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Boomer Mikey
07-07-2008, 04:16 PM
I purchased a Savage 10FCM "Scout" rifle maybe 5 years ago with the idea that it would be a cast bullet "plinker" for desert walks and double as a cast bullet rifle for silhouette fun shoots in addition to exploring the scout rifle concept.

I got busy with CAS stuff and it remained in the corner of the safe... once in a while I got it out and ran a patch thru the bore, did a trigger job on it and fire lapped the bore (maybe 10 rounds) to clean up a few snags discovered when a dry patch was pushed thru the bore. I also re-crowned the barrel as there was a nick in one of the lands.

Cast bullet load development in 30 caliber for me has been disappointing in the past compared to 35, 375, 44, and 45 caliber work so I wasn't in any rush to be disappointed again and kept putting the rifle back in the corner of the safe.

After poking around for a while I found the Ed Harris article about using double base pistol/shotgun powders in military rifles and the "Universal Load" of 16 grains of 2400.

A copy of this article is here: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=17574

Well, I looked up articles written by Ed Harris and compared notes with other resources to confirm load characteristics then ran a few numbers with Quick load... all OK.

I had an old 1 pound bottle of 2400 on the shelf and loaded a set of test loads from 16 to 19 grains in 1/2 grain steps.

Match prepped WW brass, LBT Blue lube, WLR primers.

RCBS 165 SIL and RCBS 180 SP boolits sized to 0.310" using 50/50 WW/LINO air cooled alloy for the rifle's 0.308" groove diameter bore.

Bullets were seated to an OAL of 2.8" which engraved the rifling in the throat lightly, feed from the removable magazine well, and loaded cartridges can be un-chambered without pulling bullets.

I put a Simmons 2X20 IER 1" scope on the rifle in Leupold "QRW" rings and mounted the scope as far forward as possible completely clearing the ejection port.

The results are very satisfying - and it looks like this will be perfect for what I intended it for... velocities from the 20.5" barrel ranged from 1600 fps to 2000 fps and 50 yard accuracy ranged from 3/4" to 1-1/2" with most groups in the 1"- 1.2" range. Further load development should produce moa or sub-moa loads that will shoot to point of aim all day long.

The rifle wasn't cleaned during the 100 round testing period in 98 degree weather. No leading issues... 2 wet patches and 10 strokes with a patch covered brush using Shooter's Choice was repeated once for a total of 20 strokes which produced a spotless bore.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend using the information in Ed Harris's articles to achieve success using cast bullets. As you can see... the "Universal Load" does indeed work well in my Savage 308 and you can bet I'll be trying the Ed Harris Red Dot load soon as well.

Boomer :Fire:


Thumbnails: Rifle, bullets 165 SIL (left) 180 SP (right), groups

copdills
07-07-2008, 04:27 PM
Looks Great, thanks for article and good luck with futher loads in your savage that a fine rifle

Maven
07-07-2008, 04:32 PM
Hodgdon CLAYS (7 - 7.5grs.) and Alliant Unique (9 - 9.5grs.) and Blue Dot (9.5 - 105gr.) also work very well, especially with plain-based CB's.

dromia
07-07-2008, 04:53 PM
Ed Harris hit the nail on the head with that load.

I read that article in a Handloaders Digest 1994 and its been beside me ever since, classic cast boolit writing. That and his rendition of the old arsenal cleaner we now know as Ed's Red put him up "there" for me.

Ed posts over on the CBA forum.

runfiverun
07-07-2008, 11:39 PM
try bout 28 gr 4895 with a tuft of dacron that is another universal load

jh45gun
07-07-2008, 11:51 PM
That article SOLD ME on 2400 as a perfect powder for cast bullets for most milsurp cases and even the 30/30 case as I use 16 to 17 grains of 2400 for my cast boolit loads for the dirty thirty as well. 20 grains of 2400 in my K31 shows great promise and same in my 308 Encore Pistol. With 20 grains both would be fine to kill Whitetail with as I know it will I killed a 5 pt Buck and a Doe using 18 grains before I came up with this 20 grain load in the 308 Encore pistol and the K31 7.5x55 Swiss. 25 grains of 2400 works great in my 45/70 Roller. For me it is the "Universal Powder" for cast boolit shooting.

Bret4207
07-08-2008, 07:04 AM
His original "load" of 13.0 gr Red Dot has worked fine for me in most everything over 7mm and a case larger than 35 Rem capacity.

sav300
07-08-2008, 07:56 AM
JH45gun,may I ask what weight cast projectile you use in the K31?I have just purchased a 1934 and will shoot cast loads this saturday.I have lyman 308334 = 205 lubed and checked and a lyman 311041cx = 190 lubed and checked.Any ideas/loads ? Thanks.
Lionel

Boomer Mikey
07-08-2008, 11:57 AM
JH45gun,may I ask what weight cast projectile you use in the K31?I have just purchased a 1934 and will shoot cast loads this saturday.I have lyman 308334 = 205 lubed and checked and a lyman 311041cx = 190 lubed and checked.Any ideas/loads ? Thanks.
Lionel

Read this: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=17574

If you read the article you will receive all the load data you require for at least 4 power levels of loads for your rifle.

Boomer :Fire:

jh45gun
07-08-2008, 12:12 PM
JH45gun,may I ask what weight cast projectile you use in the K31?I have just purchased a 1934 and will shoot cast loads this saturday.I have lyman 308334 = 205 lubed and checked and a lyman 311041cx = 190 lubed and checked.Any ideas/loads ? Thanks.
Lionel

My 30 cal bullet mould is the Ideal 311407 which I think is a 180 grain flat nose bullet louvern design. I also have a bunch of bullets that were given to me that are in that weight range thar were round nosed that I used a flat nose punch when I sized them to give them bullets a flat nose. I have found that 18 to 20 grains of 2400 works good for the K31 and I have settled on a 20 grain load. I would suspect that these bullets after being lubed and checked would weigh close to 190 grains give or take.