The Baron vs. The Reverend

[joeb33050]

"B. Obama took his wife and children and went to the UCC Trinity church of "GOD Damn America" for twenty years. He liked that church so much he donated over 20, 000 dollars to it in 2006. I cannot decide whether he or O. bin Laden loves America more. I think that church is a black liberation theology madrassa. BvT "

I keep reading this here; then googled "Reverend Wright God Damn America" and read for half an hour or so. Finally found the text of the sermon from which this quote is taken, with context.

First, I don't think that we need political opinion or sniping here, this ain't the place.
Second, unless the whole sermon, or at least a lot of it, is printed; this or any quote is taken OUT OF CONTEXT and isn't understood completely or well by the reader.
Third, constant repitition in furtherance of a political goal, like this, like the Swift Boat Veterans (where are they today?), like the "Willy Horton Extravaganza" seems a uniquely conservative method of talking down to the electorate.
Now the Baron has every right to think or say what he wants, within legal (Fire!!) limits; even to telling what is effectively somewhat less than the truth. Not, however, without criticism.
First, I don't think that we need political opinion or sniping here, this ain't the place.
joe b.

[montana_charlie]

First, I don't think that we need political opinion or sniping here, this ain't the place.
Humor & Off Topic: This Section is open to Humor, Political & Religious Discussions . YOU MAY BE OFFENDED HERE.
If this isn't the place...where IS that place?

Anyway, when it comes to opinions...especially opinions about important matters...I like to check out what Thomas Sowell has to say.
Here is one of his more recent political opinions...or 'snipings', if you prefer.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/tsowell/2008/ts_06051.shtml

CM

[Bret4207]

With respect Joe, the header for this area spells out exactly what we can and can't discuss. If a nose gets bent then it's up to the bendee (?) to say so and if the bender wants he can straighten it out. Politicians are the ones most able to affect our hobby and our rights. If we can't have a level headed polite discussion about current events and politics then maybe some of us need to rethink our participation here. IOW- if you can't handle it don't join in the discussion.

[10-x]

Dear Joe,
As my Grandmother used to say, "wake up and smell the coffee". IMHO I believe 99% of us on this site realize where this country is heading and why. Everything and anything Political should be discussed here.
The so called "reverend" wright is DEAD wrong, anyone that claims to be a "preacher" that uses the Lords name in vain in any form will have to answer to God one day, and woe to them.
There was only ONE perfect man that ever walked this earth over 2000 years ago. I respect everyone's belief and whatever they want to think and do as long as they do not harm anyone.
Obama and his reverend just may be the end for this country.
By chance you have a problem with this, you might as well sell ALL your guns now.:Fire:

[45nut]

If this isn't the place...where IS that place?

Anyway, when it comes to opinions...especially opinions about important matters...I like to check out what Thomas Sowell has to say.
Here is one of his more recent political opinions...or 'snipings', if you prefer.
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/tsowell/2008/ts_06051.shtml

CM

This thread was originally placed in the Paper Patching forum, I moved it here.

[Junior1942]

IMHO I believe 99% of us on this site realize where this country is heading and why. Some of us believe this country is headed for Fascism without a MAJOR change in direction.

Guys, many Democrats support the Second Amendment. We're not the enemy. Those of you who support a one party system of government are the enemy. Think about that.

[Swagerman]

Its my opinion base on observations of the two party system, both Democrats and Republicans are a worthless assortment of political career sponges that are screwing us all with their graft and corruption.

I have no faith in their ability to govern us fairly, only to flim flam us.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it on the two party system, do they give us anything to vote for as a canidate...heck no.

Jim

[Four Fingers of Death]

ScheeoooooooooooooooT! Its teh same here in Australia, no matter who you vote fer, yer ends up with one of them politicans!

[waksupi]

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

[MT Gianni]

What I believe Joe is objecting to is the Baron's signature line which can appear on any post and in any area. My opinion runs the same as the old Judge in "My Cousin Vinnie", the late Fred Gwynn. "That was an extremely lucid, well thought out and well stated opinion. Denied" Gianni

[10-x]

Amen,
Just finished reading Elmer Keith's "Hell I was There" for the second or third time.

I strongly suggest every one read this book Especially the last chapter. Elmer knew what was/is going on.

I agree that just about all politicians need to be shown the door.
They no more represent us than the man in the moon.
Dang near every one of them are no different than a tic on a dog or a leech on your leg.
For the most part there is not a bit of difference between the dems and the repubs.
TERM LIMITS.........our only hope................or a rope:drinks:[/SIZE]

[Lee]

Seems the original post might have been in the wrong area.
Glad the "Swift Boat Veterans" were there.
Better a closet Democrat than a Socialist Muslim.
Waksupi said it all, have we all read it?
My $0.02.....................Lee:wink:

[Bret4207]

Some of us believe this country is headed for Fascism without a MAJOR change in direction.

Guys, many Democrats support the Second Amendment. We're not the enemy. Those of you who support a one party system of government are the enemy. Think about that.

A one party system? Both parties would prefer a one party system with THEM in power. Both major parties are hopeless, but one party is a litttle less likely to grab my guns, a little less likely to tax me out of my house, a little less likely to go on killing babies and denying the death penalty, a little less likely to open our borders to everybody who can get here, a little less likely to put our military under the UN, a little less likely to decide the rights of the minority outweigh the rights of the majority, just a little less likely to flush whats left of our country down the toilet.

[Junior1942]

. . . a little less likely to decide the rights of the minority outweigh the rights of the majority, just a little less likely to flush whats left of our country down the toilet.In just a few months the majority will speak. When they speak, I believe the party which has spent eight years doing the flushing can regroup and try again four years later. I suspect Obama will get close to 60% of the popular vote.

[Bret4207]

He may win Jr, but if his programs and ideas get passed it's the end of anything resembling America. He's an elitist liberal, an anti gunner, pro-afirmative action, another Jimmy Carter. I've had enough of both parties. I'm begining to think we're as good as dead.

[45 2.1]

In just a few months the majority will speak. When they speak, I believe the party which has spent eight years doing the flushing can regroup and try again four years later. I suspect Obama will get close to 60% of the popular vote.

Junior, both parties have been flushing us down the toilet for a long time. An independent as President might be a chance at surviving for awhile.

[Scrounger]

Dream on, Bret. Any stance the Republicans allegedly take are there because they are counter to the Democrats and for no other reason. If you could strip the party labels from all the politicians, their philosophies would be exactly the same: I want to be King; I want to be rich; I don't want some nut shooting me.

[Junior1942]

Scrounger, I like the way you think. The ultimate power lies in the voting booth. I compare the results to a pendulum. It swings right, then it swings left. On the way to either direction, it passes through the middle. As long as the pendulum swings, all is ok. Those who want it to stop at a point of its arch are who worry me.

[waksupi]

Have you considered, that both political parties may have chosen thier worst examples to run, hoping they wouldn't win? The government has screwed the country up so bad, neither party really wants to be in the driver's seat the next four years, as things go to hell. Who ever is driving, will get the blame.

[montana_charlie]

He may win Jr, but if his programs and ideas get passed it's the end of anything resembling America. He's an elitist liberal, an anti gunner, pro-afirmative action, another Jimmy Carter.
My wife just passed this email on to me. Don't know who she got it from.
It asks the kind of questions about Obama that we should like to know the answers to...


LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS STRAIGHT:

HIS FATHER WAS A KENYAN, MUSLIM, BLACK - WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS 'AFRICAN FAMILY.'

HIS MOTHER IS A WHITE KANSAN, ATHEIST, -

WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS KANSAN WHITE MOTHER AND HIS WHITE GRANDPARENTS WHO RAISED HIM?

HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER AND HIM WHEN HE WAS VERY YOUNG AND WENT BACK TO HIS FAMILY (WHO'S FAMILY?) IN KENYA.

HIS MOTHER THEN MARRIED AN INDONESIAN MUSLIM AND TOOK HIM TO JAKARTA WHERE HE ATTENDED A MUSLIM SCHOOL. MOM SURE GOT AROUND!

HIS MOTHER RETURNED TO HAWAII AND HE WAS RAISED BY HIS WHITE KANSAN GRANDPARENTS? WHEN? HUH?

HE LATER WENT TO THE BEST HIGH DOLLAR SCHOOLS, ON WHO'S MONEY?

HE LIVES IN A $1.4 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE THAT HE ACQUIRED THROUGH A DEAL WITH A WEALTHY FUND RAISER....HOW?

HE 'WALLOWED AROUND' AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ACTIVIST IN CHICAGO - BUT, HAS NEVER HELD ONE PRODUCTIVE JOB, DESPITE REPORTEDLY BEING A US SENATOR.

THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT A DAMN CIVIL RIGHTS POST, NOR IS IT SUBJECT TO SOME STUPID AFFIRMATIVE ACTION SET ASIDE.

HE ENTERED POLITICS AT THE STATE LEVEL AND THEN THE NATIONAL LEVEL, WHERE HE HAS, GENEROUSLY SPEAKING, MINIMAL EXPERIENCE. SOME WOULD MORE DIRECTLY SAY... SQUAT.

HE IS PROUD OF HIS 'AFRICAN HERITAGE.' BIG WHOOP.

BUT IT SEEMS THAT HIS ONLY AFRICAN CONNECTION WAS THAT HIS PROLIFIC REPLICATOR AFRICAN FATHER GOT A WHITE GIRL PREGNANT AND, IN KEEPING WITH THE FINEST TRADITIONAL AFRICAN CULTURE, PROMPTLY SPLIT.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT SPERM CARRIED A 'CULTURAL' GENE.

WHERE IS THE PRIDE IN HIS WHITE CULTURE? HIS AMERICAN CULTURE?

HE GOES TO AN 'AFROCENTRIC' CHURCH FOR 20 YEARS THAT HATES WHITES, HATES JEWS, AND BLAMES AMERICA FOR ALL THE WORLD'S PERCEIVED FAULTS AND THEN, WHEN CAUGHT, REPEATEDLY COVERS UP FOR THE WEIRD AND WONDERFUL PASTOR AND THE OUTED CHURCH.

HE CLAIMS THAT HE COULD NOT CONFRONT HIS PASTOR, BUT HE WANTS US TO BELIEVE THAT HE CAN THWART NORTH KOREA, SYRIA AND IRAN, PUTIN, CHAVEZ, ETC……

YEAH, RIGHT SPARKY!!! IT COULD HAPPEN.

I THINK I SEE HOW HE COULD BE A 'UNITER' AND BRING US TOGETHER. AFTER ALL, HIS LAWYER WIFE IS FINALLY PROUD OF SOMETHING IN AMERICA.

I THINK THE DEMOCRATS HOPE THAT NO ONE WILL PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER UNTIL AFTER HIS 'ELECTION.'

LIKE I SAID AT THE START, 'I AM CONFUSED!!!! JUST NOT THAT STUPID.

[Mumblypeg]

You're right on the money Charlie! Sad thing is WE know it but the dumb ass people that back him don't or won't own up to it. I'm begining to feel like the men who backed the American Revolution... "The only thing nessary for evil to triumph... is for good men to do nothing".( I would have thought of it first but somebody beat me to it.)

[joeb33050]

There have been any number of posts here that are negative-some downright untruthful-about Senator Obama. I have contacted the Senator and discussed this matter with him. We have investigated, and ascertained the names and adresses of the offenders.
The Senator and I agree completely that each and every citizen has the right to have and present any opinion. We support you, even though you are incorrect.
Remember this, and do not think that there is any connection between your opinions and the possible confusion regarding your Social Security payments that may occur starting in Februayy 2009.
joe b.

[felix]

Remember this, and do not think that there is any connection between your opinions and the possible confusion regarding your Social Security payments that may occur starting in February 2009. ............ Joe, what are you talking about? ... felix

[n]

100 years ago Americans paid very little in taxes as compared to today. America at the time was the most prosperous nation in the world. Along came politicians and their greed. Most politicians are into politics solely to represent themselves and to profit from the working American. Politicans are a canker sore on the ass of the American public.
Look up the number of different taxes that politicians have dreamt up in the last 100 years. The number and magnitude of taxes will astound you. We could probably work for $10 per hour and be better off if we didn't have all these taxes to pay. People need to wake up and tell the politicians that we aren't going to stand for this crap anymore.
I will post under a new thread about what a " BILLION" is. You folks do the math and figure out if you are getting screwed without a kiss.
Nighthunter

[45nut]

There have been any number of posts here that are negative-some downright untruthful-about Senator Obama. I have contacted the Senator and discussed this matter with him. We have investigated, and ascertained the names and adresses of the offenders.

joe b.

So you are saying you ratted out your brothers of the silver stream?
So much for the First Amendment,, are you so willing to give away your rights to the Second?

[Papa smurf]

Elections in this country are so phony and are not anyway near fair . The independent thinker and voter have no say whatsoever in who runs for public office, unless it happens to be someone that one of either of republican or democratic parties have chosen. As a independent voter and free thinker I am now to vote for the lesser of two evils -----really a slap in the face to me and everyone who cares about this country. GOD HELP AMERICA !!!!

[45 2.1]

So you are saying you ratted out your brothers of the silver stream?
So much for the First Amendment,, are you so willing to give away your rights to the Second?

One of the best posts i've seen you put out. Bravo...!!!

[Halfbreed]

Ken, sounds not only like a rat job, ( and do not think that there is any connection between your opinions and the possible confusion regarding your Social Security payments that may occur starting in Februayy 2009.)
But sounds like a threat at the same time, some folk don't take kindly to threats!
John

[joeb33050]

So you are saying you ratted out your brothers of the silver stream?
So much for the First Amendment,, are you so willing to give away your rights to the Second?

It's a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't this the humor thread?
JOKE!!!!!!
joe b.

[felix]

I sure hope so, Joe, but somehow I doubt it. Par for the course. ... felix

[Lee]

Please don't joke about the Muslim candidate.
What we all don't know about that boy will eventually fill several volumes........Lee:wink:

[45nut]

I saw no hints that it was anything but a threat and you had already taken action. I was pretty offended. Somethings are just a bit too close to the heart and with the overwhelming number of Quislings in our government already, the deck is stacked against us now, without giving them any extra help in rushing our demise.

[RugerFan]

It's a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't this the humor thread?
JOKE!!!!!!
joe b.

I knew you were kidding Joe. Obviously you don't have a hot line straight to Obama. Maybe you just needed to add a "wink" to the post or something so as to not alarm folks.

[Swagerman]

Joe likes to :kidding: our chains, isn't that hillerious...har dee har har.

Only trouble is it sounds pretty ridiculous the way he expresses it.

Jim

[joeb33050]

100 years ago Americans paid very little in taxes as compared to today. America at the time was the most prosperous nation in the world. Along came politicians and their greed. Most politicians are into politics solely to represent themselves and to profit from the working American. Politicans are a canker sore on the ass of the American public.
Look up the number of different taxes that politicians have dreamt up in the last 100 years. The number and magnitude of taxes will astound you. We could probably work for $10 per hour and be better off if we didn't have all these taxes to pay. People need to wake up and tell the politicians that we aren't going to stand for this crap anymore.
I will post under a new thread about what a " BILLION" is. You folks do the math and figure out if you are getting screwed without a kiss.
Nighthunter

100 years ago, there was
no Social Security
no Unemployment Compensation
no Medicare
no Medicaid
no Federal Reserve Bank, and banks failed, depositors lost it all, frequently
no Child Labor Laws (see The Missouri Breaks), 6 year old boys in mines
no company pensions
no Air Travel(or FAA or air traffic controllers or TSA)
no Interstate Highway System, no highway system at all
no OSHA, and workers were injured and died frequently-but who cares?Anybody ever hear of the Danbury Hatters?
no EPA, remember when lake/river/pond/harbor was polluted and that was just that?
no Unions allowed, 12 hour days, 6 days a week
Cocaine in Coca Cola, Heroin, cocaine available over the counter. No FDA. Anybody ever read The Jungle? Die from bad food or drugs, your wife gets her TS card punched.

I firmly believe that anybody who wants to go back, who doesn't want to pay for the Federal, State, County, Municipal programs and agencies, should be allowed to. We'll (Obama and I) enter your name in our computer, you won't have to pay any taxes, you won't have to suffer under any of the hideous programs managed by those do-nothing government employees.
No SS contributions or benefits. (Includes SSI and disability)
No workman's comp, no unemployment compensation, no medicare or medicaid, no travel by air or public road or train. Home school your kids, get 'em to work by 7 years of age. Let your employer treat you as he chooses. Live on a toxic waste site, drink polluted water and breathe polluted air, eat food prepared from unsafe ingredie, by sick people. No cops, criminals do what they wish, no jails, no methadone treatment, no DEA.

You have the right, the RIGHT, to your way of life, without Government interference. Just like they do in Mexico, Honduras, Kenya, Zimbabwe, China, and them other wonderful countries.

Let me know when you've decided, the Senator and I will help you out.
joe b.

[joeb33050]

Please don't joke about the Muslim candidate.
What we all don't know about that boy will eventually fill several volumes........Lee:wink:

Since you got that completely wrong, I'm guessing that what you don't know would fill about all the volumes. Wink.
joe b. (Druid)

[felix]

Don't need your help, Joe, for this situation, because the form to get you out of the system completely is already in place, and has been for many moons. Look up form 4029 from the IRS. Sign that, and you are severed from the purse strings 100 percent. ... felix

[joeb33050]

I saw no hints that it was anything but a threat and you had already taken action. I was pretty offended. Somethings are just a bit too close to the heart and with the overwhelming number of Quislings in our government already, the deck is stacked against us now, without giving them any extra help in rushing our demise.

You're suffering from the Republican imposed "Chicken Little" condition. "Everything is going to hell, and only I/we can save you."

In fact, there's not much of anything terribly wrong with this country. We've got enough to eat, we get most of our needs taken care of, no Higgins boats full of enemies are approaching the shore, no bombers are coming, and we all have the right to, and do, piss and moan about every level of government and every appointed-hired-or elected public servant.

There's no immediate threat to you or me or ours. There's no horrible doomsday coming. Lou Dobbs may sell a lot of toilet paper, but he ain't a great interpreter.

The "wicked serious problems engulf us " Republicans have found that if they can get us scared, we'll be more malleable.

Stand up, stand back, look around. Doomsday ain't on the horizon.

Are there problems? Was there ever a country or society without problems? What country has the best chance of solving those problems?

Remember, this is the Humor and Off Topic forum.
Wink
joe b.

[joeb33050]

Don't need your help, Joe, for this situation, because the form to get you out of the system completely is already in place, and has been for many moons. Look up form 4029 from the IRS. Sign that, and you are severed from the purse strings 100 percent. ... felix

This allows one to opt out of SS and Medicare only; and requires that 1. The applicant be a member of a certain religious group, and 2. A representative of that group fill in the form.

Workman's comp? Unemployment compensation? All the rest? You're still in the system.

You're wrong yet again, Felix. Wink
joe b.

[felix]

Par for the course again! They changed the form! Used to be all inclusive. The Mormons demanded the form in the first place, way back when. ... felix

[Junior1942]

The Republicans have at least 100,000 spin doctors. Some of them even get paid for it.

[felix]

It has nothing to do with party lines, Junior! I don't think you need to be in a certain party to get a medical/doctor license. ... felix

[sundog]

And the real crux of this is that income tax and the IRS as we know it today should cease to exist, along with the Federal Reserve. Congress should be allowed, per the Constitution, to appropriate only that money which is given to them. No borrowing. If a program is to be approved and funded it must have available funds from the people. The only 'fair' way to do this is the fair tax. The IRS would then become the US Tax Commision to administer the collection and distribution, but have NO regulatory authority.

Alas, that most likely will not happen as Congress is unwilling to give up its [corrupted] power.

Joe, be sure to report me. (I thought it was humorous..., and very perverted).

[Junior1942]

They're not MDs, Felix. They're SDs. They're experts at making mountains out of molehills. They're also good at wasting bandwidth. Their "Obama the Muslim" spin email has wasted untold amounts of bandwidth, and they keep sending it back and forth.

PS: many of Obama's near-ancestors on his African side were pagans! Pagans!! The horror!!!

[schutzen]

In just a few months the majority will speak. When they speak, I believe the party which has spent eight years doing the flushing can regroup and try again four years later. I suspect Obama will get close to 60% of the popular vote.


Junior,

The problem I have with this statement is I'm not sure it will be the majority that speaks. Oh, yes the majority will vote. But will they study and analyze the issues verses the positions of the candidates or will they just "parrot" what the "elitist" news media feeds them on the nightly news and the talk show circuit?

I have very little faith in any of the news media. They appear to want to make the news rather than report the facts. I believe the news media is trying to influence the US Presidential Election rather than reporting on it.

That's just my opinion, but it is mine and not the "news pundit" on the TV's opinion.

[Boerrancher]

He may win Jr, but if his programs and ideas get passed it's the end of anything resembling America. He's an elitist liberal, an anti gunner, pro-afirmative action, another Jimmy Carter. I've had enough of both parties. I'm begining to think we're as good as dead.

Bob Barr is the only man who as President can pull this nation back from the brink. Please check out his site. http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

Since there is not much difference between the communist and the socialist running, the only way to get real change is to vote for someone who is not part of the establishment.

[montana_charlie]

It's a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't this the humor thread?
JOKE!!!!!!
joe b.
I knew it was a joke, and it made me smile, Joe.
But, you posted it in a zone where some folks (like so many in the country, today) are 'too sensitive' about everything. It's that 'sensitivity' which drives all of the Political Correctness crap that distorts the true meaning of the words used in discussions.

When using proper PC-speak, it's really tough to come up with a truly well-worded insult, anymore.
Most politicians are into politics solely to represent themselves and to profit from the working American. Politicans are a canker sore on the ass of the American public.
The trouble with politicians is...being a politician is a well-paying job, with great benefits and a nice golden parachute. People see it as a 'career' instead of regarding it as a 'service' to perform.

The founding father politicians may have asked constituents for some 'expense money' to help them out when they had to be away from their homes, but they served for the honor of serving...not because they couldn't find real jobs.

If the big salaries and other bennies didn't exist, there would be no need to ask for 'term limits'.
CM

[bullshot]

[QUOTE=joeb33050;349306]

Stand up, stand back, look around. Doomsday ain't on the horizon.



If this oil thing doesn't straighten out, doomsday is on the way.

[Lee]

I have read quite a bit about the Muslim candidate, tho I have yet to read anything about him that would garner my vot. In fact if we only had a 2 party system, I must confess my vote would go to the Hilldabeast. At least with her and the pants-dropping buffoon she's shacked up with, I'd know EXACTLY what I'm getting.........lLee:wink:

P.S. And joeb, stop winking at me.....:wink:

[Junior1942]

If this oil thing doesn't straighten out, doomsday is on the way.Nope, drilling in the Artic Wilderness Area and off the coast of California would help a lot. It will happen sooner or later . . . when the rest of us insist on it. I support an extra $1 per gallon tax on California gasoline until they allow offshore drilling.

[Lee]

Possibly a side benefit of the drilling would be the final cracking of the San Andreras fault and subsequent slipping of Kalifornia into the deep blue sea.
Barrett could then once again begin selling "assault" weapons on the West coast.
.........................Lee:wink:

[Scrounger]

My political beliefs covering most of the last 50 years are that the Democrats are fools and buffoons, but they do less damage to the country than the thieves and scoundrels the Republicans offer us. McCain probably fits my Democrat definition more closely than he does the Republican one. I'd even vote for CarpetMan over the choices I have, knowing full well there'd be sheep grazing on the White House lawn, and there wouldn't be a live cat in the District of Columbia...

[montana_charlie]

Nope, drilling in the Artic Wilderness Area and off the coast of California would help a lot.
Junior, for once we totally agree.
The current price for a barrel is based on the 'futures' market. It's high because investors think oil will be scarce in 'the future'.

If we were to drill in those off-limits places, the 'future' would take on a different look...and if Congress just simply passed legislation allowing it, the barrel price would drop immediately.

The recent success (by the enviro's) to get the polar bear in a 'protected' status has made the drilling a greater challenge. In something I read, that was the gist of a statement by a Greenpeace type...that the polar bear thing was simply done to stop the possibility of drilling.
When you get right down to it, they don't give a damn about the bears...just their 'enviromental' agenda.
CM

[Swagerman]

How about flying those PB's down to the Antarctic (south pole) but guess that would put a dent in the penguins population.

Jim

[anachronism]

All Politicians are merely actors, playing a part. The two Political Parties make a lot of noise about voting, but does anyone not affiliated with the Government actually verify the talleys? Of course not.

Politics should be like Jury Duty, but with more stringent entrance exams. And term limits. And why on earth do we need Political Parties anyway? They've pretty much turned into street gangs in expensive suits. Think about it.

[Lee]

Perhaps this is why they are called "parties"??
Witness Okio's last election as evidence of the respect shown the voters. It didn't take 6 months for Guv Ted's Dimocrap AG to get outed for the Animal House clown that he was/is.
And not to defend the Repubs, Guv Bob's boys had their own "Coin-Gate" afair. Just another example of the contempt that we voters are held in by these political droppings. Vote 'em or out 'em?? I don't know anymore. Seems they are all crooks.
Those that can, do. Those that can't, politicize............Lee:wink:

[Baron von Trollwhack]

http://www.polarbearconservancy.org/site/media_center.html
BvT

[Bret4207]

I was unaware you had a sense of humor Joe. How refreshing.

[montana_charlie]

I was unaware you had a sense of humor Joe. How refreshing.
I'd say Joe told his joke the way I like to...no tee hee's, wink's, or smiley's as signposts to show you are in 'humor territory'.

If people read your humor and don't catch on, perhaps you were too subtle for your audience. If they take you wrong, they might feel insulted...requiring an explanation.
But, if you always have to tell people when to laugh, you might not be cut out to be a comedian...or you're working in front of a very tough crowd.
CM

[Junior1942]

>But, if you always have to tell people when to laugh, you might not be cut out to be a comedian...or you're working in front of a very tough crowd.

In Joe's case, I think it was both. . . .

[anachronism]

I dunno. I busted out laughing when I read Joes post. It was simply a variation of the old "I've been to London, to visit the Queen" gag. C'mon folks, do you really believe that Joe was palling around with Obama, discussing the future of your future social Security benefits?

[10-x]

I regret if my post(s) offended anyone.

I'd rather be called "touchy" than be unarmed and basically a slave.

I as well as many others here know what may happen after this election, remember the 1968 GCA? Expect 10 times worse.

I'm at the point that I see little or no humor regarding the election and possible outcome.

Most of us agree that nearly every representative dem or repub (haha) in DC needs to go home, or to france or some other 3rd world country.

Fellas it is time for SERIOUS discussions on this issue.

Perhaps we can all find humor with Carpetman's sheep![smilie=1:

[Bret4207]

Throw ALL the rascals out!!!!!

Problem is the ones waiting to take their palces are just as bad if not worse.

[Swagerman]

Here's something to chew on, the voting system is fixed. Fixed by the sleazes who are career politicians with long terms in office, they can give themselves the best benefits, raises, medical coverage...and the retirement is outstanding.

They can mess with the Constitution, your Bill of Rights, they can do whatever they damn well please and you can't get them out of office...and if you did happen to nail them on one too many bad errors in their life styles like sex scandals, murder, consorting with our enemy's by giving up our state secrets. You wouldn't even get a "Sorry" yeah, sorry you got caught.

Someone has got to legislate the government, make changes they can't change, turn them all into honest representatives of our nation. That's how the founding fathers had it set up in the beginning of this once great country.

When they get our guns, we will be just like any other 3rd world nation with no protection from them jackals. Any despot regime can steam roll over us and take us over under their subjugation.



Jim

[dragonrider]

"Stand up, stand back, look around. Doomsday ain't on the horizon."

Apparently you are not paying attention. I dare say many of you are not, DOOMSDAY is on the horizon and will happen in less than 100 years, and oil is not the problem, society is, more precisely overpopulation is the only problem on this planet that must be dealt with now or we face extinction. The population is already billions beyond what this planet can support sustainably. Zero population growth, actually population decline must be achieved now. If we don't, we die, it's that simple.

[felix]

Dragonrider, over population? You can get 300-500 folks per acre in the Texas land area alone with no problems using current engineering capability. The rest of the world would be entirely empty of folks. ... felix

[anachronism]

Here's something to chew on, the voting system is fixed. Fixed by the sleazes who are career politicians with long terms in office, they can give themselves the best benefits, raises, medical coverage...and the retirement is outstanding.

Hear, hear! Someone finally said it out loud.

[Scrounger]

Know what you're up against, Dragonrider? Organized religion. Is there a single religious order on Earth that doesn't encourage, even mandate, that it's members breed like rabbits? Their own selfish interest, of course, but government will never dare advocate that. A half dozen wisely placed Neutron bombs will do the job when it absolutely must be done.

[Baron von Trollwhack]

Let us have that discussion of aspects of obama's religious experience and see if there is truth to be found in contributions of posters.

I state that he did attend tucc for over twenty years, marry his wife michell there, and have his children churched there. I further suggest he did give the thousands of dollars in 2006 as I've formerly stated. These factual aspects are easily established.

Without getting any further can it be established why anyone , including obama would attend a church for such a long time? I thinked he liked the preaching. Is that reasonable for me to figure on?

[waksupi]

Doomsday coming? Probably not. But, all that stuff people gathered up for Y2K may be coming in handy soon.....

[JSnover]

Zero population growth, actually population decline must be achieved now.

The Chinese fed the same lie to thier people and instituted a zero-growth policy. It didn't work.

[Lee]

And if it is not a hi-jack, let us also have a discussion of obamas voting record, those votes specifically concerning the 2nd amendment, gun laws, gun rights, et. al.
(Not that it makes a difference. As stated here better than I could, all the political droppings should be swept out of office. One term....then Bye-Bye!)

[Swagerman]

Neutron bombs directed in special over populated areas??? Isn't that a little harsh on freedom of religion and in its application...but if you want some suggestions I'm sure a lot of folks here would chime in.

But remember this, all we got in Wisconsin is bunch of cheeseheads and the Green Bay Packers...and no more Brett Farve. :mrgreen:


Jim

[Scrounger]

The only religious reference was to ALL religions encouraging over-population. Where the bombs should be used was NOT suggested at all. To me logic would suggest areas of high population density. If I suggest New York City, London, Paris, Rome,New Delhi, and Beijing (?) will I have insulted a satisfactory number of religious and ethnic groups? Your skin is far too thin in this area of discussion and mine is probably boorishly thick.

[Bret4207]

No need for bombs. Global warming, bird flu, solar flares, meteors, starvation, the Asian Long Horn Beetle, tornadoes, Aids, Hep C, Super Flu, Super TB, DDT, MSG's, milk and fat women in spandex will kill us all of before we needs bombs. It's true. Read it all on the front page of the Enquirer in the check out line just the other day.....

[dragonrider]

"You can get 300-500 folks per acre in the Texas land area alone with no problems using current engineering capability"

Does this allow for land for food production,? In some places that level of overcrowding has already been surpassed, NYC, Beijing, Tokyo, etc, would you live in such a place?? The simple fact is food production in some countries lacks way behind what is needed to feed it's own people, and these same starving people are still making babies, where is the intelligence in that?
Scrounger you are exactly right, but at some time in the future religion will have to take a back seat to survival.

[sundog]

except around San Angelo, where Carpetman's Sheep Ranch will remain fully intact....

Louisiana will produce enough natural gas, rice, and catfish for sustainment.

The world's politicians can inhabit The Hague and Washington, D.C.

Those of us who feel that we are self sufficient can start a "New Frontier".

[montana_charlie]

Those of us who feel that we are self sufficient can start a "New Frontier".
That "New Frontier" sounds like a clean break and a fresh start. But, if you think about it for a while, you'll see it's got some problems.
CM

[sundog]

CM, you mean like people? Maybe that's why raisin' cows and having an ol' pot dog fer a pal is purdy good medicine.... Not to exclude my life partner and soul mate.

Watching pecan, hickory, hackberry and oak trees grow and casting boolits works purdy good, too. Pears and crab apple, too.

[felix]

Well, Corky, I'm not so sure about the Hackberry, except for maybe a few bird species. We can replace them with Black Cherry for gunstock production (second to Walnut in the USA). The very same birds seem to be attracted to this tree as to Hackberry. Both are side-to-side in my yard. And, we can substitute sweet cherry for the crab apple. Got seeds from a nice fruity tree down the street. Amazingly good fruit for any eating cherry this far south. ... felix

[Scrounger]

I started to say they will let their religious belirfs go when it becomes a question of their life, but they will follow the usual plan and let (force) some other group to give up their beliefs (and their lives). Nothing new about religious wars.

[joeb33050]

"Stand up, stand back, look around. Doomsday ain't on the horizon."

Apparently you are not paying attention. I dare say many of you are not, DOOMSDAY is on the horizon and will happen in less than 100 years, and oil is not the problem, society is, more precisely overpopulation is the only problem on this planet that must be dealt with now or we face extinction. The population is already billions beyond what this planet can support sustainably. Zero population growth, actually population decline must be achieved now. If we don't, we die, it's that simple.

Are you offering yourself as a sacrifice? Thanks!
joe b.

[montana_charlie]

That "New Frontier" sounds like a clean break and a fresh start. But, if you think about it for a while, you'll see it's got some problems.CM, you mean like people? Maybe that's why raisin' cows and having an ol' pot dog fer a pal is purdy good medicine.... Not to exclude my life partner and soul mate.
People...or their leftover works.

For a "New Frontier" to be new, it really needs to be empty, but...

Back when there was strong dialog in favor of creating the Buffalo Commons, I would wonder how they would keep 'people' out of the zone...after having moved all human activity aside to let Nature rule the land.

With all of the jillions of farmhouses, barns, machine shops...plus towns and cities...that would be standing empty -- you just know that various kinds of people would move into them.
Some to stop being 'homeless', others to run illegal activities in buildings that are not surveiled by police.

No, the Buffalo Commons would never be 'left to the buffalo', and a new frontier could never really be 'new'.
CM

[dragonrider]

"Are you offering yourself as a sacrifice? Thanks!"
I would have been disappointed had someone not said that. I am talking about the survival of humanity. I could go on for a long time about our future, but what's the point, the world is going to continue on it's greedy self destructive course no matter what.

[montana_charlie]

Well, getting back to Obama...have you all watched this one?
http://www.eyeblast.tv:80/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036
CM