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[buckwheatpaul]

You and I are Members,Don't Delete, Just Read and Pass it on. The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a net worth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35, according to an analysis of census data releasedMonday.


They like to refer to us as senior citizens, old fogies,geezers, and in some cases dinosaurs. Some of us are "Baby Boomers" getting ready to retire. Others have been retired for some time.
We walk a little slower these days and our eyes and hearing are not what they once were.
We worked hard, raised our children, worshiped our God and grown old together.


Yes, we are the ones some refer to as being over the hill, and that is probably true. But before writing us off completely, there are a few things that need to be taken into consideration.


In school we studied English, history, math, and science which enabled us to lead America into the technological age.
Most of us remember what outhouses were, many of us with firsthand experience. We remember the days of telephone party-lines, 25 cent gasoline, and milk andice being delivered to our homes. For those of you who don't know what an icebox is, today they are electric and referred to as refrigerators. A few even remember when cars were started with a crank. Yes, we lived those days.

We are probably considered old fashioned and out-dated by many. But there are a few things you need to remember before completely writing us off.
We won World War II, fought in Korea and Vietnam . We can quote The Pledge of Allegiance, and know where to place our hand while doing so. We wore the uniform of our country with pride and lost many friends on the battlefield. We didn't fight for the Socialist States of America ; we fought for the"Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." We wore different uniforms but carried the same flag.
We know the words to the StarSpangled Banner, America, and America the Beautiful by heart, and you may even
see some tears running down our cheeks as we sing.
We have lived what many of you have only read in history books and we feel no obligation to apologize to anyone for America .

Yes, we are old and slow these days but rest assured, we have at least one good fight left in us. We have loved this country, fought for it, and died for it, and now we are going to save it. It is our country and nobody is going to take it away from us.
We took oaths to defend Americaagainst all enemies,foreign and domestic, and that is an oath we plan to keep.
There are those who want to destroy this land we love but, like our founders, there is no way we are going to remain silent.


It was mostly the young people of this nation who elected Obama and the Democratic Congress. You fell for the "Hope and Change" which in reality was nothing but "Hype and Lies."


You youngsters have tasted socialism and seen evil face to face, and have found you don't like it after all. You make a lot of noise, but most are all too interested in their careers or "Climbing the Social Ladder" to be involved in such mundane things as patriotism and voting.
Many of those who fell for the "Great Lie" in 2008 are now having buyer's remorse. With all the education we gave you, you didn't have sense enough tosee through the lies and instead drank the 'Kool -Aid.' Now you're paying the price and complaining about it. No jobs, lost mortgages, higher taxes, and less freedom.


This is what you voted for and this is what you got. We entrusted you with the Torch of Liberty and you traded it for a paycheck and a fancy house.


Well, don't worry youngsters, the Grey-Haired Brigade is here, and in 2016 we are going to take back our nation. We may drive a little slower than you would like but we get to where we're going, and in 2016 we're going to the polls by the millions.


This land does not belong to the man in the White House nor to the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and Eric Holder. It belongs to "We the People" and "We the People" plan to reclaim our land and our freedom.


We hope this time you will do a better job of preserving it and passing it along to our grandchildren. So the next time you have the chance to say the Pledge of Allegiance, stand up, put your handover your heart, honor ourcountry, and thank God for the old geezers of the "Gray-Haired Brigade."
Footnote:This is spot on. I am another Gray-Haired Geezer signing on. I will circulate this to other Gray-Haired Geezers all over this once great county.


Can you feel the ground shaking???

It's not an earthquake,it is a STAMPEDE.
You and I are Members, don't Delete,
just read and pass it on .

[DCP]

Count me in

[fivegunner]

Count me in also!!![smilie=2:[smilie=2::castmine:

[bedbugbilly]

I must be one too . . 'cause I'm having trouble reading the words that are run together that should have spaces between 'em. Or is this really a test for "old timers disease"? :-)

[DCP]

Sometime my cut and paste does the same thing. Anyone know why.

[DoubleAdobe]

In dire need of a SPACE key, otherwise good post.

[MaryB]

Full of HTML tags for color etc... I edited what I could find...

[aspangler]

Copied, put into email and sent to my entire address book.

[Ken in Iowa]

I'm in.

The better news is that my son, godson and my young second cousin have caught the conservative political fire.

[762sultan]

The most important day of the year will be election day! I will look forward to it.

[Beerd]

Sometime my cut and paste does the same thing. Anyone know why.

ask your grandkid.
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[DCP]

Thanks Mary
Your aces

[bullet maker 57]

Count me in as well.

[bedbugbilly]

You know . . . I went back and read this again . . . several times in fact . . and none of us who fit this generation need to apologize for anything. Most of us grew up with parents who weathered The Great Depression. 99.9% of them . . whether woman or man "served" our country either in uniform or in sacrificing their needs through rationing and working in the defense industry to give those in uniform what they needed to get the job done. Did they do it with "blinders on" . . certainly not but they did it because it was their duty and they loved this country . . . and they wanted to put an end to such thins as socialism and to help free those under the oppression of such as Hitler, etc. When the men and women came home, they picked up their lives and strived to make a better life for their children . . . "us".

The other day, I was talking with a guy I know and he was complaining about his "lazy grandson" who is 19 . . expects the world to beat a path to his door and who does nothing but mooch off his parents . . who allow it. No ambition, no sense of responsibility, no nothing but wanting to "play" video games and constantly "text" on his smart phone . . . all of which his parents pay for.

When he had finished spouting off about his grand kid, I mentioned how "downhill" everything seems to be going . . and what a contrast there was between our parent's generation and the current young people. Think about it . . . who stormed the beaches at Normandy or landed on the islands in the Pacific? It was 18 through 25 year olds (generally) and they did it because they knew it was their country who was committed to fight so that the things going on would not come to this country . . there was a job to be done and they did it. Yes . . today we have many fine young men and women serving in the armed forces and they and their families are to be commended and deserve 150% of our support. But, there seems to be a much larger population of young people who have the attitude that they are "entitled" and who have no concept of love of country . . . they only love themselves and they are #1. They buy in to all the liberalism and garbage coming out of Washington or State government and fail to realize that this country was founded on "we the people" . . not self serving politicians. Unfortunately, they did not have the influence of "The Greatest Generation" . . and that generation is fast disappearing. Our generation faced the Draft and Viet Nam . . and many served . . . but it was a time when things were changing in this country as well. Our parents wanted their children to have it better than they did . . . and for most of us, we did. But then, we continued with that philosophy with the next generation . . . so perhaps in the end, we are all responsible for some of it . . . but while that may be . . . .we may be old but we still have the ability to "speak" and we need to. Not only in words but at the voting booth . . . . . and hopefully put an end to a lot of the insanity that is going on.

[Hannibal]

This is a good thread.

I purchased a copy of Modern Gunsmithing by Clyde Baker from a forum member just last week. Yesterday, I was reading the first chapter. Contained within is Mr Baker's observations and obvious distain for what he percieves to be the decline of society. An emasculation of society, he calls it. He goes on for several paragraphs bemoaning the loss of knowledge, skill, and general understanding if what WORK truely is.

What I find most interesting is the introduction to this book was written in July, 1928.

[Area Man]

...What I find most interesting is the introduction to this book was written in July, 1928.

I think there's a strong tendency to view the next generation as substandard to ours. The work ethic of the boomers is to be commended. On the other side of that coin that was during a time when the US economy was one of the strongest the world had ever seen. The world's ability to produce goods was decimated but ours was running strong. Good jobs are a lot harder to come by now. We can certainly point to some dude in his mid 20s still living with his parents and call him a slacker and there's merit to that. However when it's a huge chunk of the current generation, not just a few people, part of the problem is systemic.

We talk a lot about the welfare state. Yes, handouts tend to breed dependency. No rational person will deny that. However I know a pretty good handful of people on one form of public assistance or another and every one of them would gladly 86 public assistance if they could. There are fewer opportunities.

I'm not trying to gloss over the problems with the current generation. There are certainly some areas where they've gone horribly awry. "Gender issues" is one such area and when I see the **** society espouses it scares the hell out of me.

I guess I'm just saying the current generation has a lot going against it the boomers didn't have to deal with and the boomers certainly had their fair share of problems. Punctuation and spaces being high on that list. :)

[mold maker]

Even a blind pig finds an acorn eventually. Don't let such little things as missed punctuation and spaces deter you from hunting for a gem of knowledge.
Perfect English isn't required for our hobby. It's just easier to read.
Oh yes, I'm one of the slower moving generation and darn proud of the lot.

[GhostHawk]

Amen!

I am a lightweight compared to my dad's generation.

In many respects we were lucky. We were taught that there were very few problems that could not be solved with honesty, hard work, and a little dose of respect.

I know at 13 my older brother and I started mowing lawns at 1 dollar an hour.
Dad had a rule, half got banked, He knew we were going to want cars, homes, family's and how hard it can be to get started without some seed money. Being a slow starter by the time I got married in my mid 40's there was enough to pay for a pretty nice house. Ohh what a difference no mortgage makes.

But it was not given to us, we WORKED for it, and saved.

[aspangler]

I started on "public" jobs at 16. Finally retired at 62 because of helth. Never had anything handed to me. " If you want it, work for it."

[TXGunNut]

I'm at the tail end of boomers but I agree 100%. I've seen kids firsthand with babies of their own who can't be bothered to show up for work. I'm only 55 but could probably quit working or work part-time but I generally enjoy what I do and enjoy the toys a paycheck lets me buy. That, and I can't imagine not working. Got hurt several months back and promptly went a little crazy. They let me come back for "light" duty after several days and probably saved what little sanity I had left.

[flyer1]

My folks told me i could have anything i wanted but, i had to go work for it.

[Down South]

In dire need of a SPACE key, otherwise good post.
Copy and paste from another source does that sometimes.

but all in all, I resemble those remarks.

[dilly]

Sometimes I think it's not very productive or mature to brag about how one generation is better than another.

What do you all get out of it?

[MaryB]

I started learning hard work and saving at age 5. I spent summers at my grandparents farm and grandma put me in charge(with supervision and education of course) of the chicken coop that kept 5 families in eggs. I got to ride bike the 5 miles to town with a wagon behind to sell the extra eggs. We had a regular route of people who wanted them. She flat out said we have to save half in case a disease or an animals kills a bunch of hens. 2 years later we lost half of them and we had the money to replace them. As I got older I pitched in on more and more of the farm work, milking, baling hay, we picked corn on the cob and had to shell it in a hand cranked machine for feed...

We moved when I was 10 and were to far away for me to spend summers on the farm but mom and dad started buying wrecked houses and restoring them. So I learned construction early! I was paid minimum wage to swing a hammer doing demolition/reconstruction all summer and I saved most of it. At 16 I had managed to save up $10k which was a LOT for the mid 70's! I invested it with my parents in a nicer house to restore and tripled my money at 17 when it sold. Bought a cheap car, paid for college, had $10k left over to buy a house to restore when I got done!

I have never been afraid of hard work, I never borrowed money, house i am living in now I bought for $500 and $300 in back taxes!. After replacing a few windows and a door and chasing out all the critters I lived in it as I remodeled! Did it as I could afford it after the initial investment in materials that I paid from savings.

[shoot-n-lead]

You and I are Members,Don't Delete, Just Read and Pass it on.

The typical U.S. household headed by a person age 65 or older has a networth 47 times greater than a household headed by someone under 35,according to an analysis of census data releasedMonday.



This is bogus!

Most any typical working 35yr old has at least a $10,000 net worth...not nearly, every typical 65yr old has a $470,000 net worth. I know a couple of hundred 65yr olds and only about 10 of them would have a net worth that approaches that amount.

BOGUS!

[mcdaniel.mac]

This is bogus!

Most any typical working 35yr old has at least a $10,000 net worth...not nearly, every typical 65yr old has a $470,000 net worth. I know a couple of hundred 65yr olds and only about 10 of them would have a net worth that approaches that amount.

BOGUS!
I think it was the great journalist Abe Lincoln who said if his mother said the sky was blue, he'd take note of what she said but go outside to check anyway. It must have been true, I read it on the internet.

Trust, but verify, from as many sources as possible and from as wide a range as possible. If the reports on an incident split neatly along political lines, chances are the truth lies more closely in the middle.

[Hannibal]

Sometimes I think it's not very productive or mature to brag about how one generation is better than another.

What do you all get out of it?

You've been down this same line of thought before. Ask yourself this question in 20 years.

[Frosty Boolit]

So I guess I'm a young patriot then, also I love older people, I'm ready to lend a hand or holdba door for them. Because I realize they have come before and built what we have. It's shameful the way some of these youth are these days but I can guarantee my sons will be raised to respect others. And take their damn hats of when the anthem is played.

[mold maker]

Until you have the wisdom obtained with age, you can't understand what it is, or how we got it.

This country was built with calloused hands and sore backs, not X boxes and video games. Everything the younger take for granted are gifts from older generations.

[mcdaniel.mac]

"I've come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works.
2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things."

From 'The Salmon of Doubt' by Douglas Adams