Closed:8mm SIL Group Buy is Here!!!!!!!!!!

[Dutch4122]

This Group Buy is for the 8mm SIL Boolit as designed by 45 2.1.

Designed for a gas check.

As cast diameter is .326" cast of wheelweight alloy.

Weight is 197 grains as cast of wheelweight alloy.

As you will see from the picture below the nose portion is a "series of tapers designed to get the boolit centered well gradually." This boolit is a scaled up 8mm version of the modified RCBS 30-165-SIL which was a previous Group Buy that is expected back from Lee any time now.

This Group Buy will be cut in Lee Six Cavity blocks. Cost will be $62.00 per mold. That price will cover shipping to anyone in CONUS and provide a free mold to 45 2.1 for his design services. Foreign orders please add $15.00 US to cover shipping costs.

This Group Buy will run until we get 25 orders or until June 22, 2008, whichever comes first. A two week last call will be annouced at that time. If we do not have 25 orders by that date I will figure the $100 set up cost split between the buyers evenly and then notify everyone how much extra to send me for that set-up fee. Either way the order will go in to Lee.

*****SPECIAL NOTE: LEE GUARANTEES AN AS CAST DIAMETER OF DEAD ON OUR SPECS TO + .003" OVER OUR SPECS. THIS MEANS WE MAY GET MOLDS THAT CAST AT .329" ON THE BANDS. THEY ALSO DO NOT GUARANTEE THE WEIGHT TO BE PERFECT DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY CLAIM EVERYBODY'S ALLOYS & CASTING METHODS MAY BE DIFFERENT. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEND THE MOLDS BACK TO LEE FOR A RE-CUT IF THEY CAST AT .327" TO .329" OR IF THEY DON'T WEIGH EXACTLY 197 GRAINS.

What this means is if you can't live with a boolit that will have to be sized down a couple thousandths don't send me your order. The reality here is that the Group Buys coming back from Lee recently are dropping from the molds anywhere from dead on to .002" over; with most being on the money or .001" over spec'd diameter. Weight has also been very close to what we have been asking for.

PM me here at Cast Boolits for my address to send payment if you would like to get in on this Group Buy.

Here is a picture of the 8mm SIL Boolit:

[Boomer Mikey]

I want one,

Boomer :Fire:

[Dutch4122]

Here's the list so far:

48415
62801
29439

Keep 'em coming!:Fire:

[Dutch4122]

Updated List:

1) 48415
2) 62801
3) 29439
4) 43445

[smilie=2:

[billyb]

one for 74047

[billyb]

one for 74047
check is in bound

[Dutch4122]

Updated List:

1) 48415
2) 62801
3) 29439
4) 43445
5) 74047
6) 12401

Only 19 more to go!;)

[mj2evans]

Can I lube this bullet with Lee Alox? I am kind of new to casting and not familiar with the different styles of lube groves. I use Lee sizing dies so sizing/lubing options are limited for me. I sure would like a 6 banger 8mm mold!

[Dutch4122]

Can I lube this bullet with Lee Alox? I am kind of new to casting and not familiar with the different styles of lube groves. I use Lee sizing dies so sizing/lubing options are limited for me. I sure would like a 6 banger 8mm mold!

I apologize for not responding to your question sooner. While I have never used Lee Liquid Alox personally; I have read on this board info posted by other members who have used LLA on boolits with conventional lube grooves with quite a bit of success.

Hope this helps,:-D

[Dutch4122]

Here's the current list of zip codes:

1) 48415
2) 62801
3) 29439
4) 43445
5) 74047
6) 12401
7) 84601

Quite a ways to go with Group Buy. Keep 'em coming! :)

[Chargar]

I want one and will send the money in a day or so. I am in the process of moving deeper into South Texas and life is sorta turned on end right now. Myzip will be 78575

[mj2evans]

Payment sent. Zip is 75229.

[luober]

I am fairly new to the cast boolets group buy site and I need to know what is the proceedure to order one of these 8mm molds? I've never got in on a group buy before and this bullet looks like an interesting profile. thanks, luober

[Buckshot]

I am fairly new to the cast boolets group buy site and I need to know what is the proceedure to order one of these 8mm molds? I've never got in on a group buy before and this bullet looks like an interesting profile. thanks, luober


Per the honcho, Dutch4122:

"PM me here at Cast Boolits for my address to send payment if you would like to get in on this Group Buy."

.................Buckshot

[CENTEX BILL]

add me to the list for 1.

zip 78132

[Dutch4122]

01) 48415
02) 62801
03) 29439
04) 43445
05) 74047
06) 12401
07) 84601
08) 89130
09) 75229
10) 10009

THE TWO WEEK LAST CALL IS NOW IN EFFECT. NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE UP YOUR MIND IF YOU ARE SITTING ON THE FENCE!

I will be going out of town until Wednesday June 25th but will answer inquiries for this Group Buy that evening.

[NuJudge]

I am interested in such a bullet for a semi-auto in 8x57 with incredibly forceful feeding. I believe a crimp would be useful. Does this bullet have a crimp groove? If not, would a 8x57 Lee factory crimp die work with it?

CDD

[45 2.1]

I am interested in such a bullet for a semi-auto in 8x57 with incredibly forceful feeding. I believe a crimp would be useful. Does this bullet have a crimp groove? If not, would a 8x57 Lee factory crimp die work with it?

CDD

No crimp groove, but the Lee factory crimp die usually keeps things more than firm enough in everything i've used them with.

[NuJudge]

OK, I'll buy one also.

CDD

[Boomer Mikey]

My check is in the mail.

Boomer :Fire:

[Steve]

Payment went out today. 49112. Thanks. Steve

[Dutch4122]

Updated order list

01) 48415
02) 62801
03) 29439
04) 43445
05) 74047
06) 12401
07) 84601
08) 89130
09) 75229
10) 10009
11) 49112
12) 94591

ALSO, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE WILL NOT MAKE THE MINIMUM OF 25 ORDERS BY THE TIME THIS GROUP BUY CLOSES NEXT WEEK I HAVE TO RAISE THE PRICE TO $70.00 PER MOLD. THE EXTRA $8.00 PER ORDER WILL GO TOWARDS SPLITTING THE COST AMOUNG ALL OF US FOR LEE'S $100 SETUP FEE. THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE ALREADY SENT $62.00 WILL NEED TO SEND AN ADDITIONAL $8.00 TO ME.

Sorry for any trouble this causes[smilie=b:

[mj2evans]

No problem.

[billyb]

my 8 is on the way. Bill

[johnch]

Just saw this
My extra $8 will be in the mail in the AM

John

[Dutch4122]

Current List as follows:

01) 48415
02) 62801
03) 29439
04) 43445
05) 74047
06) 12401
07) 84601
08) 89130
09) 75229
10) 10009
11) 49112
12) 94591
13) 48183
14) 92399

There are a couple more orders in the mail as we speak. Total will end up as 16 to 18 molds ordered. THIS GROUP BUY WILL BE CLOSED TOMORROW SO IF YOU STILL WANT IN CONTACT ME BY 11:59 PM ON JULY 6TH OR YOU WILL BE S-O-L!

[KYCaster]

I want one. PM sent...40162

Jerry

[Dutch4122]

Here's the updated list:

01) 48415 (2)
02) 62801 (2)
03) 29439
04) 43445
05) 74047
06) 12401
07) 84601
08) 89130
09) 75229
10) 10009
11) 49112
12) 94591
13) 48183
14) 92399
15) 78132

Total = 17 molds ordered. Several checks are on the way as I type this post. All checks will be cashed this week and this order will go to Lee next week. If you have previously sent me a check for $62.00 and haven't sent me the additional $8 for the setup fee, please send the extra to me asap.

[Steve]

Howdy: I stent $8 USPS today from 49112 Steve

[Dutch4122]

Here is the final list and totals for the 8mm SIL Group Buy:

01) 48415 (2)
02) 62801 (2)
03) 29439
04) 43445
05) 74047
06) 12401
07) 84601
08) 89130
09) 75229
10) 10009
11) 49112
12) 94591
13) 48183
14) 92399
15) 78132
16) DH32AY (2)

Total = 19 molds ordered. The order will go in to Lee Precision this week. Lee is currently advising 6 to 9 months on custom orders.

When the order comes in from Lee I will post a notice on this thread and then do a test cast. If the test cast produces boolits that are acceptable I will then ship the molds out.

Thanks to all of you that participated!:drinks:

[Dutch4122]

The moderators can feel free to drop this thread from being a "sticky":)

[dromia]

The moderators can feel free to drop this thread from being a "sticky":)


'Tis done.

Now we wait. [smilie=1:

[curt48mauser]

:-D Anybody know if we are getting close yet?

[Maven]

Dutch, Any news from Lee Precision on when they'll deliver this mold?

[Dutch4122]

Unfortunately Lee does not notify us of the status on these orders. If we call and ask when an order will be done they will not commit to a specific time frame. All we can do is wait. Sorry [smilie=b:

[opentop]

I just saw this, If anyone backs out, or if you wind up with an extra, I would be intested.

[Chargar]

I intended to get in on this buy, but never got my round tuit. If anybody wants out, let me know and I will buy you out.

[curt48mauser]

Ah, April, The hope of new molds springs eternal. Just keeping the thread alive.

[curt48mauser]

Hope this doesn't raise everyones hopes up too much, but Swabby posted that he sent out his order on 6-13 and just recieved that group buy yesterday. Dutch 4122 posted that he got our order into Lee the week of 7-15. All things being equal, maybe we are getting close?:drinks:

curt48mauser

[Dutch4122]

Hope this doesn't raise everyones hopes up too much, but Swabby posted that he sent out his order on 6-13 and just recieved that group buy yesterday. Dutch 4122 posted that he got our order into Lee the week of 7-15. All things being equal, maybe we are getting close?:drinks:

curt48mauser

Keeping my fingers crossed also.:mrgreen: I've got a Persian Mauser and a 24/47 Yugo Mauser that I can't wait to try these boolits in. 10 months is rapidly approaching since this order went in to Lee.[smilie=b:

[curt48mauser]

Assuming Lee gets us this mold before we get much older:killingpc, does anyone have an idea which Lyman top punch this bullet would need? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Curt

[C1PNR]

Assuming Lee gets us this mold before we get much older:killingpc, does anyone have an idea which Lyman top punch this bullet would need? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks
Curt
Umm, I don't think Lyman has anything close to this nose shape.

But I have it on good authority that Lee will produce one that fits perfectly. They'll put it in the que for production, right behind the next custom mould order!:kidding::lol:

[curt48mauser]

Time to get a reamed out top punch and some JB weld and make some "molded adjustments", [smilie=1:
If any number does show up as promising, don't keep it a total secret.

Thanks
Curt

[45 2.1]

You might want to try the RCBS 30 Sil. mold top punch.

[curt48mauser]

Thanks 45 2.1, I will check that one out.
Since I am getting responses to my questions (Thanks C1PNR and 45 2.1), Does this feel like Christmas but not knowing the day the presents are supposed to arrive?:sad:

Thanks
curt48mauser

There is the patience of Job, and then there is Lee patience.

[dromia]

Bump!

This is coming up a year since ordered. :(

[curt48mauser]

Hey everyone,

The guys that have been waiting for their 75 grain 38 caliber "Tuna cans from Hell" for like 2 years have finally been rewarded for their patience. Wish them well and maybe we will be on the Lee mailing soon.
I know that when I put my order in for this 8mm mold, I had only 1 granddaughter:grin: and no indication of anything on the horizion. Fast forward to July (now) and we are up to two grandchildren. Grandson this time.:grin:
......um, no one thinks that I might be up to 3 gkidsby the time these molds make it out.....:groner:

curt48mauser

[dromia]

Lee customer care.

"Your the customer and we don't care".

[curt48mauser]

Bump.........please:(

[DanM]

Any extra molds available?

[curt48mauser]

Um, is anyone feeling like this is ground hog day with the bumps? over and over and (Lee) over again. Dutch 4122, I hate to bug, but have you heard anything from Lee lately?
Sorry to be a pain. But on the good side, my nephew got a doe in the youth hunt in Michigan this weekend. Venison in my sister and brother-in-laws' freezer. Now if I can only figure out how to get some out here.

Curt

[Dutch4122]

Um, is anyone feeling like this is ground hog day with the bumps? over and over and (Lee) over again. Dutch 4122, I hate to bug, but have you heard anything from Lee lately?
Curt


Not trying to be a jerk here; But it seems I can't say it enough times. Lee does not, and has never called or mailed anybody with an update on the status of their custom order. Asking me if I've "heard anything from Lee lately" is going to get the same response back from me every time. No, I haven't heard from Lee lately; and I wont' "hear" anything from Lee until I come home one day and find the boxes with our order on my porch.

Lee expects us to send them our money and wait. Others who have ran these group buys have been told by management at Lee that if they continue to call about their order it will be shifted to the back of the line. Then their are those who have claimed recently to have called Lee and been given a rough idea of how many orders are ahead of theirs.

Now, put yourself in my shoes. Would you be calling them about the status of the order and risk having it shifted to the back of the line? They have already proven that they are not taking these Group Buys and producing them in order.

I'm just as frustrated as anybody else. [smilie=b:

[Maven]

Matt, Thanks for the update (and for taking the heat on this one)! Frankly, I'm not pleased with Lee's "business model" either, but they may be overwhelmed by demand (fears of gun & component bans) and their own mistakes on Group Buy molds, namely dimensional errors.

[curt48mauser]

Sorry Dutch, I didn't mean to go the wrong way on the question. I apologise and hope you accept it. I have heard that Lee threatens to move orders to the back of the line for inquiring about them, but I didn't realize it was for real. All of us appreciate you honchoing this group buy and being the point man for it. You helped me to realize that your spot isn't a cool place when the supplier (Lee) takes this long. Anyway, lets' get through this and move on to the next project.

[Dutch4122]

Curt did not deserve the response I gave to his inquiry about the status of this Group Buy. I want everyone here to know that I have sent him a PM with an explaination and my apologies.

I would also like to apologize to him and everyone else here for not addressing the matter sooner.

If my responses to other inquiries about the status of Group Buys that I have run in the past have offended anyone I would like to apologize to them as well. I have always felt that the "Honcho" is responsible to his customers; and that they deserve to be dealt with in a courteous manner.

NOW, CHECK OUT MY NEXT POST FOR THE GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!![smilie=w:

[Dutch4122]

The molds are in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The test cast is done!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And best of all, we are in business here Gentlemen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I measured 6 boolits from a perfect drop. All mic out between .326" - .327" and are less than .001" out of round.:shock:

This design falls out of the block simply with a twist of the wrist and no "handle banging."

Weights are running between 201-203 grains, cast of wheelweight with 1% tin added. Gas checks are a snap on fit for all six cast from my mold. Noses are tapered as close to specs as I can measure!

Watch your mailboxes Guys, they're all going in the mail tomorrow!!!!! :drinks:

[Maven]

Way to go Matt! And many thanks for undertaking this extended project!

[Dutch4122]

Just got back from the Post Office. All of the molds are on their way.

It's been a long wait; but I hope that you all enjoy them.:Fire:

[dromia]

Huzzah! :drinks:

Many thanks Matt for doing this, for your effort and patience along the way.

[curt48mauser]

Hi to Dutch4122,
Thanks for the note. All is good. Thanks for running this thing.

Curt

[johnch]

43445 arived today
I have not had a chance to open it up yeat

As I just walked from Bambi hunting
1 out of a posible 18 is about to be cut up

BTW thanks
I know the head ackes Lee puts all honcho's through
But I bet they don't get much more from us



John

[Boomer Mikey]

My mold arrived today for 94591 in good shape.

Thank you Matt!

Boomer

[SwedeNelson]

Got mine!
Thanks.

It looks good. No gaps or out of alignment problems.
Cavities look clean and well done.
Will cast with it today and see how it does.

Swede Nelson

[curt48mauser]

Oh boy and oh brother.

Well, the mold arrived on Saturday, (Thanks Dutch 4122). Anyway, I started casting a few after cleaning and smoking the cavities. They are coming out in a range of 197 to 200 grains
and just touching in at .326 in (8.30 mm). This is with a straight wheel weight cast mix. :mrgreen:
All good right? I was camming the lever on what would have been my 100th bullet, and the arm broke off just past where the bolt goes through for it to pivot on. Looking at the steel, it really appears to be crystallized. I don't know how else to describe it. It just has that silvery grainy look in the break and it really broke like it was glass. No cam lever distortion or anything. The mold was just warming up good, the bullets were not even doing any "frosting".
So here is the dilemma, do I just swap cams from another 6 cavity and keep cranking and send the broken part to Lee, do I send the whole mold in with the cast bullets still inside?
Or some variation on that theme? I hate to send the whole mold back. It is casting what I want that I have had for less than 72 hours. Suggestions please.
I will try to post some pictures in a bit.

Curt

[Dutch4122]

Curt-

Send the broken part to me. My return address is on the mold box. I will send you a new cam from one of my extras. Then I will deal with Lee about getting a replacement for the broken one. I have the Group Buy receipt so Lee can just deal with me.

This should be the fastest way to get you back to casting with the new mold.

Sound good?

[curt48mauser]

Hi Dutch,

This is great. I didn't think it would be something you needed to handle, but I will not turn down the offer. Thanks. I will get it out to you in a day or two.

Thanks again,
Curt

[billyb]

74047, My mold arrived today. A tip of the hat to for your hard work on this group by. Thanks . Bill

[Maven]

Matt, My mold arrived yesterday (12401) and is finished much better than the other 2 GB molds I purchased. I'll cast with it tomorrow and treat the sprue cutter gingerly.

[richbug]

Curt-

Send the broken part to me. My return address is on the mold box. I will send you a new cam from one of my extras. Then I will deal with Lee about getting a replacement for the broken one. I have the Group Buy receipt so Lee can just deal with me.

This should be the fastest way to get you back to casting with the new mold.

Sound good?

I'll buy the broken/missing parts 8mm mold if you want to part with it.

rich

[45 2.1]

I'll buy the broken/missing parts 8mm mold if you want to part with it.

rich

You can get this design from BRP Custom molds. He is in the Vendor section.

[richbug]

You can get this design from BRP Custom molds. He is in the Vendor section.


I thought I would make the offer so he wasn't out any extra time or money.

I wasn't dying to get it, but I just happened to have a set of new 6 cavity Lee parts here from another mold that I accidentally destroyed when the collet came loose in the mill.

[curt48mauser]

Hi Richbug,

Thanks, but I will keep this mold. I have sent Dutch4122 the broken part and I just swapped a cam lever off of another six banger. It is back in production now and thats the way I would like to keep it.
Thanks again for running this buy for us Matt.

Curt48mauser

[richbug]

Hi Richbug,

Thanks, but I will keep this mold. I have sent Dutch4122 the broken part and I just swapped a cam lever off of another six banger. It is back in production now and thats the way I would like to keep it.
Thanks again for running this buy for us Matt.

Curt48mauser


I wasn't offering to buy yours, but the one Dutch took the parts from. I believe he and I have come to a deal on that.

[Dutch4122]

Anybody else get their molds yet. Seems like enough time has passed for all of the molds to arrive at their destinations.

Just checking???????????:-)