Sick Of Buying Chinese Junk!

[leadman]

Just have to vent. The Dakota 4X4 had one cv axle that had worn the stub axle and cv shaft spline badly due to corrosion getting in. The O-ring had disappeared long ago, but that is not why I am fuming. I called O'Reilly's and ordered new axle shafts, seals, and cv shafts the other day and picked them up. Figured at almost 150,000 miles I would do both sides. Well, things went south from the start, retaining clips were missing so had to use the old ones, not a problem. Then I started on the other side and the old axle did not want to come out, pulled the cover which is very tedious as it is the front diff and can only get fingers on 4 of the bolts. Tried to install the new axle with the new retaining clips, won't go together so look at the clips. Edges are square instead of rounded, so get out a file and make them round. Finally get it all together, put on the cover, arthritic hands are cramped up, go for a road test and the last side(driver's) is leaking at the seal. Grab the shaft and is loose in the diff and from the axle to the cv shaft.
Take it apart and start measuring surfaces. The bearing area on the new axle shaft is .006" smaller than my old shaft with 150K on it. The splines on the axle are .012" smaller than the old shaft. I grab the old shaft and stuff it in the new cv axle and is sloppy in there as well but I did not bother measuring it. These are new parts so I did not think to measure before installing them.
The shafts for the driver's side were not all that bad so I reinstalled them and no leaks after a road test, with the same new seal.
We went on vacation to Michigan recently and the power steering box gave up on the '88 motorhome. Had to order one so also bought a p/s pump. Only problem with these is lack of o-rings with them to install the lines. But when I went to Auto Zone to buy new engine belts they came out with these belts that were thinner and about 2/3 as tall as my old worn belts. Made in China! Went down the street to NAPA and bought belts there.

This is just the recent incidents of buying new stuff that does not do the job. I hate to buy a newer vehicle as I like what I have but Dodge is not supplying all the parts for a 2001 any longer. I've been a mechanic since 1968 and it is getting very frustrating trying to repair vehicles with the poor quality of parts being supplied now.
The distributor of these parts is getting a phone call in the morning and the manager at O'Reilly's is getting an earful and a request for compensation for the extra time I spent on this repair.

[OS OK]

((The distributor of these parts is getting a phone call in the morning and the manager at O'Reilly's is getting an earful and a request<DEMAND for compensation for the extra time I spent on this repair.)) Take them a bill for your work!

Years back I heard about a bridge back East they had to re-bolt with new grade 8 bolts in a long setion of bracing or some such, of course the bolts came from China and it wasn't until they had finnished that they learned that the bolts were 'poser bolts' made to look like the head stampings on the G 8's.
If memory serves, they had to re-bolt again...I woulda been fit to be tied! That's outright theft.

Within the last 3 or 4 years or so there was a big to do over Chinese dog and cat food that was killing animals from a poison in the mix.

These Communist dogs are our enemies, since when do we want their trade...I hope and pray the Donald will rebuild manufacturing in America so we can tell these offshore industrialist to go pound sand.

I'm all for America First again, buy American made products again...be proud and independent from these thieves making every sort of 'poser products'. For all these corporations that took our jobs to some 3'rd world Nation to save on labor, tell them not to bother to come back...Boycott them all even if we have to do without some things for a while in the transition.

Your story really gets my back up...I've seen and heard it for way too long...

[historicfirearms]

I just had to do a wheel bearing hub in my CRV. I checked all the parts stores for a USA or Japanese bearing. No luck, the only one I could find was made in China. Most people are only getting 20K miles out of these Chinese bearings. Junk!

[HarryT]

San Francisco Bay Bridge out on the left coast "32 bolts snapped and put the bridge’s Labor Day opening in jeopardy (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/05/13/mtc-chair-says-bay-bridge-timeline-in-doubt-after-report-of-more-bad-bolts/)..., 32 of 96 high-strength steel bolts installed in a key seismic feature on the new bridge suffered from hydrogen embrittlement..." due to Chinese steel and labor.
Chinese goods are junk and often times dangerous but with the US 5% unemployment (and 100 million people being paid not to work) the US can no longer produce needed items. Someone ,a few years ago, made some very bad decisions and now the US is suffering.

[rancher1913]

this is why I don't use autozone or oriellys, they may be cheaper than napa but in the end they are not.

[1988-4551]

Installed a bad wheel hub bearing the other day myself, now need to disassemble to take the bad one back to autozone, exchange and reinstall.

[mold maker]

When the counterman needs to know the seat cover color to find the correct transmission part, you know you're in trouble.

[lightman]

I'm glad that I'm not the only one sick of this. If you buy clothes you better try on every shirt and pair of pants. They are not held to any standard. It makes me a lot less afraid of war with them if they put the same quality in their military and space programs. I hope somebody balances the trade out. There is a lot of Chinese stuff that is a forgery of american stuff. Everything from Leopold scopes and big name electrical equipment to machine tools.

[dtknowles]

San Francisco Bay Bridge out on the left coast "32 bolts snapped and put the bridge’s Labor Day opening in jeopardy (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/05/13/mtc-chair-says-bay-bridge-timeline-in-doubt-after-report-of-more-bad-bolts/)..., 32 of 96 high-strength steel bolts installed in a key seismic feature on the new bridge suffered from hydrogen embrittlement..." due to Chinese steel and labor.
Chinese goods are junk and often times dangerous but with the US 5% unemployment (and 100 million people being paid not to work) the US can no longer produce needed items. Someone ,a few years ago, made some very bad decisions and now the US is suffering.

Your point is valid but the (and 100 million people being paid not to work) statistic is not true. Please use facts not fantasy to support your arguments. Worse case of the 324 million Americans, 180 million are not working, 70 million of those are kids and 15 Million are looking for a job. That leaves 94 million adults not looking for a job, 40 million of those are retired. Now we are down to 54 million working age adults who don't have a job and are not looking for a job. If one in every four workers has a stay at home spouse that would amount to 36 million (one for every two kids)stay at home moms and dads so maybe there are 18 million people with no good reason to be not working or looking for a job. What is your problem with stay at home parents or retirees, why should they need to have a job. My Mom did not have a job when I was growing up and I think that was a good thing. I think more families should have a parent stay at home to take care of the kids and the house. It is a socialist plot that we need two incomes to support a family.

Tim

[tim338]

I am a stickler for quality parts. If I don't end up doing it myself I figure labor is the same to have cheap or quality parts installed. The mechanic I use says I am in the minority asking for the best parts available as most everyone wants it done as cheap as possible.

[dkf]

I usually get my parts from Rock Auto and buy only certain brands. I learned some time ago what the quality is on many of the parts sold by the large chains. You pay more for the parts from them too.

[leadman]

NAPA is selling Chinese parts also, said they have to complete. After I posted this last night I spoke with #1 son and had gone thru the same thing last year with his Tundra. Difference is he had a shop install the NAPA cv axle that leaked.
After elk hunting is over I'll go to a wrecking yard and get an oe part and rebuild it if possible for the other side.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Within the last 3 or 4 years or so there was a big to do over Chinese dog and cat food that was killing animals from a poison in the mix




That's the absolute truth. I've heard that there was going to be a class action suit about this, but haven't seen any more about it. I had 4 dachshunds and was giving them each a Kingdom Chicken Jerky Strip treat daily. First one developed bloody bowel movements and died, then a second, and when the third started I suddenly realized what the link was. Quit feeding them and the problem ended almost immediately. Costco had many complaints and at first said the Chinese had analyzed the treats and found everything to be o.k., then after continued complaints the same thing, more complaints Costco said they had the treats analyzed and could find nothing wrong. But now they don't carry them any more.

[OS OK]

I'm sorry for your loss Der...When I heard of this it multiplied my anger towards those ___________about 7 fold!

[bedbugbilly]

Let's face it . . . the Chinese are kicking our #$^%! All the outsourcing . . . elimination of skilled jobs in this country . . . hacking, money manipulation and down right refusal to live by the rules . . . . and it's not only affecting the automotive field. And really . . what recourse does the individual have? Yea, you can go back on the supplier and MAYBE get some satisfaction . . . but then again, they are just the distributor. Until everyone says "enough is enough" . . . and that will never happen as that would not be "politically correct" . . . China is going to continue to play games and furnish products that are "sub-par". I'm not saying all their products are . . . but it sure seems like there is a lot of "cheating" and "poor production" going on.

The "left" thinks that when a person "kicks" about such things . . . we are being "politically in-correct and "that is what America is all about". I got news for them . . . . they live in a whole different "dream world" than I prefer to live in.

What else can be said? Perhaps . . . "Vote Trump"!?

[Tackleberry41]

I have spent time in China, they are capable of incredible work. Unfortunately what goes on with their products is cultural. You cant trust ANYTHING they do. Even Chinese people hate to buy chinese products, they want Japanese, US or German. They adulterate EVERYTHING. So a company may specify certain specs, and you may even get it at first, but eventually they will try to cheap out. Bottled water in China has serial numbers to prevent fraud, yea fake water, gotta be a ton of money in that. The reason alot of our new fangled light bulbs dont last, they use Chinese capacitors. What I read was they were all made in Japan, some Chinese company got the recipe to make them, but discovered why the Japanese capacitors sold for what they did, the cost of the materials. So they figured we can just substitute the expensive one and nobody will notice. Only thats what made them work for any length of time. It cost US computer companies billions to fix all the failed computers using those capacitors.

Even the govt cant but decent products, everybody is corrupt there. So the Chinese military is forced to buy engines for their jets from Russia. Chinese built turbo fans tend to self destruct before a Russian one is even scheduled for any maintenance. The Chinese govt even tried to scam the Russians. They placed an order for something like 50 Migs. When the first 2 were delivered, the Chinese refused the rest, then proceeded to copy them. So when the Chinese went back for engines and more jets, the Russians would not deliver a single one until every one of them was paid for.

The corruption is so bad there, its hard to know where in the supply chain things went wrong. Was it the mine supplying the raw materials? Maybe they slipped you a mickey, or watered it down with something else. Was it the processor of the materials? Maybe he decided to make a few extra bucks. Everybody does it there, its not IF they will screw you over, but when and how hard. Its expected in China. Most companies do not stay open long, they come in make a few bucks, then as ordered dip due to the scamming, the owner bails in the middle of the night with all the money. And the govt to 'promote harmony' sends the police to keep anybody from complaining. Or maybe your just friends with the local party boss. They call it communist, buts really just greedy old men using the system to stay in power and enrich themselves.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Yes--poor doggies. There was an e-mail going around a couple of years ago that was just about as shocking as one can be. Many quality color photos, started with a Chinese guy on a small motorbike who goes around to the various poultry farms every morning and collects the dead chickens--dead for whatever reason. They're tied on the back of the bike and taken to a small plant where they're gutted, plucked, the meat cut into strips, bleached, then re-colored, coated with some sort of barbeque sauce, packaged and sent exclusively to Canada. The place really observed no sanitation at all as we would desire. The workers were just wearing ordinary jeans and T-shirts, lots of the prep work going on by guys sitting on a dirty concrete floor. Don't know if any of you saw that e-mail? What about the one where they raise talipa fish in Viet Nam in pools that have wire chicken coops suspended over them so that the main diet of the fish are the chicken droppings? I won't eat anything from the orient. They killed a couple of my dogs, but I'm not going to be next!

[OS OK]

I dunnoh what to say anymore, you know about these things because your Ox has been gored so to speak, you did the footwork to investigate and were convinced in what you found. Today with these 'Softheads' all around us now, if you try to warn them of any of this they want to shoot you right off the bat, your the 'messenger'...I've always loved my fellow Americans but now...I am becoming indifferent. This forum has prolly a dozen of these types, I run head-on into these 'Softheads' almost weekly. I suppose that it is just too shocking to the system for these types to come out of Denial!

[dragon813gt]

You can't just use a blanket statement of "Chinese junk." Yes, a lot of shoddy products come out of there. But a lot of it has to do w/ the acceptable specs. Look at an iPhone as an example. You don't see build issues because Apple has high standards and quality control. Now when it comes to automotive parts, Dorman doesn't have high standards. Harbor Freight doesn't have high standards. Blame the companies for accepting shoddy products and then willingly selling them.

A lot of tools are made on the same assembly line. They are just painted differently, have different standards and quality control standards. I hate the fact that we have outsourced millions of jobs. But I'm more angry at the companies that moved production then I am of the country that makes the product.

[elmacgyver0]

You can't blame the companies that moved production, you can lay that bone at the feet of the politicians that gave us free trade and the highest corporate tax in the world.

[needausername]

If you buy clothes you better try on every shirt and pair of pants. They are not held to any standard.

Yep. I Stopped ordering clothes online and when I go to a store the first stop is for a tape measure to measure the waist of pants, length of sleeves, etc. All the while I figure if I can't buy American, I can buy Continental, then Hemispherical, etc., trying to stay away from Chinese goods. Both Northern Tool and Harbor Freight are boycotted for tools and I'll order direct from US companies.

That being said, I know I'm blessed to have the choice to make. Many do not.

[trebor44]

Having worked in a wide variety of production and service sectors and having listened to the rants about products that are from the lowest labor cost countries I find this almost laughable if it were not so sad. Products are about profits not quality, some folks balk at high quality products at low cost. There is plenty of junk with the "Made in America" stamp. Remember the comments about beer cans welded inside the doors of USA made vehicles? It is up to the buyer to beware of their purchases, avoid the junk if you can. BUT sometimes it is the only game in town. Many top brands are made in China because of their lower labor costs, but they to are losing out to even lower cost labor markets and this is the never ending cycle of finding the cheapest labor and materials that will pass QC. If a product fails QC the solution is quite often to lower the standards to avoid a loss.

[mrrch]

A lot of production moved due to corporate greed.
Build it as cheap as possible to maximize profit.

[jcwit]

Guy's take a look at where the laptop/computer is made!

[shooter2]

I am not sure it is a socialist plot, or a plot of any kind. However, I too think there is a huge advantage to having mom at home.

JMHO, but there are two factors that contribute to the issue. First, our government spends far too much and our total tax rates are at the point where it often takes two incomes to live. Second, the tendency for millenials is for two or more cars and a big house. Is short, they spend too much.

Damned near everything is taxed. For example, 40% of our water bill is tax. I am nearly 80 years old and still pay taxes.

Term limits might be a good start. No retirement income after your 12 Years are up.

As a last resort we might have to follow Thomas Jefferson who said "from time to time our government must be refreshed with a revolution". At my age the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. The younger generation has there hand out and no sense of patriotism whatsoever.

and there is so much more...

[turtlezx]

NFTA has ruined this country and it wont be regained

[Four-Sixty]

China is a huge polluter. I heard a claim that the amount of damage they've done to their environment outpaces the wealth they've created.

Why don't enviornmentalists boycott China for all the polluting they do?

[walltube]

Canada!
Canada manufactures 1st. rate automobile replacement parts for American automobiles. Canada also manufactures, and supplies, OEM parts for newly assembled American automobiles. I've bought new, Canadian manufactured engine replacement parts for my 2001 Chev 350 c.i. powered van. Most recently, the belt tensioning pulley assembly(made in Canada) via the web at a lesser price than new-car dealer cost. A few more $$$ compared to 'off-shore', but so what?! It's North American made stuff. Merely ask and\or demand Canadian made parts if'n USA made parts are not available.

Canada has been our best, most reliable trading partner for many years. And, our only genuine friend and ally on a shared continent. Canukian Beer t'warnt too shabby either..:drinks:

Ya'll be nice to one another,

Wt.

[Yodogsandman]

Toyota is the only American manufactured parts vehicles made and assembled in the USA now. All other car manufacturing parts are made some place else and assembled here.

BTW, my dog developed a soccer ball sized tumor on the rear leg and had to be put down from eating chinese dog food sold at wallymart.

[bdicki]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-chinese-connection-fueling-americas-fentanyl-crisis-1466618934

[leadman]

I just bought a new Norcold RV refrigerator that runs on propane or 110v for our motorhome. Big "Made In USA" sticker inside the door. I made some modifications to the controls so had the circuit boards out. Guess what, made in China on them.
I don't believe that the low quality of Chinese products is new. I remember name in the old movies for the small Chinese sailing ships. JUNK.
The distributor of the axle parts expressed his sympathy for my situation, but that is all. The manager I know at O'Reilly's won't be back at the store until Thursday. I did get a full refund on the cost of the parts but I am going to push for my labor and extra gear oil I used.

And a little off this subject, but why has the price of engine and other oils dropped along with the price of gas? A quart of gear oil is almost $8 now and most engine oils running from $2.50 to $5.00.

I'm heading to northern Az to spent some time in the woods looking for elk.

[starmac]

You can blame it on politics or dorporate greed or anything else for that matter. None of them sold us down the river, the American public that demands cheaper goods have, plain and simple, the manufacturers do not have a lot of choice, unless they are only after the extreme high end clientele.

Several years I was in a truck, trailer parts suppliers business and wanted some chain hooks, by federal law the ones I use have to be grade stamped, and I can't use cheap ones. They laid some chinese ones on the counter, this is in a place I did thousands of dollars of business with on a regular basis, and they know I would prefer american products. I ask my friend if he didn't have some Amreican made ones. He replied that he did, but I wouldn't want them, so I told him he was dead wrong and to bring them out.
He brought them out and laid them out, PURE junk made to compete with the chinese market, I left with the chinese ones anyway.

[dtknowles]

I........And a little off this subject, but why has the price of engine and other oils dropped along with the price of gas? A quart of gear oil is almost $8 now and most engine oils running from $2.50 to $5.00.

I'm heading to northern Az to spent some time in the woods looking for elk.

The cost of the Oil in a quart of oil is 25 cents at todays prices if oil was $100 a barrel it would be 50 or 60 cents you are not really paying for the oil you are paying for the refining, marketing, additives, profit and other business costs.

Tim

[jcwit]

Chinese junk, take a look where a Nikon camera is made.

I do not consider them junk!

[mold maker]

I just had the third master cylinder installed within 30 days.
Yep Made in China. The extra labor involved cost way more than the part, but that's all there is available.

[Reverend Al]

Up here in Victoria they are rebuilding a main bridge that spans our inner harbour, the "Johnson Street Bridge". The project has been delayed because the order of steel that was ordered (from China of course) to rebuild the bridge didn't pass testing for strength! (Good thing they tested it first ...) Now they are waiting for a replacement order of steel that hopefully will be up to code, but the project is now WAY behind schedule ...

:mad:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/delayed-blue-bridge-project-an-expensive-lesson-for-victoria-bc/article30497337/

[longranger]

I have a good friend who is an engineer for Whirlpool, "The Chinese will build/make anything you want as well as you want it made for the right price". Companies moved off shore more for,less Gov. regulations,Unsustainable Union contracts,tariffs on required materials/ingredients, we have 17,000 tariffs on imported goods,let that sink in.
No one ever started a business thinking "I want to make money for everyone but myself ".

[osteodoc08]

Napas slogan should be "Napa or nothing" and promote US parts.

Sad thing is, most probably don't care.

[jonp]

I just had to do a wheel bearing hub in my CRV. I checked all the parts stores for a USA or Japanese bearing. No luck, the only one I could find was made in China. Most people are only getting 20K miles out of these Chinese bearings. Junk!

Replaced the suspension and steering on mine. CV joints and shafts, inner/outer tie rods, upper and lower ball joints etc..I went to 3 different parts stores and all were made in china so I came home and ordered the stuff online from am auto I think it was, for half the price. I figured if it was made in china I might as well save some money. All the parts fit fine and seem ok to me but I'm not a professional and I can't say how long they will last.

American consumers demand cheaper goods so are getting them. If you want to pay more then you can if you hunt around. The days of 100% made in America for everything are over which is why Trump claiming to bring the jobs back is a farce.

[PB234]

Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOWrqR_QFfg

Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lfxPI5ObM

See a lot of manufacturing jobs.

[mold maker]

When American workers price themselves out of jobs, whether by wages or production, the automation becomes perminate. Or the owners seek cheaper labor elsewhere. Either way, the US workers are no longer needed.
Owners invest to make a profit, not a product. The profit from the product, is the only important factor.

[OS OK]

I get that but...ever consider the 'profits' these International Corporations are generating....IMHO...most exorbitant. When they are oligarchies like the pharmaceuticals along with many others, they are brutal.
As a business owner, having competition...I couldn't operate in this fashion and have survived.

I tend to look at the causes of inflation somewhat differently.

[dtknowles]

When American workers price themselves out of jobs, whether by wages or production, the automation becomes perminate. Or the owners seek cheaper labor elsewhere. Either way, the US workers are no longer needed.
Owners invest to make a profit, not a product. The profit from the product, is the only important factor.

The CEO of a large U.S. aerospace company came to our factory to talk to us in a general assembly. I raised my hand and asked him in front of hundreds of his employee's if the Company was willing to accept a lower return on investment to be part of the prestigious U.S. space programs, basically his answer was No, we have an expected rate of return and all programs need to target this rate of return on investment. Nothing wrong with that answer, I guess but it lets you know that the Company puts Shareholders ahead of Patriotism. I guess that is the right answer profit is more important than Progress.

Tim

[9w1911]

Hi, leadman, that is how they make their money on manufacturing, by knocking off raw materials making their own cheaper version of say American steel, and by shaving or adding hundredths of an inch on parts to save metal or reduce manufacturing time.

[garym1a2]

Having been to China 11 or 12 times myself I can tell that you have a lot of experance with them. You want a cheap product they will supply a cheap low quality part. You want a good part and pay for it you can get it. Just make sure to keep westerners that work for you in the factory as the Chinase that work for you will find a way to become rich. Those in sourcing are the worse. Other thing is don't buy electronic components in China except from name brands thru US distrutors.



I have spent time in China, they are capable of incredible work. Unfortunately what goes on with their products is cultural. You cant trust ANYTHING they do. Even Chinese people hate to buy chinese products, they want Japanese, US or German. They adulterate EVERYTHING. So a company may specify certain specs, and you may even get it at first, but eventually they will try to cheap out. Bottled water in China has serial numbers to prevent fraud, yea fake water, gotta be a ton of money in that. The reason alot of our new fangled light bulbs dont last, they use Chinese capacitors. What I read was they were all made in Japan, some Chinese company got the recipe to make them, but discovered why the Japanese capacitors sold for what they did, the cost of the materials. So they figured we can just substitute the expensive one and nobody will notice. Only thats what made them work for any length of time. It cost US computer companies billions to fix all the failed computers using those capacitors.

Even the govt cant but decent products, everybody is corrupt there. So the Chinese military is forced to buy engines for their jets from Russia. Chinese built turbo fans tend to self destruct before a Russian one is even scheduled for any maintenance. The Chinese govt even tried to scam the Russians. They placed an order for something like 50 Migs. When the first 2 were delivered, the Chinese refused the rest, then proceeded to copy them. So when the Chinese went back for engines and more jets, the Russians would not deliver a single one until every one of them was paid for.

The corruption is so bad there, its hard to know where in the supply chain things went wrong. Was it the mine supplying the raw materials? Maybe they slipped you a mickey, or watered it down with something else. Was it the processor of the materials? Maybe he decided to make a few extra bucks. Everybody does it there, its not IF they will screw you over, but when and how hard. Its expected in China. Most companies do not stay open long, they come in make a few bucks, then as ordered dip due to the scamming, the owner bails in the middle of the night with all the money. And the govt to 'promote harmony' sends the police to keep anybody from complaining. Or maybe your just friends with the local party boss. They call it communist, buts really just greedy old men using the system to stay in power and enrich themselves.

[jcwit]

I note that OK OK says that " 'profits' these International Corporations are generating....IMHO...most exorbitant." IHO.

But I sorta take that as saying the rich should pay their "fair share"!

What is "exorbitant" and what is "fair share".

Remember, no one ever got hired by a poor man.

[OS OK]

I suppose you could Google 'exorbitant pharma* prices' ...and see if I exaggerate...

It's Time to Rein in Exorbitant Pharmaceutical Prices (https://hbr.org/2015/09/its-time-to-rein-in-exorbitant-pharmaceutical-prices)https://hbr.org/.../its-time-to-rein-in-exorbitant-pharmaceutic...






Harvard Business Review


Sep 22, 2015 - It's Time to Rein in Exorbitant Pharmaceutical Prices ... But pharmaceutical companies aren't to blame. ... a pricing strategy consultant and author of The 1% Windfall: How Successful Companies Use Price to Profit and Grow.


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Apr 8, 2013 - But the drug industry's profits are excessive as a result of ... Combined Net Profits of Top Pharmaceutical Companies Medicare Part D.


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Health Care for America NOW!


Apr 8, 2013 - In 2012 alone, the drug companies' profits reached $83.9 billion, ... “The drug industry's profits are excessive as a result of overcharging ...


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Jul 21, 2016 - An Important Remedy to Pharma's Exorbitant Pricing ... that places the health of Americans over the profits of corporations is in the best interest ...


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[jcwit]

I didn't look or consider phara companies, was only focused on hard goods.

One reason I didn't is because all of my health care is covered by the VA, and the care is excellent.

If Maytag wishes to make a higher profit than they can make here, I can see their point. Same goes for Ford with their smaller cars. I may not like it but business is business and the name of the game is profits.

Few if any people who start a company to make a quality produce do so to make the line worker rich, they do so to make themselves and any shareholders "if any" rich.

Few floor sweepers out there are making $15/20 dollars an hour.

Up to this point this thread was all about hard goods.

[40-82 hiker]

this is why I don't use autozone or oriellys, they may be cheaper than napa but in the end they are not.

Six years ago I did a timing belt job on my wife's Subaru. I got the water pump from Autozone (sic, Chinese water pump), installed a new tensioner, a couple of idlers, belt, water pump, etc. 13 months later the water pump seal let go, meaning I had to redo the job. I replaced the water pump with a Subaru pump, and will never look back. No more Chinese for me if it can be helped. Truly sick of the junk thrown at us with little to no recourse. Autozone? When I called about the water pump I was told it was Chinese, and the person I was speaking with told me he was surprised it lasted the 13 months. The Subaru water pump lasted the entire timing belt schedule, and another Subaru (Japanese) water pump is now in the car since the last scheduled belt replacement I did last fall.

NAPA? Gone to them for decades. The water pump from Autozone was just convenient the day I purchased it. What a mistake...

[jcwit]

Six years ago I did a timing belt job on my wife's Subaru. I got the water pump from Autozone (sic, Chinese water pump), installed a new tensioner, a couple of idlers, belt, water pump, etc. 13 months later the water pump seal let go, meaning I had to redo the job. I replaced the water pump with a Subaru pump, and will never look back. No more Chinese for me if it can be helped. Truly sick of the junk thrown at us with little to no recourse. Autozone? When I called about the water pump I was told it was Chinese, and the person I was speaking with told me he was surprised it lasted the 13 months. The Subaru water pump lasted the entire timing belt schedule, and another Subaru (Japanese) water pump is now in the car since the last scheduled belt replacement I did last fall.

NAPA? Gone to them for decades. The water pump from Autozone was just convenient the day I purchased it. What a mistake...

Tell us the country of origin of the laptop/computer you are typing on!

Or how bout the country of origin of any TV's in your house.

There is little use of trying to get around chinese goods.

It's my understanding even Plumb brand hammers are now made in china.

None of need to like it, but we live with it!

[dtknowles]

It is a big market place now and it is hard to know if you are getting a quality product and a fair price. Certainly just judging by the claimed country of origin is not a sure thing.

Trying to save money buying aftermarket parts is even more risky now.

Look at some of the guns we talk about. If you want quality you not only have to look at who made it but what year it was made.

Tim

[blackthorn]

2 years ago I bought a small (but expensive) Puma hunting knife. It was made in Germany. Overall, the quality was just barely acceptable. Last year I was going to get another (same) knife for my son. Made in China, but on investigation I found it was made with German components. $50+ compared to $200+ and the Chinese model was by far the better workmanship. There is a BUT here and that is that the Chinese knife is significantly smaller in all dimensions, so ----

[salpal48]

This may be Hard to swallow But all Americans Including myself deserve all the Cheap Chinese Junk they Buy.Back before all this Free Trade nonsense All or most American complained How expensive Items were . The motto hold true . " Cheap is good , Expensive is Bad." Now everyone made there Bed and they don't Like it.. Who do you think Made all That stuff. American Workers. . The answer was Why should we pay These wages If we can Get It cheaper.
Americans Flocked to Cheaper stores with Knock Off stuff. now Not only You don't have the Money to even Buy the Cheap Junk. Why , you don't have a decent job to Buy it. so now the store Issued Credit cards. . Look @ it this was. Not Only your stuck making 0. Zip. your In debt up to Your eyeball.
. At one time You purchased things That lasted. Now everything is Junk.
remember the old saying " Becarful what you wish for"

[Plate plinker]

I still avoid china junk whenever possible, even if it cost me more money. Buy American tools. Often I find old quality tools from garage sales, auctions, or pawn shops.

[jcwit]

I have yet to ever, that is ever, bread a Harbor Freight tool or any other chinese tool. But then I have never wrenched for a living, most of my life working for others was in management. But I did wrench for myself.

Price a Nikon camera made in china versus a Zeiss camera made in Germany!

Both are excellent!

Looks lika zeiss is no longer available, so switch to Leica.

[historicfirearms]

A lot of production moved due to corporate greed.
Build it as cheap as possible to maximize profit.
That is true. It got too expensive to build things here due to government overreach, high taxes, regulations, and high labor costs due to unions and government. Corporations are in the business to make money, period. If they figure they can make more from Chinese labor, then more power to them. Just don't complain that the government should punish them for moving jobs offshore, it is too late at that point to do anything. The government should have made if more attractive for them to stay here before they moved. I can't believe the socialist thinking of some of these gun people. We are in a global economy and our politicians better get their heads out of their behinds before every job leaves the country.

[Tackleberry41]

Problem is anymore you really dont know what your buying. Some brands are obvious, some are not. In the music world Celestian were the speakers to have. Well they moved most of their production to China, not that the price went down. They still have a premium line thats made in England, and the price reflects it. A celestian blue is an extra $100 over a chinese made model. As I understand it, the machinery is the same, they moved it. And its all watched carefully by people from Celestian. So the quality is still there.

The Chinese are notorious for farming work out. They may show you a quality part, both parties sign a contract. Then the 'maker' takes the money and gets somebody else to do the work, for much cheaper. He knows it not the same quality, but does not care. When you do figure out the switch, hes already cashed out and gone. Companies come and go pretty quick in China.

I remember going to Nanning looking for a guitar to play while I was there. Now the smart thing for a music shop in a city that big would be to scatter them around. Not in China. If you set up a shop, and other Chinese see you making money, they figure your stealing theirs. So they set up shop right next door to you, and undercut your price. Then somebody does it to them, on and on. Every guiter place in a city of several million was in one little mall. You could go from place to place getting a lower price. I went back 6 mo later they were all gone, and no music shops in the city.

And something us Americans have a hard time understanding is Chinese people do not believe in contracts. Yea they will sign one, but it has zero value to them, they are going to do what they want anyways. Just as dishonesty is cultural. They do not differentiate between the truth and a lie. Both are the same, what you need to say in the moment to get what you want. So they can tell you today the sky is green with yellow polka dots, then tomorrow say its red with green polka dots with a straight face. They didn't lie, imagine an entire nation of pathological liars. Its a pit of vipers all looking to scramble over top of each other to get more than the others.

So apple watches them like a hawk, and can produce a decent product, turn your back for a second and your done.

[OS OK]

In a 'Godless Society' anything and everything that represents honesty and good character or reliability and longevity or (fill in the blank _______________) goes on the alter...sacrificed to the 'one god they worship'...'money, power and greed'...nuff said!

[dtknowles]

In a 'Godless Society' anything and everything that represents honesty and good character or reliability and longevity or (fill in the blank _______________) goes on the alter...sacrificed to the 'one god they worship'...'money, power and greed'...nuff said!

There can be no "Godless Society" there is a God and denying that will not make God go away. In a Secular Society, Honesty, Good Character, Reliability, and Longevity will still be valued by the intelligent and effective members of that Society even the ones who don't believe in God. Even Crooks understand those values.

If when you said "Godless" you mean "Irreligious" I don't think changes the value of Honesty, Good Character, Reliability, and Longevity. If what you really mean is "Non-Christian" then it could change that is considered "Good Character"

To me "Good Character" is just another way of saying follows the Golden Rule. The "do unto others" golden rule not the "He who has the Gold" golden rule.

Tim

[OS OK]

Tim, I think you overanalyze a simple statement and suggest what I did not imply..."Godless''...Those, people who have no God, they may have gods but they do not have a God, 'The Great Creator' of the Universe and everything within, all that there is...The same God of the Old Testament.

Christians shouldn't be surprised by what they see today, it's all been Prophesied...of course they would have to have studied their Scripture and not all do that for some reason. The information is out there, just have to let it in.

"Crooks understand those values."...Really?....:bigsmyl2:...and intelligence doesn't have anything to do with it.

You know exactly my position on this, whataya say...we won't hack this one again!

[dtknowles]

Tim, I think you overanalyze a simple statement and suggest what I did not imply..."Godless''...Those, people who have no God, they may have gods but they do not have a God, 'The Great Creator' of the Universe and everything within, all that there is...The same God of the Old Testament.

Christians shouldn't be surprised by what they see today, it's all been Prophesied...of course they would have to have studied their Scripture and not all do that for some reason. The information is out there, just have to let it in.

"Crooks understand those values."...Really?....:bigsmyl2:...and intelligence doesn't have anything to do with it.

You know exactly my position on this, whataya say...we won't hack this one again!

Nope, you don't seem to understand.

Yes, Intelligence has a lot to do with it.

Tim

[leadman]

Well, I came back early from my elk scouting trip early. The story is my 10+ year old Coleman Sundome tent broke the door zipper after the May fishing trip as I was cleaning it up to store it at home. I could not get the same tent again in the size I wanted but found an interesting Coleman Cabin Tent with quick set-up. After I received it, along with the optional rain fly I set it up in the yard and it looked good. This was in late May of this year, did not use until this scouting trip.
I set the tent up just as it was getting dark so did not set up the 12' X 12' canopy over top of it. I was doing it with the old tent as it was not as waterproof as it once was. This was a BIG mistake as it started to thunder and lightening and then it rained. I would consider it a light thunder storm. Within about 20 minutes the water was running in rivulets down the inside of the tent and within an hour the rain fly and the roof of the tent created a mini rain storm inside the tent. The fabric and seams were leaking big time. I ended up sleeping on my cot under garbage bags to keep my sleeping bag dry. The rain fly was useless as it would gather water between the tent poles and then dump it down the side of the tent and in the flashlight beam I could see a mist of water coming thru the tent walls.
I called the company, VMinnovations, that I purchased the tent from on E-Bay and they responded that even though it was beyond their 60 day refund policy they would either the tent or give me store credit, with me paying for the return shipping. This response was appropriate so no problem there, they stepped up. They did mention that they do not consider any of the Coleman or other tents they sell to only be water resistant, not waterproof. I told them I would see what Coleman would do for me.
When I contacted Coleman they also stated they do not consider their tents waterproof, just water resistant. I told here it is about as water resistant as a bath towel. Advertising for some of the Coleman tents states they are waterproof. I told the rep that my Sundome was over 10 years old and it was was more waterproof than this new tent. My old tent was most likely an American produced tent. I asked where they have them made now and she named several Far East countries. Coleman is sending me seam tape and and some spray waterpfoofing to apply to see if it helps at no cost to me. So Coleman did respond favorably in a fashion, but I did tell the rep that there will not be another Coleman tent in my future and if these products don't help it is going in the trash.
The Coleman tent was not made in China, but in Bangladesh. About the same I guess.
I did get the tent set up in the yard today and the Quick Set poles, which are attached to the tent are great and it does only take a couple of minutes for one person the set it up. It did however take me about 10 minutes to get it back in the carry bag to put it away.

I do have some OE parts from Dodge on order to replace the Chinese parts. A different parts clerk found them in another screen location with updated part numbers as they modified the parts. Guess it pays to check more than once at the Dodge parts counter. About $100 more than Chinese parts per side.

[kingstrider]

Good luck finding American made auto parts these days. I have a '72 Cheyenne truck and most of my parts come from ebay or one of the various forums that sells NOS parts.

[tomme boy]

this is why I don't use autozone or oriellys, they may be cheaper than napa but in the end they are not.

SO NOT TRUE! Napa get their parts from the SAME people as all of the other places. I different box is all they do. My best friend owns a repair shop and I am there almost everyday. I listen to the mechanics about all of the parts out there. Napa has just as many junk parts as the others. It is ALL made in China so what are you going to do? You have to hold these companies accountable for the junk they are buying.

My friend took Napa to small claims court a couple of times on disputes over labor because of junk parts. If you really want it to be done right, you must use actual OEM parts.

[jonp]

Well, I came back early from my elk scouting trip early. The story is my 10+ year old Coleman Sundome tent broke the door zipper after the May fishing trip as I was cleaning it up to store it at home. I could not get the same tent again in the size I wanted but found an interesting Coleman Cabin Tent with quick set-up. After I received it, along with the optional rain fly I set it up in the yard and it looked good. This was in late May of this year, did not use until this scouting trip.
I set the tent up just as it was getting dark so did not set up the 12' X 12' canopy over top of it. I was doing it with the old tent as it was not as waterproof as it oncge was. This was a BIG mistake as it started to thunder and lightening and then it rained. I would consider it a light thunder storm. Within about 20 minutes the water was running in rivulets down the inside of the tent and within an hour the rain fly and the roof of the tent created a mini rain storm inside the tent. The fabric and seams were leaking big time. I ended up sleeping on my cot under garbage bags to keep my sleeping bag dry. The rain fly was useless as it would gather water between the tent poles and then dump it down the side of the tent and in the flashlight beam I could see a mist of water coming thru the tent walls.
I called the company, VMinnovations, that I purchased the tent from on E-Bay and they responded that even though it was beyond their 60 day refund policy they would either the tent or give me store credit, with me paying for the return shipping. This response was appropriate so no problem there, they stepped up. They did mention that they do not consider any of the Coleman or other tents they sell to only be water resistant, not waterproof. I told them I would see what Coleman would do for me.
When I contacted Coleman they also stated they do not consider their tents waterproof, just water resistant. I told here it is about as water resistant as a bath towel. Advertising for some of the Coleman tents states they are waterproof. I told the rep that my Sundome was over 10 years old and it was was more waterproof than this new tent. My old tent was most likely an American produced tent. I asked where they have them made now and she named several Far East countries. Coleman is sending me seam tape and and some spray waterpfoofing to apply to see if it helps at no cost to me. So Coleman did respond favorably in a fashion, but I did tell the rep that there will not be another Coleman tent in my future and if these products don't help it is going in the trash.
The Coleman tent was not made in China, but in Bangladesh. About the same I guess.
I did get the tent set up in the yard today and the Quick Set poles, which are attached to the tent are great and it does only take a couple of minutes for one person the set it up. It did however take me about 10 minutes to get it back in the carry bag to put it away.

I do have some OE parts from Dodge on order to replace the Chinese parts. A different parts clerk found them in another screen location with updated part numbers as they modified the parts. Guess it pays to check more than once at the Dodge parts counter. About $100 more than Chinese parts per side.
coleman tents are great for the kids to sleep in the backyard but i would never buy one for serious camping.
best tent i have had was a eurika! Dome. I lived in it a couple of summers and used it all over the states before the screen zipper finaly broke.
There are companies that make serious hiking/expedition tents and as you found out they are worth the extra money. Manufactures will make a tent to the specs given them. You get what you pay for

[dragon813gt]

I would never use Coleman tent anywhere besides the backyard of my house. I have a bunch of tents in varying sizes and weights. They are either North Face or Kelty. You get what you pay for when it comes to backpacking/camping items.

I honestly can't tell you if Kelty's and North Face's tents are still quality. Mine are all over a decade old. I did just purchase some North Face luggage and it's been worth the cost. Wasn't happy spending $300 on one bag. But it's holding up better than any suitcase I've ever had. I'm positive I will still be able to use the Kelty child carrier I bought when I have grandkids in two decades or so :laugh:

[mold maker]

The last two posters both state that you get what you pay for. That phrase may have once been true but today, I guarantee you over pay for what you get. Both the junk and the expensive stuff is way overpriced. You just feel better if what you get lives up to expectations.
The phrase should be, "You pay for what ya get, and then some".

[salpal48]

Most people have Pointed The Finger The Govt, Free trade, Companies. The real Culprit is Us. The american Consumer . You as consumers Demanded more and More Cheap stuff.. Companies Gave Us that. . Just Because Most lost there Job, In manufacturing/ Has no Bearing On the That. Americans Love all That Junk. Remember that Saying " Buy American". well it should be" Buy American as long as it's Cheap "
The american Public should Look in the mirror and Point

[pressonregardless]

Everything from Leopold scopes and big name electrical equipment to machine tools.



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BOSMA LTD.
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LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


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PHILIPPINE ECONOMIC ZONE AUTHORITY LAPU-LAPU CITY, CEBU PH
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LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
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BOSMA LTD.
RM 1003, C1 INNOVATION BUILDING, 182 KEXUE AVE, SCIENCE CITY GUANGZHOU CN
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


PHILIPPINE KENKO CORPORATION
PHILIPPINE ECONOMIC ZONE AUTHORITY LAPU-LAPU CITY, CEBU PH
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


BOSMA LTD.
RM 1003, C1 INNOVATION BUILDING, 182 KEXUE AVE, SCIENCE CITY GUANGZHOU CN
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


BOSMA LTD.
RM 1003, C1 INNOVATION BUILDING, 182 KEXUE AVE, SCIENCE CITY GUANGZHOU CN
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


PHILIPPINE KENKO CORPORATION
PHILIPPINE ECONOMIC ZONE AUTHORITY LAPU-LAPU CITY, CEBU PH
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


BOSMA LTD.
RM 1003, C1 INNOVATION BUILDING, 182 KEXUE AVE, SCIENCE CITY GUANGZHOU CN
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


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PHILIPPINE KENKO CORPORATION
PHILIPPINE ECONOMIC ZONE AUTHORITY LAPU-LAPU CITY, CEBU PH
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


PHILIPPINE KENKO CORPORATION
PHILIPPINE ECONOMIC ZONE AUTHORITY LAPU-LAPU CITY, CEBU PH
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


PHILIPPINE KENKO CORPORATION
PHILIPPINE ECONOMIC ZONE AUTHORITY LAPU-LAPU CITY, CEBU PH
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


BOSMA LTD.
RM 1003, C1 INNOVATION BUILDING, 182 KEXUE AVE, SCIENCE CITY GUANGZHOU CN
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


BOSMA LTD.
RM 1003, C1 INNOVATION BUILDING, 182 KEXUE AVE, SCIENCE CITY GUANGZHOU CN
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


PHILIPPINE KENKO CORPORATION
PHILIPPINE ECONOMIC ZONE AUTHORITY LAPU-LAPU CITY, CEBU PH
LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443


PHILIPPINE KENKO CORPORATION
PHILIPPINE ECONOMIC ZONE AUTHORITY LAPU-LAPU CITY, CEBU PH
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LEUPOLD AND STEVENS INC.
14400 NW GREENBRIER PARKWAY BEAVERTON OR 970065790 US 503-526-1443

[leadman]

I have used the Coleman Sundome tents for about 25 years and the were always waterproof for about 5 years, then I had to treat them until the fabric finally got worn then used a canopy or plastic tarp over them. Been in some very heavy rain storms with them. Last year the old Sundome did pretty good on the elk hunt with the canopy over it and that tent was at least 10 years old. The whole hunt was stormy and we had places the water was over a foot deep on the roads. Even been in fairly heavy snow storms in them and high winds, some strong enough to turn the poles backwards!
As far as NAPA parts now, they are the same as the rest. When I went to work for Cummins in 1969 NAPA parts were very good and close if not equal to OE. My son got the same **** cv axle for his Tundra at NAPA.
A few years ago I rebuilt the front end on the Dakota and bought ball joints from Dodge. The first set only lasted about 1 year. Dodge gave me replacements but it still was alot of work and money to replace them. Had to have a shop press them in and out of the cast iron lower control arms.

[waksupi]

I would never use Coleman tent anywhere besides the backyard of my house. I have a bunch of tents in varying sizes and weights. They are either North Face or Kelty. You get what you pay for when it comes to backpacking/camping items.

I honestly can't tell you if Kelty's and North Face's tents are still quality. Mine are all over a decade old. I did just purchase some North Face luggage and it's been worth the cost. Wasn't happy spending $300 on one bag. But it's holding up better than any suitcase I've ever had. I'm positive I will still be able to use the Kelty child carrier I bought when I have grandkids in two decades or so :laugh:

North Face has been good to me so far. My old sub-zero sleeping bag that I bought 40 years ago and used a lot, has been back for a zipper replacement about twenty years ago, and I just sent it in for the same reason a week ago. Lifetime warranties are a good thing!

[jcwit]

North Face has been good to me so far. My old sub-zero sleeping bag that I bought 40 years ago and used a lot, has been back for a zipper replacement about twenty years ago, and I just sent it in for the same reason a week ago. Lifetime warranties are a good thing!

And they are something you pay for up front. They are factured into the selling price of the product.

Nothing is totally free!

[mold maker]

Well Cr04^@p.
I replaced the driver side window motor ( Chinese junk) about 6 weeks ago, and guess what happened today. At a festival and had to leave the vehicle with the window down in a crowd of unknowns for over 3 hr.