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Outpost75
04-03-2016, 07:23 PM
Necessary clarification for the "low information" casters:
This is not intended as criticism, but only as a gentle correction for the unknowing who might pick up the wrong word from having read it in news stand magazines, having been edited by persons who only got a "C" in English.


obˇduˇrate ˈäbd(y)ərət/ adjective
stubbornly refusing to change one's opinion or course of action.

synonyms: stubborn, obstinate, intransigent, inflexible, unyielding, unbending, pigheaded, bullheaded, mulish, stiff-necked; headstrong, unshakable, intractable, unpersuadable, immovable, inexorable, uncompromising, iron-willed, adamant, firm, determined

"the brass were also obdurate in their opposition to having women in any combat positions"

obturate [ob-tuh-reyt, -tyuh-] verb (used with object), obturated, obturating.

1. Dental. to stop up; close. To mitigate bleeding from the jaw canal after a tooth extraction.

2. Ordnance. to close (a hole or cavity) so as to prevent a flow of gas through it, especially the escape of explosive gas from a gun tube during firing. When used as an object, "obturator," a gas sealing device placed between the booster or igniter pack and the main propelling charge in separate-loaded artillery.

Nobade
04-03-2016, 08:34 PM
Thank you! It always bugs me when those words are used incorrectly. Now I don't have to write it up.

-Nobade

Outpost75
04-03-2016, 09:20 PM
Thank you! It always bugs me when those words are used incorrectly. Now I don't have to write it up.
-Nobade

My pleasure, Sir. And I am quite certain that my tutor, the late Dr. Robert L. McCoy, Major, U.S. Army, Ordnance Corps, is smiling from Valhalla, having corrected me of the same error and having broken a swagger stick across my desk in doing so!

Hamish
04-03-2016, 10:25 PM
Well said.

725
04-04-2016, 09:36 AM
From the 19th century philosopher, Herbert Spencer: "How often misused words generate misleading thoughts."

alamogunr
04-04-2016, 09:48 AM
Thus starts a journey for which there is no end. (At least on most internet forums)

merlin101
04-04-2016, 02:03 PM
That's nice to know, but I've never had a chance to use either. BTW what's so bad about a C in English?

Omega
04-04-2016, 02:26 PM
No need for flowery words, if I mean stubborn I'll say so. There are many an Executive Officer (XO) that used their vast knowledge of obscure words to try and make us think we were uneducated compared to them, only to have their message go unheeded by the masses due to the language. Don't get me wrong, there is a time and place for this kind of language, but in the military we are taught to speak at a level according to your audience, which unfortunately has been down to 4th grade level sometimes. I do lookup any words I come across that I can't get their meaning by the context of their use, but will not use them unless I have no other choice. I guess I am an obturator, err obdurator...hell pigheaded.

Outpost75
04-04-2016, 02:43 PM
That's nice to know, but I've never had a chance to use either. BTW what's so bad about a C in English?

Nothing for the average working stiff, but for "goon wrighters" and their learned "editors," who produce the rags whose intent is to sell advertising, who are actually expected to make a living through their skillful use of the language, it is a tribute to the dumbing down of public school education that their overall impression is that "Yestiddy I cuddn't evin spel editer and todaay I are wun!" which I find less than satisfactory.

9.3X62AL
04-04-2016, 05:17 PM
Nothing for the average working stiff, but for "goon wrighters" and their learned "editors," who produce the rags whose intent is to sell advertising, who are actually expected to make a living through their skillful use of the language, it is a tribute to the dumbing down of public school education that their overall impression is that "Yestiddy I cuddn't evin spel editer and todaay I are wun!" which I find less than satisfactory.

Roger that. If Common Core has the same effect on English composition that it has upon mathematic skills, not only will the coming generation be unable to balance a checkbook but also incapable of composing a cogent written thought.

Chill Wills
04-04-2016, 06:07 PM
Nicely done. Gentle is always good.
I had to just get over the misuse of obturate as well as Creedmoor and smelt, smelting or smelter.

Spell check here does not know obturate. Least from where I sit.And gentle is good for me because, I am the last person who should ever get too bossy lest I soon fall on my face. Never fails:bigsmyl2:

Char-Gar
04-04-2016, 06:07 PM
Everybody is entitled to a few pet peeve word issues. My biggie, is the many folks who think the mounted troops are the Calvary. They don't seem to know the difference between Cavalry and Calvary. Being a religious type this can really get my goat.

9.3X62AL
04-04-2016, 06:09 PM
Yes, sir. I always reserve the right to be wrong--here and elsewhere.

alamogunr
04-04-2016, 07:46 PM
Nicely done. Gentle is always good.
I had to just get over the misuse of obturate as well as Creedmoor and smelt, smelting or smelter.

Spell check here does not know obturate. Least from where I sit.And gentle is good for me because, I am the last person who should ever get too bossy lest I soon fall on my face. Never fails:bigsmyl2:


I have always assumed that spell check was a function of the computer being used. Anyway, whenever I get the red underline, I always have the option of adding a word that I know is correct to the dictionary. Chief among these words is "boolit". I believe "obturate"(I was about to be wrong. I just added it.) is another.

If I'm wrong and I just added "obturate" to the dictionary, you are all welcome to use the correct word. If I'm correct, it is only my computer that will recognize "obturate" and each of you will be required to add it to your dictionary.

cajun shooter
04-04-2016, 07:55 PM
Now y'all know that is when that piece of lead swells and fills dat bbl. but them writers want us to be impressed with the words that make up those stories. Have fun!!

Elkins45
04-04-2016, 08:42 PM
Roger that. If Common Core has the same effect on English composition that it has upon mathematic skills, not only will the coming generation be unable to balance a checkbook but also incapable of composing a cogent written thought.


Really? Do you have a lot of experience with the Common Core standards?

mdi
04-05-2016, 12:03 PM
Thanks for that Outpost75. Every forum needs an English teacher/grammar specialist to keep us uneducated slobs on our toes...

oso
04-05-2016, 12:46 PM
Thanks for that Outpost75. Ever forum needs an English teacher/grammar specialist to keep us uneducated slobs on our toes...

mdi, could you clarify your statement for me. Are you saying you feel yourself an "uneducated slob" because you read a post from someone who values accuracy and precision?

merlin101
04-05-2016, 01:55 PM
I'm not shy, I'll admit I've learned a tremendous amount from this and other sites. I also have never claimed to have a high school diploma, so yeah I'm lagging behind. With that in mind I look around and am embarrassed by the stupidity of some (note I did not say ignorance)that have no desire to improve themselves. Spell check is a GREAT tool and my spelling has improved dramatically by just using it as a check and trying to 'beat' it. Now if only I learn sentence structure and how to cast a nice shiny boolit!

ghh3rd
04-05-2016, 03:32 PM
Funny, you can't get away from reloading terminology...

"the brass were also obdurate in their opposition to having women in any combat positions"

mdi
04-05-2016, 03:50 PM
mdi, could you clarify your statement for me. Are you saying you feel yourself an "uneducated slob" because you read a post from someone who values accuracy and precision?

There's a form of writing/speech called sarcasm...http://literarydevices.net/sarcasm/
I just dislike unnecessary, petty complaints about English usage on a reloading/casting forum. Clear enough?

Outpost75
04-05-2016, 04:38 PM
Thanks for that Outpost75. Every forum needs an English teacher/grammar specialist to keep us uneducated slobs on our toes...

I was an engineer, not an English major, or even a minor. My mentors were old school who sought perfection, but were astute enough to recognize and reward mere excellence. Well written technical reports accomplished with accuracy, brevity and clarity are the product of thoughtful mentoring as well as education. Unfortunately, this practice is less common today than it was when we learned through hands-on experience rather than by watching YouTube...

Squeeze
04-05-2016, 05:35 PM
what is the word for past tense? And can this be both a noun and a verb?

mdi
04-06-2016, 11:17 AM
I was an engineer, not an English major, or even a minor. My mentors were old school who sought perfection, but were astute enough to recognize and reward mere excellence. Well written technical reports accomplished with accuracy, brevity and clarity are the product of thoughtful mentoring as well as education. Unfortunately, this practice is less common today than it was when we learned through hands-on experience rather than by watching YouTube...

I would agree that a technical report needed exacting, clear and correct wording and spelling, but this is a Cast Boolit forum, and as long as an idea is offered and understood, success! My post was not meant to be any more offensive than a "gentle correction"...

Outpost75
04-06-2016, 12:24 PM
I would agree that a technical report needed exacting, clear and correct wording and spelling, but this is a Cast Boolit forum, and as long as an idea is offered and understood, success! My post was not meant to be any more offensive than a "gentle correction"...

I agree completely, but when I find rifles with are obdurate with cast boolits, I sell them...

ammohead
04-07-2016, 01:21 PM
Really? Do you have a lot of experience with the Common Core standards?

I have lot's of experience with teens that can't make change. Just saying.

Spector
04-08-2016, 08:45 AM
Thank you all for a great read.

A substitute teacher, with a theatrical background, once taught us that authors sometimes take ''license'' with the English language. That's all I needed to hear. In my mind I became an author at that moment in time and have taken license with the language and especially punctuation since. Fortunately English is the only language I was taught, so other languages are safe from me.

My wife's aunt wrote rules for telephone operators and on our first meeting, and after some drinks, she impressed on a young me the need for great clarity....especially in our written language.

Years later I worked for a KY utility and as part of my job I used to read contracts before they went to the bid process trying to spot anything that might be accidentally, or deliberately, misconstrued by the construction contractors who would actually do the work.

I appreciated the ''gentle correction'' and hopefully the license I've taken with the language has allowed me to make a point. I love to read what you all write, but when the pointy sticks come out the read becomes much less enjoyable for me. When that happens I am forced to interpret what is written in ways that go well beyond license or grammatical errors.

Sometimes the sharing attitude of discussion becomes the confrontational attitude of arguing. This thread not so much, but other threads I've read........way too much.

When we post here I suggest we all try to consider the large and wide ranging audience who will read our words. Written with a sharing attitude even a dissenting opinion can lead to informative discussion rather than an argument where true meaning quickly becomes muddied.

Mike

triggerhappy243
04-08-2016, 12:30 PM
another point....... one should read the entire post from post #1 all the way to the end before placing comments. I know, I do.

alamogunr
04-08-2016, 02:46 PM
another point....... one should read the entire post from post #1 all the way to the end before placing comments. I know, I do.

Good advice! I embarrassed myself a couple of times before I learned this lesson,

shredder
04-08-2016, 05:18 PM
Good advice! I embarrassed myself a couple of times before I learned this lesson,

I think I learned that one the hard way too!