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bdoyle
10-16-2005, 06:56 PM
Just how much interest is there in a re-run of the c309-113f soupcan 6 cav? Don't know how I passed it up before.
So for starters I will 'honcho' this buy. Per another thread we have interest from:
Porkchop Bob
Bodydoc447
Bart55
fiberoptik
borderman
David R

Not sure how many will signup so we may have to divide up the setup change. Let's give it a few weeks and see what turns up.

Brian

David R
10-16-2005, 08:11 PM
I bet you will get 25 commitments before the end of a month.

Thanks for heading this one up, I am still doing the 31141. I want to do another after this one is said and done.

SOOO lets wait a little and see.

David

Catshooter
10-17-2005, 09:56 PM
Got a 45 2.1 drawing?

What's a 'Soup Can"?


Cat

TCLouis
10-17-2005, 10:26 PM
Was walking back to do some more soupcan tests out of the 30-30 Contender yesterday and noticed an old (suspect for human consumption) can of peaches lying there.
Set it on end on the target rack with just the end facing me, and went on to shoot the test loads reserving one extra to attempt opening the can.
Wonder if that flat front/meplat means anything to a can . . .
In front of 9.5 grains of Red Dot it will open a can and completely spread peach slices into pieces too small to find. Ok, so I found one little piece.
Gotta try that on my Osage Orange bullet test medium when they drop!
All that to say, Soupcan is the Lee C309-113 bullet.

Shoots good out of every 30 cal I have tested, but is not likely a "long range" target bullet due to shape and weight, but I may well be wrong!

David R
10-18-2005, 06:10 AM
Catshooter, it is a 30 cal almost wadcutter with 3 or 4 driving bands, a little but not a lot like a lovern. Driving bands are wider. Seems to shoot well in everything. Perfect plinker. Gas check design, 113 grains from a lee mold. I have a 2 cavity,but it drops .314 and weighs 118grs. Check out a LEE C-309-113 f Not sure about the F, but it is almost a flatnose.

David

Willbird
10-18-2005, 06:35 AM
Darn we are getting 30 caliber boolits coming out of our ears :-)

I am just thinking to myself what I would do with this that the 314-120 won't do ?

Bill

bdoyle
10-18-2005, 11:20 AM
The c309-113f is a GC design. The mould I purchased two weeks ago drops at .311. Don't know what the real specs are, this is with a commercial hard cast alloy. I have been pushing them along with 18gr sr4759 out of my 30-30. I have only run em out to 50 yards. Don't need a big bullet to put holes in cans. Stole the pic from the Lee site. Hope it showed up...

Brian

45nut
10-18-2005, 10:50 PM
I may as well ask here,anyone have a recomended top punch number for this boolit through a SAECO machine? I tried the only one I had and it seemed to be quite short to do the job,no matter how I adjusted it I could never get any lube in the grooves. I did purchase a bolt to cut off with the dremel and use as a flat punch but since I am going to be buying some size dies and top punches anyway I may as well have the correct info on hand.
Thanks for any help Folks,the SAECO machine is kinda new to me and I am learning how much nicer a job they do vs the side shaving lyman critters.

Bman
10-18-2005, 11:58 PM
This is my first post here! I have followed what you guys have been up to through members here that frequent other forums. I missed out on the 6 hole 150gr. I don't want to miss this one. Put me down as interested and I will keep up on when to send a check. Or email me when its time to pay up before making the order from Lee.

Quickly, when Lee sets up an new mould like the Soup Can I isn't it possible to order more later? Like without all the set up costs? Just in case there is another chance to get in on that mould in the future...

Also Brian

Buckshot
10-19-2005, 01:44 AM
............Hello Brian. Glad you made it over to get the 'juice' first hand :D The 'Soup Can' (C309-113F) is curent produciotn for Lee but they do not offer it in a 6 cavity. So this group buy is for a custom mould, just because it will be in a 6 cavity set of blocks, vs the normal 2 cavity.

If you look at Lee's 30 cal boolits you'll see that they're all basiclly the same, just longer noses on the same base.

On of my shooting buddies keeps a 100 round MTM case full of 30-30's loaded with the little Lee, over 23.0grs of H4198 + dacron. He'd been experimenting with pretty good results as the charges increased and the above provided 2100 fps and printed into a tad more then 1" (5 rounds) at 100 yards. His M94 Win was wearing a Leupold VXII.

I don't know how fast it's still be sailing at 100 yards as it has the BC of a brick.

This was quite a few years ago. I tried it in a 1903A1 with 23.0 grs and got 1924 fps but my 100 yard group wasn't quite as shiney as his (iron sights too) but it was a solid 2.5".

The main reason I like it so much was because it would turn a ground squirrel inside out. I used to live out in the boonies. We had horses so the water and grain caused a pretty steady squirrel population. They're pretty tough critters and sometimes a 22RF just doesn't have the juice to cause an immediate demise. I didn't enjoy having them scrabble back under the feedshed to croak.

I worked up a load of 8.0grs of SR7625 and that boolit for about 1450 fps and it was a tackdriver. With the Springfield you stand the ladder of the Buffington up (using the apurture) set the elevator at 300 yards and up to 50 yards away all you did was put the front bead on the squirrel and it was toast. On occasion they might flop a bit, but they never did any running :D

Neatest shot I made was late one afternoon. We lived in a somewhat narrow valley and the hills on both sides were fairly steep. They were of aluvial fill so it was good digging for the ground squirrels. A dirt road ran close alongside the foot of the hills so it was nice to just walk along. Between us and the neighbors was a gate. One day I was slowly walking along and a squirrel was sitting up on the very top of the gatepost.

He was up on his haunches facing straight at me just chirping away, so the light colored belly fur made for a super aiming point. He was a good 40 yards off, and the late afternoon sun slanting in from the left had him well lit. When I shot, there was a good solid 'Whap!". I could see him making this perfect backflip throught a big golden halo of dust the bullet's impact had made, heh, heh!

I'd invited a buddy to come out for a squirrel strafing safari. When he pulled up I went in the house and came back out with the Springfield. He just stared at it and said, "You're gonna shoot ground squirrels with THAT!"

...............Buckshot

Calamity Jake
10-19-2005, 01:49 PM
I may as well ask here,anyone have a recomended top punch number for this boolit through a SAECO machine? I tried the only one I had and it seemed to be quite short to do the job,no matter how I adjusted it I could never get any lube in the grooves. I did purchase a bolt to cut off with the dremel and use as a flat punch but since I am going to be buying some size dies and top punches anyway I may as well have the correct info on hand.
Thanks for any help Folks,the SAECO machine is kinda new to me and I am learning how much nicer a job they do vs the side shaving lyman critters.


45nut, Looking at my old GAR catalog, looks like Saeco #32323 for the 32wc or #32467 32swc should work for the 309-113f.
If you you choose one of the above and it doesn't work then do a little lathe work to it by drilling a hole in the nose end to fit the Lyman/RCBS top punches.

This will give you more length to get the lee seated deep enough for lube and more variaty for finding a TP that will work.

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bdoyle. put me down for one of these molds.

Catshooter
10-20-2005, 08:36 PM
Thank you gentlemen for the answers.


Cat

Johnch
10-21-2005, 08:53 PM
I would be interested

Johnch

Catshooter
10-22-2005, 12:32 PM
What about a "Fat Soup Can?"


Cat

lar45
10-22-2005, 01:09 PM
I believe the last one made was ordered just a tad on the large side. was that Old Feller that did that one? I got one of those and it makes a pile of great little bullets in a hurry.

Nrut
10-22-2005, 01:48 PM
I also would be interested thinking this should work well in a B53 32-20 and the odd 30-30 I have lying around.... Buckshot back in the 60's my roomate and I used to shoot ground squrrils in the calif. coast foothills (on his folks ranch)with our Springfields 03A3's and ball ammo...great fun and lots of huge rattlers also...shot one particulary large rattler and put him in the back of the scout P-U we were using along with the rifles...everytime we would see a squrrill and jump out to grab the rifles that rattler would be moving and caused us to squeal like school girls....40 years ago and I'll never forget that! ....
Willbird.... the 314120 doesn't have a gas check and I maybe wrong but I doubt that you can push as fast as the gas checked soup can....which is one option I like about a gas check....for sure I would have ordered the 314120 if it had a gas check......cheers mic

fiberoptik
10-28-2005, 01:28 PM
I'm certainly still interested. Would the checks be getting cashed beginning of next month hopefully? I've got some expenses this month. :mad:

bdoyle
10-28-2005, 01:53 PM
Not really sure if this is going anywhere real soon. I think we should give it a while longer and then see if those interested will go for a limited run.

(($50mould + $6shipping) + ($100setup / those interested)) = > $56standard
I think we are sitting at 10(maybe 9)

Brian

David R
10-28-2005, 05:57 PM
10 guys, $100 set up feel $10.00 each, that means $66.00 per mold. I can wait months. Kinda over run with molds right now, BUT I am certenly in when ever the time comes.

David

Bodydoc447
10-28-2005, 06:02 PM
I am still intrested. If we wait a month or so we might collect a few more orders but with at least 10 the set up fee isn't too bad. Whatever you want to do is fine with me.

Doc

Dutch4122
10-29-2005, 04:46 PM
You can count me in for one of these. Just let us know when and where to send the check.

Junior1942
10-31-2005, 05:58 PM
I'd like one, too, but unless I can sell my body for some extra cash it'll be a couple of months before I can lay out another $56 for another mold. Damn shame I wasn't born rich instead of so good lookin'. Well, I did have a lot of money at one time but I spent it all . . . plus some.

Buckshot
11-02-2005, 04:01 AM
...........Lee soup can, C309-113F fired today 11-01-05 from a 1903 sporter 30-06. Load was 8.0grs Red Dot, fed from the magazine. Five rounds at 50 yards, iron sights. Visually inspected slugs, Javalino, Hornady. Seated and crimped into bottom LG, front band engraves.

http://www.fototime.com/E9343A12D3693E4/standard.jpg

...........Buckshot

David R
11-02-2005, 07:23 AM
Nice, very nice Buckshot.

Char-Gar
11-08-2005, 10:30 PM
I would like one, but I would like to see it throw .314 bullets, so they can be used in the varous fat 30's. Can be sized .310 easy enough and would make the bullet MUCH more versatile

Dutch4122
11-08-2005, 10:40 PM
I'm with Chargar. Another vote for .314" as cast from wheelweights.

Bodydoc447
11-09-2005, 10:22 AM
If y'all can get this one to drop at 0.314" my .32-20 will think is has died and gone to CB heaven! I have been looking for just such a critter. Of course, I'd sign up for one that dropped a little smaller for my thutty-thutty for my oldest boy (eight and a killer with a .22) to start centerfires with.

Doc

David R
11-09-2005, 05:32 PM
My 2 cavity drops em at .314. I would like one that drops em at .310. The .314 ones are fine in my 32-20 contender and my 7.65 arg, but when they are sized down to .310, it leaves little room for lube. They still shoot well.

No hurry on this one, I have 2 30 cal group buys coming this way already.

David

Buckshot
11-10-2005, 02:10 AM
.............I'm not involved in this particular group buy, but I keep sticking my nose in because it's such a fine little boolit. As David mentioned his, so does my 2 cav drop them at .314" and that's with a 12 BHN alloy. That's pretty much WW area. I haven't cast any from my 6 cavity from the last group buy so I don't know about them.

If I might further intrude :D, I'd suggest staying with the current Lee type size (.314") as it's a lot easier to size down then to size up :bigsmyl2:. That group I shot in the above photo had them sized to .309", so sizing them down .005" was obviously not a bad thing.

If they drop at .314" you can use them in most any 30 cal, and also the fat 30's which takes in quite a number of other cartridges. The larger size just increases the utility of the slug, IMHO.

..........Buckshot

LIMPINGJ
11-10-2005, 11:38 PM
Interested if we go for .314".
Jim

David R
11-11-2005, 07:18 AM
If its bigger than .312, I'm out.

This is a group buy, do what the group wants. But I already have a .314 soupcan mold.

David

45 2.1
11-11-2005, 07:47 AM
I passed on the first one because of the larger size. If not over 0.312", I would be in.

gregg
11-13-2005, 10:34 AM
Here what I do with oversized bullets..
Lube in my Lyman with a oversized sizer.
Like a .459 for a .454 bullet. Then I run
them thru a Lee push thru sizer at .454
or .452 sizer depending on which firearm
they will be shot in. With the lube grooves
full of lube the bullets will keep there shape.
You cannot compress water or grease. Does
make a nice looking bullet. The bullets center
very well in the Lee push thur sizer. Its fast
and makes as I said a great bullet.

Griff
11-14-2005, 11:55 AM
I'm in if it throws a .311/.312 using str. WW. Bigger I don't need.

trooperdan
11-14-2005, 03:16 PM
Damn, that is a pretty target Buckshot! I'd be proud to hang that one on my wall!

Cayoot
11-16-2005, 04:06 PM
Darn! If this thing goes to press, I'm gonna have to get in on it too! [smilie=p:

Catshooter
11-18-2005, 10:13 PM
.314 for me please!


Cat

Buckshot
11-19-2005, 08:58 AM
..............I've added a poll to determine cast diameter prefrences, .312 or .314. The poll will only run 14 days.

................Buckshot

C1PNR
11-19-2005, 11:31 PM
Buckshot, thanks for doing that!

I'm not quite sure why folks want a .312 max LEE 6 banger when they can easily size down a .314 casting, IF Lee holds to our specs!!

I'm still on the fence as far as ordering one of these, but I'll probably join in to support my cómpas.:confused:

BUT Lee is on a short string as far as I am concerned!

I'm presently involved in the purchase of Nine of these Lee six cavity moulds. If the LEE attitude of "close is good" is evidenced, even on one mould order, that is their "death knell" for me.:(

David R
11-20-2005, 12:06 AM
C2pnr,

I have a soup can that drops at .314. Once I size it down, it doesn't leave much room for grease. Basically its a pian in the butt.

.311 would be plenty big for me.

David

4060MAY
11-20-2005, 01:40 PM
I'm in, would prefer .314 for 32-20

Antietamgw
11-23-2005, 02:07 AM
I'm in for 1 in .314

Cayoot
11-23-2005, 11:34 AM
This one sounds like a lot of fun [smilie=w:

Count me in, no matter what size you decide, but I'll be using it in .30 cal so I'd prefer the smaller size....but like I said, I'll order it either way cuz I can always size it down.

DiamondD
11-27-2005, 09:11 PM
I wanted to get in the last buy for these and then spaced it out and never sent my money. I have been kicking myself ever since. I voted for .314 as I would like to use this in a .32 H&R as well as my .30-30.

bdoyle
11-29-2005, 12:03 AM
If the voting is any indicator, we are good to go for a .314 version of the c309-113f six cavity mould. IF we want to go for the reduced rate all has to all wrapped up by 12-15-05. Not much time. The next order window is in April. Too far away by my reckoning. I would like to finish the print to let all point and grunt at. Checks need to be collected and then all sent to the 'Super Honcho'. This would in reality give us about a week to decide and collect money.

yeow

Brian

CSH
11-30-2005, 11:19 AM
Count me in for one. Diameter doesn't matter.

bdoyle
11-30-2005, 06:50 PM
Please check out 'soupcan II here we go (or not) for order info. If there is enough initial response then we might go for Dec 15 order date. But realisticly it will be next year. I don't want any checks yet until I see the response.
thanks!
Brian