What would make you a silencer buyer?

[AbitNutz]

Maybe someone more familiar with the mechanics of the forum could make a poll out of this.

1: I would never buy a silencer, they're dumb.

2: I would buy one if they were like buying a handgun, background check, etc,

3: I would buy one only if they were sold as an accessory, like grips, or a sling and I could get it mail order.

4: I already own one and have gone through the NFA paper chase.

[mcdaniel.mac]

4. I own several and expect to take home two more this fall.

If any of the deregulation acts pass, I will ager we could see some ranges requiring them as safety equipment.

[Kestrel4k]

Tinnitus.

[am44mag]

Money

[runfiverun]

if they were OTC I would buy several.
actually I would make several.

[popper]

#3 if they were built to be fixable, modular for different amounts of 'suppression'. Would allow a lot more research and development, i.e. better parts, reduced cost.

[Hamish]

Get rid of the (insert a LOT of intemperate words here) .Gov garbage and I would build so many of them my wife would probably be making wind chimes with the overflow,,,,,,,

[marvelshooter]

I would get one the minute I was able. I am pretty sure my commy state is actually considering a bill or two allowing them. I am not holding my breath waiting though.

[bedbugbilly]

uhhhh . . . if I was Sicilian and got a job with the Mob? :-)

[kayala]

3 or 2 would be nice. My 1st can is in ATF jail now.

[Omega]

As soon as they come off the NFA list I'll assemble my own for S&Gs, but until then my peltors will have to do.

[Harter66]

#2 or 3 !
I only have a couple of real barkers that would make a huge difference and only a couple with muzzle threads .

Even if I had to do a 4473 and pay the $25 I'd have 3-5 as fast as I could get my cards out ! A 25,30 and 45 cal for rifles and 35/38/9mm and 45 pistol compatible units . I'd probably even spring for an integral 12ga bbl or 2 !
But as it stands laying out $600-1000 for an item I'm buying blind from a magazine ad through a class 3 dealer and another $200 for an item I can't take possession for a yr just makes me cold to the idea .

Imagine if it were a brand new 2018 (insert the most amazing vehicle ever with everything you ever wanted custom fitted so it just felt like that favorite jacket ) you saved your pennies , walked into your dealership with cash . You pay the established price , tax , title , doc fee and FET . The sales rep takes you out and walks you around it hands you the keys and the lot kid drives it over to the storage warehouse and says you can pick it up July 9th 2018 , unless some random person behind a desk 3000 miles away decides some random character flaw is too much of a risk . Then you're just out the money .
I could warm up to Antarctica quicker .

[gnostic]

I don't really get-it with silencers, the ones I've heard weren't that quiet. And, I seem to shoot better scores with warmer 1000fps + handloads.

[sparky45]

if they were OTC I would buy several.
actually I would make several.

This is also my answer.

[sparky45]

I don't really get-it with silencers, the ones I've heard weren't that quiet. And, I seem to shoot better scores with warmer 1000fps + handloads.

A well built Silencer WILL save your hearing and the hearing of those around you. Outdoor ranges near residential areas would have a better relationship with it's neighbors. You could do away with the bulky hot to the ears hearing protectors, and you wouldn't have to wear hearing protection while hunting.
Lot's of good reasons to have and use Silencers.
AND, if you're as yellow as your Avatar looks, quickly go to your Internist.:mrgreen:

[HATCH]

I own several and have built a couple.

I guess mainly its the ITS COOL factor.

Unless your shooting subsonics out of a 22 pistol, they "silencers" aren't very silent at all.
The correct terminology would be suppressor because they suppress the sound.
I have commercial cans in 22lr, 223 and 45 acp.
I have home built cans in 22lr x 2 and have 2 tax stamps approved but haven't built yet (223 and 308)
One of the home-built 22 cans in a integral suppressed Ruger Mk III 22/45. With subsonic ammo you can here the action cycle, the brass hit the ground and the bullet hit the target.
With standard bulk box it is just as quiet as my other 22/45 with the commercial can shooting subs

Now with all that said, I can shoot any of the 22 suppressed weapons in my back yard and you can't tell a firearm was fired from the front yard.
Now, the 223 suppressor knocks the sound down to the level of a unsuppressed 22 lr rifle. its still loud but isn't as loud.
You still hear the supersonic crack.

The 45 can shot dry is barely hearing safe. Now put 4cc of water in the can and shoot 230 lead rn standard rounds and its just as quiet as a suppressed 22 shooting standard ammo.

[Harter66]

#2 or 3 !
I only have a couple of real barkers that would make a huge difference and only a couple with muzzle threads .

Even if I had to do a 4473 and pay the $25 I'd have 3-5 as fast as I could get my cards out ! A 25,30 and 45 cal for rifles and 35/38/9mm and 45 pistol compatible units . I'd probably even spring for an integral 12ga bbl or 2 !
But as it stands laying out $600-1000 for an item I'm buying blind from a magazine ad through a class 3 dealer and another $200 for an item I can't take possession for a yr just makes me cold to the idea .

Imagine if it were a brand new 2018 (insert the most amazing vehicle ever with everything you ever wanted custom fitted so it just felt like that favorite jacket ) you saved your pennies , walked into your dealership with cash . You pay the established price , tax , title , doc fee and FET . The sales rep takes you out and walks you around it hands you the keys and the lot kid drives it over to the storage warehouse and says you can pick it up July 9th 2018 , unless some random person behind a desk 3000 miles away decides some random character flaw is too much of a risk . Then you're just out the money .
I could warm up to Antarctica quicker .

[jcwit]

Where I shoot and at my age I have no need for one!

[Hogtamer]

My 22 WMR

[AbitNutz]

This looks like a true money maker. If S&W and the rest of the gun industry invest in this...and it gets pulled out of the NFA...gun makers will finally have a totaly new product that will sell like hot cakes. Here's a product you can sell to people who already own a gun. You have an established customer base. It's a marketing dream come true.

[AbitNutz]

I bet a lot of people will have erzats shooting ranges in their basements. Take one 9mm or 45 ACP handgun, add one silencer per weapon and stir in several boxes of subsonic ammunition. Presto! a 50 foot shooting range that doesn't crank off the neighbors...

[Smoke4320]

Nothing I have a few already

[dragon813gt]

I bet a lot of people will have erzats shooting ranges in their basements. Take one 9mm or 45 ACP handgun, add one silencer per weapon and stir in several boxes of subsonic ammunition. Presto! a 50 foot shooting range that doesn't crank off the neighbors...

You can already build a tube in your basement that's going to muffle the sound a lot more. They're a lot cheaper than a silencer, even if they come off the NFA. There is nothing illegal about building one.

I already have a few. I already built a few. They are PPE plain and simple. You still need to wear hearing protection when using them. I foresee a lot of hearing damage if people start shooting w/ out plugs and/or muffs while using a silencer.

[2wheelDuke]

Trying to find a round tuit for #4. If they were regulated the same as firearms or less, I'd have them already.

[Kraschenbirn]

Considering the fact that, these days, I'm pretty much a 'rifle guy' and rarely shoot anything that's subsonic at the muzzle I can't see myself generating much enthusiasm for any sort of suppressor. Years ago, I made up one on a spare barrel for one of my HS Citation .22s...using RWS Indoor Match, you could hear the slide cycle...but it destroyed the balance of the gun and masked the factory sights so, after tinkering with it for awhile, I dismantled it, tossed the pieces into the scrap bin, and moved on to more productive projects.

Bill

[timspawn]

They really shine when you can shoot them some place other than a public range. If you have to wear hearing protection all the time, it may not be worth it. I have 19 of them.

[mcdaniel.mac]

I don't really get-it with silencers, the ones I've heard weren't that quiet. And, I seem to shoot better scores with warmer 1000fps + handloads.
Even shooting supersonic, there's a bit difference between a suppressed and unsuppressed report, similar to the difference between shooting a
223 and a .22LR.

[WebMonkey]

I don't really get-it with silencers, the ones I've heard weren't that quiet. And, I seem to shoot better scores with warmer 1000fps + handloads.

Definately different levels of "quality" out there.
On my bolt action rifles, I can hear the firing pin drop.

My most used is a .22lr on a walther p22.
Unfortunately, it is straight blowback action and a lot of noise comes out the wrong end.
:)

[merlin101]

I'd buy one, if they were legal here in NY

[DerekP Houston]

#2 for me, currently it's just out of the price range for my interest level. If it were available with a $25 transfer instead of the huge wait + tax stamp then yeah i'd grab one or two.

[sparky45]

You can already build a tube in your basement that's going to muffle the sound a lot more. They're a lot cheaper than a silencer, even if they come off the NFA. There is nothing illegal about building one.

I already have a few. I already built a few. They are PPE plain and simple. You still need to wear hearing protection when using them. I foresee a lot of hearing damage if people start shooting w/ out plugs and/or muffs while using a silencer.

Why don't you try and ask the ATF if its legal to build one in your basement. Without that "stamp" you're as illegal as a unregistered handgun.

[Geezer in NH]

There is no requirement to register a handgun. Provided you live in a FREE State.

There is a big penalty for not registering a silencer before you build it, anywhere in the USA.

I own 4 now with paid tax. I will own more tax or not if the new stuff passes many more.

Just because YOU [for the guys who say they have no need or wants] don't get one but do not STOP me.

[jcwit]

There is no requirement to register a handgun. Provided you live in a FREE State.

There is a big penalty for not registering a silencer before you build it, anywhere in the USA.

I own 4 now with paid tax. I will own more tax or not if the new stuff passes many more.

Just because YOU [for the guys who say they have no need or wants] don't get one but do not STOP me.

Just because I stated I have no use for one doesn't mean you should not have the opertunity to own or use one. If you wish to have one, go for it!

And enjoy it!

[Plate plinker]

Abolishment of the $200 TAX STAMP and the wait period.
I have used several and it is nice to run silent. Custom loads and the right setup makes for pleasant plinking.

[MT Gianni]

I would like my granddaughter to not be intimidated by noise, yet be able to hear range commands.

[Handloader109]

You have a poll....
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?339029-poll-for-silencers

I've got two. Bought first for my wife to use, and bqckd into second after picking up the first. Took me 11 months the second time! Stupid long! I do like them. Bought aftermarket barrel for g17 for first. Bought a Walther ppx already threaded and bought an AR pistol thread that I can use my second one with. Oh, and my wife's 22 works well, but the 9mm silencer is heavy. Id buy a $200 model for a 22 in a heartbeat.. there are some 3d printed ones out there that work with 22 that would be sweet. Just can't stand the long wait and the extra tax stamp cost

[alamogunr]

#2 I don't mind the background check. At my age any info the government has won't be valid too many more years.

[Moonie]

#4, my NFA trust owns one and a couple of SBR's.

[osteodoc08]

2 or 3. If they do that, I'll be investing heavily in them

[Elkins45]

I own three commercial cans, one homemade one, and have approved Form1 stamps to build three more. Four years ago I had none.

[Houndog]

I don't want or need one, but I want to see ALL the hoops a person has to jump through to own one gone! As anti gun as the UK is their citizens can own them and many there see it as improper not to equip their arms with them.

[BNE]

if they were OTC I would buy several.
actually I would make several.

Exactly.

[dragon813gt]

Why don't you try and ask the ATF if its legal to build one in your basement. Without that "stamp" you're as illegal as a unregistered handgun.

By "tube" I meant a physical tube made out wood and sound deadners that doesn't doesn't attach to the firearm. These are completely legal and a lot less money then a silencer. People make them out of barrels and all types of things.

What's an unregistered handgun? Guess you live in a state where they know exactly what you own.

[lightman]

I would be on the #2 or #3 list.

[JBinMN]

My choice is #3

This is what I posted in the poll topic:


I voted # 3(sold like accessories) & the price has to come way down or I would build(would have built) the ones I wanted.

IMO... They should not cost the amount of a firearm itself & I see no need for a background check, since if someone was to be buying one, it is likely they already have had a background check for the firearm they are using & are going to put it on.
If they are criminals already and have a firearm, the suppressor is just another crime currently & the criminals will not care. So, it won't likely matter if they are just an accessory either.

[GhostHawk]

#3 here, back in the 20's and 30's a decent gun cost 20 to 30$. A decent suppressor cost buck and a half to 3 dollars. That seems fair to me.

Nowdays guns are 250 to 1k but I will never pay 250$. Ain't happening.

If legal I might buy a few 8 dollar adapters and 7 dollar oil filters and put them on guns which are threaded.

Right now that would buy me a 10 year hitch in a federal prison, so thanks but no thanks. Don't need it.

[tommag]

When they're taken out of the nfa category, I'll be standing in line, as well as copying other's home built designs just to see if I can do it.

[sparky45]

By "tube" I meant a physical tube made out wood and sound deadners that doesn't doesn't attach to the firearm. These are completely legal and a lot less money then a silencer. People make them out of barrels and all types of things.

What's an unregistered handgun? Guess you live in a state where they know exactly what you own.

Every gun I own is "registered". By that I mean it's been purchased by me and a 4473 filled out at the time of purchase. NO WUT I MEEN VERN?

[sparky45]

I think we can all agree; in the context of this thread, silencer or suppressor are interchangeable words.

[Artful]

uhhhh . . . if I was Sicilian and got a job with the Mob? :-)

check with the Clinton's I think they are hiring.

[Artful]

What MADE me a buyer (three) was COMMON SENSE. Guys who send 1000s on a gun object to buying a suppressor. (They are NOT silencers !!!!) "Dumb-de-dumb-dum"

You better correct the inventor (Hiram Percy Maxim) who trademarked the term Silencer and the ATFE who use it in all their regulations - suppressor came from other companies who couldn't use the term SILENCER.

Sort of like Xerox and Kleenex are proprietary

[Artful]

Every gun I own is "registered". By that I mean it's been purchased by me and a 4473 filled out at the time of purchase. NO WUT I MEEN VERN?

You must have missed out on some very good buys on used guns in private purchase (no 4473)

[Artful]

I don't want or need one, but I want to see ALL the hoops a person has to jump through to own one gone! As anti gun as the UK is their citizens can own them and many there see it as improper not to equip their arms with them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLtP8Xg5ZDc

[Artful]

Why don't you try and ask the ATF if its legal to build one in your basement. Without that "stamp" you're as illegal as a unregistered handgun.

You do know that if you live in a "free" state you don't need to register your handgun with anyone unless you purchase from a FFL holder who is federally required to do the 4473 and background check.

But if I purchase from a private party - NO Paperwork or checks are required.

Can I ask if you moved from Kalipornia or New Yorkistan to Kansas or just where you got your idea's about gun registration and silencer legality?

http://gun.laws.com/state-gun-laws/kansas-gun-laws

Firearm laws in Kansas do not make it necessary for individuals to register their firearms. Furthermore, Kansas firearm laws do not require the acquisition of a permit in order to purchase guns.

As for building a stationary noise abatement device on my range Totally Legal
- it's not attached to a firearm (like the oil filter in your car that isn't either)
and it's not easily portable. ATFE doesn't give a rip.

https://www.shootersforum.com/attachments/general-discussion/3274d1129422306-backyard-shooting-range-noise-range-sound-suppressor.jpg

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff132/orchidman_album/5d7eafb4-4ab7-4af1-827d-6d85839a4fba_zps355c1d3f.jpg (http://s243.photobucket.com/user/orchidman_album/media/5d7eafb4-4ab7-4af1-827d-6d85839a4fba_zps355c1d3f.jpg.html)

http://weaponsman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/non_portable_noise_reduction.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ9nd6p_9Y4

[sparky45]

You must have missed out on some very good buys on used guns in private purchase (no 4473)

You'd think so, now wouldn't you.:mrgreen:

[therealhitman]

uhhhh . . . if I was Sicilian and got a job with the Mob? :-)

Oh Billy. That's just hurtful. A lot of us Sicilians are actually freelancers.

[Artful]

Oh Billy. That's just hurtful. A lot of us Sicilians are actually freelancers.

Small Businessmen are the back bone of this country.

[FISH4BUGS]

It probably should say "What would make you ANOTHER silencer buyer" I own a number of them. Paid my $200 per. Paid my $200 for each machine gun. Paid my $200 for each SBR. Paid my $5 for the AOW.
I am not against silencers - I AM against these so called "arm braces"......arm braces my a**. It is the way to get around the SBR rules.
THAT is what frosts me.

[dragon813gt]

Why are you against anything? The fracturing of gun owners is what makes us weak. Yes, the braces skirt the law. But it's an unconstitutional law to begin w/. I see no difference between the brace and a bullet button. Both were designed to get around stupid laws.

I have a few SBRs. The braces are nice but the firearms don't handle like a true SBR. While I don't like paying the tax, at all. It's worth it when it comes to SBRs.

[Blackwater]

For me to get a "silencer," all that'd have to change is the price. But with most internals being made of titanium, and quite craftily formed at certain angles, etc., I doubt they'll ever be a dime a dozen. I once didn't want to be on any more "lists" than I probably already was on, so that was another factor. But now .... I've assumed I'm on enough lists that one more won't make any real difference. Now, it's just the price that matters any more. (sigh!) And I doubt that'll change much or very rapidly. Well ..... OK ...... I've lived this long without one, and I guess I can make it to the end without one, but .... one sure could be nice ..... and interesting as well!

[mcdaniel.mac]

For me to get a "silencer," all that'd have to change is the price. But with most internals being made of titanium, and quite craftily formed at certain angles, etc., I doubt they'll ever be a dime a dozen. I once didn't want to be on any more "lists" than I probably already was on, so that was another factor. But now .... I've assumed I'm on enough lists that one more won't make any real difference. Now, it's just the price that matters any more. (sigh!) And I doubt that'll change much or very rapidly. Well ..... OK ...... I've lived this long without one, and I guess I can make it to the end without one, but .... one sure could be nice ..... and interesting as well!
Some of the rimfire ones are $99, and there are some decent budget options in the $400-600 range. Certainly not a dime a dozen, but not as expensive as most people think.

[OlDeuce]

if they were OTC I would buy several.
actually I would make several.

I'm with ya on the making!!!! They would be so simple to make!!!!! In my state you can make them ya need to that damn $200 tax stamp!!!

Ol Deuce

[AbitNutz]

If they can get these things to where people can buy them without suffering an NFA ordeal, I suspect that smart people who are new to the game will jump in. I wouldn't be surprised if silencers become a whole lot cheaper and a great deal more effective.

[mold maker]

Cheap with no gov red tape. It's just another honey pot for the Feds, right now.

[gwpercle]

If I could walk into a store and buy one for no more that $25.00 and didn't have to fill out any forms or pay any fees/taxes .

[Geezer in NH]

The Fed's make 0% on all NFA tax in fact it is the same as the Inheritance tax. It costs more to do than it brings in.

[762 shooter]

Just cause I could.

I got three.


Most every firearm I have would not pass the need test.

762

[dragon813gt]

The Fed's make 0% on all NFA tax in fact it is the same as the Inheritance tax. It costs more to do than it brings in.

You won't be able to convince people of this fact. One of the reasons for the long wait is there aren't enough agents to process the paperwork. If they were making money off the tax they would be able to hire more agents to handle the workload. And I just want to clarify that I said it was ONE of the reasons for the long wait. It's certainly not the only one.

[David2011]

2: I would buy one if they were like buying a handgun, background check, etc,

3: I would buy one only if they were sold as an accessory, like grips, or a sling and I could get it mail order.

I would like to see them become accessories. If criminals want them they're already making them illegally. Even if they become the same as buying a firearm we should be able to make our own.

[mcdaniel.mac]

For anyone on the fence, Capitol Armory down in Taxes is running another of their wild specials. The AAC Ti-Rant 45 (works on .44 Special as well as 9, 40, and 45) is either $350, free when you buy any two other cans, free when you buy any SBR, SBS, AOW, or Machinegun, or free with $1500 in accessories. Stamp is still extra, but I bought two cans from them with no problem. Good way to start stamp collecting..

[rnelson11]

4. I own 4 and have 2 more on the way.

[Spooksar]

They are illegal here in Canada if I could I would buy or build one fir every rifle I own. Less noise less recoil. A lot f ranges are bee shut down because of noise here and this would help.

[Eldon]

Was shooting my 300 WinMag R-1 today with the GEMTECH One on it. Just needed soft ear plugs and recoil was cut in 1/2.

Since the One works on my AUG, AR 15s, AR10, Tikka T3 target, Kimber Adirondack, M-70 BOSS, X-Bolt ..... need I go on ? Cost is hardly an issue !

[robg]

Its very relaxing to shoot and only hear a 22rf bullet hit its target.on centerfire its nice to get rid of a lot of flash and blast, helps your accuracy no end .