New NOE 432-246-WC Mold

[JeffG]

The gem showed up in the mail today. I can't wait to cast some of these and push down range in a CA Bulldog. One heck of a HP on this RG2 mold. Anybody else grabbed this and using it?

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[Leadmelter]

I bought one and casted some boolits but have not gotten to load and shoot some.
Soon though!
Leadmelter
MI

[runfiverun]

dang that's almost a full wad cutter with a hole in the nose.

[square butte]

It is a full wad cutter

[Nueces]

Well, yeah, it's designed as a hollow base wadcutter, but no reason not to turn it around.

[JeffG]

Well, yeah, it's designed as a hollow base wadcutter, but no reason not to turn it around.

Actually, it's not a hollow base. It has 3 different pin sets, to make a full Wadcutter, shallow HP or deep HP. The deep HP pins are on it. Those get filled with pork fat.

[JeffG]

It will happen for me Saturday I hope.

[JeffG]

I bought one and casted some boolits but have not gotten to load and shoot some.
Soon though!
Leadmelter
MI

it will be on the agenda Saturday. Will post with some loaded up.

[Nueces]

Actually, it's not a hollow base. It has 3 different pin sets, to make a full Wadcutter, shallow HP or deep HP. The deep HP pins are on it. Those get filled with pork fat.

Yeah, you're right. I confused it with the nearby 432-215 HB WC.

[runfiverun]

make sure you do the heat cycles AL recommends the mold will cast a whole bunch better for you after that.
I'm seeing a drive band, a lube groove, a crimp groove, and a nose.
that's more what I would call a hammer type boolit

[fatelvis]

I think I've got to have one of those.......

[rintinglen]

Just when I thought I had all the molds I need!
Swede, you're killing me.

[JeffG]

make sure you do the heat cycles AL recommends the mold will cast a whole bunch better for you after that.
I'm seeing a drive band, a lube groove, a crimp groove, and a nose.
that's more what I would call a hammer type boolit


I will do exactly that. I do it on all my molds. I have an old muzzle loading mold that used a shallow HP pin but this will be a different horse for me. Patience my son, patience, will be the order of the day and attention to detail. Looking forward to it.

[JeffG]

Cast some up last night. The hollow point pins are new thing for me but started getting it figured out. The one with the flat pins weighed 240 grains

[warf73]

Man that is a sharp looking boolit.

[cold1]

Oh Thats Nice!!! I am getting one with the of the RN ones so I can use it in the lever action. It doesnt like the the SWC, they wont feed. Maybe a full WC will.

[fatelvis]

Just out of curiosity, how are you loading them? Light, medium, or heavy?


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[Shuz]

Jeff..How about some boolits pics after the hollow point pin was installed?

[JeffG]

Just out of curiosity, how are you loading them? Light, medium, or heavy?


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At the moment, 7.7 grains of SR-4756, which I am reading is a pretty mild load for the Bulldog. I haven't put it over the chronograph yet, just loaded 20 real quick and shot 10

[JeffG]

Jeff..How about some boolits pics after the hollow point pin was installed?

ok, will do.

[GWM]

Nice mold... I don't need one, I don't need one, I don't need...

[JeffG]

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For those folks that wanted to see the HP version, here it is. This is with the large HP pins. I got some practice to do with these to get my technique right.

[rintinglen]

What do the HP's weigh? Inquiring minds want to know.

[JeffG]

The full WC's are weighing about 244 lubed and the HP's with the big pin are weighing about 227 lubed. This is with COWW + 2-3% tin. I haven't cast any of the shallow HP's yet. Need to cast more this weekend of both and get my technique cleaned up on the HP versions.


What do the HP's weigh? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Forrest r]

Don't have the neo mold, use a mihec instead. It casts a 220gr hbwc.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/3inchbbl_zps5d3a2f29.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/3inchbbl_zps5d3a2f29.jpg.html)

They thump pretty good.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/44hbwcaround.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/44hbwcaround.jpg.html)

3 different hb bullets tested in the bulldog pictured above.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/1c294e6c-d002-4b74-807e-5d6064902af9_zps8worlmj8.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/1c294e6c-d002-4b74-807e-5d6064902af9_zps8worlmj8.jpg.html)

Hard to beat a hbwc in a snub nosed 44spl

[Taterhead]

Man. Those are some great bullet pics! Great thread!

[JeffG]

What I'm shooting it from.

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[Forrest r]

What I'm shooting it from.

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Nice!!!
How are those rubber grips with "hot" loads???
Been thinking about putting a set of rubber grips on mine. The wood grips are good recoil wise just considering something slimmer.

[trapper9260]

I was thinking about a WC for my 44 mag and just did not really look into it untill I seen this post and about the mold .I have others that are set up with the pins like this one. Now i have to looking into about getting one some how now.It just never ends on what one to get.

[JeffG]

Nice!!!
How are those rubber grips with "hot" loads???
Been thinking about putting a set of rubber grips on mine. The wood grips are good recoil wise just considering something slimmer.

They are actually Charter Arms stock grips. I don't have anything else to compare it to. It does start working on the palm of the hand after 20-30 rounds. They are relatively slim IMO. At the narrowest point, they are 7/8" wide and at the widest point at the heel, 1 1/8". Seems like Hogue and one of the other big names make rubber grips for it too. I would like something just a little fatter but they are comfortable.

[catmandu]

Looks like both SWC's expanded better than the full WC.
Or maybe its just me....

[trapper9260]

Order myself this mold yesterday since NOE have 15% off all molds.It is from 1/10 to 1/16. Looking forward to use it.

[trapper9260]

Looks like both SWC's expanded better than the full WC.
Or maybe its just me....
You are right on that. but also depend on the alloy you use also.

[trapper9260]

Got my mold yesterday .I got it faster then what Al told me.Like I always get a mold from him.Now need to see about cast some up .

[JeffG]

Got my mold yesterday .I got it faster then what Al told me.Like I always get a mold from him.Now need to see about cast some up .

Cool. I'm enjoying mine so far. Probably shoot some today

[Forrest r]

Looks like both SWC's expanded better than the full WC.
Or maybe its just me....
Top left:
The hb hp swc was the bullet I was really interested in when I did those tests. The fbi used a 158gr hb hp swc for their 38spl "fbi" load. Buffalo bore uses a 158gr hp swc for their famous "short" bbl's 1000fps load.
The ca bulldog use a "fbi" style hb swc hp that weighs 210gr doing bb's "short" bbl'd 1000fps.
158gr vs 210gr
The bullet is a hb swc lyman 429422 that was cast from 8bhn/9bhn range scrap and air cooled. The hp was put in it using a forster hp tool and a 60* canter drill to make a hp.

lower left:
The 200gr gc swc hp I used in the test as a standard. It cast from 8bhn/9bhn air cooled range scrap. I've used that bullet in the short bbl's 44spl's for decades and have tested/shot different tests loads just as long. It was a head to head performance comparison between a gc bullet and a hb bullet.

upper right:
nothing more than a hbwc that is used for a control. Those were cast from 8bhn/9bhn range scrap and water dropped to cool. Water dropping them allows them to be pushed harder with heavier loads safely. Doesn't matter if they are air cooled or water dropped, I get the same velocities from them in the snub nosed bulldog when they are turned around to make a huge hp. When doing the tests above I was simply using the hbwc bullet as standard. I've loaded/shot/tested that same load/bullet numerous times and will still use it as a standard when testing other loads. If I run a 10-shot sting of those across a chronograph and don't get an average around 970fps, somethings wrong.

lower right:
Huge mistake!!! I had cast 100 of those with 8bhn/9bhn range scrap that were air cooled them then pc'd them red. I really don't like a bullet under 200gr in a snub nosed 44spl, but I wanted to test these to see what kind of expansion/deformation of the bullet happens. Well, I was casting some bullets with a single cavity mold for the 30cal's and was using a 3 to 1 range scrap/lino mix and water dropping them. Got me thinking about the raphine hb fn bullet (lower right), wanted to do some testing with a hard version of that bullet to see just how hard those hb bullets can be pushed until the bullets skirt fails or I start getting oval holes in the target using a 10" bbl'd 44mag contender bbl. Anyway it sure looked like a good time to cast some hard hb fn bullets seeing how I was at a snails pace with the single cavity 30cal mold. So I cast around 100 3 to 1 range scrap/lino bullets that were water dropped and then pc'd red. So when I went to to the test above I grabbed the wrong bullet. Instead of using the 8bhn/9bhn bullets I ended up using the 18bhn/20bhn bullets. Bad for expansion but surprising when it came to penetration. The recovered bullet in the test picture above went thru 14" to 16" of tightly bundled newspaper that was soaked in water for 24 hours.

Everyone looks for something different when testing bullets in snub nosed revolvers. I wanted to test hb bullets. I know that if I turn that 220gr hbwc bullet around and seat it to the same depth I will get 25fps/30fps more velocity out of that bullet. With the gc vs hb swc's I got 30fps more from the hb design. 30fps doesn't sound like a lot but when your dealing with short bbl's and hp's it can make all the difference in the world.

[trapper9260]

I have a Lee 240 SWC HP and I like it. But wanted a WC with the HP pins like this one on this post.

[catmandu]

Thank you for the write up and details. To me the HB and GC SWC's on the left did good.

Paul in WNY

[catmandu]

I forgot to ask, who makes the 200 gr SWC in the lower left pic?

Paul in WNY

[Oklahoma Rebel]

although with a concave pin face you could make a semi- wadcutter too, albeit a strange looking one

[RedHawk357Mag]

Cast some up last night. The hollow point pins are new thing for me but started getting it figured out. The one with the flat pins weighed 240 grains
How are you crimping? From the picture it looks substantial. If I was guessing, is it one of Lee's uncatalogued factory crimp dies. Not the carbide ring ones, but the one that has the collet. Thanks.

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[Forrest r]

I forgot to ask, who makes the 200 gr SWC in the lower left pic?

Paul in WNY

That's a h&g #142. A lot of people don't know what a h&g hp pin looks like. They think the steel pins that come with them are home made so they can be had for little $$$. The h&g #142 2-cavity mold that casts those 200gr hp's with the factory pin. I picked this mold up for $50 including handles because most people think of a hp pin as the lyman wooden handled pins.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/steel%20pin_zpsnfetvg1w.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/steel%20pin_zpsnfetvg1w.jpg.html)

[JeffG]

Sorry, missed this before. When I got the 44 Special, I decided for the first time I'd use one of Lyman's carbide 3 die sets. I have several of their M dies but this was the first complete set of dies from them. I am putting a firm roll crimp on it with their seating die.


How are you crimping? From the picture it looks substantial. If I was guessing, is it one of Lee's uncatalogued factory crimp dies. Not the carbide ring ones, but the one that has the collet. Thanks.

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