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tacotime
12-27-2015, 10:36 PM
Just wondering if 44 SPL with cast bullets shot in 44 Mag guns are prone to leading due to the extra gap between the bullets and chamber throats?

Seems like that space with a wide diameter would give leading a good place to begin.

10mmShooter
12-27-2015, 10:51 PM
No.....38 spec and .357 same no

runfiverun
12-28-2015, 01:40 AM
I shoot specials in my 445 super mag without issues.

shoot-n-lead
12-28-2015, 01:47 AM
I have never had a problem.

mac266
12-28-2015, 02:28 AM
What they said. Just like the .38 Special in a .357 Magnum gun, though, a .44 Special in a .44 Magnum gun is prone to a fouling ring. This is just powder fouling, not leading, and it can be cleaned out with normal cleaning methods.

44man
12-28-2015, 09:23 AM
No, most gunk will be powder and lube.

Blackwater
12-28-2015, 12:16 PM
Well, I guess I'm the lone dissenter here, but long ago, I was issued 1,000 rds. of the cruddiest .38 WC's you'll ever find. I think they were lubed with cow chips! They would lead the chambers of my .357's ahead of the shorter .38 cases like you wouldn't believe. The guys above shoot GOOD loads, though, and they should give you no problem. It's really in the quality of the loads you're shooting. Good loads won't give you a problem, but it's still a good idea even then, to clean the cylinders well after shooting .38's in many .357's. You may NEED it one day, and that's no time to find out that the chambers are gunked up! But I'm a bit fastidious about things like this, and some take it more casually, but I still like to KNOW that my guns will function every time, all the time, with no alibis. I've fired probably 100,000 .38's in .357's, and never had a problem, even with the cruddy stuff, as long as I cleaned it well. That cruddy ammo got me to buy a Lewis Lead Remover, which was my saving grace with that ammo. I think Lyman makes it now. Great for cleaning the cylinders and barrels! FWIW?

Thumbcocker
12-28-2015, 01:14 PM
In most of my .44's there is a slight loss in accuracy shooting special level loads in special brass as opposed to magnum brass. YMMV.

Ed_Shot
12-28-2015, 02:14 PM
I have no problems with 44 Spl's or 38 Spl's.

too many things
12-28-2015, 02:31 PM
well you wont have a leading problem. BUT you will have a powder build. you need to clean the cylinder before you go back to the mags. same as 357/38. same in using 40 cal in a 10 mm

fredj338
12-28-2015, 03:05 PM
Not leading but you may get carbon deposits & pitting in the cyl throat, depends on powder used & how often you clean. I really so little value in using special brass in a magnum cyl. Just reload your mag brass with special loads.

44man
12-28-2015, 03:24 PM
In most of my .44's there is a slight loss in accuracy shooting special level loads in special brass as opposed to magnum brass. YMMV.
I found that myself. Best to use the right brass.
There is the boolit like pure lead .38's with some crud for lube. I don't go to stupid.

dondiego
12-28-2015, 03:33 PM
I am having a real problem with shooting .44 Spl. in my .357 cylinders. Seem to be real tight and do leave a crud ring even before I shoot!

Orchard6
12-28-2015, 03:54 PM
I am having a real problem with shooting .44 Spl. in my .357 cylinders. Seem to be real tight and do leave a crud ring even before I shoot!

Maybe try shooting 38 spl in your 44 mag! They load like butter! Sometimes they even fall right out the front of the cylinder!��

Petro58
12-28-2015, 11:23 PM
Seeing as My Hands just can't handle the 44mag loads I shoot a lot of 44 Spl out of my 2 44's. I've shot reduced 44mag loads also. But mostly I just stay with 44spl. Now using Powder Coated bullets even cleaner than before. Shooting mostly Steels at 10, 25, and 50 yrd.

bangerjim
12-29-2015, 01:15 AM
Shoot away! The gap is not of any concern. Same as 38/357.

I do it all the time with NO leading (PC'd boolits, of course!)

I have not been able to get 44SPL's to chamber in my 357MAG's! HA......ha!

And always clean your guns after ever shoot. I do. With PC it takes 1 to 2 patches...that is all!

bangerjim

mac266
12-29-2015, 07:13 AM
I am having a real problem with shooting .44 Spl. in my .357 cylinders. Seem to be real tight and do leave a crud ring even before I shoot!

Force them in with a hammer.

unique
12-29-2015, 01:07 PM
Force them in with a hammer.

No, it would be better to run them thru 357 sizing die w/o the decapping pin. Less chance of something going wrong.

Victor N TN
12-30-2015, 04:49 PM
They still make Lewis Lead Removers. I got mine in 1984,,,?

nicodiesel
01-02-2016, 03:57 AM
i shoot them out of my marlin 1894 and no leading issues

Farmer&shooter
01-02-2016, 04:08 AM
Unless the bullet is so soft that that load would lead in a Magnum case, should be no problem. I have fired thousands of them.

Rustyleee
01-02-2016, 06:56 AM
Never been a problem for me.

Forrest r
01-02-2016, 07:44 AM
Don't be afraid to move the bullet out/seat it out further. I do this with every bullet I load for the revolvers.

Testing 220gr hbwc's in a 44spl. Tested lube in 1 lube groove, both lube grooves, tumble lube, seated flush, seated in top lube groove, seated in bottom lube groove.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/44hbwc624.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/44hbwc624.jpg.html)

Moving the bullet sets it further into the taper of the cylinders increasing accuracy.

Some 38spl's loaded for a 357, the mihec is crimped in the bottom crimp groove and the h&g #50 in the middle lube groove.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/close640amp50bb_zpskzsal7mj.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/close640amp50bb_zpskzsal7mj.jpg.html)

Made those 38spl's pictured above for a 357, wanted something to shoot shotgun shells (setup on a bowling pin table) @ 50ft. While they look funny, they work.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/keepers_zpsrmfa629l.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/keepers_zpsrmfa629l.jpg.html)

As jim already stated, pc,d bullets are extremely clean. Those same bullets pictured above, shot 200 of the in a range session. The front of the cylinders get dirty along with the face of the cylinder. The chambers start to get a carbon ring built up in them, but at that round count it doesn't affect bullet seating or accuracy.

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/686_zpseezfnjnz.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/686_zpseezfnjnz.jpg.html)

Anyway, just something to think about. If your worried about the difference in the oal of a 44spl vs 44mag, then move the 44spl's bullet out.

Butzbach
01-03-2016, 10:56 AM
Just a data point but 240 gr SWC 44 Specials did not lead out of a 4" M-29 Smith but I was using straight Linotype over Unique! :bigsmyl2: