What are these?

[1989toddm]

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I know they are for nail guns, but which one exactly? I've heard rumors of guys using them as primer and powder in one...are they same size as a certain rimmed cartridge?

[HB0708]

Looks like Hilti to me.

[runfiverun]

yeah, they are 22 cal blanks. [cut down 22lr shells]
they come in different levels of power and have been known to be used to propel pellets and such down a barrel occasionally.

[1989toddm]

So same head/rim as a 22lr?

[HB0708]

To be fair though, Hilti is the only brand of gun I've used. So they may be universal, but, the strips that go to the Hilti look just like that.

[fryboy]

There's other brands and some are 25 caliber most tho are 22 ,generic term is loads for powder actuated fastening systems

[HB0708]

So same head/rim as a 22lr?

Our gun used 0.27 cal blanks not 0.22. But there are a lot that use .22 cal. check and see if they fit.

[1989toddm]

I didn't take the time to fit test them last nite, I should have. But I'm 99% sure they are 25 or 27 cal.

[bubba.50]

some brands will fit a .22lr, some will fit a .22mag and the others who knows? may fit an old stevens .25 rimfire.

[KCSO]

Don't use these for ordinary pellets!!! They will blow off the head and leave the skirt in the bore on occasion. One ***** like this and you need a new barrel. Same with using shotgun primers for powering pellets.

[AggieEE]

Bubba.50 makes a good point about .25 rimfire. What would be a good bullet for the .25 stevens?

[winchester85]

the 17 wsm was based on a powder actuated fastener round. .27 caliber case head IIRC

[Rustyleee]

I tried using them once to power a pellet in a .22 rifle. It blew the skirt out and gave terrible accuracy. Not worth it.

[1989toddm]

These are .27 cal in sure after a little research and tips from you guys. Thanks! Not much use for me then.

[Mica_Hiebert]

So "powerloads" are available in 22 blanks, 25 shorts, 25 longs (cashknocker) 27 shorts and 27 longs. The strip you have apears to be either 25 or 27 short. What was your interest in these? I have shot a cartridge that used the 22 blank as primer/propellant to shoot a round ball out of a 45/70 case in a single shot carbine... the blank case has to be off set so the center fire firing pin will hit the rimmed case in the right spot. The report was almost non existant and accuracy was good out to 15 yards. It would pass through ground squirels.

[Hardcast416taylor]

They look like 25 cal. to me. Doesn`t anybody wonder why a warning about NOT using these in a firearm is given? These are meant for driving nails - NOT boolets or pellets!Robert

[Plate plinker]

They look like 25 cal. to me. Doesn`t anybody wonder why a warning about NOT using these in a firearm is given? These are meant for driving nails - NOT boolets or pellets!Robert

Thats just written because of the lawyers. I fired about 500 of those in one day once, that wasn't that much fun. They look like they would run in a Hilti or similar manually actuated (think pump action) nail gun. They also come in different power levels depending on what you are nailing and length of nail.

[Chev. William]

Powder actuated Tool "Loads" I have seen and Experimented with are available commercially in at least Three calibers: .22, .25, and .27 which is the Rounded off Body Diameter.
They are Presently available to Commercial purchase in power levels from 1, the Weakest, to 5 or 6. They are Standardized with power levels going up to 12, the Strongest Standard listed.

Grades 1, 2, 3, and 4 seem to be the range best suited for use in the older Single shot Firearms as primer, with the manufacturer's powder removed first, and Known Powder and charge
Substituted behind suitable Bullets.

Grade 4 is strong enough to launch a .32 Cal 90 grain Bullet at around 1100 to 1200 fps out of a Suitable rifle.

Grades 5 and 6 are only useful in STRONG Locked Breech Firearms as high level charges.

I personally have used grade 1, 2, and 3 in Adapter Cases in a 1915 Stevens Favorite Action to send 50 and 65 grain bullets down range with useful accuracy out to about 50 yards.

A trial with Grade 4 loads in a 1894 Stevens favorite resulted in Bent Breech block and Lever Pivot Screws (they were originals). I replaced the Bent Pivot Screws with new ones made from High Tensile Strength Bolts machined to fit the Action.

Others have reported velocity readings in .32 Long RF Rifles ranging from about a low of 450fps to a high of about 1250fps depending upon Grade of Load used.

Grade 2 seem to be the one most used by Those who remove the original powder, and add about 1 grain of Black Powder as a Booster to fire "Bullseye", "Unique" or "Tite Group" Charges in their Adapter cases in their Rifles. Cartridge calibers reported employed range from .25 Stevens through .32 Short, .32 Long, and .32 Extra Long. Bullet wights reported range from 35 grain at the low end through 50, 65, 90 to 110 grains.

There Are Several threads that Chronicle the Experimenting involved and successes in getting these old Rimfire rifles "Speaking" with Accuracy sufficient for the owners satisfaction.

Do the Corporate Lawyers like it? I do not Know.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

[Bullwolf]

On you tube, some have used 22 rim fire powder activated tool blanks, along with 22 caliber pellets.

I wasn't aware that they came in different power levels, but I looked on the shelf of my local home improvement store and there they were. Not something I want to try myself, but it was interesting to watch.

Here, hold my beer and watch this!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MOZpy55U-jY




- Bullwolf

[jonp]

Been some time since i used one but dont those also work in the nail set used to drive spikes into concrete? Put one in, set the spike where you wanted and rap the end with a hammer?

[1989toddm]

The cartridge wall OD measures .270 and the rim .326. Guess that makes them the 27 cal.

[Chev. William]

From: "Thread: reloadable .32 rimfire brass (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?147224-reloadable-32-rimfire-brass/page3)" from this forum. The full post is on page 3 of the Thread.

Here is a listing of the Powder Actuated Tool Load Color cods:
"I repeat the Color code below copied from another post:
"In brass casing:
Color-coding (Velocity)
(1)- Grey 315 ft/s (96 m/s) 1.31 grains propellant
(2)- Brown 385 ft/s (117 m/s)
(3)- Green 490 ft/s (150 m/s)
(4)- Yellow 575 ft/s (175 m/s)
(5)- Red 675 ft/s (206 m/s)
(6)- Purple 755 ft/s (230 m/s)

In nickel (silver) casings:
(7)- Grey 845 ft/s (258 m/s)
(8)- Brown 935 ft/s (285 m/s)
(9)- Green 1,025 ft/s (312 m/s)
(10)- Yellow 1,115 ft/s (340 m/s)
(11)- Red 1,205 ft/s (367 m/s)
(12)- Purple 1,295 ft/s (395 m/s)"
I have also run across a Brass cased Blue coded Load but do not remember where I saw it or what it's relative Power level was."

Best Regards,
Chev. William

[SSGOldfart]

I'm going to try a few in the old Steven 25RF.

[1989toddm]

I'm going to try a few in the old Steven 25RF.

Let us know what you find[emoji4]

[Chev. William]

Still waiting for a Report, Ssgoldfart.

[frkelly74]

Ram Set was what we used to call those 22 blank powered drivers. I think it will be a more expensive alternative than regular 22 ammo, not including repair cost.

[Chev. William]

'RamSet" is one Manufacturer of tools.

There are others. All of them seem to sell loads in containers marked with their own Trademarks but also show the Actual Maker of the Powder filled blanks.

Judicious use of Powder Actuated Tool Loads (PTL) as both Primer and Propellant have not resulted in Reported Damage. Some extreme experiments did result in repairs but nothing actually failed as reported.

Example: using a Grade 4 PTL behind a .257" diameter 65 grain Lead bullet in a .252" Groove diameter Barrel on a 1894 Stevens "Favorite" resulted in the Breech block Pivot Screw Bending and the Head Space growing beyond safe further firing. Replacing the Bent screw restored the Head Space to original measurement.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

[bbailey7821]

Stephen Mueller uses these to power a muzzleloading rig. Very sexy and function, as I understand. He is a stand up guy and I personally recommend his work/products.

http://blanklock.tripod.com/

[Chev. William]

Interesting Idea for use on muzzle loaders.