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Johnch
08-09-2016, 10:11 PM
OK a lot of people think most semi auto cases head space on the case mouth
I had another shooter at the club running his mouth about how you needed to make cases the right OAL for them to work in a pistol

So after I got done loading 223 on the Dillon 550 the other day
I changed tool heads to the 9 mm one
But left the 223 shell plate in place
As it works fine for 380 auto also


I set the powder measure to the starting charge of AA #7 for 9 mm with a 124 gr cast bullet
I then started loading 380 auto cases with 124 gr cast bullets at the same OAL as you would load 9 mm cases , loaded 50 rounds and cleaned up

This morning I was at the range and the other Shooter that though he new everything was there
So I showed him the loaded rounds
He told me there was 0.0 % chance those rounds would work in a 9 mm pistol , so I made the $ 1 bet
So I pulled out my Browning Hi Power ( made in Hungery ) and loaded 13 rounds
Well in a min or so there were 13 more holes in my target at 50 yards ...not my best group , but it went Bang every time I pulled the trigger
He stood there and couldn't believe it worked
So I loaded another mag and let him shoot

I feel that the extractor held the case in place
Even though the OD of the rim was undersized and the case to short

So when one of those , So called Experts tells you that your idea is all BS , be safe
But do some tests ....it is fun to show the Expert , he is full of hot air :bigsmyl2:

John

Handloader109
08-09-2016, 10:45 PM
I had a 380 round I had picked up a while back, got tossed around and ended up in my ppq. 9mm, went bang, no issues.

osteodoc08
08-09-2016, 11:00 PM
Lots of folks shoot 40 in their 10mm Glocks.

While he was not wrong, it does space on the case mouths, you can certainly FUNCTION a semi auto by holding the case in the extractor.

mcdaniel.mac
08-10-2016, 03:17 AM
Fun fact, you can fire a .223 round from a 9mm pistol. The extractor holds it and it mostly fits the chamber near the base but tapers off top much to generate anywhere near 5.56 pressures. I can't imagine you get any velocity, and of course it doesn't cycle and the case is mangled, but it's a neat trick!

Blackwater
08-10-2016, 08:03 AM
Good goin' John! What you did was simply show the difference between real understanding, and just following a set of rigid and unthinking rules. There's a huge chasm between those two!

victorfox
08-10-2016, 08:11 AM
Fun fact, you can fire a .223 round from a 9mm pistol. The extractor holds it and it mostly fits the chamber near the base but tapers off top much to generate anywhere near 5.56 pressures. I can't imagine you get any velocity, and of course it doesn't cycle and the case is mangled, but it's a neat trick!

Yeah check Demolition Ranch at Youtube. He's master of trashing perfectly good guns and in fact he shot as you say, and appears the gun stood it.

jcwit
08-10-2016, 08:41 AM
And so doing it is possible to have the extractor break.

But then most anything and most everything is possible!

One bit of advice here John, Don't go out and spend all that hard earned money in one spot!!!!!

dtknowles
08-10-2016, 11:41 AM
I have seen 9mm that were fired in a 40

Kestrel4k
08-10-2016, 12:53 PM
.308 Win fired in an M1 Garand; the folks that have done it say full functionality with an entire en-bloc:
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mcdaniel.mac
08-11-2016, 01:08 AM
I have seen 9mm that were fired in a 40
I do get a kick out of the pictures of belled cases and rookies asking what they did wrong!

w5pv
08-11-2016, 09:37 AM
If you don't believe me ask and I will tell you how smart I am!!