SAECO Mould #050

[BZimm]

I want you folks to know that I have looked and looked for a reference to SAECO mould numbers and I have come here as a rookie because I don't want to lose an opportunity to buy an older four cavity mould. The seller and I are having a conversation and they have placed all the appropriate qualifiers on the sale and I'm right there want to pull the trigger......but now I have to ask:

The mould in question is a four cavity unit that will come with handles. There are few (almost none) indentifying marks or numbers on it except "050", and the seller seems to know that it is a SAECO mould. The Redding site references a 052 and 053 mould as slightly different wadcutters, but does not reference a 050. I did find one old obscure posting on a Pensylvannia firearms site that was selling bullets produced from a SAECO 050. Other than that.....nuthin'.

The seller says that a very similar Ohaus 2 cavity mould throws a 148gr pill, but we're not sure of the weight that this 050 mould will cast. So....

Can someone help this rookie out a little? Maybe shove me toward some old SAECO mould numbers that I can't seem to find? Or maybe even someone has a SAECO 050 in their casting inventory and can supply me with empirical data.

What I want to do is cast 38cal. projectiles to load and shoot in my S&W Model 28 4"bbl. (and other 38/357 treasures) And I think a good solid wadcutter style would be a good mould to have. :???:

Please and Thank You,

BZimm

[Hick]

best bet is simply to cast a few and measure them

[wv109323]

The H&G No.50 is a 148 gn. wadcutter with a small nose. It has 3 rounded grease grooves and 1 crimp groove. H&G was so dominant in molds their mold numbers were used by other manufacturers.

[runfiverun]

the 50 is also the most known and available mold they made.
so they don't command 'premium' or 'vintage' prices.
so don't be spending 200$ for no 4 cavity mold, even if it's new in box, signed by both Hensley and Gibbs and their signatures are gold filled.

[OS OK]

H & G made the #50 cast in .356 & .358" for auto's and revolvers...thing 'is'...which one?
If you are a PC'er it prolly wouldn't matter.

Here's their chart...

http://www.hensleygibbs.com/casting/hgmoldchart.htm

[Petrol & Powder]

How does the current owner "Know" it is a SAECO mold?
I tend to agree that it may be an actual H&G.

[jsizemore]

How does the current owner "Know" it is a SAECO mold?
I tend to agree that it may be an actual H&G.

H&G 8 cavity uses nutcracker style handles and saeco uses tong style. At least all the ones I've seen. I've got a San Diego and Murphy H&G #50. Both are marked 50 not 050.

[Petrol & Powder]

Yes, but we don't know what the OP is looking at.

[jsizemore]

Just trying to help ID. I reread his OP and see it's a 4 cavity. Both use tong style handles but the sprue plate pivots by #1 (or#4) cavity on a H&G and Saeco is between #2 & 3. None of my Saeco's has a groove across the tops of the sprue holes. Every H&G 4 cavity I have does. Maybe this will help him determine what he's actually looking at. I agree with R5R that $200 is a lot for a H&G 50.

[BZimm]

Yeah, I sent the guy 85 bucks. We'll see how I did. Thank you though for all the wisdom. Umm....but no listing of Saeco numbers stashed away somewhere?

BZimm

[Echo]

Eighty-five for a 4-cav 50 with handles is a good buy...

[BZimm]

And boy do I like it. I have no experience to back up my opinion, but mechanically I think this thing is in pretty good shape.

Given some time and enough reading, I expect to put this mould to good use. I know assigning an age to these things can be tricky, but offhand I don't think this SAECO is recently made. Any wisdom on this thing?

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BZimm

[NoZombies]

I missed this earlier, but for future clarification, While Saeco "borrowed" some designs and designations from H&G, they added a precursor "0" to the design number, making the "050" design, or the "068" design etc.

[Forrest r]

Looks like a saeco mold with h&g handles to me.

[toallmy]

Scrub it up real good , take a good look at it , do some adjustments , then have at it . It Looks good

[quasi]

it looks like new to me. Saeco's are almost as good as H&G's ,maybe as good.