New Pistol Permit Requirement in NC

[jsizemore]

I'm wondering if other parts of the country have the mental health wavier requirement (the blue highlighted part) to purchase a handgun.

http://www.wakegov.com/sheriff/divisions/Pages/pistolpermits.aspx

[Mike in TX]

States that one must have one before a private transfer. HA HA HA Enforce that one boys.

[bedbugbilly]

I'm not making "light" of the necessity of keeping firearms out of the hands of those with mental illness who might be a threat to others or themselves . . . not a joking matter for sure . . . just wondering why the federal government doesn't stop all this "entitlement" give away ****, make those who don't want to work, work? Then spend some of the money they save from the cutbacks on the entitlement to address the mental illness problems that there are . . .

But I "digress". Just wondering . . . if a "mental health waiver" is going to be required . . . does this not mean that all politicians will be unable to purchase a gun? :-)

I always find it "odd" . . . than whenever there is a "problem" perceived by the politicians and Washington . . . the solution is to pass a "new law" . . . . instead of enforcing those that have already been in place . . . .

[Bonz]

That section wasn't there when I used to buy Handgun Purchase Permits years ago but was definitely on the form for the Conceal Carry Permit a few years ago

[dragon813gt]

You have to get a permit to purchase a handgun?

[Bonz]

You have to get a permit to purchase a handgun?

Yes, in North Carolina

[dragon813gt]

That sure sucks.

[jsizemore]

You have to get a permit to purchase a handgun?

The only way around it is to be LEO or have concealed carry.

[Geezer in NH]

I thought the southern states were 2nd amendment types unlike us Yankees so begrudge by many on here.

Seems they are not

[dragon813gt]

I thought the southern states were 2nd amendment types unlike us Yankees so begrudge by many on here.

Seems they are not

Ssssshhhhhh.......;)

[Love Life]

I thought the southern states were 2nd amendment types unlike us Yankees so begrudge by many on here.

Seems they are not

I've said for years that it was easier for me to buy handguns in California, than it was in North Carolina. North Carolina you have to have a permit, and they expire. You can request up to 5 permits at a time.

[dragon813gt]

Is it one handgun per permit? Is it only for purchasing them? Or is it for possession as well?

[FISH4BUGS]

So here is a question? How many preople were prosecuted for NOT having a permit and possessing a handgun?

[xs11jack]

I thought that the laws protecting your health records are federal laws. I don't think a state can supersede federal law and go rooting around in your medical records.
Ole Jack

[jsizemore]

The permit is for purchasing.

I assume the wavier is the state's way of getting around the federal law.

[runfiverun]

they could just do what Idaho did and make any further federal gun laws null and void in the state.

[TXGunNut]

Soooooo....in NH you can only have five handguns?
As for health records being private you obviously missed out on one of the key provisions of Obamacare. A Doc I was seeing for an occupational injury inquired about some prescription meds that I hadn't disclosed to them. They weren't relevant to the injury (I can't take most pain meds) but by my second visit they seemingly knew quite a bit about my medical history. And yes, I have "private", non-subsidized healthcare coverage.

[too many things]

what you all don't see is that ALL mental/ medical records are going to become {records} That will stop about 80 % of veterans from passing back ground checks. as most are using the VA to get extra benefits from them
in the past medical info was sealed , but not with the gov/va any more . It may not be in the system every place but it wont be long before his exc actions will put it in there
You vets-- when you go to the va they ask 4 questions and any one wrong answer will put you on the list. Don't remember the order-- but its like Have you thought about suicide ?, have you ever thought about harming someone , have you thought about getting a gun, do you dis like anyone here. . so don't say yes

[Bad Water Bill]

Wonder what happens if you move to N C and bring your own firearms with you?

[jsizemore]

Bring all the guns you want.

Your limited to getting 5 pistol purchase permits at a time. You can own as many as you want. Each permit is good for buying 1 gun.

[Omega]

what you all don't see is that ALL mental/ medical records are going to become {records} That will stop about 80 % of veterans from passing back ground checks. as most are using the VA to get extra benefits from them
in the past medical info was sealed , but not with the gov/va any more . It may not be in the system every place but it wont be long before his exc actions will put it in there
You vets-- when you go to the va they ask 4 questions and any one wrong answer will put you on the list. Don't remember the order-- but its like Have you thought about suicide ?, have you ever thought about harming someone , have you thought about getting a gun, do you dis like anyone here. . so don't say yesThose are not the only questions (4), they start very innocent sounding. Like have you ever had been injured; yes, have you lost conciseness; yes, then they segue into the rest; ever felt like hurting yourself; No, Others; No...next thing I know I have an appointment at the traumatic brain injury clinic. Luckily, I think, they quickly determined I didn't have one. But that is how some vets may get themselves put on the "list" without being a real danger to the public, but try getting off that list.

While I think there are some very deranged individuals who should never have weapons, some vets included, there has to be much more than a few questions to get you reported to the NICS. There has to be an actual determination of mental problems, medication, violent (not on battle field) conduct etc.

[RogerDat]

Michigan has much the same requirement. The permit has several parts that detach like a card. Each party signs the ones available at that point in the transaction and keeps one for their records. Sheriff has one turned in at the end when they sign the one the owner keeps, this will be have been signed by both seller and buyer, seller keeps one signed by the buyer, and signs the two for the buyer and the sheriff.

Buyer actually has two cards, if they sell they would give one to the new owner and get the new owner to sign one they keep as proof they sold the gun. All firearms must be taken after purchase for a "safety" inspection by the sheriff who confirms the card info matches the firearm.

Having a carry permit is a shortcut, then you don't have to have the set of cards before purchase, you just sign off for the seller and take it into the sheriff for safety inspection and to get paperwork after the sale.

Holy paper trail batman! It is one of the reasons I laugh when they talk about gun show loophole. At least for handguns it becomes illegal if not taken to the sheriff for inspection by the purchaser. Most sellers will want proof of sale by getting sellers signature. Just in case the gun ever turns up in a crime or gets confiscated.

[FISH4BUGS]

Soooooo....in NH you can only have five handguns?


Not at all. Here in NH we can have as many as we want. i think he was referring to NC. Here in NH our State motto is "Live free or Die".....and we try to live as free as we can.

[missionary5155]

Good morning
Psychologists for years have been pushing their work as the solution for all social problems. Little by little governments have believed in this wonderful solution. Now the quick fix for all issues is to send the "offender" to a specially trained high priced expert to begin the analysis. So why not get a pre inspection ?
The UN has had a pre Psychologist exam in the "rules" for years. Drivers exams, school, gun permits.... all require a mental release. Guess who was and is a huge contributor to the "socialist political leaders" of the world ? Ya learn a lot by being a resident in a UN approved country. In Peru you will have a psyco exam for any legal action or requirement devised by the government. As the old saying goes just follow the money trail.. who is getting rich and who needs those riches to buy votes ?
After all health insurance is 5x the actual cost so we can all enjoy our crumbling health system. But someone is getting very rich and supplying the funds so certain politicals stay in power. Now the Psyco docs are up to bat.
Mike in Peru

[SteveS]

When the NRA and others started emphasizing that the mass shootings and gun violence in general isn't a gun problem but a mental health issue, I felt like they were opening a can of worms we would have been better off not to.

Today it's court records. Tomorrow it'll be medical records.

Mental health evaluations to buy a gun are going to come quickly, followed by mental health evaluations to possess one.

Weigh whatever you say to your doctor with that in mind.

[10-x]

IIRC, you have to have a purchase permit in N.C. just to look at, handle a pistol or revolver in a gunshop? Can't figure that one? What if you wanted to have the weapon transfered to a FFL in your state? You can't even check it out.

[Geezer in NH]

Soooooo....in NH you can only have five handguns?
.Wrong!! NH as many as you can afford. The subject was NC

[geezer56]

In NC you can handle any gun in a shop as long as you are old enough to buy said gun. You can buy 5 permits to purchase a handgun at a time. They are good for 5 years if I remember correctly. Or you can get a CCW and buy all you want. Or can afford. It takes me about 3 minutes to puchase a handgun at any FFL in the state.

[Walkingwolf]

PPP was originally a Jim Crow law that we have not been able to get rid of. We have the right in NC to bear arms(Kerner V State) but we do not have the right buy them without approval by a government agency making it a privilege.

But unless things change it is just an exchange for one privilege over another. Without one, or a CHP the buyer would still be subject to the instant background check. For five bucks the buyer can walk in, and walk out without having to worry about getting delayed. Something that has happened to many of us at one time or another, and is very aggravating.

Hopefully in the future we get rid of it, but only saves us five bucks, and we still have to wonder if we will get delayed, or the background check network will go down when we are trying to buy a gun. With the permit even if the system is down we can still go ahead, not only handguns but long guns as well. That may be the reason why many people are not hot to get rid of it.

Most people I meet who are angry over the system are people who profit from P4P. The lack of a BC at time of purchase has been a selling point for permits even to people who do not carry.

[Love Life]

I was angry about it because it is a stupid process that costs money and draws out the time for me to buy a handgun. Years back I wrote to the great reverends how the law is rayciss, but got no response.

[mold maker]

Permits in NC are just a minor nuisance. If qualified, you just fill out the request, pay the 5 bucks (ea) for the BC and fingerprint. In about a week the process is finished and you pick up the permits. They are good for 5 years, or till there is a new sheriff.
While not instant gratification, there is no reason to wait til the last minute to get them.
Having a CCW permit eliminates the wait for BC and permit because its part of the original CCW process. Like the BSA, Be Prepared. It's like paying the electric bill BEFORE they cut it off.

[Walkingwolf]

I was angry about it because it is a stupid process that costs money and draws out the time for me to buy a handgun. Years back I wrote to the great reverends how the law is rayciss, but got no response.

When I was younger I would go to Charlotte and Raleigh for guns shows, and it was expletive annoying to get delayed away from home for long guns. I have to admit I liked getting my PPP in advance so I could just hand it to them, and not have to sit around for hours, or have to come back the next day. For long guns I only needed one because you did not give it up for the transfer. I usually had 5 with me to be prepared in case a I saw a handgun I wanted.

The database is better than it was, but it still goes down sometimes. Between an instant background check, and the PPP, I prefer the PPP. The other option is the CHP, which many people get to buy guns without the BC even though they do not carry. Getting a CHP is not cheap when the time considered is factored in with the fees, and the cost of the class. The law was racist, but it now applies to everybody, except government agents the same. I would prefer to see it go, along with background checks.

[Love Life]

No, it's a hassle left over from olden times when we didn't want dem' dar' freed blacks buying guns and robbing white women.

It was even more of a hassle to me because I had to get the CO's blessing before I could submit the permit because I'm military. I liked North Carolina for the most part, but the permit to purchase a pistol is stupid.

[Walkingwolf]

No, it's a hassle left over from olden times when we didn't want dem' dar' freed blacks buying guns and robbing white women.

It was even more of a hassle to me because I had to get the CO's blessing before I could submit the permit because I'm military. I liked North Carolina for the most part, but the permit to purchase a pistol is stupid.

So is the instant background check, welcome to Utopia...

Maybe you would prefer a FOID card, or New Jersey, or New York process.

[Love Life]

I agree. Sho' does make the nanny state lovers happy though.

[dragon813gt]

Permits in NC are just a minor nuisance.

In reality they are a roadblock and financial burden in the way of you exercising your second amendment right. Did I hear fingerprints and law enforcement approval mentioned as well? If you've only ever lived in NC I can see how you deal w/ them. But looking at it from the outside it's a very big deal IMO. I would be working on having this provision removed.

[Love Life]

Yes. Thumb print, background check (which I had to pay for IIRC) then the cost of the permit. If you're military then you have to have a letter from your CO to the Sheriff giving you permission to request a permit and it (letter from CO) has to get stamped by military police showing you have no military legal issues brewing.

Total PIA and double triple stupid.

[Walkingwolf]

Yes. Thumb print, background check (which I had to pay for IIRC) then the cost of the permit. If you're military then you have to have a letter from your CO to the Sheriff giving you permission to request a permit and it (letter from CO) has to get stamped by military police showing you have no military legal issues brewing.

Total PIA and double triple stupid.
I never had to get fingerprinted. The forms I filled out mentioned nothing about CO approval. Which county was this in?

[jsizemore]

You can only apply for a pistol permit in your home county. Pistol purchase permits are issued by the county sheriff. In NC there are conservative Democrats (old school) and liberal democrats (from up north). Some of the more reactionary sheriffs (liberal) had a rather pronounced delay in issuing PPP or CCW. Most PPP's are single page and are retained by the FFL in their records.

I did start the CCW class but dropped out when the instructor said that if dealing with LEO I had to tell them I had a concealed gun and if they wanted it, I had to give it up. Without the CCW, they have to have a reason to search and I don't have to give them anything (I talked this over with a couple state Supreme Court justices and a federal circuit court judge. If I go before them I feel pretty secure.)

The reason I brought this up is our state legislature and governor are REPUBLICANS that made this law. If we're getting it, you'll get it too. I'm hesitant to sign the wavier because it's available to anybody that can access their computer files. By the way, our state department of insurance is run by the insurance industry. It's enough to make anybody paranoid.

[Love Life]

I never had to get fingerprinted. The forms I filled out mentioned nothing about CO approval. Which county was this in?

Onslow. Permit to purchase application required a thumb print (taken at the sheriffs office). The application also required CO's permission if military, and affidavits from 3 people saying I was worthy of purchasing a handgun. Booooooooooo.

[Love Life]

So is the instant background check, welcome to Utopia...

Maybe you would prefer a FOID card, or New Jersey, or New York process.

Ummm...no. California had a 10 day wait, but no card needed and I didn't have to waste my time getting permission from the CO, and then waiting on the Sheriff. As I said, much easier to buy a gun in California than in NC, but the DOJ list sucks.

Down here in Georgia I just diddy bop on in, pays my money, get my NICS (Well, not anymore ever since I got my weapons license), and diddy bob on out with my handgun of choice in about 15-20 minutes. Same when I lived in Alabama.

In defense of North Carolina, I definitely spent more time on the water fishing then I did at the range so I had something to do while waiting for the sheriffs blessing.

[Walkingwolf]

Ummm...no. California had a 10 day wait, but no card needed and I didn't have to waste my time getting permission from the CO, and then waiting on the Sheriff. As I said, much easier to buy a gun in California than in NC, but the DOJ list sucks.

Down here in Georgia I just diddy bop on in, pays my money, get my NICS, and diddy bob on out with my handgun of choice in about 15-20 minutes. Same when I lived in Alabama.

In defense of North Carolina, I definitely spent more time on the water fishing then I did at the range so I had something to do while waiting for the sheriffs blessing.

What county in NC? What state are you from?

https://hcso.permitium.com/

https://cumberlandso.permitium.com/

The requirements are listed on the website. Nothing about getting CO permission, that is news to me, that statutes do not support.

The sheriff must follow state statutes, nothing stops him from contacting your CO, but the CO does not have to sign off on getting a permit.

[Love Life]

It was Onlsow county. You're more than welcome to call the sheriffs office and verify. That's how it was for the 6 years I lived there up until 2010.

[Walkingwolf]

It was Onlsow county. You're more than welcome to call the sheriffs office and verify. That's how it was for the 6 years I lived there up until 2010.

https://onslowso.permitium.com/

[Walkingwolf]

Ummm...no. California had a 10 day wait, but no card needed and I didn't have to waste my time getting permission from the CO, and then waiting on the Sheriff. As I said, much easier to buy a gun in California than in NC, but the DOJ list sucks.

Down here in Georgia I just diddy bop on in, pays my money, get my NICS (Well, not anymore ever since I got my weapons license), and diddy bob on out with my handgun of choice in about 15-20 minutes. Same when I lived in Alabama.

In defense of North Carolina, I definitely spent more time on the water fishing then I did at the range so I had something to do while waiting for the sheriffs blessing.

I get my handgun immediately after paying and filling out the 4473. Much less than 15 to 20 minutes. AND I can strap that handgun on and where it out of the LGS. Can you do that in Kalifornia?

[Love Life]

https://onslowso.permitium.com/

Well hot diggity daggum looks like things have changed. Seems now all you need to do is provide PCS orders or a Command letter stating your address and that you've met the 30 day residency requirement. Progress!!

[Love Life]

I get my handgun immediately after paying and filling out the 4473. Much less than 15 to 20 minutes.

Is this with your permit already in hand or do you have a CCW? In Georgia, with my weapons card there is no NICS and the time to buy the gun actually takes less than 20 since you want to get into the brass tacks of which state is better.

Now, if I did not have a CCW, then it would take the time required to get the NICS, fill out the 4473, and pay. You still don't need a permit and can walk out with your gun same day without waiting for the sheriffs blessing.

[Walkingwolf]

https://onslowso.permitium.com/

Well hot diggity daggum looks like things have changed. Seems now all you need to do is provide PCS orders or a Command letter stating your address and that you've met the 30 day residency requirement. Progress!!
As far as I know things have never changed, in fact it was easier to get the permits within about 3 days. I used to be able to call the Sheriff's office and pick up my permits in a couple of days. Sounds like when the sheriff contacted your CO for reference your CO screwed you. I shot with several marines from Jacksonville, and they did not go through what you say.

I repeat CO approval has never been in the NC statutes, in fact there were exceptions for military members. I believe there still is, the CO can authorize a soldier to conceal carry in NC without a permit.

[Walkingwolf]

Is this with your permit already in hand or do you have a CCW? In Georgia, with my weapons card there is no NICS and the time to buy the gun actually takes less than 20 since you want to get into the brass tacks of which state is better.

Now, if I did not have a CCW, then it would take the time required to get the NICS, fill out the 4473, and pay. You still don't need a permit and can walk out with your gun same day without waiting for the sheriffs blessing.

I need no CHP to walk in, and walk out with a firearm. Getting permits after the first ones was just a phone call to the Lt in charge, now a person files at home. Once the mental waiver is signed it is on the record. Even with getting the permits the time is still less than Kalifornia, and just as easy as Georgia, considering you must get a CCW, on in NC the same with a CHP.

And BTW the state has nothing to do with accepting a CCW, that is completely federal, the feds decide which states the permits are acceptable, not the states.

[Love Life]

No, my CO didn't screw me. It was a standard naval correspondence format letter from the CO. It had why you wanted to purchase, where you planned to store the guns, and number of permits you were requesting. Once CO signed it, you took it to PMO to have the Provost Marshall's stamp applied proving you weren't pending any military legal action.

Yes, the requirement was in place to get a letter from the CO from at least 2004-2010. Upon turning in all your info to the nice lady at the sheriffs office, you had to put your thumb on a pink sticky pad thing and put your thumbprint on the application.


It's very possible that has all changed in the last 6 years since I left Lejeune, but since I'm sitting on Camp Johnson right now for a school, I reckon I'll go see the Sheriff's office this week and see what their current requirement is.

[Walkingwolf]

No, my CO didn't screw me. It was a standard naval correspondence format letter from the CO. It had why you wanted to purchase, where you planned to store the guns, and number of permits you were requesting. Once CO signed it, you took it to PMO to have the Provost Marshall's stamp applied proving you weren't pending any military legal action.

Yes, the requirement was in place to get a letter from the CO from at least 2004-2010. Upon turning in all your info to the nice lady at the sheriffs office, you had to put your thumb on a pink sticky pad thing and put your thumbprint on the application.


It's very possible that has all changed in the last 6 years since I left Lejeune, but since I'm sitting on Camp Johnson right now for a school, I reckon I'll go see the Sheriff's office this week and see what their current requirement is.

Cite the state law? There is none, if a requirement was there IT WAS by your CO. That is not the fault of NC. It seems the base had an agreement with the sheriff outside NC law, that is still on your commander.

Let me ask, I have been digging it seems that to carry you must beg permission in Georgia, is that right. You have to have a permit to even open carry?

Were you allowed to open carry a loaded handgun in Kalifornia?

[Love Life]

It came from the sheriff's office. It was for Onslow county and was not at the behest of my lowly Company Commander (Capt) or the constellations that run the base.

As I said, I'll go talk to the Sheriff's office this week and see what's changed. You don't have to believe me, but I'm sure there are quite a few devil dogs from that era who can corroborate what I have stated.


At the end of it all...shrug.

ETA: I actually have the form letter required saved on my computer. It is 85 KB and to large to attach. I can email to you for a bit of Onslow county history. Give me time, and I'll find one of the old paper applications with the requirement as well.

ETA again: Here is the link to the old required letter: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj2nPyH0p3KAhVIWj4KHSq4Aw4QFgglMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lejeune.marines.mil%2FPortals %2F27%2FCONCEALED%2520PERMIT%2520LETTER%2520SAMPLE .doc&usg=AFQjCNEdxyymEiEZC39IfPpEgOHlVtwuQw&sig2=nlMyL33KwUejwiC5oGndyQ

[dragon813gt]

And here I am just plopping my money down, filling out the paperwork, NICS check and away I go w/ a brand new firearm. Sure I have to go through a NICS, actually PICS because the State Troopers do it, check every time. But I seem to be on speed dial because clearance is usually w/in a minute. I feel for you guys that have a bunch of extra steps involved.

[Love Life]

Here is a thread from Carolina Shooters Club started on Jan 9th 2015 which also corroborates what I stated concerning requirement for CO's approval coming from the Sheriff. I'm going to keep digging, and it's impolite to imply a man is lying when you could just call me a liar outright

http://www.carolinashootersclub.com/threads/fellow-marines-looking-to-purchase-a-handgun.187105/

[Love Life]

And here I am just plopping my money down, filling out the paperwork, NICS check and away I go w/ a brand new firearm. Sure I have to go through a NICS, actually PICS because the State Troopers do it, check every time. But I seem to be on speed dial because clearance is usually w/in a minute. I feel for you guys that have a bunch of extra steps involved.

NICS not required with Georgia weapons carry license.

[Walkingwolf]

2. North Carolina Requirements
A county sheriff is only authorized under N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-402 to issue a
permit to receive or purchase a handgun when an application is submitted by a person
who is a resident of his/her particular county. The sole exception is that the sheriff may
issue a permit to a non-resident when the purpose of the permit is for collecting. Prior
to issuing a permit, the sheriff must fully satisfy him/herself by affidavits, oral
evidence, or otherwise, that the applicant is of good moral character and that the
person, firm, or corporation wants to possess the weapon for one of the following
purposes:
a.
The protection of the applicant's home, business, person, family, or
property;
b.
Target shooting;
c.
Collecting; or
d.
Hunting.
For purposes of determining an applicant's good moral character, the sheriff can only
consider the applicant's conduct and criminal history for the five year period prior to the date of
the application.
Additionally, the sheriff must verify by a criminal history background investigation that it is
not a violation of State or federal law for the applicant to purchase, transfer, receive, or possess a
handgun. The sheriff shall determine the criminal history of any applicant by accessing
computerized criminal history records as maintained by the State and Federal Bureaus of
Investigation, by conducting a national criminal history records check, and by conducting a
criminal history check through the Administrative Office of the Courts. N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-
404.

While the sheriff can contact a CO, it is not in the law, the law is specific. This eliminates any attempt to deny a permit for race, sex, or other protected state, and federal classes of people.

OTH your base commander as your superior can order a soldier to do things his way as long as it does not violate the law. In this case I believe what you say does. As far as mental, or if you are under investigation the commander can influence your getting a permit. In that case it would be no different than a mental health waiver.

It is still on YOUR base commander.

[oldblinddog]

In 1977 I lived in a 4 unit building in an apartment complex in Jacksonville, NC. The girl across the hall was threatened by her ex, so a detective comes around to interview me to see if I saw anything suspicious. I hadn't so didn't have much to offer. Anyhow, he asks if I had a gun. I said no. He asks if I want one and offers to smooth everything out with the purchase permit. I didn't really feel the need.

I think the CO's permission is only required if you reside on base, in which case they will "hold" it for you in the armory when you aren't shooting it at the range. It would never have even occurred to me to ask permission of the CO if I had felt the need. Besides, I had my S&W M&P .38. I felt safe enough.

[dragon813gt]

NICS not required with Georgia weapons carry license.

Yeah, I'm aware other states have that provision. Apparently they are extremely slow to revoke a CCW license here so they require NICS every time. Have to take the good w/ the bad.

[Bad Water Bill]

And BTW the state has nothing to do with accepting a CCW, that is completely federal, the feds decide which states the permits are acceptable, not the states.

Please show me when congress passed the national reciprocity law?

Our Crook county politicians do not want to recognize any other states CCW PERIOD.

WE NEED 2 EIGHT HOUR CLASSES AT ABOUT $200.00 EACH + an ELECTRONIC fingerprint (another $75.00) then a trip to a range proving how well YOU can shoot then you can send a fist full more and HOPE the STATE POLICE smile on you and eventually send your license.

By the way your county sheriff may say NO ONE in the county should have a CCW and the fight is on again.

Yes I have been in our fight for many years how about you?.

[Love Life]

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[Hickory]

The only restrictions on buying a gun in Ohio is money, you need money.

[Walkingwolf]

Please show me when congress passed the national reciprocity law?

Our Crook county politicians do not want to recognize any other states CCW PERIOD.

WE NEED 2 EIGHT HOUR CLASSES AT ABOUT $200.00 EACH + an ELECTRONIC fingerprint (another $75.00) then a trip to a range proving how well YOU can shoot then you can send a fist full more and HOPE the STATE POLICE smile on you and eventually send your license.

By the way your county sheriff may say NO ONE in the county should have a CCW and the fight is on again.

Yes I have been in our fight for many years how about you?.


It is the opinion of the United States Department of Justice that a valid North Carolina
Concealed Handgun Permit may be used as an alternative to a NICS check for the purchase of
firearms. Again, multiple long guns may be purchased if they are purchased in a single
transaction.

http://www.ncdoj.gov/getdoc/32344299-a2a7-4ae5-99fd-9018262f64ac/NC-Firearms-gun-Laws.aspx

The Brady law is a federal law, only the feds can decide what is acceptable in place of a NICS check.

NC is, and has always been a shall issue state for a CHP since concealed carry was made legal, about 20 years. Before that OC was legal without a permit for about 80 years protected by a state supreme court decision. Kerner V State

[Walkingwolf]

The only restrictions on buying a gun in Ohio is money, you need money.

The way it should be nationally, no checks, no hassles, no 4473. Those things do not work, and waste my tax dollars. What does work is keeping violent offenders in prison, instead of releasing them early.

[dragon813gt]

The way it should be nationally, no checks, no hassles, no 4473. Those things do not work, and waste my tax dollars. What does work is keeping violent offenders in prison, instead of releasing them early.

Hickory still has a 4473 and NICS if he's buying from a dealer. I don't know OH's law for FTF transactions but I imagine neither of them are required.

I'm just ignoring the federal CCW claims :facepalm:

[Bad Water Bill]

That picture looks like my late friend OTIS MC DONALD before he took the city of Chicago all the way to SCOTUS and won the right to OWN a handgun within city limits.

Even then he still had to jump thru many hurdles before he finally owned a handgun in a not so nice area of Chiraq.

Another friend Rhonda Ezell is taking Chiraq to court because Chiraq will NOT allow any ranges within the city limits.

This makes it very hard for the low income folks to travel many miles to qualify for their CCW license.

I can go on and on as to how hard it still is to obtain a CCW here but I still attend 3-4 meetings per month and then am a marshal at our IGOLD march on the state capitol protesting against our rediculous laws.

Most of you folks do not know how fortunate you really are.

[Love Life]

Lol Bad Water Bill. Were there ever any registration and confiscation schemes for spears and slings back in your day?

[Bad Water Bill]

First off you had to serve a long apprenticeship on knapping spear and arrer points.

Then you had to learn how to selekt tha proper woodz fer both dedly wepunz.

Then many many months uv praktis like ur life depended on ur perfishincy kuz it rely did.

Now think back on the many hourz I spent techen you da proper berd fethers ta uze an how ta stik dem ta the arrer shaft.

How quickly U youngns fergit.:bigsmyl2:








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[jsizemore]

In Love Life's defense, there have been county sheriffs that have instituted rules at their discretion to slow the process of getting permits. Folks have had to file in court to get the ball rolling on their permits. We now have certain sheriffs that don't see the need of a private citizen owning a silencer. No "official" stance on the subject, just nobody owns one.

[762 shooter]

In Love Life's defense, there have been county sheriffs that have instituted rules at their discretion to slow the process of getting permits. Folks have had to file in court to get the ball rolling on their permits. We now have certain sheriffs that don't see the need of a private citizen owning a silencer. No "official" stance on the subject, just nobody owns one.

You do know that 180 days from when ATF's 41P is published in the Federal Register your sheriff has no say in whether you can own a silencer. Yea Obama. The best firearm, Short barreled rifle, suppressor, sawed off shotgun salesman of the last decade.

762

[Bad Water Bill]

You do know that 180 days from when ATF's 41P is published in the Federal Register your sheriff has no say in whether you can own a silencer. Yea Obama. The best firearm, Short barreled rifle, suppressor, sawed off shotgun salesman of the last decade.762

Add to that the many THOUSANDS of new and life members added to the NRA membership list.

Last time I checked their phones were full and there was a 1/2 HOUR wait just to have the NRA operator answer your call.

CONGRATULATIONS B H O the NRA and I appreciate your help.

[funnyjim014]

Wow reading all of this makes me giggle.Heres how it works in Upstate NY.
1-Take pistol 6hr couse, 40 bucks
2-drive to pistol permit office and get aplication.
3-get 4 cards of fingerprints done by local police-40$, 2 passport pics 15$
4-turn in fingerprints, application and 4 references for your town - 160$.
5-Wate 14Months, most get one as long as you pass the NICS, background check, no criminal record (including dwi), and then have 90 days to get pistol.
6- BUY pistol
7- drive downtown to office, have pistol put on permit and get purchase coupon 7$
8- finaly get pistol from dealer

[Fishman]

Wow reading all of this makes me giggle.Heres how it works in Upstate NY.
1-Take pistol 6hr couse, 40 bucks
2-drive to pistol permit office and get aplication.
3-get 4 cards of fingerprints done by local police-40$, 2 passport pics 15$
4-turn in fingerprints, application and 4 references for your town - 160$.
5-Wate 14Months, most get one as long as you pass the NICS, background check, no criminal record (including dwi), and then have 90 days to get pistol.
6- BUY pistol
7- drive downtown to office, have pistol put on permit and get purchase coupon 7$
8- finaly get pistol from dealer

That is just to OWN a pistol?!

I would move rather than tolerate that. I'm serious.

[jonp]

That section wasn't there when I used to buy Handgun Purchase Permits years ago but was definitely on the form for the Conceal Carry Permit a few years ago

It sure was in Vance County. Had to send off and wait till records check we were not under treatment etc..

[jonp]

Wonder what happens if you move to N C and bring your own firearms with you?

Nothing. We brought ours from VT with us. The permits are for purchasing through an FFL not ownership

[MtGun44]

Pay money, get fingerprinted and wait a week to buy a handgun in NC? Wait 14 months
in NY, get fingerprinted and photographed many times and pay several hundred dollars???
Incredible, what a bunch of fascists you have in charge.

Wow, that's not freedom, that's not "shall not be infringed". MO had some sort of
a pistol permit, and that is why I didn't buy a house in MO, here in the KC area, you can
easily choose one or the other side of the state line. Now MO has gotten rid of the purchase
permit entirely.

In KS, if private sale, not different than buying a lawnmower or hammer. If FFL, just
exactly the same as far as the state is concerned, but you will need the Fed NICS check
and 4473, altho CCW eliminates NICS, although at least one hard headed gun shop
will not use CCW instead of NICS, "just because".

I can buy any private sale handgun I want in 1 minute for the price of the gun, and for
a gun from an FFL about 10-15 minutes for the price of the gun plus state & local
sales tax, a touch under 10%. Anyone over 21 who can legally own a handgun can
carry it concealed or open, either without a permit, although permits are available for use
in other states.

I'm with fishman on moving. Of course, I haven't had much fun when I visited NY
most of the time. Folks come off pretty unfriendly in general, pretty much in the whole NE
USA in my experience. Folks seem to be wound a bit too tight all the time.

[Moonie]

We have tried several times to get rid of the antiquated PPP system. The NC Sheriffs association always does everything they can to get it killed and so far they have been successful.

[MtGun44]

In KS Sheriffs are elected. If they are in NC, you need to get some new
candidates or work up a group to oppose the pukes that are opposed to
your 2nd Amendment rights.

[jonp]

We have tried several times to get rid of the antiquated PPP system. The NC Sheriffs association always does everything they can to get it killed and so far they have been successful.

One of my biggest beef's with the NC State Government is not taking away Sheriff's power in this. They should have no individual say in it. Much like the local jurisdictions banning firearms in green spaces then defining green spaces as every blade of grass to stop all carry which was put out of existence by the State Government this one should also be sent down the road.

[mold maker]

Sheriff's Dept is only the administrator, not judge and jury. Someone has to accept the responsibility of vetting prospective handgun buyers. It could be health care professionals or private citizens, but the Sheriff has ready access to records.

[jsizemore]

The unfortunate side of this is we largely have the most gun friendly candidates in as sheriffs. Their sheriffs association lobbied the legislature to keep PPP under their control when a change to the law was introduced a few years ago. I'm guessing that the admin of PPP is a cash cow for their budget and they'll fight like hell before they give it up.

[jsizemore]

Sheriff's Dept is only the administrator, not judge and jury. Someone has to accept the responsibility of vetting prospective handgun buyers. It could be health care professionals or private citizens, but the Sheriff has ready access to records.

Doesn't the NICS check have an up to date record of your criminal activity? The PPP system has a lag between receiving and using the permit of up to 5 years. What good is that? If you've had a mental health episode with the public then it should be public record and NICS should cover that.

[jsizemore]

Sheriff's Dept is only the administrator, not judge and jury. Someone has to accept the responsibility of vetting prospective handgun buyers. It could be health care professionals or private citizens, but the Sheriff has ready access to records.

If this is important then why doesn't it apply to long guns?

[Love Life]

The PPP is racist.

[jonp]

Sheriff's Dept is only the administrator, not judge and jury. Someone has to accept the responsibility of vetting prospective handgun buyers. It could be health care professionals or private citizens, but the Sheriff has ready access to records.

Why? If you pass the federal background check the local sheriff should have nothing to say on it. Nothing

[jsizemore]

One of the old wisdom's of this area is " We're going to do something even if it's wrong!" Sound familiar?

[dragon813gt]

The PPP is racist.

Uh oh, you spelled it correctly. Now this thread is serious :laugh: