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jcwit
05-27-2016, 05:18 PM
..........................

Sorry folks, a good thread just took a dump over semantics.

DCP
05-27-2016, 06:08 PM
Thank you

They went with songs to the battle, they were young,
Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

Blackwater
05-27-2016, 06:15 PM
Thanks, guys. The vets of WWII were always my heroes, and I knew Mickey Mantle was a celebrity, but those guys were genuine heroes. And ther've been so many, many of them, all with the same goal - preserving God, liberty and freedom. We owe them what cannot be repaid, so all we really CAN do is honor them. And with so many today haughtily not caring and daring to say so ..... well, it makes Memorial Day kind'a hard to take for those of us who know ... and still care. Thanks, guys. Great posts!

bedbugbilly
05-27-2016, 08:25 PM
Too many times, people get Memorial Day confused with Veterans Day. While I am not taking ANYTHING away from the veterans who have served, Memorial Day is to observe those men and women who sacrificed their lives in the service of this country to defend our way of life. Memorial Day was originally instituted as "Decoration Day" - a day set aside by order of General Joh Logan, then Commander of the Grand Army of the Republic, as a day to remember those who died to preserve the Union - a day to spread flowers on their graves and remember their sacrifices. Eventually Decoration Day evolved in to Memorial Day.

For some reason, many people and much of our "media" seems to want to treat Memorial Day as if it were Veteran's Day . . . it isn't. Yes there are parades in many communities as well as services and it should be a time to remember, pray for and teach our children what the day is all about . . . remembering those who gave their lives . . . that is the most important thing . . . not a day off of work or school or a day to party. But it almost seems at times, like everything else and the way things are going . . . . that soon even this holiday will not be "politically correct".

I hope everyone will take the time to contemplate on this on Monday and remember those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for all of us. Take a moment, say a prayer for them and a prayer of thanks for what they did.

And though it's a couple of days early . . . . Duane . . . you aren't forgotten buddy, even though it's been almost 48 years. (KIA July 3, 1968 - Viet Nam). Rest in peace my friend.

jcwit
05-27-2016, 09:35 PM
Eventually Decoration Day evolved in to Memorial Day.

And today IT IS evolving into a form of Veterans Day. Honoring all who served. Like it or not, it is what it is. And Yes things change.

Do you think for one minute a serviceman/woman buried at Arlington that did not die in Combat or from combat does not get a flag at his/her grave?

November the 10 is Veterans day. Today most if not all Veteran org's. membership are old men. The Legion I attend the average of menbership is over 60. These men marched in the cold & snow in WW2 and Korea, just how many do you think will march in a parade in November.

Furthermore when was the last time you even saw, attended, or marched in a parade in November.

Let us ALL Honor our Vets who have passed on, whether lost in combat or old age.

In todays world they all deserve Honor respect.

Ask the average teen what this day is all ab out, in fact ask 10, then post your answers.

jcwit
05-27-2016, 09:37 PM
I even Honor my Father & Mother on this coming memorial day. Neither served.

OBIII
05-27-2016, 10:11 PM
C"mon guys, we all know that it's to celebrate the opening of the swimming pools. Just in time this year.

OB

smokeywolf
05-27-2016, 11:20 PM
Dad served in WW II. Paratroop instructor at Ft. Benning. Never went overseas. Dad's mom and dad served in WW I. He was a doctor, she was a nurse; neither saw battle, both saw the results. They rest together at Fort Rosecrans.

skeettx
05-27-2016, 11:38 PM
From field notes of my Father-in-Law
Purple Heart, Medic, Paratrooper, Glider.

Military Service Notes from Gordia Levi Mitchell

Inducted into US Army 11 March 1942 Camp Boureagurd, La
Transferred to 82nd Divison (AA) March 15, 1942 Camp Livingston, La
Assigned to 307th Medical BN, Company B 16 March 1942 Camp Clayborne, La
Transferred to 101st A/B Division 16 August 1942 Camp Clayborne, La
Assigned to 326 A/B Medical Company 16 August 1942 Camp Clayborne, La
Granted 13 day furlough 27 Sept 1942 from Camp Clayborne. La
Reported Barksdale Field Hospital, Sick Leave, 9th October 1942
Reported for Duty 16th October 1942, Fort Bragg North Carolina
Granted Furlough ? March 1943 Fort Bragg N. C.
Reported for Duty 20th March 1943 Fort Bragg N. C.
Arrived for Manuevers 27th May 1943 Springfield Tenn
Arrived back in garrison 27th July 1943, Fort Bragg N. C.
Granted Furlough 5th August 1943 Fort Bragg N. C.
Reported for Duty 16th August 1943 Fort Bragg N. C.
Left Fort Bragg 28th August 1943 for Camp Shanks, N.Y.
Boarded British Ship, SAMARIA, September 4th , 1943, Pier 90, N.Y. City
Sailed 5 September, 1943 09:30 by Statue of Liberty
Docked Liverpool England, 15th September 1943
Arrived Newbury, England 16th September 1943
Moved to Hungerford, England 30 October 1943
Landed France “D-Day” 6 June 1944 Utah Beach
Wounded June 10 1944 Hiesville, France
Arrived 93rd General Hospital June 1944 Great Malvern England
Reported
Granted 7 Day leave to Cardiff S. Wales, July 7, 1944
Made airborne landing 17th Sept. 1944 Zon, Holland
Moved to Nymigen, Holland 28th Sept 1944
Continous contact with enemy until 28 November 1944
Motor trip to France and returned 28 November 1944
Moved to Reims France, 29 November 1944
Went into combat 17, December 1944, Bastogne, Belgium
Captured 19 December 1944 Bastogne Belguim
Arrived Prison Camp 1st January, 1945 Muhlburg, Germany
Liberated by Russian Army 23 April, 1945, Muhlburg, Germany
Contacted Americans 69th Divison 25 April, 1945 Torgau, Germany
Arrived Reims, France 15 May, 1945 , by plane
Arrived 21 May, 1945, Camp Lucky Strike, France
Arrived London, England 4th June, 1945
Spent 3 weeks leave in England and S. Wales
Arrived Glagow, Scotland 23 June, 1945
Sailed on Queen Elizabeth June 24, 1945
Arrived New York Pier 90 June 29, 1945
Arrived Camp Shelby 3rd July, 1945
Arrived Home 4th July 1945
67 Day furlough ending 9 Sept. 1945
Reported Miami Beach, Fla. Sept 10, 1945
Left Miami Beach, Fla. Sept. 19, 1945
Arrived Camp Shelby, Miss. Sept. 21, 1945
DISCHARGED SEPT. 24, 1945

Great reading below
https://www.med-dept.com/unit-histories/326th-airborne-medical-company/

aephilli822
05-28-2016, 12:28 AM
they = "Happy Memorial Day!"
me = "You DO realize that is like saying 'Happy Pearl Harbor Day', right?"

OS OK
05-28-2016, 12:49 AM
skeettx…he must have known that he would end up in England since they didn't ship him off to Africa as soon as he was qualified Medic.

DCP
05-28-2016, 08:22 AM
Memorial Day

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


This article is about a holiday in the United States. For other uses, see Memorial Day (disambiguation) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day_(disambiguation)).
"Decoration Day" redirects here. For other uses, see Decoration Day (disambiguation) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoration_Day_(disambiguation)).


Memorial Day


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Graves_at_Arlington_on_Memorial_Day.JPG/240px-Graves_at_Arlington_on_Memorial_Day.JPG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graves_at_Arlington_on_Memorial_Day.JPG)The gravestones at Arlington National Cemetery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlington_National_Cemetery) are decorated by U.S. flags on Memorial Day weekend.


Official name
Memorial Day


Observed by
United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)


Type
National


Observances
Remembrance of American war dead


Date
Last Monday in May


2015 date
May 25


2016 date
May 30


2017 date
May 29


2018 date
May 28


Frequency
annual (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Holidays_and_observances_by_frequency_(an nual))


Memorial Day is a federal holiday (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_holidays_in_the_United_States) in the United States for remembering the people who died while serving in the country's armed forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day#cite_note-vamd-1) The holiday, which is observed every year on the last Monday of May,[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day#cite_note-2) originated as Decoration Day after the American Civil War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War) in 1868, when the Grand Army of the Republic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Army_of_the_Republic), an organization of Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Army) veterans founded in Decatur, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decatur,_Illinois), established it as a time for the nation to decorate the graves of the war dead with flowers.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day#cite_note-3) By the 20th century, competing Union (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Army) and Confederate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Army)holiday traditions, celebrated on different days, had merged, and Memorial Day eventually extended to honor all Americans who died while in the military service.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day#cite_note-vamd-1) It typically marks the start of the summer vacation season, while Labor Day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Day) marks its end.
Many people visit cemeteries and memorials, particularly to honor those who have died in military service. Many volunteers place an American flag on each grave in national cemeteries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_national_cemetery).
Annual Decoration Days for particular cemeteries are held on a Sunday in late spring or early summer in some rural areas of the American South, notably in the mountain areas. In cases involving a family graveyard where remote ancestors as well as those who were deceased more recently are buried, this may take on the character of an extended family reunion to which some people travel hundreds of miles. People gather on the designated day and put flowers on graves and renew contacts with relatives and others. There often is a religious service and a picnic-like "dinner on the grounds," the traditional term for apotluck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potluck) meal at a church. It is believed that this practice began before the American Civil War and thus may reflect the real origin of the "memorial day" idea.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day#cite_note-JabbourJabbour2010-4)
Memorial Day is not to be confused with Veterans Day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterans_Day); Memorial Day is a day of remembering the men and women who died while serving, while Veterans Day celebrates the service of all U.S. military veterans.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_Day#cite_note-5)

jcwit
05-28-2016, 09:30 AM
OK, I'm sorry I even started this thread. Memorial Day HAS turned into what it is, all over the U.S.

Some of you can post all the old meanings of what Memorial Day started out as to what it is, fine with me, I guess.

I think it's pretty neat that we have many folks turn out for what it is and what it has morphed into.

Hey, you don't like it!!!!!!!!




Lets go back and turn it into the Bar-B-Q Day and totally forget any meaning it has regarding any kind of serviceman and or women.

Then the majority will be served!

We've pretty well forgotten about the military overall anyway in the U.S.




And remember, ALL graves at Arlington are decorated with a flag, regardless of how the person passed!




In the meantime, on Monday, I'll be driving the American Legion Float where all our LIVING veterans may ride in the parade and to the cemetery.

God Bless them all, those who passed and those left with us!

DCP
05-28-2016, 10:55 AM
Funny how some people get all bent out of shape
My Grandmother went to the graves all of our family every Memorial Day

Not all Graves at ARLINGTON get flags

Although there are over 270,000 persons interred in Arlington, roughly 215,000 flags will fly this weekend in remembrance of the heroic and valiant efforts of America's fallen heroes.



http://arlingtoncemetery.net/flags-in.htm



The story behind 'flags in' tradition
by Sgt. Jamelle A. Wyman, Old Guard Public AffairsAt first glance, it might appear a feat of great proportions. Individually placing a flag exactly one boot length and center on the headstone of every gravesite in Arlington National Cemetery.Hard as the job may appear, it's conducted with a great deal of pride and precision. Exclusively the 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard) since 1950 has held the rights to this tradition.The Old Guard has honored America's fallen heroes by placing miniature American flags before the gravestones and niches of service members buried at both Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Soldier's and Airmen's Home National Cemetery just prior to Memorial Day weekend.Although there are over 270,000 persons interred in Arlington, roughly 215,000 flags will fly this weekend in remembrance of the heroic and valiant efforts of America's fallen heroes.Another 7,500 will be placed at the cemetery's columbarium. The discrepancy in the numbers occurs because several gravesites have more than one person interred at that location."The rain showers from earlier this week are much appreciated," commented Sgt. Aubrey Wright of Delta Company,

"The ground is moist and it makes pushing the flags in a lot easier."Soldiers often use their Old Guard coins and place it in the palm of their hands to prevent calluses. Wright, one of the 1,246 soldiers in The Old Guard, along with his fellow soldiers generally makes record time of completing their section."Once we finish here in sections 10 and 12, we help out others," said Wright."From start to finish, the task of completing Flags In generally takes four hours," commented Staff Sgt. Luis Aguilar, a memorial affairs NCO for the Old Guard."We get a little help from the chaplains in the MDW area, each year they place flags in at Chaplains Hill, located in section two of the cemetery," said Aguilar.The only exemptions for soldiers not participating in this year's Flags In are those on temporary duty, enrolled in a military school or on a profile.Even the regimental commander himself, Col. Thomas M. Jordan partook of the tradition as he placed flags in section 7A. "It's really a great honor to be allowed to do this," commented Aguilar.Outside the walls of Arlington National Cemetery, soldiers assigned to Company A, Commander-in-Chief's Guard place another 13,500 flags in at the Soldier's and Airmen's Home National Cemetery as well as covering several sections in Arlington National Cemetery.Spc. Benjamin Yellott, of Company A takes a lot of pride as he goes into his second year placing flags in.They [the veterans] deserve the respect," proclaimed Yellott.The word, respect and the force with which it carries sums up the annual event for the majority of Old Guard soldiers.Respect for the unknowns interred at the Tomb were also given in a quiet ceremony as three flags were presented to the Unknown Soldier from World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam.There wasn't much laughter in the air as the unit marched into the cemetery, rucksacks filled to capacity with American flags.Soldiers paused to reflect on the names engraved on the markers, the lives led and the unsung stories of the many service members who came before them.Old Guard soldiers remain on watch throughout the Memorial Day weekend to ensure all flags remain intact and erect. All flags are removed after Memorial Day before each cemetery opens to the public.

jcwit
05-28-2016, 11:07 AM
What I'm getting at, is lets live the day for what it is today, not what it was in the past. At least a few are still Honoring both the living and the dead military persons.

Lets get into a discussion as to whether Christ was born on December the 25th or was it January the 3rd. Makes as much sense.

DCP
05-28-2016, 11:24 AM
I for one will Honor the WAR DEAD! on MEMORIAL DAY
They made the Ultimate Sacrifice for us

The VETERANS on the on VETERANS DAY
All gave some some gave all

jcwit
05-28-2016, 11:32 AM
I for one will Honor the WAR DEAD! on MEMORIAL DAY
They made the Ultimate Sacrifice for us

The VETERANS on the on VETERANS DAY
All gave some some gave all

Fine, Then stay seated while the Veterans pass by, if in fact you even bother to go to your local parade!

jcwit
05-28-2016, 11:37 AM
Guess our Legion Commander fault is he didn't get shot in the head instead of losing a lung and coming home from VietNam.

And my fault is that I got assigned to a desk instead of combat!

The day has morphed into what it is, that is a fact, you wish to live in the past? go for it.

jcwit
05-28-2016, 11:41 AM
Again, I'm sorry I even started this thread, I took care of my mistake!

DCP
05-28-2016, 11:44 AM
Wow! Your bitter about something please go get some counseling brother

I will put you in my prayers

Vaya con DIOS

sparky45
05-28-2016, 11:54 AM
I was Honored this morning by being asked to help the local VFW with the Flag Raising Ceremony. Does the mind and Soul good to be engulfed in the aura of those who gave it all and to those who remember the fallen as well as those who served. I was in the Navy Hospital Corp 1965-1969; I was stationed in a direct support facility on the Island of Guam "where America's day begins". I never saw combat, just the stark results of said activity, most of the time within 16 hours of their injuries. God Bless them ALL!
I wish to thank all those who served, past and future, for the protections we all share today.

jcwit
05-28-2016, 12:02 PM
Wow! Your bitter about something please go get some counseling brother

I will put you in my prayers

Vaya con DIOS

Nope not in need of any counseling, just see no reason to discuss this with anyone who has a closed mind and cannot see the changes happening even if they aren't bad.

jcwit
05-28-2016, 12:07 PM
I was Honored this morning by being asked to help the local VFW with the Flag Raising Ceremony. Does the mind and Soul good to be engulfed in the aura of those who gave it all and to those who remember the fallen as well as those who served. I was in the Navy Hospital Corp 1965-1969; I was stationed in a direct support facility on the Island of Guam "where America's day begins". I never saw combat, just the stark results of said activity, most of the time within 16 hours of their injuries. God Bless them ALL!
I wish to thank all those who served, past and future, for the protections we all share today.

Thanks for your service and your support for all who served.

DCP
05-28-2016, 02:23 PM
You forgot to delete these like you did the 1st post

“Do you think for one minute a serviceman/woman buried at Arlington that did not die in Combat or from combat does not get a flag at his/her grave?”

“And remember, ALL graves at Arlington are decorated with a flag, regardless of how the person passed!”

I showed you the truth and you ignored it. Here it is again

“Not all Graves at ARLINGTON get flags”

“Although there are over 270,000 persons interred in Arlington, roughly 215,000 flags will fly this weekend in remembrance of the heroic and valiant efforts of America's fallen heroes.”

So you think its your right to be equal to those that gave all. One day a year is not enough for you need to steal from our fallen.

This is a form of STOLEN VALOR.

Shame on you and any VETs that feels the way you do.

When you march in you parade, Its not about you its about the ones who fell during BATTLE and gave all

You need help BROTHER
Vaya con DIOS

sparky45
05-28-2016, 02:34 PM
You forgot to delete these like you did the 1st post

“Do you think for one minute a serviceman/woman buried at Arlington that did not die in Combat or from combat does not get a flag at his/her grave?”

“And remember, ALL graves at Arlington are decorated with a flag, regardless of how the person passed!”

I showed you the truth and you ignored it. Here it is again

“Not all Graves at ARLINGTON get flags”

“Although there are over 270,000 persons interred in Arlington, roughly 215,000 flags will fly this weekend in remembrance of the heroic and valiant efforts of America's fallen heroes.”

So you think its your right to be equal to those that gave all. One day a year is not enough for you need to steal from our fallen.

This is a form of STOLEN VALOR.

Shame on you and any VETs that feels the way you do.

When you march in you parade, Its not about you its about the ones who fell during BATTLE and gave all

You need help BROTHER
Vaya con DIOS

This isn't the way to celebrate this weekend. If you're going to sig with Vaya con Dios, stay Vaya con Dios amigo.

opos
05-28-2016, 03:37 PM
Talk to a gold star Mother about the meaning of Memorial day...we keep changing history to suit the needs of some folks...like getting a participation medal for running a race rather than having blue ribbons for winners. Sorry but hate to see a day of specific honor for the supreme sacrifice being watered.

Obama at some Memorial Day speech when he was new in office talked of "seeing some of the folks we are honoring today in the audience"..the moron had no idea what Memorial Day was about...

DCP
05-28-2016, 03:54 PM
Talk to a gold star Mother about the meaning of Memorial day...we keep changing history to suit the needs of some folks...like getting a participation medal for running a race rather than having blue ribbons for winners. Sorry but hate to see a day of specific honor for the supreme sacrifice being watered.

Obama at some Memorial Day speech when he was new in office talked of "seeing some of the folks we are honoring today in the audience"..the moron had no idea what Memorial Day was about...

AMEN:goodpost:

DCP
05-28-2016, 03:56 PM
This isn't the way to celebrate this weekend. If you're going to sig with Vaya con Dios, stay Vaya con Dios amigo.

You dont even know what Vaya con DIOS means

IT means GO with GOD

So what does Stay GO with GOD mean?

jcwit
05-28-2016, 04:00 PM
You forgot to delete these like you did the 1st post

“Do you think for one minute a serviceman/woman buried at Arlington that did not die in Combat or from combat does not get a flag at his/her grave?”

“And remember, ALL graves at Arlington are decorated with a flag, regardless of how the person passed!”

I showed you the truth and you ignored it. Here it is again

“Not all Graves at ARLINGTON get flags”

“Although there are over 270,000 persons interred in Arlington, roughly 215,000 flags will fly this weekend in remembrance of the heroic and valiant efforts of America's fallen heroes.”

So you think its your right to be equal to those that gave all. One day a year is not enough for you need to steal from our fallen.

This is a form of STOLEN VALOR.

Shame on you and any VETs that feels the way you do.

When you march in you parade, Its not about you its about the ones who fell during BATTLE and gave all

You need help BROTHER
Vaya con DIOS

# 1. Your wrong, I did not forget to delete anything.

# 2. I'm not your brother, sorry you got that all wrong.

# 3. No, I do not need help, you have no idea what I do or how much I give every year.

# 4. I do not march in the parade, wrong again, and in todays world with the majority of folks it IS about all Vets.
As I've mentioned before, when was the last time you saw a parade in mid November for Veterans Day?

# 5. Nowhere did I say or imply I am in the same league as one who died in combat, or one who fought in combat.
The populace did that, you don't like it? Your problem, not mine, it is what it is. And no I do not subscribe to any STOLEN VALOR.
And when I'm in the parade I feel no shame.


Question.

What do you do for Memorial Day!

I think you may very well look in the mirror as to who REALLY needs help. Not only for your attitude but for jumping all over me and my believe, which happens to be the majority, but to the point of me destroying the thread because of you!

So Long

I do not speak spanish, I believe English is the National language.

Then say Go with God!

DCP
05-28-2016, 04:10 PM
https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13233079_10204967896832157_597338415781281403_n.jp g?oh=13eef5c92e9527e498ced33c7c91c35f&oe=57C5EA8C

jcwit
05-28-2016, 04:15 PM
I think I'm done here, you've accomplished destroying this thread enough, all over semantics.

Oh and BTW I already knew that there graves that do not get flags, but with that said The General who was our commander at our Headquarters does get a flag every year. His name is General Harold Cooper Donnelly, he never saw combat. He was a West Point graduate.

jcwit
05-28-2016, 04:16 PM
https://scontent.ford1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13233079_10204967896832157_597338415781281403_n.jp g?oh=13eef5c92e9527e498ced33c7c91c35f&oe=57C5EA8C


Tell the masses that, it has morphed into what it is, like it or not!

DCP
05-28-2016, 04:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2SoBl0C-70

Adios, and VAYA con DIOS

jcwit
05-28-2016, 04:27 PM
Whatever you say, this Zac never even served.

I don't listen to country.

I'm outa here, you can have it ALL to yourself.

Have fun!

knewmans
05-28-2016, 04:31 PM
As a Brit I didn't know of your Memorial Day, we have our own remembrance days. It made me wonder if Memorial Day was celebrated at Brookwood cemetery not far from me which has the only WW1 US cemetery in the UK. Yes it is.

http://tinyurl.com/zjbqyg8

http://tinyurl.com/z35pq9d

http://tinyurl.com/gsuo5vt

DCP
05-28-2016, 05:31 PM
# 1. Your wrong, I did not forget to delete anything.

# 2. I'm not your brother, sorry you got that all wrong.

# 3. No, I do not need help, you have no idea what I do or how much I give every year.

# 4. I do not march in the parade, wrong again, and in todays world with the majority of folks it IS about all Vets.
As I've mentioned before, when was the last time you saw a parade in mid November for Veterans Day?

# 5. Nowhere did I say or imply I am in the same league as one who died in combat, or one who fought in combat.
The populace did that, you don't like it? Your problem, not mine, it is what it is. And no I do not subscribe to any STOLEN VALOR.
And when I'm in the parade I feel no shame.


Question.

What do you do for Memorial Day!

I think you may very well look in the mirror as to who REALLY needs help. Not only for your attitude but for jumping all over me and my believe, which happens to be the majority, but to the point of me destroying the thread because of you!

So Long

I do not speak spanish, I believe English is the National language.

Then say Go with God!

What will I do Memorial Day

I will be going to a small cemetery out in the County

While I am there I will place a America Flag and a USMC Flag on my Fathers grave.
I will then catch my Father up on how things have been going.

I will then play TAPS on my Bugle before I leave.

sparky45
05-28-2016, 06:12 PM
You dont even know what Vaya con DIOS means

IT means GO with GOD

So what does Stay GO with GOD mean?
Since it's so obvious, I figured you could figure it out all by yourself. Hint: If YOU truly believe in "vaya con dios" I doubt you would be acting as you are.

marlin39a
05-28-2016, 06:22 PM
My parents both served in WW2. In fact they met in England when dad was sent there after being wounded in Germany. Mom was a radio operator receiving coded transmissions. Both have passed on. I served and love this Country. It means a lot to me.

Echo
05-28-2016, 09:00 PM
I'm retired USAF. During my stay in SEA, the main thing I had to worry about was getting drunk, and falling into a Klong, and I never did those two things together. I was on the second airplane to land at U-Tapao RTAFB in 1966 - when I left, in 1967, there were 70 B-52's there. I, like many of you on this forum, lost family and friends in that conflict. My cousin Gene was KIA on his 5th tour (SEAL). And I lost classmates, there, and Cold War.
We all lost brothers, both there, Cold War, in Korea, and WWII. They will not grow old and ugly, like me. But we will have their memory - and their honor, in mind, this Monday. The Hell with BBQ...

jcwit
05-28-2016, 09:23 PM
I hear ya Echo, but I will have breakfast at the Legion, it's for all Legionnaires, Then after the parade, speeches, going to the cemetery and reading the names of Veterans buried there, we put on a dinner for anyone in town that wishes to attend.

No Bar-B-Q.

Boaz
05-28-2016, 09:24 PM
It should be what it was meant to be , they deserve to be honored .

jcwit
05-28-2016, 09:53 PM
I'll agree, but most actually remember all Vets, and those who do not which sadly if the larger section of the population, it's a Bar-B-Q Day which is even worse.

I see little wrong with Honoring all Vets, and we all can do that again in November also, even those who died in combat!
At the very least that is better than the Bar-B-Q Day.

It is what it is, none of us can likely change what it has morphed into.

jcwit
05-28-2016, 09:56 PM
We have a member of our Legion who was a Commander of a Swift Boat in the Delta, 2 tours, only one to come back alive, I Honor him also.

Plate plinker
05-28-2016, 11:05 PM
Wow this is whacked out. BBQ humph.

When I was kid 30+ years ago we would go to the parade and watch the old timer vets go by and thinking back it was amazing because there were men from WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam. After the parade was over they played taps in the big cemetery and a teenage girl reads the poem about flanders field and such. People get teary eyed and we would go home to granddads house he was a combat vet who made it back and had a huge cookout with about 50-75 family members. It is not just about cookouts but it sure was a time to reflect and I think men like grandpa enjoyed themselves and they knew they were lucky to be able to do these things. They knew they may have been the ones who gave it all.

jcwit
05-28-2016, 11:27 PM
Excellent post there Plate plinker, come down town Monday and renew some memories.

perotter
05-29-2016, 07:57 AM
As a Brit I didn't know of your Memorial Day, we have our own remembrance days. It made me wonder if Memorial Day was celebrated at Brookwood cemetery not far from me which has the only WW1 US cemetery in the UK. Yes it is.

http://tinyurl.com/zjbqyg8

http://tinyurl.com/z35pq9d

http://tinyurl.com/gsuo5vt

Thanks for the links. They provide a search feature that I'm using to see if I can find 3 of my great-uncles who died in WW1.

rl69
05-29-2016, 08:25 AM
We walked among the crosses
Where our fallen soldiers lay.
And listened to the bugle
As TAPS began to play.
The Chaplin led a prayer
We stood with heads bowed low.
And I thought of fallen comrades
I had known so long ago.
They came from every city
Across this fertile land.
That we might live in freedom.
They lie here 'neath the sand.
I felt a little guilty
My sacrifice was small.
I only lost a little time
But these men lost their all.
Now the services are over
For this Memorial Day.
To the names upon these crosses
I just want to say,
Thanks for what you've given
No one could ask for more.
May you rest with God in heaven
From now through evermore.
- C W Johnson

shdwlkr
05-29-2016, 08:53 AM
This weekend I remember family members over the years that have died for America all the way from before America was America down to the Vietnam War. If not for them where would we be today?? I also remember classmates who never came home from the Vietnam War also, so many young and smart young lives lost in War

RP
05-29-2016, 09:04 AM
I have family that has served in WW 2 to present combat in the Marines Army AF even the National Guard. That just going from Grandparents to my son not sure about farther back. I think the BBQ or cook outs kind of go hand in hand with honoring or falling since after the parades and what ever families do in showing respect was followed by a family meal. It is just more and more of the entitled people we have now days have forget the men and women that have died so we have the freedom we enjoy and a lot abuse just want a three day weekend to get drunk and eat. Really kind of a shame we have gotten to this point with the lack of respect in this country.

mozeppa
05-29-2016, 09:43 AM
THIS THREAD IS LOCKED!

too much bickering!

there...now it's Locked.

DCP
05-29-2016, 10:35 AM
THIS THREAD IS LOCKED!

too much bickering!

there...now it's Locked.

What the heck LOL

DCP
05-29-2016, 10:38 AM
I have family that has served in WW 2 to present combat in the Marines Army AF even the National Guard. That just going from Grandparents to my son not sure about farther back. I think the BBQ or cook outs kind of go hand in hand with honoring or falling since after the parades and what ever families do in showing respect was followed by a family meal. It is just more and more of the entitled people we have now days have forget the men and women that have died so we have the freedom we enjoy and a lot abuse just want a three day weekend to get drunk and eat. Really kind of a shame we have gotten to this point with the lack of respect in this country.

Amen :goodpost:

DCP
05-29-2016, 10:39 AM
We walked among the crosses
Where our fallen soldiers lay.
And listened to the bugle
As TAPS began to play.
The Chaplin led a prayer
We stood with heads bowed low.
And I thought of fallen comrades
I had known so long ago.
They came from every city
Across this fertile land.
That we might live in freedom.
They lie here 'neath the sand.
I felt a little guilty
My sacrifice was small.
I only lost a little time
But these men lost their all.
Now the services are over
For this Memorial Day.
To the names upon these crosses
I just want to say,
Thanks for what you've given
No one could ask for more.
May you rest with God in heaven
From now through evermore.
- C W Johnson

Thank you so much

montana_charlie
05-29-2016, 01:08 PM
Not B-B-Q, and it's not about chicken, either.
But ...

http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Screen-Shot-2016-05-28-at-1.54.49-PM-550x361.png

http://www.weaselzippers.us/273966-chic-fil-a-has-missing-man-table-set-to-honor-those-who-died-serving-the-united-states/

jcwit
05-29-2016, 02:09 PM
We have a table very similar to that at the entrance to our Legion.

rl69
05-29-2016, 02:14 PM
Good for them I wish I had a chick fil-A

jcwit
05-29-2016, 03:26 PM
Good for them I wish I had a chick fil-A

What's that remark supposed to mean?

rl69
05-29-2016, 03:29 PM
I wish there was a chick- fil- A near me

NavyVet1959
05-29-2016, 03:46 PM
As a Texan, EVERY day is BBQ day.

But Memorial Day is for honoring those who paid the ultimate price when they served, not for those of us veterans who are still alive.

Echo
05-29-2016, 05:18 PM
My Grandfather served in WWI - but he was undoubtedly the shortest-serving of all the doughboys. He, with some college credits, thought he should get a commission, but had a hard time convincing the Army. Finally, through the actions of his wife's family in Illinois (he was in Matador, TX), he was granted a Second Lieutenant's commission in the IL Reserve, and told to report to the train station on a certain day. He did, they had a ticket for him, and he got aboard. The train was flagged down at Floydada, a little ways West of Matador, and Grampa was pulled off. The Armistice had been declared, and he wasn't needed anymore. Served for about an hour. But never claimed any veteran's benefits...

Houndog
05-29-2016, 07:00 PM
Yesterday our motorcycle club placed 90 flags at memorials dedicated to fallen veterans in 4 different towns and at the rest area veterans memorial on top of Clinch Mountain. Our club president gave a talk at each one honoring those heros to all people who cared to attend. (quite a few people). We as a nation must NEVER forget the sacrifices these heros made! I personally intend to help carry on this tradition as long as I'm able to do so. WE MUST NEVER FORGET!!!!

NavyVet1959
05-29-2016, 08:38 PM
..........................

Sorry folks, a good thread just took a dump over semantics.

BTW, it would be "Lest (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lest) we forget ..."

What good are nits if you can't pick 'em? :)

jcwit
05-29-2016, 09:45 PM
Watching the NASCAR Race, anybody else?

If so, notice who is being Honored during the Commercials.

rl69
05-29-2016, 10:23 PM
Let it go

if you want to honer vetrens that's fine

but tomorrow was a day we set aside to honer those who gave all

jcwit
05-29-2016, 10:51 PM
I guess our American Legion has no idea what they're doing, or most all other Legions.

Just see who IS being Honored!

Notice what is being said on TV. Take note of the programing.

Take a look at the flags in your local cemetery. They are even on the graves of ALL Veterans.

Fact of the matter!



Let it go???????????

Neh!!!!!!!!!!!!

I seldom waver from what I believe.

NavyVet1959
05-29-2016, 11:13 PM
Take a look at the flags in your local cemetery. They are even on the graves of ALL Veterans.

I suspect that has more to do with the difficulty that those putting the flags on the graves would have in determining exactly which of the graves were from soldiers that died while in the service.


Let it go???????????

Neh!!!!!!!!!!!!

I seldom waver from what I believe.

If you are not going to let it go, then at least put your original comment back in post #1 so that those of us who got to this thread late can know what started this. :)

jcwit
05-29-2016, 11:46 PM
I suspect that has more to do with the difficulty that those putting the flags on the graves would have in determining exactly which of the graves were from soldiers that died while in the service.



If you are not going to let it go, then at least put your original comment back in post #1 so that those of us who got to this thread late can know what started this. :)

I don't know about your area, I'VE helped to put the flags at 18 cemeteries here and yes we know what every grave has, when served, what unit, and whether combat killed or not, going back as far as Civil War.

NavyVet1959
05-30-2016, 01:41 AM
I don't know about your area, I'VE helped to put the flags at 18 cemeteries here and yes we know what every grave has, when served, what unit, and whether combat killed or not, going back as far as Civil War.

Well, sounds like ya'll have pretty good records then. I'm not so sure that every group that puts flags on the graves has that good of records. I've always considered Memorial Day for those who died while serving, primarily those who died as a result of combat. I've always felt awkward when someone "thanks me for my service" on Memorial Day since being alive, I've done nothing to deserve it. We *should* be honoring those who paid the ultimate sacrifice, not those of us who just served.

Some will say that only someone who dies in combat should be honored and not those who die as a result of training (or even off-duty activities). I'm not so certain where you would draw the line though. Should a sailor who gets drunk while on liberty and wraps his car around a telephone pole in Norfolk be honored alongside the sailor who was shot while serving in Iraq? What of the sailor who possibly doesn't follow safety protocols and ends up getting himself electrocuted while working on a a piece of equipment? Where do we draw the line? Frankly, I don't know...

jcwit
05-30-2016, 06:14 AM
Take note at Arlington in DC, most everyone buried there gets a flag, regardless of how they died.

DCP
05-30-2016, 07:45 AM
Funny how some people get all bent out of shape
My Grandmother went to the graves all of our family every Memorial Day

FOR YOU BOB AND ALL THE BOBS

Not all Graves at ARLINGTON get flags

Although there are over 270,000 persons interred in Arlington, roughly 215,000 flags will fly this weekend in remembrance of the heroic and valiant efforts of America's fallen heroes.



http://arlingtoncemetery.net/flags-in.htm



The story behind 'flags in' tradition
by Sgt. Jamelle A. Wyman, Old Guard Public AffairsAt first glance, it might appear a feat of great proportions. Individually placing a flag exactly one boot length and center on the headstone of every gravesite in Arlington National Cemetery.Hard as the job may appear, it's conducted with a great deal of pride and precision. Exclusively the 3d U.S. Infantry (The Old Guard) since 1950 has held the rights to this tradition.The Old Guard has honored America's fallen heroes by placing miniature American flags before the gravestones and niches of service members buried at both Arlington National Cemetery and the U.S. Soldier's and Airmen's Home National Cemetery just prior to Memorial Day weekend.Although there are over 270,000 persons interred in Arlington, roughly 215,000 flags will fly this weekend in remembrance of the heroic and valiant efforts of America's fallen heroes.Another 7,500 will be placed at the cemetery's columbarium. The discrepancy in the numbers occurs because several gravesites have more than one person interred at that location."The rain showers from earlier this week are much appreciated," commented Sgt. Aubrey Wright of Delta Company,

"The ground is moist and it makes pushing the flags in a lot easier."Soldiers often use their Old Guard coins and place it in the palm of their hands to prevent calluses. Wright, one of the 1,246 soldiers in The Old Guard, along with his fellow soldiers generally makes record time of completing their section."Once we finish here in sections 10 and 12, we help out others," said Wright."From start to finish, the task of completing Flags In generally takes four hours," commented Staff Sgt. Luis Aguilar, a memorial affairs NCO for the Old Guard."We get a little help from the chaplains in the MDW area, each year they place flags in at Chaplains Hill, located in section two of the cemetery," said Aguilar.The only exemptions for soldiers not participating in this year's Flags In are those on temporary duty, enrolled in a military school or on a profile.Even the regimental commander himself, Col. Thomas M. Jordan partook of the tradition as he placed flags in section 7A. "It's really a great honor to be allowed to do this," commented Aguilar.Outside the walls of Arlington National Cemetery, soldiers assigned to Company A, Commander-in-Chief's Guard place another 13,500 flags in at the Soldier's and Airmen's Home National Cemetery as well as covering several sections in Arlington National Cemetery.Spc. Benjamin Yellott, of Company A takes a lot of pride as he goes into his second year placing flags in.They [the veterans] deserve the respect," proclaimed Yellott.The word, respect and the force with which it carries sums up the annual event for the majority of Old Guard soldiers.Respect for the unknowns interred at the Tomb were also given in a quiet ceremony as three flags were presented to the Unknown Soldier from World War I, World War II, Korea and Vietnam.There wasn't much laughter in the air as the unit marched into the cemetery, rucksacks filled to capacity with American flags.Soldiers paused to reflect on the names engraved on the markers, the lives led and the unsung stories of the many service members who came before them.Old Guard soldiers remain on watch throughout the Memorial Day weekend to ensure all flags remain intact and erect. All flags are removed after Memorial Day before each cemetery opens to the public.

DCP
05-30-2016, 07:50 AM
Robert Bruce Curran
Specialist Four

PERSONAL DATA
Home of Record: Aurora, Illinois
Date of birth: Wednesday, 08/16/1950

MILITARY DATA
Service: Army (Selective Service)
Grade at loss: E4
Rank: Specialist Four
ID No: 333444634
MOS: 11D20 Armor Reconnaissance Specialist
LenSvc: Not recorded
Unit: F TROOP, 17TH CAV RGT, 196 INF BDE

CASUALTY DATA
Start Tour: Saturday, 09/12/1970
Cas Date: Thursday, 08/05/1971
Age at Loss: 20
Remains: Body Recovered
Location: Quang Nam, South Vietnam
Type: Hostile, Died
Reason: Gun, Small Arms Fire - Ground Casualty

ON THE WALL Panel 03W Line 123

You will never be forgotten
Miss you Bob



They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.

jcwit
05-30-2016, 08:23 AM
Being as we're reposting posts. I also know for a fact My Commanding Officer who died as a 3 star General gets a flag every year, he never saw combat and YES he is buried at Arlington.

From your post DCP

. The discrepancy in the numbers occurs because several gravesites have more than one person interred at that location.

jcwit
05-30-2016, 08:41 AM
Just to let ya'll know another soldier buried at Arlington is Joe E Lewis, never assigned to combat duty.

Bet he gets a Flag.

JSnover
05-30-2016, 10:38 AM
Maybe this thread should have been started on some other part of The Mighty InterWeb, I think most CB members understand what this holiday is about.
By the late 70s my family was observing Memorial Day with veterans of WW2, the Korean War and VietNam. Probably half of the men had served in one branch or another. Some had seen combat, some hadn't. None of them complained about the food or the beverages.

montana_charlie
05-30-2016, 01:58 PM
Maybe this thread should have been started on some other part of The Mighty InterWeb, I think most CB members understand what this holiday is about.
As it happens, it was started by the one guy who has a different idea.

jcwit
05-30-2016, 03:00 PM
As it happens, it was started by the one guy who has a different idea.


No, I do not have a different idea.


I just see what it has morphed into.

I drove the float today, from another post of mine in another similar thread.


Just got back from the Memorial Festivities that started at 10 AM this morning.

I drove the float behind the Color Guard as usual, There was cheering and hand clapping, picture taking as the float full of Vets went by.

After the speeches which, BTW the Dead & the living Vets were mentioned, we proceeded to the Cemetery.

All the names of Vets buried there were read off no matter their cause of death, flags had been placed at every Veteran Grave, irregardless of cause or date of death.

Folks, we can argue this till He!! freezes over, but the fact of the matter is, it HAS morphed into what it is. You may not like it, You may not like my opinion, I may not like your opinion, but it is what it is.

And that is it!


Not my idea at all, just seeing what it really is today, like it or not, it is what it is.


I guess reality must be a terrible thing!

montana_charlie
05-30-2016, 03:28 PM
No, I do not have a different idea.
I just see what it has morphed into.
I guess reality must be a terrible thing!
It has morphed in your reality, but not in the reality of the rest of us.
We still hold to the old way, and that reality appears to be a terrible shock to yours.

You may reply if you wish, but I have no more to say on the subject.

rl69
05-30-2016, 04:15 PM
When I was a kid my mom and dad would buy sister a gift on my birthday so she wouldn't fill left out. My birthday never morphed into our birthday. It still was what it will always be my birthday. if anyone wants to get my sister a gift that's fine they can celebrate however they wish. But it's still my birthday

jcwit
05-30-2016, 05:54 PM
It has morphed in your reality, but not in the reality of the rest of us.
We still hold to the old way, and that reality appears to be a terrible shock to yours.

You may reply if you wish, but I have no more to say on the subject.

Not a shock at all.

I have many Amish living within 2 miles that refuse to accept we now live in the 21st century.

Look about you and see what is going on around you, see what is being Honored on Fox News, or for that matter mose other News channels, I guess, I don't watch the others but my guess is it's the same.

Just now clicked on FOX, they are Honoring a LIVING Medal of Honor receipent.

JSnover
05-31-2016, 11:23 AM
Sanders decided it was as good a day as any to take a nap.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/05/30/bernie-sanders-caught-napping-memorial-day-ceremony/