Doin' The Happy Dance Here!!!

[PatMarlin]

Took the day off, and got a new (new to me) scope for my Marlin 45-70 Guide Gun, so I thought I'd sight her in with my first time using Mil Surp powder, and a Lee mold, that I had cast up last year, but never used.

This was 38 grns if IMR 4895 with the Lee 340gr (No GC) boolit, 50 yrds out my back door.

After sight in- First three shots placed 1 ragged circular hole, and I got real excited, and thought Hmmmm... I can't stop at 3, and need to got to 5. So the last two shots opened up of course, but I don't care... noooo- this is some shootin' and I can't weight to go 100yds..... woohoo [smilie=w:

[PatMarlin]

My Pride and Joy-

Dont' get much better than this unless your a rich man of course... :mrgreen:

[castalott]

That's some nice shooting! Well done, sir!

You gotta love that 4895.... It's gooooood stuff! Any idea what velocity? ( My book doesn't show that load...)

As my Buddy Larry says about the 45/70 guide gun..... 'That's what I step out the door with...what would you be afraid of?

To which I replied...' Yellow Jackets or hornets!" LOL

[PatMarlin]

That's some nice shooting! Well done, sir!

You gotta love that 4895.... It's gooooood stuff! Any idea what velocity? ( My book doesn't show that load...)

As my Buddy Larry says about the 45/70 guide gun..... 'That's what I step out the door with...what would you be afraid of?

To which I replied...' Yellow Jackets or hornets!" LOL

THanks.. har- them dam yellow jackets chased me in the house one day. 2- got in and kept stingn' me... :mrgreen:

I haven't chrono'd it yet, but it's a light load, I'm thinking somewhere round 1300-1400.

I wanted a lighter deer load. I've got the big 405gr thumper dialed in pretty much already... :mrgreen:

[TCLouis]

this load is ok thru a Rolling Block. I have not seen the loading or an approximate pressure rating.

[Buckshot]

.............Pat, VERY nice! It'd be tough to ask for better then that in the real world. Nice range, btw. What lot number is your 4895? Last I bought was new prod, and in the same order a buddy bought the $8 a jug cheaper 1972 pull down. We swapped each other a pound and danged if I could see any difference. If yours is like ours then it will be a bit slower then canister 4895.

You can scoop the case through a bowl of power and seat a boolit. Also, if you have a 45 Colt that 340gr Lee is a great revolver boolit. Lube-size to .457-8" then run up through a Lee .452" size die. Then load'em up in the peestol cases.

...............Buckshot

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.................................................. ............... Also, if you have a 45 Colt that 340gr Lee is a great revolver boolit. Lube-size to .457-8" then run up through a Lee .452" size die. Then load'em up in the peestol cases.

.........I'd like to get more details on this load. Charge weight, gun, nd barrel length, velocity?? Sounds interesting.

[Headstamp]

How do you like the MTM Rest, Pat?

[PatMarlin]

Well- not really.

It's not all that solid. I'm trying to come up with a way to way it down.

Functional- yes, but not a rock solid deal. 2 rifles dropped off that thing in the gravel. Pissed me off.

One is my M1917 sporter, that was pristene. Now it's got some round dents in it from the round gravels, in the stock on one side... :roll:

The other problem is that's a fold out table that I cut into to make a bench, and it's anything but solid. Rocks front to back. I just lean into it and take a shot. Basicly a bench shooter's nightmare. I don't claim to be, and never have been a bench shooter. I just shoot.

I've got to take some time and build a bench... :mrgreen:

[Buckshot]

...OTE=Buckshot].................................................. .................

.................................................. ............... Also, if you have a 45 Colt that 340gr Lee is a great revolver boolit. Lube-size to .457-8" then run up through a Lee .452" size die. Then load'em up in the peestol cases.

.........I'd like to get more details on this load. Charge weight, gun, nd barrel length, velocity?? Sounds interesting.

Here's a photo of three 45 Colts:

http://www.fototime.com/68E891AD4F08210/standard.jpg

I'm at work so can't quote loads, but I used H4227 and SR4759 to start with. I didn't have any data for such a heavy slug in the Colt so I 'seat of the pants' extrapolated. There was some 300gr jacketed stuff so I went a powder slower, then used a 5% reduction of the FASTER powder's charge (that shown for the 300 gr slug) to start with.

I would think that Blue Dot would be a good fuel too. I'm sure some searching around could produce some data for a slug of similar weight. I was up to 900-ish FPS speeds with the 2 mentioned powders and wasn't seeing any pressure to speak of.

I was using a Ruger Vaquero (older one) with a 7.5" bbl, and the cylinder is long enough to allow crimping in the provided crimp groove. Other revolters might require deeper seating. They sure make the dirt fly off the berm!

................Buckshot

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[QUOTE=Buckshot]Here's a photo of three 45 Colts:


I'm at work so can't quote loads, but I used H4227 and SR4759 to start with. I didn't have any data for such a heavy slug in the Colt so I 'seat of the pants' extrapolated. There was some 300gr jacketed stuff so I went a powder slower, then used a 5% reduction of the FASTER powder's charge (that shown for the 300 gr slug) to start with.

I would think that Blue Dot would be a good fuel too. I'm sure some searching around could produce some data for a slug of similar weight. I was up to 900-ish FPS speeds with the 2 mentioned powders and wasn't seeing any pressure to speak of.

I was using a Ruger Vaquero (older one) with a 7.5" bbl, and the cylinder is long enough to allow crimping in the provided crimp groove. Other revolters might require deeper seating. They sure make the dirt fly off the berm!

Thsanks for the info. I began using Ideal's 457191 im various .45LCs, over powders from Black cannon powder ( about a 3FA) tp 4227. I ended up with a load of 19.6 gr of 4227, which gave adequate accuracy at the range I was shooting. I had a 30" x 36" plate of 1/8" CRS hung from a dime-store sawhorse; it would ring like a churchbell on every hit, and all tge bullets would be found on thr ground within 10" of the face of the plate. I never reached 900 fps, although that was my goal. I didn't think my SAAs would take it.

One surprise was that the cannon powder loads, passing a borrowed chronograph at 560 fps, penetrated both 2 x 4 legs of the sawhorse at 325 yds and kept on steaming. The bullets were able to pound dimples in the plate, and fitting recovered slugs into the dimples showed the angle of fall at that range.

The .45LC was made for heavy bullets. I had a .458 mold made up in reduced length ( NEI's #337 at 0.855", about 295 gr), and can't wait to try them out.

If you shoulld run across any of your old data, I would much appreciate any you moght be willing to share.

Thanks again for your reply.

Bill C.

[9.3X62AL]

I recently gave the RCBS 300-FN/GC a test drive in 45 Colt, since it generally won't cast fat enough for use in the 45-70. I sized these to .454" and seated them to the crimp groove over 15.0 grains of 2400. In the Bisley Blackhawk, I kept the 100 yard dinger plates at the Angeles Shooting Ranges ringing pretty consistently. No idea about velocity, but they had some thump to them. The results "on iron" seem to be worth spending some paper targets on, and maybe the chronograph needs a little time in the sun too.

[PatMarlin]

What does that mold cast out to Al?

I just picked one up, and I was hoping to get .459 out of it, but I'm prolly dreamin'.. :roll: :mrgreen:

[Buckshot]

What does that mold cast out to Al?

I just picked one up, and I was hoping to get .459 out of it, but I'm prolly dreamin'.. :roll: :mrgreen:

..............Dep Al must be jinxed or sumptin. I think mine (RCBS 300gr FNGC)drop at .460" or more. They definately get sized when run into a .459" die.

...........Buckshot

[9.3X62AL]

Pat--

I was lucky to get .458" out of the mold. I tried another tack--cooling the melt down some, to 675* F--and the castings fall out pretty close to .459". The .459" sizer die is making slight contact, at least. These haven't been fired yet, so the most important info is still lacking--but the undersized castings sure didn't shoot worth beans. One other trick I might try is to add in some foundry type to the Taracorp alloy I usually use for the 45-70 boolits, hoping to gain another .001"-.0015". The REAL solution would be to obtain a mold that casts nice .460" boolits with WW alloy.

[PatMarlin]

Why oh why won't these big mold manufacturere get it through their thick heads the sizes cast booliteers need?.. :mrgreen: