Looking For 50 To 35 Caliber Sabots

[Landy88]

Does anyone make such a sabot?

What were your experiences?

It hit this .35 nut that I could, likely, hunt all though MZ and 'regular' deer seasons with the same ballistics with a 50 to 35 sabot MZ load.

My 350RM or 35W with 358-200s as my easy shooting but plenty for deer 35R clones on the sling JIC during elk and deer crossover time, in the gun for deer, and down the muzzle with an equal velocity load for MZ special.

[lup]

I haven't seen a single sabot but I have seen people use a dual sabot approach.

A 357 in a sabot wrapped in a 45 caliber sabot.

[Landy88]

I haven't seen a single sabot but I have seen people use a dual sabot approach.

A 357 in a sabot wrapped in a 45 caliber sabot.

I'll look into and test that method, if I can't find a single sabot to do it.

Thanks.

[rodwha]

Does a dual sabot work well? I've wanted a .40 cal sabot for my .50 cal rifle and dual sabots or a cloth patched projectile/sabot seemed the only way.

[Dryball]

https://www.prbullet.com/pts.htm
I think this is what you're looking for. They are excellent and what I use in my Savage 10MLII

[Landy88]

https://www.prbullet.com/pts.htm
I think this is what you're looking for. They are excellent and what I use in my Savage 10MLII

There are they.

Thanks!

[Saxtonyoung]

Does a dual sabot work well? I've wanted a .40 cal sabot for my .50 cal rifle and dual sabots or a cloth patched projectile/sabot seemed the only way.

50/40 Sabots are available from MMP and Harvester. I have shot a few deer using the MMP Sabots with 40 caliber 225 grain bullets. The bullet was cast from a custom mold I had made and has been used in both 45 and 50 caliber muzzleloaders with 1-28" twist.203546

[Saxtonyoung]

I have seen the 50 to .357 options that prbullet offers and wondered how they worked, glad to hear of your success in your Savage. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the Savage have a 1-24" twist ?

My only experience with .357 bullets has been 180 grain LBT cast using 60 grains of powder in a 1-28" twist 45 Omega. Although I took this load hunting the opportunity to use it on a Whitetail never happened.

[rodwha]

Very nice! Many thanks!

[charlie b]

I would think it depends on the twist of your barrel. Figure out what twist rate a .357 rifle barrel has and see how far off you are. Then you can figure out which bullets you could shoot with same results (similar velocities).

[10 ga]

My experience is that most smoker ML have too slow a twist to stabilize the .35 rifle bullets. If you have a Savage ML2 it's a bit faster twist and if a custom like a 1/20 or 1/18 and it's a 45 you could be doing better for sure. However the bullets that stabilize in smokers are usually pistol bullets and shorter and lighter and not really that good for big game terminal performance. The .35 rifle bullets that work so good for sure take the faster twist. And with all that thick sabot accuracy isn't so good. This has been my experience yours may be different. Keep us updated on how it works out. 10

PS: go to one of the bullet stability calculators and enter your information and that will show what you need to know about the twist needed.

[Landy88]

My experience is that most smoker ML have too slow a twist to stabilize the .35 rifle bullets.

Yes, the ML twist at 1-28 is only 1/2 as fast as the 1-14 that works so well in the .35 cartridge rifles. Checking this linked twist calculator, that gives either twist or velocity if given the other; even that short 200 grain cast bullet won't be truly stable until .358 Norma Magnum velocity in a 1-28 twist. Physics, again, is getting in the way of a neat, but half-baked, idea.

https://thebarreloutlet.com/twist-calculator/

[charlie b]

Not really a half baked idea, just need a custom barrel :)

[quilbilly]

I have an old 45 with a 1/48 twist that shoots MMP's blue sabot with 9mm boolits extremely well. Why it was less accurate than 357 boolits is still a mystery to me. I shot a few deer with it and occasional coyotes plus rabbits. For deer, however, I prefer PRB.

[charlie b]

are the 9mm bullets shorter and more pointed/rounded?

[quilbilly]

are the 9mm bullets shorter and more pointed/rounded?
Seemed to be true with both SWC and RN. Best accuracy was with the RN 9mm 124's which took down a few coyotes all the way out at 200 yards with iron sights (my eyes were younger then). As the saying goes - "If it ain't broke..."

[charlie b]

Yes, if the bullets are shorter it takes less twist to stabilize them, so a 124gn will be better than a 158gn. Just not sure where the critical point of velocity and twist are for your bullets.