Win 296

[shaman]

I ended up with a lb of WIN 296, and I was wondering if y'all had any experience with it.

I'm currently loading for 44 Mag, and 357 Mag, at least as relevant to '296's envelope. From what I understand, 'it's a lot like H110.

[bradh]

As I understand it, it is the same powderW296 and H110.

[Calamity Jake]

As I understand it, it is the same powderW296 and H110.

Not the same, close, but not the same.
Everybody should know NOT to reduce the listed load by more than 5%!!!!!! for either powder.

[44man]

Best ever. H110 and 296 are the exact same powders but with a batch difference sent for each canister brand. It has been more of a nut case for me with H110 working in some guns and 296 better in others. 296 works best in Ruger BH's, SBH's and SRH's, S&W's and BFR's but the RH loves H110. WHY?
Hodgdon controls many powders, WW, IMR and theirs but each works different so I use IMR or WW for most. Then you have Alliant and AA but Alliant has not changed powder that much over years. AA has never worked for me. Money wasted with many cans of the stuff. IMR has always been best.
Yeah, everyone uses H110. Ever try anything else?

[Boolit_Head]

It's looking good for the 300 blackout loads I am working up. So far I am pleased. Back a long time ago I used it for some .357 loads and it worked well in those too.

[DougGuy]

There are better choices for lighter boolits, but IMO W296 and H110 are the ONLY choices for max loading with heavy boolits, 300gr and above in .44 mag and Ruger Only .45 Colt. As mentioned, DO NOT download either of these, they like a high load density and a heavy boolit brings out their best.

[Mica_Hiebert]

H110/W296 is great for mag loads, stick with heavier bullets for less forcing cone erosion, do not reduce loads and use mag primers.

[Rattlesnake Charlie]

MP-300 Pro was supposed to be Alliant's powder to fill the 110/296 slot. Has anyone tried MP-300? How did it work out?

[shaman]

From what I remember of H110 in a 44 MAG, it's a plug-n-muffs type of load-- serious shock and awe. Is WIN 296 similar?

[W.R.Buchanan]

It's looking good for the 300 blackout loads I am working up. So far I am pleased. Back a long time ago I used it for some .357 loads and it worked well in those too.

Where did you see loads for this powder in .300BLK? I had a guy on another site talking about 9.0 gr with a 247 gr bullet.

This is not even close to filling the case half way, and that's what causes the problems.

I'm wondering where this idea is coming from?

Randy

[Omega]

Where did you see loads for this powder in .300BLK? I had a guy on another site talking about 9.0 gr with a 247 gr bullet.

This is not even close to filling the case half way, and that's what causes the problems.

I'm wondering where this idea is coming from?

Randy
Sounds about right, Hodgdon's site lists many loads for it.

[Rizzo]

Not the same, close, but not the same.
Everybody should know NOT to reduce the listed load by more than 5%!!!!!! for either powder.

Nope, H110 and W296 are the same powder.
Here is a link to an interview with Chris Hodgdon that addresses that:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jphEvE3IXkw

At about 51:20, is where it is mentioned.

[John in AR]

From what I remember of H110 in a 44 MAG, it's a plug-n-muffs type of load-- serious shock and awe. Is WIN 296 similar?
I don't load .44 magnum, but in .454casull (ruger srh), 296 is my go-to powder almost always.

Definitely heed the warnings of others above; do not over- OR under-charge cases with this kind of powder. A half-charge will likely blow up your gun as quickly as an over-charge.

[dudel]

Where did you see loads for this powder in .300BLK? I had a guy on another site talking about 9.0 gr with a 247 gr bullet.

This is not even close to filling the case half way, and that's what causes the problems.

I'm wondering where this idea is coming from?

Randy

Maybe from the Hodgdon site? http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

Shows a number of loads for 300 AAC Blackout. From 115gr to 230gr projectiles. Would never have thought of H110 as a suitable powder. Having very good results with IMR-4227.

[357Mag]

I ended up with a lb of WIN 296, and I was wondering if y'all had any experience with it.

I'm currently loading for 44 Mag, and 357 Mag, at least as relevant to '296's envelope. From what I understand, 'it's a lot like H110.

Shaman -

Howdy !

WW296 is superb stuff !

For .357Mag, my go-to load for 35+yr has been:
14.5gr WW296 and SP Magnum primer, under a Lyman SWC of 158 -172gr.
These don't have to be gas checked.

I also used WW296 in my 22" .357 AutoMag " Carbine ( set-up w/ a .358" cal barrel ), and bullets of 150 - 180gr. In the AutoMag just mentioned, H110 and WW296 shot identically well.


With regards,
357Mag

[6622729]

Maybe from the Hodgdon site? http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/rifle

Shows a number of loads for 300 AAC Blackout. From 115gr to 230gr projectiles. Would never have thought of H110 as a suitable powder. Having very good results with IMR-4227.

I'm using 15.3gr W296 in 300AAC behind the Lee C312-155-2R cast bullet loaded to the crimp groove. About 1800-1850fps. W296/H110 are the same powder. I can't believe we still argue this. Straight from Hodgdon, it is the same powder.

[dragon813gt]

Not the same, close, but not the same.
Everybody should know NOT to reduce the listed load by more than 5%!!!!!! for either powder.

IT IS THE SAME POWDER. WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON POSTING FALSE INFORMATION??????

Sorry for yelling but I'm tired of seeing this posted. Hodgdon will tell you H110 and W296 are the exact same powder. So stop posting that they aren't. Now older lots when Hodgdon didn't own both brands may be different. But they've been the same powder for many years.

[toallmy]

It works good in 410 shot shells to.

[dudel]

I'm using 15.3gr W296 in 300AAC behind the Lee C312-155-2R cast bullet loaded to the crimp groove. About 1800-1850fps. W296/H110 are the same powder. I can't believe we still argue this. Straight from Hodgdon, it is the same powder.

Who's arguing? I'm in violent agreement. Posted the Hodgdon site as proof.

[6622729]

Who's arguing? I'm in violent agreement. Posted the Hodgdon site as proof.

Maybe I should have said "debate", not "argue". Either way your violent agreement ruined everything. :razz:

[Jeff Maney]

IT IS THE SAME POWDER. WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON POSTING FALSE INFORMATION??????

Sorry for yelling but I'm tired of seeing this posted. Hodgdon will tell you H110 and W296 are the exact same powder. So stop posting that they aren't. Now older lots when Hodgdon didn't own both brands may be different. But they've been the same powder for many years.
I just bought 2# of W296 & 2# H110 the same day. All four (4)cans had the EXACT same lot number!!
Jeff

[FISH4BUGS]

I use 296 in 357 and 44. It is the BEST magnum powder available. Period.
My fave load was 357 with a 125gr jhp and I don't remember how much 296 shot out of a S&W 640 2" 357. The muzzle flash and concussion was ferocious. It usually cleared out the lanes on either side of me. Totally useless load but way fun to shoot.

[Bayou52]

I use 296 for 357 mag, 44 mag and 30 carbine. Works great.....

Bayou52

[44man]

Yes, same powder from the same production line but burn rate tests would send different to Hodgdon at the time. Today, I don't know since I just buy 296.
Long ago I found accuracy differences.
The window for canister powders is each side of center for the burn rate while anything outside is sent to ammo makers since they have test equipment so they can determine amounts to use.
Back then I found H110 worked better in some guns and 296 in others. Like anything else it does no harm to test. You can use the same loads with each but it seemed H110 was 1/2 gr slower but working loads still showed a difference.
That was some time ago and I don't know if Hodgdon gets the same batches today for both. I won't buy H110 to see. Does not hurt Hodgdon since they package 296 too.
Like 2400 today with claims Alliant is different to Hercules.
We all know H powders like 4831, 4350 are different then IMR powders. Just the burn rate of a batch.

[Mal Paso]

MP-300 Pro was supposed to be Alliant's powder to fill the 110/296 slot. Has anyone tried MP-300? How did it work out?

I tried it when it first came out and found it noticeably slower than H110/296. It's another Spherical powder, can't call it Ball powder like H110/296, trademark. H110/296 is on the slow side for my 4 and 6 inch 44s and MP-300 was Too Slow. It was marketed as a Magnum Pistol Powder and I had several talks with Ben at Alliant. By "Pistol" do you mean 12" Contender? Impressive muzzle flash in a 4" revolver.

MP-300 was touted for lot to lot consistency but I've wondered if lack of sales caused them to adjust the burn rate and I was going to check it out again. With a lack of 2400 I've found refuge in strange ports. One of the best 44Mag loads I found was compressed SR4759 but that powder was discontinued last year.

[44man]

I have heard MP300 is too slow and not enough can be loaded if you need 50 fps for stability.
Might be the ticket for the .500 S&W. Plenty of room there.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I went to the Hodgdon's site and sure enough they are listing 9.5 gr of H110 for a 230 gr bullet at 1080 fps in the .300BLK.

I would have never even considered it, but apparently it works.

I stand corrected.

Randy

[dkf]

H110 and 296 are used for .458socom also. I use 296 for .44mag and .458socom. The accuracy I was seeing from 240gr XTPs, 296 and LP mag primers out of my Redhawk were really nothing to brag about though. Going to try std LPPs to see if accuracy improves.

[Mal Paso]

I have heard MP300 is too slow and not enough can be loaded if you need 50 fps for stability.
Might be the ticket for the .500 S&W. Plenty of room there.

I pulled up my spreadsheet. MP-300 with a 250g boolit out of a 4" 44Mag Redhawk was running almost 300 fps below Alliant's published guide (8.3" Barrel). I worked up the load and thought I had a bad batch of powder. Ben suggested it was the lead boolit I was shooting so I tested Jackets and the 10g Lighter Jackets ran 69 fps Slower than Lead. An over max, fully compressed load, of That Batch of MP-300 in the 4" Redhawk was still 64 fps short of the published speed.

It may be a good fit in the S&W 500 with a larger case and 24,000 higher PSI maximum especially with longer barrels. It has quite a following with some 22 bottleneck cartridges. Burn efficiency falls off rapidly at lower pressures like slightly reduced 44 Mag loads. That was My experience with that batch and Alliant didn't think anything was wrong with that batch.

[Handloader109]

And 10.6gr in my 22tcm behind a 37gr NOE cast bullet is a fun blast!
(I'll let you know if it is the same powder as I have some of both... only used H110 so far.)