Looking for a top notch resperator help

[BCOWANWHEELS]

Can anybody recomend a half face resperator to buy. I prefer a good brand name one like 3m or equal. Dont need a full face. Thanks for all help.
Bob

[guywitha3006]

We use the 3m 6000 series at work (I am a safety guy at a welding and metal fabrication shop). They work for weld fumes and organic solvents just fine, just make sure you have the right filter. They work well and are pretty reasonable, the only thing is they don't fit under most weld hoods, if you need that capability I believe Miller has an option.

[Jeffrey]

Is this for use while melting lead / casting boolits? If so, unless you plan on running your pot far hotter than necessary, respirators are unnecessary. A grinding shield is good to use in cse the tinsel fairy comes for a visit.

[BCOWANWHEELS]

yep while working lead

[Jeffrey]

There has been much written on this site regarding heavy metal levels in blood. I personally have been casting lead for 35 years; never with a respirator, only with adequate ventilation. In my case this has meant melting outside, not being downwind of the pot, never with any kind of elaborate exhaust hood or fan system. About 5 years ago I had myself tested for light and heavy metals: all within normal ranges. You are most likely to get lead in your body if you inhale dust from lead or its oxides, have that dust on your hands then eat or smoke, let your melting pot get over lead's 3180*F boiling point then inhale the fumes. The first two entry methods are easily avoided with proper hygiene and situational awareness. The third (3180* pot) would difficult to achieve if you tried. If you want to wear a dust mask, go for it. A respirator for lead fumes is unnecessary and a waste of money. Some people here wear leather welding and grinding PPE for protection against the tinsel fairy. "Tinsel fairy" is when water gets under the surface of the molten lead, undergoes violent expansion into steam, blowing molten lead throughout the area. You are fairly new here. Go to the "Classics and Stickies" section. Enter under "Search Forum": tinsel fairy. After reading about that, check out the rest of the threads there. Those threads have been placed there because they contain especially useful information. You are far more likely to get 1st and 2nd degree burns casting boolits than you are to get a blood lead level.

[Hossfly]

^^^what he said. Tinsel fairy not nice.

[BCOWANWHEELS]

I still want a resperator. I have enough health issues as it is. but all imput is very welcome.
regards

[Grmps]

Have a big fan drawing the fumes away from you
How to cast bullets out of scrap lead with champion shooter Jerry Miculek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSgQ82Kqhzo

With casting you can get away with a smaller fan or, I cast inside with a hood vent (that vents outside) that removes all the fumes except a little smoke (not lead fumes) escapes when I flux the pot.

I smelt outside with a fan.

[BCOWANWHEELS]

I,ve casted before when i was young making sinkers and jigs. Dad was a cable splicer and used lead in his job. I still have 3 plumbers furnaces he used but i prefer propane for convience. He never used a mask but always used virgin lead. I have ww and range scrap, about 2k lbs.

[opos]

I'll give you my personal information...mine only....I have advanced COPD, asthma and a Hemi-diaphrgm which means 1/2 of my diaphragm is paralized so only one lung is functional...my pulmonologist..a top one...has indicated that while many people cast lead items..she would not advise it for me...I shoot lead from a commercial caster and am extremely careful to wear a 3m mask and watch my hygene...

[BCOWANWHEELS]

What mask do you wear

[BCOWANWHEELS]

Well i,ve done tons of rescherch on resperators. 3m makes the best ones. Within a couple days i,ll post cheapest place to buy, part numbers for everything. And contact info. Regardless of folks thoughts about this its too important of issue to assume or neglect imo. Yes indoors or out you need a mask imo. Seems a quality mask, filters and shipping is right at 100 bucks. More to come asap.
Bob

[guywitha3006]

Bob what mask are you going with? You should be able to get a half face respirator and some cartridges for a lot closer to $20 then $100. You should only need the pink p100 particulate filters.

[glockfan]

i use a 7503 3M half face with P100 filter.best value to me.
http://www.kingsafetynet.com/newproducts/resperatoryprotection/3m/6b.jpg

[BCOWANWHEELS]

Theres 2 different things a mask must do. Lead dust and the vapors comming off cookiing lead. Both are highly toxic. Even 1 breath has to have effects. I,am not looking for the cheapest way around these toxins but rather the best abatement available as its my health its saving. Going to disscuss this with 3m rep in next couple days then i,ll post what he tells me. He said he advises lots of fishermen and bullit casters.

[Beagle333]

I called the rep at 3M and they recommended this one for smelting. I wasn't so much worried about just lead, but all of the other nasties in the wheel weight bucket, but the rep said this was good for handling old powdery lead or cutting lead with a machine or melting and pouring it for making bullets or weights or anchors.
I only wear it when wear it when smelting and making alloys, but not when I'm casting my clean ingots, but so far my blood levels have never been above a 2. So I'd recommend this one.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-Medium-Lead-Paint-Removal-Respirator-62093HA1-C/202080148

[Greg S]

The major player in this arket are North, Wilson and 3M. I prefer North, as Wilson and 3M are wider at the nose bridge and interfer with my line of sight. I wear a half and full face respirators alot spraying industrial coatings and doing lead abatement.

[glockfan]

Theres 2 different things a mask must do. Lead dust and the vapors comming off cookiing lead. Both are highly toxic. Even 1 breath has to have effects. I,am not looking for the cheapest way around these toxins but rather the best abatement available as its my health its saving. Going to disscuss this with 3m rep in next couple days then i,ll post what he tells me. He said he advises lots of fishermen and bullit casters.



when i've bought my 7503,the 3m rep was on the store floor (praxair) and HE advised the 7503,more importantly, the filters...he said that the P100 has been designed for people like us playing with lead both melted , and the dust as well.

he told me that ''if you can smell it,it means you ingest some ''''. the P100 are doin their job,because when i remove the mask, i can smell the scent i 'm trying to avoid.
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[BCOWANWHEELS]

Guys your overlooking the eyes there windows to your insides.

[guywitha3006]

One more thing to think about is you will need to be baby butt smooth clean shaven for the respirator to work correctly. If any hair or stuble breaks the seal it doesn't matter how good the package says it is. In the industrial setting we do annual fit test to confirm the respirator to face seal.

[Beagle333]

Guys your overlooking the eyes there windows to your insides.

You said you wanted half face. Didn't need full face.

[BrassMagnet]

I still want a resperator. I have enough health issues as it is. but all imput is very welcome.
regards

There is nothing wrong with having a respirator!
However, the majority of lead exposure comes from tumbling brass!

[LabGuy]

Well, all faces are different. Unfortunately to be truly effective you need to do a fit test. Different brands fit differently. When I has to use one routinly we found the the MSA fit my face the best.

[BCOWANWHEELS]

yep, I,am clean shaven

[BCOWANWHEELS]

I wet tumble with pins

[Grmps]

Find a cartridge type face mask that fits you well then find the cartridges that protect against what you are doing.

Is there an Industrial safety store near you that you can go and try masks on and ask their opinion?

[dbosman]

I agree but add the decap area as well. For any disbelievers (newbies, not the majority of folks here) purchase some lead test swabs from the hardware store and swab the decap and tumbling table or floor. Normally one gets bad news.


There is nothing wrong with having a respirator!
However, the majority of lead exposure comes from tumbling brass!

[dbmjr1]

My lead levels are elevated, but not enough to be too much of a concern.

I discussed all of this with my Doctor.

I now wear nitrile gloves when ever I'm working out in my shop. No respirator required. I tumble all of my brass outside.

I strongly suspect that handling tumbled brass is the cause of my elevated condition, and that next year I'll test lower levels in my blood due to the gloves.

[gpidaho]

As a matter of interest to me, Federal is going to change over to a new formula of lead free primers. This should help out with the lead exposure from the use of a dry media brass tumbler. Gp

[glockfan]

As a matter of interest to me, Federal is going to change over to a new formula of lead free primers. This should help out with the lead exposure from the use of a dry media brass tumbler. Gp

is this is the new primer compound called ''catalyst'''?

it's already in the issued ammunition of some LEA's. it's gonna cut drastically into the ''' lead contamination '''' factor , that is for sure.

[Hossfly]

Glockfan what does LEA’s stand for ???

[glockfan]

Glockfan what does LEA’s stand for ???

Law Enforcement Agency

[Hossfly]

Got it thanks.

[BCOWANWHEELS]

heres what I bought from pk supply



3M 7500 Series Half Facepiece Respirator

SKU: MMM01-7503
SizeLarge 1 $29.99


3M 7093 P100 Particulate Filter (Pair)

SKU: MMM01-7093
2 $14.04






Uvex Stealth Goggles S396

SKU: UVE01-S3960C
Lens Color Clear 1 $13.65

[tankgunner59]

+1 Jeffrey, I worked at a steel wheel manufacturer for over 20 years as a submerged arc welder. None of us ever had a bad test result. We had fans but we were inside. As Jeffrey said I smelt, flux and pour outside and have had no problems.

[BCOWANWHEELS]

submerged has no fumes

[GregLaROCHE]

I am recently retired and my generation was probably the last to not really follow new guide lines for safety because we grew up differently. However, now there is a lot of proof that the guide lines make sense.

Lead blood levels seem to be the highest with those who collect range scrap and those who shot in indoor ranges. There’s a lot of lead in primers and if the indoor rage doesn’t have enough ventilation shooters can ingest lead. I do both, shoot indoors and collect range scrap.

Before I didn’t know the possible risks of lead. As a kid, like others, I kept crimp on sinkers for fishing in my mouth.

I pushed the limits collecting scrap and melted it into ingots and then cast boolits. Sometimes there was a breeze,but not always. My blood sample came out almost off the chart. My doctor said I should be in a hospital.

Lead has a half life of 25 days. That means an average body can reduce lead blood levels buy half each 25 days. I am waiting for my recent tests results.

I now use latex gloves when reloading. I have a respirator for melting range scrap and casting and a high quality particulate mask for range scrap. It’s from an indoor range and I sweep it into piles and then shovel it into buckets.

As far as the lead fumes, the filter is just charcoal. I hope it does it’s job.

This is something that is not talked about much, but is very important. How many of you have had your blood tested for lead? It’s not tested in the normal blood sample your doctors have you do each six to twelve months. You normally have to ask for it.

Well enough preaching. A word to the wise is sufficient!

[BCOWANWHEELS]

your post is eye opening, thanks

[GregLaROCHE]

When I bought my respirator, the salesman told me that when I wasn’t using it, to keep it in a Ziplock bag. Once you open the package of filters the charcoal starts reacting with whatever is in the environment. Even if you aren’t breathing through it. If you keep in sealed up in a plastic bag, the filters will last many times longer.

Also, I have a high lead level. I am sure tumbling brass can be a big factor for some, however,
I never tumble my brass. I just rinse it in citric acid. The lead is everywhere in what we do.

[BCOWANWHEELS]

yes on bagging it also suck the air out b4 you seal it up

[popper]

Pure lead does NOT get absorbed through the skin (or the lungs!) only through the digestive tract. It can cause neurological and bone problems. Elimination is slight but vitamin C increases the elimination. Oxides of other stuff as well as Pb are toxic.