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xs11jack
10-07-2016, 11:52 AM
Police Say India-Based IRS Collection Scam Targeted Americans Published October 07, 2016 Lifestyle and Budget (http://www.foxbusiness.com/category/personal-finance/lifestyle-and-budget.html) Dow Jones Newswires
THANE, India – Minaz Husain Ladaf couldn't believe his luck this summer when he was offered a 40% bump in salary and other perks to work for what he thought was the U.S. government. But when he went to his new workplace to pick up his paycheck this week, he was picked up by the police instead.
Mr. Ladaf and dozens of fellow call-center workers have been locked in dusty jail cells in this booming Mumbai suburb since Wednesday. Police say they managed a telephone "scam center" where close to 700 workers called targeted Americans, pretending to be from the U.S. Internal Revenue Service, and raking in an estimated $150,000 a day.
They would follow a precise script, police said, trying to trick people into believing they owed thousands of dollars in taxes and were facing all kinds of ruinous penalties or even jail, in the latest example of what U.S. authorities say is a recent wave of tax-related swindles.
"Your 401(k) [retirement] plan will be frozen and confiscated, all your wages and benefits would be frozen," one script went, according to a phone recording released by police here. "Your passport will be seized along with your state ID and if you belong to a country other than the United States then you will be deported...your Social Security number will be blocked for the next seven years and you will not be eligible for any benefits such as disability benefits, unemployment benefits, child-protection income or retirement or pension."
The Inspector General for Tax Administration in the U.S. says it has fielded more than 1.7 million complaints from victims who have lost a total of more than $47 million to such scams in the last three years.
Police arrested Nasreen Bano Iqbal Bale Sahib and her two sons, Nadeem Iqbal Balasaheb and Shain Iqbal Balasaheb, who were listed as owners of the company, MAC Outsourcing Services Private Limited, that managed the floor in the 7-story building that hosted the call center.
There wasn't any immediate reply to a request for comment sent to an email address included with the company's registry. A phone number couldn't be located and police said they didn't have a contact for the family's lawyer.
Police said they were investigating the individuals who managed the other floors to determine if they had any involvement.
Of the 772 people in the building at the time of Tuesday's raid, deputy police commissioner Parag Manere said 70 so far were being charged with "cheating by impersonation" and forgery. Another 72 were questioned and released and the rest were asked to come to the police station to be questioned starting Friday.
Speaking on Thursday through the bars of a jail cell at the Thane police station, the 25-year-old Mr. Ladaf said he would plead innocent to any charges.
"We didn't want to cheat people," he said.
Mr. Ladaf said he found the job through a flier with bright-red letters advertising "An Urgently Huge Requirement" for call-center workers. With his strong English and experience at other call centers, he was offered the top salary as well as promises of bonuses and regular days off, he said.
When he started work Aug. 1, he said, the owner informed him and the other new recruits that the company had won a contract with the U.S. government.
"He said that we just had to collect money," said Mr. Ladaf. "He said we were getting data from a U.S. government department and that we were partners with them."
He was given a long list of people to call, he said, but as almost every customer swore at him before slamming down the phone, he realized he was probably not actually working for the U.S. government. He was planning to quit after getting his paycheck on Tuesday, but when he got to work police were raiding the office.
According to Indian police, the scam operators received phone numbers and other details about U.S. taxpayers from a contact in the U.S. The call-center workers directed the victims to nearby stores to buy $500 gift cards.
The victims were then instructed to disclose the registration numbers of the cards, giving the call-center worker access to the cash.
According to the recordings released by police, some victims were told they only had hours to make some kind of payment or they would be arrested and face years in jail and a $100,000 fine.
Closers, as the most skilled workers were known, would keep their victims on the phone for as long as three hours, police said, threatening them with immediate imprisonment if they hung up.
Police Inspector Nitin Thakare said he snatched a headset from one dialer during the raid and heard what sounded like an elderly woman on the other end. "She was weeping," the inspector said. "We felt so bad about it."
Every dollar squeezed from a victim would bring the employee a bonus of one rupee, or 1.5 cent. Police say one victim lost $88,000, earning the dialer more than $1,300.

When one employee made a big score, the others would applaud and bonuses were immediately handed out in cash, police said.
But the job could be tough, Mr. Ladaf said, as 99% of the people they called weren't fooled by the scam. "It was extremely frustrating," he said. "We took abuse for hours on end."

"We didn't want to cheat anybody", We took abuse for hours on end". Oh dear, those poor people, maybe Zero will send bail, being a tax scamer himself.
Ole Jack

Mytmousemalibu
10-07-2016, 12:02 PM
I have been called a couple times by these jackwagon's. I politely ask if there was a major freeway near his location and if so please go run out into the middle of it. Mankind would greatly appreciate the act.

modified5
10-07-2016, 12:11 PM
It is sad that people still fall for this scam. The IRS never calls anyone like that.
150k per day, just astounding.
Hope these people spend a long time in jail for their deeds.

white eagle
10-07-2016, 12:22 PM
it is sad in this day and age that people still fall for this
and other similar scams
Buyer Beware

Tackleberry41
10-07-2016, 12:38 PM
One would think the Indian accent would give them away. I got a call not long ago, from someone with a heavy accent, said they were from microsoft with some scam. But not always from India, got a call recently from Jamaica with some scam.

johnson1942
10-07-2016, 01:10 PM
i laughed like a donkey who just got a electric cattle prod stuck up his -------- when they called me, couldnt stop laughing, they just hung up.

snowwolfe
10-07-2016, 03:29 PM
They called me once. I told the guy on the other end he would have to wait until I finished having sex with his mother. For some reason he didn't think it was that funny:drinks:

Idz
10-07-2016, 03:59 PM
This scam works because the Government bureaucracy is so massive, inept, and corrupt that nobody really knows if it is legit or not. If somebody came to your door with a badge and ID and demanded entry would you know if they were legit? Most people have no clue what the myriad of agencies in the Government are, let alone what powers they have. About all you can do is call 911 and demand the local police send a uniformed officer in a patrol car to your house.

Driver man
10-07-2016, 04:10 PM
This was a world wide scam. I got a phone call from them a few months ago that was very realistic, except for the fact that they were using US terms such as IRS etc. All they wanted was $5000.00 . I regularly get calls saying they are from Microsoft etc.

6bg6ga
10-07-2016, 05:02 PM
The Microsoft calls are from an east indian guy. I asked if he would like to talk to my neighbor that works for the FBI and he hung up on me. Real Microsoft calls have a caller ID saying its from Microsoft. Have had IRS calls that I referred to H&R Block.

xs11jack
10-07-2016, 07:40 PM
Some of these guys sounded pretty America in their speech and these got bonuses for their work.
Ole Jack

kiwi
10-07-2016, 08:04 PM
I don't have a landline, Scammers don't call cell phones so I am missing out on all the fun:(

andremajic
10-07-2016, 11:15 PM
If it's an Indian scammer, it is helpful if you reverse it by claiming to be psychic and telling them how in a past life they were a thugee who strangled many innocent victims. Tell them that they can get their karma back on track by donating a 500.00 gift card to you that they won't have to work in call centers for the rest of their lives, or in the next reincarnation they will be in a much lower caste.

RugerFan
10-08-2016, 12:53 AM
I don't have a landline, Scammers don't call cell phones so I am missing out on all the fun:(

They call cell phones in the US. I got a call last week from a scammer with an Indian accent claiming to work for "United Tech Support." The connection was lousy (I assume he was using a VOIP line) and he said he wanted to help me with my "computer problem". Asked if I had a laptop, tablet or other device connected to the Internet. I just hung up.

nvbirdman
10-08-2016, 01:08 AM
I wonder if they ever called Al Sharpton.

MaryB
10-08-2016, 01:42 AM
I was called, I kept the dude on the line for 4 hours asking for repeats, giving wrong numbers... I finally said "Stick a grenade up your rear orifice and pull the pin!" then starting laughing. He was swearing at me!

Had another yesterday morning at 6:30AM(no legit business calls that early) claiming to be Publishers Clearing House and I needed to pay fees and taxes in advance(nope no I don't!). I said "There is a bomb in the building" then hung up. What are they going to do? Call the cops? :twisted:

starbits
10-08-2016, 09:29 PM
178427

iomskp
10-08-2016, 09:54 PM
The scammers do ring mobile phones ( Cell Phones ) in Australia, I get about one to two a day, since I no longer drive I regard them as entertainment while the apprentice drive us from job to job.

Regards Trevor

Three44s
10-09-2016, 08:30 PM
Both my father and father in law are in their late '80's and received these calls. They did not comply with anything fortunately but it took me a while to calm each of them down when it was their respective "turn" as it shook them up pretty well. It's a rotten deal that you can be targeted like that in your so called golden years!

We dumped our landline to stop all the pesky calls, scammers, politicians and other vermin right after we received the same calls as above. Our's went to our answering machine as we screened all landline calls and it was obvious about the fake because the terminology was also so out of wack in their message.

Three 44s

MaryB
10-10-2016, 02:21 AM
My landline rings straight to an answering machine. I do have a cordless phone on that line for emergencies(it i sin my bedroom) but the ringer is off and none of my friends have that number, they call my cell.

leadman
10-10-2016, 03:04 AM
My wife got one a couple of weeks ago on her cell from the "IRS". Told him to hang on the line while I called the IRS on my phone to see if he was legit. For some reason our call was disconnected??

merlin101
10-10-2016, 03:55 AM
I usually just say "I'm sorry, I'd love to help you but I don't speak English and can't understand you" That is almost always met with silence and a then a hang up once in awhile I get a laugh.

OeldeWolf
10-12-2016, 02:55 PM
I kept getting calls from someone claiming to be the microsoft service center. Finally, I got a whole phone number and area or origination that showed on my cellphone. It was from Iran. I called the CIA and gave the nice operator all the info. She sounded bored or sleepy when she answered the phone, but perked right up when I told her the caller was from Iran. You know, I got one more call from them, then silence ... Gee, I wonder if anything untoward happened to their equipment? I sure hope so.

Kestrel4k
10-12-2016, 03:22 PM
I keep them on the line by speaking softly (so they have to turn their headset volume up), while I walk over to my jacket to get my 120+db emergency whistle.
A good blast of that (while I'm holding fingers over my ears) and they hang up pretty quick.

MaryB
10-13-2016, 12:27 AM
Got a call today "you have great credit, we can cut your debt for free"(yeah right). As he was speaking the muslim call to prayer in the background and he hung up right away... Heavy accent, could barely speak english. Flagged it online and blocked it on my phone.

dave524
10-13-2016, 07:04 PM
I usually just say "I'm sorry, I'd love to help you but I don't speak English and can't understand you" That is almost always met with silence and a then a hang up once in awhile I get a laugh.

I have significant hearing loss and hearing aids and speak English and I can't understand half of what they say. Up here they say they are from the CRA, Canada Revenue Agency, the rest is the same.