it to the outside to create the slot for the priming arm nobody uses. If someone continued the hole on down all the way through the ram, the spent primers would fall out the bottom and a jar could be attached to catch them. If someone with a lathe would be interested in trying this modification, I'd volunteer my ram for a test. (If it was a ewe, several of our members would be all over it. Not to name any names...)

[carpetman]

Scrounger---If I understand your idea correctly,(idea of making the hole completely through ram of RCBS Rockchucker press so primers fall out bottom)I see problems. The compound leverage block would prevent attaching a jar or other catching device. Don't know but the primers might hit that same block and deflect all directions except into catcher???????? Buckshot might design something or the other??? Not sure where he'd put the hose clamps. Urr uhh stainless steel hose clamps,he does first rate work.

[Scrounger]

Scrounger---If I understand your idea correctly,(idea of making the hole completely through ram of RCBS Rockchucker press so primers fall out bottom)I see problems. The compound leverage block would prevent attaching a jar or other catching device. Don't know but the primers might hit that same block and deflect all directions except into catcher???????? Buckshot might design something or the other??? Not sure where he'd put the hose clamps. Urr uhh stainless steel hose clamps,he does first rate work.
I think I know what you mean. There are other ways to attach the block to the ram without running that pin all the way through it. You could also put a shallow angle on the tunnel just above that pin, and have the primer exit the front or rear of the ram.

[C1PNR]

I'm really interested in the solution to THIS issue. Man, I hate to step on a stray primer in my stocking feet (so I don't spark when I pick up the powder can). :shock:

SWMBO is even more interested (actually, it's my interest in keeping her mollified) as a lot of this activity (at least until the Garage/Shop is built) occurs in the house right next to the kitchen. :wink:

[NVcurmudgeon]

A few years ago I had to have my wire-haired terrier x-rayed. The vet had to ask me what one odd shape that turned up in the picture was. I instantly identified it as a small primer, anvil side up. Nelson had apparently picked up a dropped piece of kibble from the garage floor and slurped up the primer, too. He was not the brightest dog in the world, but very high on the nice dog list. The primer seemed to have found its way out without harm, but I still hate primers on the floor. curmudgeon

[StarMetal]

Modifying the RC to catch primers would be alot of work. Art mentioned the pin that attaches the block to the ram doesn't have to go all the way through the ram and it doesn't. Thing is that nose on the block rides up into that slot on the bottom of the ram and that to would have to be modified, which is alot of work. Far as the slot on the top of the ram, you could close that with a strip of steel and mig weld tack it in and smooth up the weld with a file. We're not talking about having to weld the entire strip so not enough heat to effect the ram. Then as Art said drill the hole all the way through the ram. I have long drill bits and can accomplish drilling the hole through the ram, but modifying that bottom end is the problem. That ram almost goes entirely up inside the presse body too. One though would be to measure the ram where it stops entirely on it's upward movement and then from either the front or rear drill an angled hole through the press body and ram to meet the hole through the center of the ram. Then a tube or hose if you will is attached to the hole and a bottle or container. Art what do you think about that? Let me know, maybe I'll I'll buy a spare ram from RCBS, notice I said buy, not say mine broke, and I'll give it a shot let you all know if it will work. Comments please on this avenue of mods.

Joe

[Scrounger]

Modifying the RC to catch primers would be alot of work. Art mentioned the pin that attaches the block to the ram doesn't have to go all the way through the ram and it doesn't. Thing is that nose on the block rides up into that slot on the bottom of the ram and that to would have to be modified, which is alot of work. Far as the slot on the top of the ram, you could close that with a strip of steel and mig weld tack it in and smooth up the weld with a file. We're not talking about having to weld the entire strip so not enough heat to effect the ram. Then as Art said drill the hole all the way through the ram. I have long drill bits and can accomplish drilling the hole through the ram, but modifying that bottom end is the problem. That ram almost goes entirely up inside the presse body too. One though would be to measure the ram where it stops entirely on it's upward movement and then from either the front or rear drill an angled hole through the press body and ram to meet the hole through the center of the ram. Then a tube or hose if you will is attached to the hole and a bottle or container. Art what do you think about that? Let me know, maybe I'll I'll buy a spare ram from RCBS, notice I said buy, not say mine broke, and I'll give it a shot let you all know if it will work. Comments please on this avenue of mods.

Sounds workable to me. I mentioned that drilling an angled hole to let the primers flow out of the ram..

Joe

[floodgate]

Carpetman, etc.:

I have one of the Rockchuckers I bought around 1980 - it still has the old green "crackle" finish - that came with the plastic version of the primer catcher, held in place with a little plastic strap that latches across the press frame behind the ram. It looks a bit cheesy, but it works fine; I've never had a primer bounce out or drop on the floor, though once in a while one will land on the frame alongside the ram, and I just flick it into the cup. I don't reload in bulk - usually only a box or two at a time (20 - 100 cases), and empty it after they're done. Midway item #145-927 at $10.69, and worth it, to me at least. Years ago, I had an old Herter's press with a slotted ram; I wedged a strip of brass at an angle into the slot, cut a notch in an old 1-lb. metal powder can to fit around and under the frame behind the ram, and the strip deflected the primers out and into the can. Again, crude, but it worked!

floodgate

[BD]

I have the same model RC as Floodgate, and I do get spent primers all over the floor which is a PITA. I really like the set up on my old Pro-Jector where the spent primers go down a brass tube on the back side of the ram. It came with a little film canister type comtainer to catch the primers, but that only holds 100 or so so I just hung a large yogurt container below the tube and that catches most all of them, and holds thousands. I think a hole down the ram which angled out the back into a tube would do the trick. The plastic thing which came with the press is a joke IMHO. BD

[StarMetal]

Bill

I had an RCBS JR press that I bought in the 60's. I loaded probably millions of rounds on it. When I was young I was obsessed with guns, reloading, and shooting. Well about in the 80's the ram was as loose as a goose. I called RCBS and they wanted the press back. So I mailed it in and they sent me one of their newer presses like the other poster here mentioned. To me it wasn't as good as the Jr so I sold it and bought a Rockchucker. Back to the story, RCBS had told me they never seen a Jr worn out that bad and asked if I had an idea of how many rounds reloaded using it. You know you have to figure how many strokes that ram makes when you concider that you resize, expand, and seat, maybe sometimes even more operations. So say you loaded 1000 rounds, that ram had to make 3000 strokes in the case of same pistol ammo reloading.

Joe

[carpetman]

Starmetal--Loaded probably millions of rounds on it. Now that's hyperbole,well ok it's modesty,we all know it was billions.

[StarMetal]

Oh hell, it was an exaggeration :lol:

Joe

[carpetman]

I just wrote RCBS an email and asked why they don't design a primer catcher vs the every other one they now have? I did mention that possibly a hole vs the slot they currently have. This might eliminate priming with the press--which would be good for them,they'd sell more of their priming devices. I told them I have read several others mention this problem in online forums. If others of you that have this complaint would also write them,might get some attention? Scrounger has already done so to deaf ears,so it might take a flood of letters.

[StarMetal]

Ray that's a good idea. RCBS has other presses like you mentioned that do have a primer catcher system. Being that their Rockchucker is a ver popular press you think they would update it to have this feature, especially since it's been copied pretty close by other press makers. I quit using the priming system on their presses years ago when I got one of their hand primers. I'll never go back to the press. Hey, that reminds me, that's an extra stroke for priming that I made on the JR that I wore out.

Joe

[BruceB]

My Lyman All-American turret press has absolutely NO method, perfect or otherwise, for catching spent primers. It simply drops them out the bottom of the shellholder to find their own way in the world.

As a result, I have a thirty-year-old habit of simply catching the old primer in my hand under the shellholder platform, and dropping it into the trashcan immediately in front of me, under the bench. Mine is a BIG trashcan....'bout the size of a 55-gallon drum.

Because of this long apprenticeship in primer-catching (graduated magna cum laude) I find it's easy to postion a finger or thumb at the bottom of my Rockchucker's ram slot to partly impede the falling primer, which (a) slows the primer so it doesn't leap over the edge with gay abandon, and (b) actually directs the primer to the area of the catcher where I want it to repose until dumping-time arrives.

To hold the damned catcher in place, I just use a yard ot two of that stretchy plastic electrical type...in RCBS GREEN, of course. It's cheap and very secure.

The RC is a dandy press, and I guess RCBS thought so too, because after the RC's arrival they dropped their REAL "Big Press".....the A-2. It's much bigger and heavier than the Rockchucker, and if I ever find one available, I'll buy it like a shot just to own it. VERY nice! I don't know if it would handle the .50 BMG, but I bet it would be pretty close. It's rare indeed to see one for sale, and I don't remember the last one I saw.

[Chargar]

I have been handloading for 45 years on a single stage press. I started with an old upstroke Pacific Super C and went to an RCBS RC about 25 years ago. I now use an RCBS A2.

The A2 is not only bigger than the RC, but is made from cast STEEL and not cast iron as is the RC. The difference in performance between the A2 and the RC is vast. Not only is the A2 much smoother but when you FL size 30-06 cases, it feels like a 38 Special case on the RC.

The A2 has a hollow ram and the spent primer goes into the ram and out a chute in the back. There is no need for a primer catcher, you just put a waste basket under the press and have at it.

When your can find one, a good A2 will go for about $200.00 these days. For what you get, that is very, very cheap, as RCBS could not make and sell these presses these day for several times that price.

The RC press looks like the A2 in some regards and is indeed a good press, but it is not near the quality and utility of the A2. RCBS brought out the RC to keep competitive in the cost area as fewer and fewer people were willing to pay the increasinglyh higher cost for the A2.

However, Nobody I know that has an A2 will sell it and folks who do have them would gladly pay the exra to replace it if necessary.

The A2 press is just a whole new level of reloading presses.

[Buckshot]

............Charger, I know the author Dean Grennell lusted after and RCBS A2 for awile and then finally scrounged one up. In a photo I have he has a little shelf built under it with a 1LB coffee can sitting there just filled with primers.

Actually cast iron (good cast iron) is an excellent material for reloading presses as the carbon or graphite normally occuring in it makes for some natural lubricity and cast iron is very rigid and also resists plastic deformation extremely well. Doesn't have the untimate tensile strength of some steels though.

I have a RC now and was very happy with it. Bought it used for $20 some 20 years ago and the ram will actualluy clunk from side to side. And I am an oiler like no tomorrow! Now I have a Forster with the automatic shellholder and central primer drop. Takes a bit to get used to feeding it from the front vs the side though.

I'd thought long and hard about the Lyman Orange Crusher but it didn't have the removeable thread adaptor the RC has.

...................Buckshot

[StarMetal]

I have a RC press and I don't think it's any effort to size a 30-06 at all. One thing is to make sure you have the cases lubed right. Cast iron is an excellent cheap material. Look at all the years they've used it for automotive engines and such. What does everyone think about Lee's new cast iron press? Anyone have one of these yet?

Joe

[omgb]

I have two presses. a RC and a Redding T7. The RockChucker is modified with something called a case kicker. I bought it maybe 20 years ago in Oregon. It replaces the primer catcher with a metal chute. On the right side of the press, a large metal flat finger is attached to one of the mounting bolts. The finger extends over the shell holder. In use, the ram is lifted ever so slightly to clear the kicker finger. A case is inserted. The ram cycled and as it returns to battery, the finger kicks the case out, down the metal chute and into a plastic box that is secured to the bench to the left of the press. This really speeds up pistol case reloading and works fairly well for rifle cases too. The T7 catches primers in a bottle at the end of a long clear plastic tube. Primers are ejected out of the case, through the shell holder and into the tube. The T7 is a much handier press, but the RC seems a great deal stronger.

[carpetman]

Got a "lip service" response from RCBS. They have a newly designed Rockchucker Supreme that does a better job of catching primers. I told them that was well and good,but how about a fix for the one that folks have already bought that doesn't work. They came back that it could not be modified. They did say it works better if catcher is full of primers.. By the time you fill it you will have primers all over the place.

[Swagerman]

Here is my home made solution to a primer catcher for the Lyman All American press. It is completely primer contained, your dog never has to slurp one up unless you spill them when emptying out the catcher.

Made from brass shim and plastic pill bottle cut off to length, knurled knob holds unit in place around shellholder.

Swagerman




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[Buckshot]

...............Cool mod! What a handy and inventive bunch!

............Buckshot

[Swagerman]

The Lyman AA primer catcher was an original idea.

But the device on the C&H 4-die primer system was kind of a stolen idea from Dillon, but it works a bit different than the Dillon.

Up stroke on the ram to die raises the catcher upward where it closes its trap and deprimes the primer in the catcher assembly, (see attached pictures) down stroke on the ram lower it back down to where it meets a camming action on the press roller linkage, thus camming it open to drop primers into little cup.

On the back of the primer catcher there is a little adjustable round head bolt/screw that one can adjust to gently fit the roller cam.

I told Dave, at C&H he could have this idea to use if he wanted it, but guess he figured the old method was OK.

Swagerman

[RugerFan]

I have used a Hornady Interlock press for years and love it. You have to invest a little in extra bushings if you want to experience the full convience advantage of this system, but I find the setup to be quite handy. Its quite a sturdy O-frame as well.

[kenjuudo]

I have a RC press and I don't think it's any effort to size a 30-06 at all. One thing is to make sure you have the cases lubed right. Cast iron is an excellent cheap material. Look at all the years they've used it for automotive engines and such. What does everyone think about Lee's new cast iron press? Anyone have one of these yet?

Joe

Joe; I've got a Lee cast iron press and am impressed with the machine work, very tight and smooth. Plenty of paw room, I have it set up for the Hornady bushings. Great for jumping back and forth between calibers, very strong press.

jim

[nevada duke]

Well, this is a Bigun. If all of you DASs would learn to use all of the fingers that the Big guy gave you, you would learn to LEAVE your thumb down there at the bottom of where the so called defective slot ends. Then, when the primer comes down the so-called defective slot, it would hit your gnarly old thumb and be softly deflected into the primer catcher. I gar-un-tee that 95% of your spent primers will end up in the catcher, and the others were meant to end up on your floors for another purpose not to be questioned by the lowly. Ifun this don't work for you, it is because your thumb is not properly broke in yet, so get a job and get some callouses on that there thumb.

Thas all I go to say on that subject, good night from Nevada duke.

[BruceB]

Good evenin', duke (I hope this ketches you afore you heads for your beauty sleep).

Now, I haveta tell you that SOME of us older gents have arrived at our advanced years with rather ...refined....thumbs 'n fingers, and no gnarlies need apply. The more-streamlined ones (like mine, f'r instance) can actually CATCH primers in mid-air underneath an All-American, and are also quite adroit at directing the dead primers in a Rockchucker, just like you "gnarly" fellers can. Did you see my post earler on this here thread?

It's really not much of a problem, just as you say. Besides, my ol' loading shed may be crummy and dusty, but by gum she's MINE and a few primers underfoot don't seem to bother me overly-much.

Hope you can make the Shoot next month???

[nevada duke]

Well Bruce, I must concede that I did not read all of the posts above word for word, and you were first as to the proper positioning of the thumb on the RC. Now I have seen your hands at work at the casting bench, and at the shooting range, and they may not be gnarly, but they ain't no girly-mans hands either. Hundreds of boolits per hour from a two-cavity mold is good work, and some of us have seen it done.

I will be honored to attend the 2005 NCBS, Curmudgeon and I are collaborating.

Best regards from Nevada duke.

[Buckshot]

.............So far as I'm concerned the main problem with not having the spent primers exit down through a hollow ram has to do with abrasive crud. This stuff is exposed to the machined bore the ram slides up and down in, in the press frame.

Now I know that even so these press lasts a long time, so is it built in obsolesence? IE, designed to wear out? I guess not in RCBS's case as it seems they'll replace it. The Lee aluminum 'O' frame press does have a passage drilled at least part way down the ram before exiting out the side, but you still have the abrasive exposed to the ram's bore.

What would I like to see? A hollow ram tube with primers ejected out the bottom just above the toggle link in a part of the ram that does not enter the body casting. The ram would be hard chromed like the strut rods on McPherson struts. The ram would be 1.5" od 4140 steel DOM seamless tube. The press body would be cast nodular iron. On the top and bottom entry of the ram into the body, there would be circular felt wipers under plastic retaining covers.

The other rotating pins and links would be hard chromed and carry Gitts ball oilers, and sealed by Delrin rings. It would be expensive to make and buy, but it would never wear out in a person's life time. Heck, it'd probably put the manufacturer out of business, because no one would ever need to buy another.

.................Buckshot

[LAH]

My first press was a Lyman All American. Still have it and use it some. Like Bruce B. I catch the primers in my hand. A primer catcher wouldn't work for me as I prime with the press.

I've used a RCBS Chucker for 30 years or so. Never had stray spent primer syndrome (SSPS). Mine fall in the standard RCBS plastic catcher, no problem. Guess I'm really different than most but I also prime with this press.

[Swagerman]

This wouldn't work on your All American??? How hard is it to twist a knob and remove the primer tray.

Swagerman

[BruceB]

My A-A is truly USED as a "turret" press.

I place a case in the shellholder, and it doesn't leave the shellholder until it's completely loaded (unless I have to install dacron, or check the charge etc.).

The case is sized, de- and re-primed (I do NOT clean primer pockets), and the turret is rotated to bring up the expanding station where the case-mouth is flared. The turret is clicked around again to bring the powder measure up, and the case is charged. Another click and the seating die is ready for use. Take the loaded round out, wipe it, and into the cartridge box with it.

As noted, I catch the spent primer in my hand, and also place the new primers individually in the priming post because I really distrust the flimsy tubes of the original push-button primer feed. The feed worked well when correctly adjusted, but it offers zero protection to the operator if a detonation should occur. IF the primer tray is conveniently located, there's very little time lost.

I never have half-"processed" brass laying around. It's either empty or loaded. I find that my method of loading with this press (now well-refined over the -Good Lord- almost FORTY years I've owned it) works extremely well, and quite rapidly in the bargain. Nice press....I wish they still made it, maybe with the single addition of a five-station turret, as there's sure plenty of room on that casting for five or even six holes. Too many holes just makes it awkward due to the necessary rotation past the empty ones when loading the way I do. Five would be just right, I think, but the four-station setup has worked exceedingly well for me..

[EDG]

I started loading with a Bair C press in 1969. I have used a Lee decapping punch to remove primers since some time in 1969. I didn't like the primer grit gettting into the ram bore so when I bought a Rockchucker in 1972 I never installed the primer arm or the primer catcher. The ram in my RC is still pretty clean and though no longer tight it is not sloppy either.
I have used the RC to form many cases. I once cracked a steel .44 Mag sizer die using it to form .444 Marlin cases heads down to use in a .303 Lee-Enfield.

[Bent Ramrod]

I started with a Pacific Super but abandoned it when I got a Corbin set to make swaged .22 bullets out of .22 shells and cast lead cores. The compound leverage of the Rockchucker helped that process enormously, and it is also the workhorse for heavy case forming and any other x-treme operations on brass or lead.

The most elegant solution to the spent primer problem is in the Bonanza (now Forster) Co-Ax, which runs primer and residue down a tube and into a jar for later emptying and removal. It's the perfect press for someone who reloads and maybe does light case forming and has to do all this in their living space, rather than a garage or shop. No mess, no fuss! And it's a fascinating piece of mechanism, too; lots of entertainment value watching it work while you pull the lever. It does take getting used to, if you're accustomed to a "sit down" operation with a C or O press. Pulling that big lever over and down feels better standing up, at least to me.

However, if you want a "BIG" press, the one to get is that O-frame that Dangerous Dave (The Old Western Scrounger) sells. It will load a 20MM round, and it looks like you can put your head between shell-holder and die.

[Willbird]

On a JR I did turn the ram around backwards, this helped somewhat, but I just gave up and hid the catcher somewhere, the primers go on the floor, I vacuam tham up now and then. Life is so much simpler when you are given the serenity to accept things you cannot change and the wisdom to know that :-)

Bill

[locutus]

Redding makes a press that has a hole all the way through and catches the primers in a jar. IIRC, the Forster-Bonanza does the same thing.

[45Dave]

I have many of the presses mentioned. I recently bought the Lee Cast Iron press that has the hollow ram and nipple onto which is affixed a large clear plastic tube that directs the primers into the trash can, coffee can, or use the plug and empty it later. The press is compound leverage and has the threaded insert on top that can be removed and replaced by the Hornady LNL unit.

I use SS presses only for very low volume reloading such as for the .45-70 and .38 WCF, using the Lee and the Bonanza. I load my .45 acp on the Dillon Square Deal, approx 300 per week, letting the primers fall into a 3 pound coffee can on the floor since I broke the mounting stem for the plastic primer catcher. Other volume reloading is on the Dillon 550B.

I tend to set up a press for one caliber and leave it that way.

[tracker]

On my RC, I put a movie ticket receipt in front of the primmer catcher and frame and that worked great. The primers now just hit the ticket and drop into the primmer catcher. A small piece of tag board would work as well. It’s a cheep low tech trick that has worked for me.

Tracker