feebay

[shotman]

i know 45 dont like things posted about ebay i dont like them myself BUT the fact is there are thousands that use it and i think we should open a place to tell our people about something that they may want to bid on I dont go there much now but sometimes { as most here do} its interesting -------in that note here is something that you 45-70 shooters may look at auction No 170256992606 it is a heavy BOOLIT shotman

[357maximum]

I am officially voting AGAINST such a travesty. I'll keep the rest of my comments to myself.

[NSP64]

I look on fee bay once in a while. But since they banned most reloading / gun parts I haven't bought anything. All of my stuff has been purchased either from fellow members here or locally.

[Bret4207]

Posting Ebay links in the Swapping forum is verboten. Posting as notice here is kosher. Ebay still sells lots or gun stuff. They might say they've banned sales of gun parts and reloading gear, but there was 20 some pages of gun stuff the other night when I looked. The $$$ wins out.

For those who hate their anti-gun stance, I agree. But what would be more interesting would be a list of who is related to whom in the business world. For instance- I just found out rabid anti-gunner/Socialist George Soros has a huge bite of Progressive Insurance (IIRC). Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan Communist Dictator seized or otherwise acquired Citgo oil. I'm far less inclined to do business with a Communist or Soros than to buy a tax free item off Ebay I can't find anywhere else from a person who probably just needs the money and isn't trying to make a political statement.

[Boerrancher]

I am indifferent to feebay. I try not to use them, because of the following reasons:

1. anti gun stance
2. Fees are too high
3. Most items are bid up by the seller using a second account to the point where you can buy a new one cheaper.
4. After the seller runs up the price on the item using his/her second account, you then have to take it up the backside because of the shipping and handling costs the seller adds to the price to make up for all of the excess fees that Feebay charges to list an item.

Thanks but No thanks. I will buy off this site from our members or buy it new from a dealer. Only as a last resort will I go to FeeBay.

Best wishes from the Boer Ranch,

Joe

[10-x]

Fellas, "fleabay", "feebay", "greedbay" or what other name it's called may have killed themselves.........
As of October this year the ONLY payment method is going to be their own paypal......and paypal SUX big time.:twisted:
Buyers can ask sellers if they accept "other" forms of payment but thats not going to be the norm.
Now you can call me old fashioned ,or out of touch( I've been called worse) but I do not like this electronic payment business. Puts your info out there for to many bad guys to see. You have to give them your credit card or bank info to open an account.
Plus the "bonus"for using paypal is they HOLD your money for 21 days, and the buyer can easily tell paypal they "never received" the item, file a charge back, get their money back and keep the item!
Now I know many of you all don't like AuctionArms or For The Hunt , but they are way better than feebay IMHO.

[jawjaboy]

There is a new auction site that encourages and supports casters, reloaders, and the shooting community. Small, but growing. Trigger Mountain Auctions. Fees range from free to minimal cost. You can even support CastBoolits as they are already on the list for referral fees when anyone signs up. I see it as a step in the right direction. A win/win for us and CastBoolits. Take a look if you will, see what you think. Just my 2 cents.


http://triggermountain.com/

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[ANeat]

+1 on the trigger mountain auction site.

Its just starting out so participation by us shooters/reloaders/casters will determine its success.

There are options out there

[craig110]

I agree on TMA looking like a good win-win for everyone.

[mooman76]

If someone wants to buy on ebay, fine. That's up to them but why should we post here to drive the prices up even more? I do happen to buy there occationally and that is up to me also. If they are looking for something they should take the initiative to look. I'm sure everyone here knows about ebay already!

[Adam10mm]

Definitely hit up Trigger Mountain. I've spoken with the owner personally and can tell you he is as pro gun as they come. There's even an NFA category!

[Shiloh]

I am indifferent to feebay. I try not to use them, because of the following reasons:

1. anti gun stance
2. Fees are too high
3. Most items are bid up by the seller using a second account to the point where you can buy a new one cheaper.
4. After the seller runs up the price on the item using his/her second account, you then have to take it up the backside because of the shipping and handling costs the seller adds to the price to make up for all of the excess fees that Feebay charges to list an item.

Thanks but No thanks. I will buy off this site from our members or buy it new from a dealer. Only as a last resort will I go to FeeBay.

Best wishes from the Boer Ranch,

Joe

These are my sentiments exactly.

I have bid on E-Bay auctions. Won some, lost many times more. I only bid on items that had :
1. reasonable shipping
2. That could be purchased or won for no more than 70% of a new item, shipping inclusive.

I have done well on the items received and never got burned. I got an eyepiece for my Kowa spotting scope for half of what a new one was. Almost new, in the box, mint condition, and a stock for my Krag rifle that was in excellent shape and refinished wonderfully!!

When E-Bay went anti-gun and eliminated most thing reloading or parts, I stopped. My last doings with Ebay was Sept 2007. A full 80% of my E-Bay dealings
was reloading or gun-parts. What a shame. Deals could be had if one was patient and didn't "Have to have it now"

Shiloh

[dromia]

I used to be signed on to them as a buyer only. Changed my ISP and went in to change my profile details with my new email address.

They wanted my Credit Card details to allow me to do that, they hadn't had my credit card details to sign up so why would they want them to change my email address.

That was over two years ago and I haven't visited them since.

To be honest I found it quiet debilitating having to wade through the worlds rubbish to find the odd thing that might interest me.

What I don't want to do is come to Cast Boolits to discuss ebay sales. If thats what people want to do then there is a place for that and its called ebay.

[imashooter2]

I have no issues with buying and selling on eBay. I am adamantly opposed to board members listing links to their eBay auctions. If you don't want to sell it here, don't advertise it here.

This is in no way intended to discourage the traditional "Look at this! Are these people insane?" posts of links to $340 still in production molds.

[Echo]

[QUOTE=Boerrancher;391285]I am indifferent to feebay. I try not to use them, because of the following reasons:

1. anti gun stance -
I don't see it. There are tons of gun-related stuff on Ebay. I'm sorry they stopped allowing bullets and cases to be sold, but that doesn't mean they are anti-gun (they may be!).

2. Fees are too high
We pay for service. We can't expect everything to come to us with no expense on our part. IMHO, their fees are OK.

3. Most items are bid up by the seller using a second account to the point where you can buy a new one cheaper.
Wrong. Most items ARE NOT bid up by a shill account. And if they were, so what? Bid what the item is worth to you - if you win, good. If not, no loss.

4. After the seller runs up the price on the item using his/her second account, you then have to take it up the backside because of the shipping and handling costs the seller adds to the price to make up for all of the excess fees that Feebay charges to list an item.

Wrong again. The cost of shipping is shown, and should be added to your bid price to come up to your total cost. If one doesn't want to pay their exorbitant shipping and handling fee, one may contact the seller to explore cheaper methods. If no joy, they may FO.

I own no stock in Ebay, &cetera. I use them, and have sometimes paid more than I should have, but have gotten some good buys. And I take all the responsibility for my errors.

And I am against an Ebay thread.

[anachronism]

What's wrong with Auction Arms? I've sold quite a bit from there, and have never had a problem. Also, I recognize a lot of names from Cast Boolits that have purchased from me on AA.

[montana_charlie]

I 'window shop' on eBay frequently, but not every day. When I'm there, I am usually looking in specific areas, and anything 'good' I see would probably be interesting to another caster.

For example, there is a seller who is (and has been) selling 50/50 lead/tin for some very reasonable prices.

Threads like this one...threads that show a strong aversion to the site, a dislike for the site's policies, and/or a distrust of the integrity of the sellers...make me hesitant to share those 'juicy finds' when I do run across them.

All of the 'dislike' makes me wonder how many would click on a link like this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140264101346&ssPageName=MERC
OSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX&refitem=130250557254&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_
item&refwidgettype=osi_widget&_trksid=p284.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSI%26its%3DI%252B
IA%26itu%3DCR%252BIA%252BUCI%26otn%3D4%26ps%3D42

It would put 10 pounds of 50/50 in your hand for less than three bucks per pound, and since it'a a Buy It Now sale, even Boerrancher should feel safe from dishonesty...maybe.
CM

[Meatco1]

I have little use for Ebay, and hate to see items for sale there, posted here.

Richard

[sniper]

[QUOTE=Shiloh;391335]These are my sentiments exactly.

I have bid on E-Bay auctions. Won some, lost many times more. I only bid on items that had :
1. reasonable shipping
2. That could be purchased or won for no more than 70% of a new item.

Shiloh speaks wisdom!

Do your homework, set your limits, don't go past NO MATTER WHAT!

I watched a bidding war on a couple of items...one that went to~$21, iirc, for two poor-quality copied pages of instructions for making a ghllie suit! I got mine for $2.25 with shipping.

Another fellow paid $277 for a model airplane kit. I asked him why, and he said no reason...except it was one his dad had built many years ago. Hey, if he had the dough...good for him!

There are many sharpies, but mostly good folks. And they sometimes have stuff you never see elsewhere. I have only been burned a couple of times... never major $$$, and most of the stuff I have bid on is as good or better than described.

Those that charge extortionate shipping get a polite inquiry, and alternate suggestion, and a quick "delete" if they won't talk reasonably.

Trigger Mountain will get my attention...after all, anything that is "For the Week-End Warrior in all of us" is bound to be good, Right ?:mrgreen:

[mtnman31]

I have a love-hate relationship with fleabay.

Over the years I have gotten some amazing deals and have yet to be burned on a buy. I agree that it is far too easy for shill bidders to drive up the cost of their own sale items. Ed, buyers bidding on their own items does have an adverse affect in the long run. While I may not bid on it because it's price has exceeded my own limits, others may bid on it and in the end the item will end up selling for more than it would have had it not been shill bid up. Over time, bidders will see that similar items are going for that higher amount and in turn the end prices are artificially driven up. eBay has made it easier for shill bidders to operate by hiding the identities of the bidders. Shill bidding is just plain old dishonest.

As a seller I have not sold too much. When I have sold, I felt their rates were excessive. If you accept Paypal you get shafted twice - once on your listing fees and then again when Paypal takes its cut. You could go ahead and not accept Paypal, but many sellers have seen that when selling similar items, the items that accept Paypal will end at a higher amount.

Though, eBay sucks, I still use them. I will say that my eBay activity has declined drastically since they instituted their ridiculous ban on shooting items such as brass, bullets, and other gun parts. Anymore, it seems like the only time I make a buy is when a seller has a listing that is under the radar because it was improperly listed. I have passed on a lot of nice items because the seller had some ridiculous shipping fees and was not willing to be reasonable.

I have some uneeded M-2 50 BMG parts that I kick myself for not selling on eBay before thier policy change. I know that I could have gotten hundreds for them on eBay. Sure I could put them on Gunbroker or AA, but the bottom line is that eBay has a much greater "audience" and I would have sold them for much more on eBay.

[Scrounger]

Thanks for posting that, Easy Ed. I find the ignorance displayed in these "Ebay and PayPal are anti-gun" threads appalling, given the intelligence displayed in other posts here. If they were truly "anti-gun", they would not allow ANY gun related material, even books or posters. It is simply a business owner deciding for himself (he does have that right) what to allow in his place of business. No more evil than a Candy Store owner deciding not to open a Liquor department. I believe the fear of lawsuits is what induces them to not allow guns, ammunition, etc, and that even overrides the normal (?) ration of greed every business man has. And some of the tactical decisions of what to ban or allow shows the normal (there's that word again) ignorance and bad decision making of any very large corporation wherein the actual decision is made by low level workers with no intelligence to spare and no knowledge at all about guns and accessories. AuctionArms and GunBroker are large, popular websites and I'm happy enough to use them to sell guns. But for scopes and accessories they cannot come close to getting the number of viewers- and bidders- that Ebay brings you. And the little start-up wannabe auction sites that occasionally someone pimps on here, are a joke; which would you rather have, 50 viewers a day looking at your for sale item or 50,000? Heck, if you don't care how much you get for it, or even if you sell it at all, just donate it to the forum here.

[EDK]

I go to eBay for bullet moulds and other items on a regular basis. I also look in the classifieds here and on other forums. I formerly bought brass the same way.

I look for new web sites/auctions, but I'm not the most computer literate person and am probably missing a lot of options. Maybe we need to put up more links to appropriate sites.

I will refer someone in a thread to an auction site if permitted. Sharing information is one of the reasons to be here.

:Fire::cbpour::redneck:

[montana_charlie]

I have little use for Ebay, and hate to see items for sale there, posted here.

Richard
But, I see you can bring yourself to promote eBay when it suits you...

Here is Charlies address at eBay. He sells the gas check maker kit, and is a good guy to deal with.

http://myworld.ebay.com/codarnall?&ssPageName=ADME:X:CEM:US:1181

Richard


CM

[Down South]

I use Flebay every once in a blue moon. What better way to treat anti gunners than buying gun related stuff from their site.

[Idaho_Elk_Huntr]

i know 45 dont like things posted about ebay i

I really respect the man for it. It is also one of many things that really attracted me to this site.

I hate to see ebay links and if it did happen people would be posting their own auction links. I know Im fairly new here but I say Hell NO! If it happens I will find me a new spot t hang out

[Bret4207]

What's wrong with Auction Arms? I've sold quite a bit from there, and have never had a problem. Also, I recognize a lot of names from Cast Boolits that have purchased from me on AA.

Nothings wrong with AA, but following the kine of thinking of some members here I shouldn't buy my tractor/chainsaw/machine parts or my books, clothing, tools from there either.

Gets complex, eh?

[RustyFN]

I am officially voting AGAINST such a travesty. I'll keep the rest of my comments to myself.
I'm with you all the way. Check out the Trigger Mountain. It's a new site and will help fund sites like this one. The link is in my sig line.
Rusty

[10-x]

Hey Fellas,
I did'nt say there is anything wrong with AA or FTH. I've had better luck dealing on both than on feebay as the people are more honest.
OTOH I've seen some posters here that simply said they did'nt like one or the other for some reason????
One has to remember ,IT'S AN AUCTION, someone may outbid you.
OH ,BTW, FTH has the anti sniping 10 minute rule which is good for keeping things a little more honest/fair?[smilie=1:

[shotman]

well i didnt mean to open a can of fish hooks But they ARE No 1 anti gun No 2 fees are bad No 3 if you dont buy and sell by Pay Pal [oh its not oct its now] you cant buy or sell BUTthe thing is, there are MANY thousands that sell there and there is stuff that sells cheap and high I have bought and sold there several years. I learned to SNIPE that is the only way to beat the sellers that have the 5 to 10 accounts [and feebay has made it harder to tell them] I got a $500 settlement in the law suit about 3 years ago when they were bidding up the price. last week i got a H&G 4 cav mold that looks to be unused for $50 I sold a mec 9000g 2 weeks ago for $400 . So it is good /bad another site is Ammoamerica NOfees right now but all of us needs to spread the word about these other sites. Ok put the fish hooks back in can shotman

[Meatco1]

Montana Charlie:

Trying to start an argument? Find someone else to pick it with.

I have little use for ebay, but the only way Charlie sells his Gas Check maker, is thru eBay.

If you're really bored, you can feel free to read thru all my old posts, but I've got better things to do, than pour thru old posts of yours.

Richard

[EDG]

"Shill bidding is just plain old dishonest."

Shill bidding is illegal. Fraud by the internet is a federal offense. It is electronically detectable to some extent by ebay and a frequent shill bidder takes a huge risk for little gain.
I have gotten many good deals on items there that you might not find anywhere else.
Due to the fees I do not sell there anymore but I still buy when I get a good deal.

Due to the every large number of viewers when you have something desirable and rare to sell you will be amazed what those items will bring. Then you can use the extra cash to buy more shooting stuff just to spite ebay.

[tanstafl10]

IMHO Cast Boolits should stay away from ebay. That allows everyone to have their own choice.

I really think any association w/ ebay would cheapen Cast Boolits. Just my thoughts!

[tanstafl10]

See what I mean, Post 23 and 30........ ?

[Just Duke]

Thanks for posting that, Easy Ed. I find the ignorance displayed in these "Ebay and PayPal are anti-gun" threads appalling, given the intelligence displayed in other posts here. If they were truly "anti-gun", they would not allow ANY gun related material, even books or posters. It is simply a business owner deciding for himself (he does have that right) what to allow in his place of business. No more evil than a Candy Store owner deciding not to open a Liquor department. I believe the fear of lawsuits is what induces them to not allow guns, ammunition, etc, and that even overrides the normal (?) ration of greed every business man has. And some of the tactical decisions of what to ban or allow shows the normal (there's that word again) ignorance and bad decision making of any very large corporation wherein the actual decision is made by low level workers with no intelligence to spare and no knowledge at all about guns and accessories. AuctionArms and GunBroker are large, popular websites and I'm happy enough to use them to sell guns. But for scopes and accessories they cannot come close to getting the number of viewers- and bidders- that Ebay brings you. And the little start-up wannabe auction sites that occasionally someone pimps on here, are a joke; which would you rather have, 50 viewers a day looking at your for sale item or 50,000? Heck, if you don't care how much you get for it, or even if you sell it at all, just donate it to the forum here.

I will have to agree with Scrounger.
But remember this company hails for a sue happy state and wife being a former Attorney says they are for sure just covering their ****.
I will never live in the state they hail from even though the state in question has jobs that offered me 3 times what I have ever made in my life span.


I will not sell on ebay.




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[montana_charlie]

IMHO Cast Boolits should stay away from ebay. That allows everyone to have their own choice.

I really think any association w/ ebay would cheapen Cast Boolits. Just my thoughts!



See what I mean, Post 23 and 30........ ?
But, then...

We need a thick skin if we open ourselves up to asking questions/opinions.. we may not always like the answers.

[pumpguy]

Ebay is simply a creature of market forces. If you do not like their stand on guns, fees, payment methods, etc., don't use their services. I used to frequent them looking for good deals on brass. Now I don't. I bought an old Marlin catalog on there the other day and that was my first purchase in months. I dissolved my Paypal account because of the fees, etc. If I want something now and they will not take a check or MO, I don't bid. Ultimately, you have the choice to use them or not. My sister works at Paypal and I can assure you, they don't care if we use them or not.

[C1PNR]

I use evilbay from time to time. Shucks, I just bought a nice old bayonet for my M1 Carbine, and I'm still looking for a decently priced stock.

I don't particularly like their politics, and the only way I do support them is with my occasional purchases there. But there are some pitfalls at AA as well.

Like, maybe I'm looking for a particular item and I go to AA to see if I can find it. The problem arises when I notice a 1950's Marlin 36 in 30-30. I just don't care for the round bolt Marlins, but an old flat side, well, that's different. The price isn't bad, so what the heck, I didn't find what I came looking for so why not put in a modest bid.[smilie=1:

Now, all of a sudden, I've got to explain to SWMBO why the BBT is stopping by, AGAIN!!:Fire:

[DLCTEX]

I don't understand the statement that it is PayPal only on Ebay now. I went there today and many of the sellers will take a Mo, check, etc. I have sold on Ebay in the past and found the prices received better than I could have gotten anywhere else, selling everything from spot welders, lathe parts,molds, brass, reloading equipment, etc. Their fees are way cheaper than our local auction companies, who get 25-30% and I've made excellent profit from items bought at our local auctions. I prefer to buy from members here, as I am assured of honesty (although I have never had a bad deal with Ebay), and usually prices are cheaper here than Ebay. Reloading equipment and components have gone up even on Ebay. DALE

[tanstafl10]

MC

Wondered whether you would go and find that statement... lots of free time, eh?? LOL

[hershey]

guys e-bay has its place in the market place, maybe not so much for us shooters, but it does. my best example is i had an old chainsaw that i put on there, my description was i am tired of tripping over this in my barn, does anyone else want to trip over it for a while? $760 later i sold a chain saw, turns out it was super collectable, i use it allot for stuff like that, then yes i usually use the money in paypal for reloading stuff on both the boards and evil-bay, convenience is my main reason i use it, i needed a lee shell holder that got lost, i did the deal in under a minute on e-bay, very quick.

[crowbeaner]

Just for grins, I went through the motions of listing something of mine for sale on gunbroker to see what the fees would be for the item if it sold. $10.13. The same item listed on feebay for $3.25. You may be able to absorb a 300% price difference for selling an item, but my disability check only goes so far. I hate like hell to buy or sell on feebay, but if I can afford it, and it can be bought for less money there, I do it. I'd MUCH rather deal with GB or AA, but the cost just drives me away. When GB can list things REASONABLY I'll give them my small bit of business. Yes, I know that the billionaire that owns feebay is antigun, but he's made his money; I'm trying to get the most out of what I have to work with. I DO NOT use paypal; I'm not going to give him more by using his feepay.

[PatMarlin]

Since when, unless a seller requests it, are you forced to use PayPal on ebay?.. :confused:

For the uniformed PayPal doesn't cost you a dime unless you sell with PayPal, not buy.

PayPal really used to suck, but let me tell you- they have got their act together now. They are fair with transaction problems to both seller and buyer, and you get them on the phone pronto.

With my business, they went from the worst to number one. I have more trouble with my standard credit card merchant account now.

Ebay is a great market place. You have to learn it, which is not difficult. With the price of fuel internet sales is paramount. Ebay can be a good deal for many items.

The evil PayPal/ebay internet controversy is a joke IMO.

[357maximum]

The evil PayPal/ebay internet controversy is a joke IMO.



[smilie=b:

[Shiloh]

E-Bay still has some gun related stuff posted but parts, brass, magazines are no more.
I saw some stocks there a few days ago.

Without magazines, parts, and brass, I now use GunBroker. There is no reason to bid at E-Bay for me. That was most of my dealings.

Shiloh

[Jon]

I haven't had any problems with paypal, but I can understand not wanting to lose the 2-3% they take for a cut.

I really hate that they won't allow brass or mags or most any other gun parts on there for that matter now.

[dromia]

Paypal from my experience is the cheapest and easiest way to send funds abroad.

If it wasn't for paypal it would be lot more difficult for me to participate in any of the GBs and sales on this board.

Paypal I don't have grief with.

[PatMarlin]

I think it is as with many things. People don't take the time to find out what costs are etc., read a few blurps posted on the internet, then make a half educated decision.

I don't have a problem with a company like eBay that decided to limit what firearm related items they want to advertise. It's their right as a business to do so. Walmart in California decided not to sell guns anymore. Am I going to cut off my nose spite my face and not shop there becasue of it?

You can use PayPal to buy a firearm. You can use PayPal on Gunbroker if the seller accepts it.

These ineffective efforts to limit gun control is best spent elsewhere. To each his own.

[GabbyM]

Merritt of ebay and other auction sites aside.
I'd think it obvious to all how this site could become cluttered with self serving post from individuals promoting their products for sale without paying castboolits any add fees. This all taking up our time and bandwidth to wade through.

Another small auction site. http://www.reloadersauction.com/