.35 Thumper in Marlin 336

[William Yanda]

Anybody got real world experience with NOE's 300 grain "thumper" in a 35 Remington Marlin? How much will 1/16 twist detract from accuracy at speeds under 2000 fps? Theory says a faster twist is needed for such a heavy boolit, nein? I would like to know before I dump the cash on a new mold.
Regards
Bill

[Blackwater]

Since you haven't had a response yet, I'll weigh in on the basis of the results I have had with my .35 Whelen Ackley, and IMO, and based on what my gun has shown me, I think for that length of bullet, I'd likely go with a 1:12" twist, and certainly no slower than 1:14". Boolits are usually slightly shorter than their jacketed counterparts, which helps some, but for the speeds you're looking at, I'd go with the faster twist, I think. Others may disagree, and well may have more or better experience than I do in this, so listen to them well. Twist can be a kind'a funny thing sometimes, and slower is better for shooting softer alloys that will expand significantly, while faster twists are better and required for the heavier and longer boolits. It's really a trick of balancing out all the factors you're dealing with in each specific instance. I have no experience in this rifle yet with cast, so you'll need to take that into consideration as well. Good luck with that neat rifle!

[Yodogsandman]

William Yanda, if you'd like to try some first, PM me and I'll send some to you.

That boolit will stabilize in a 1 in 16 twist down to 1800 FPS. I don't think that is safely possible in a 35 Rem. Marlin 336. The length will also be a problem for feeding unless seated way down into the powder space of the 35 Rem case.

[Kestrel4k]

OP, would you be able to provide a link to that mould? It is very difficult to find the correct product due to the poor organization of their 300 different styles of .358's (http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=35) on their website.

(Sorry, am just interested in looking at the mould - I am certainly no expert on troubleshooting. :?)

Edit: Thanks,

[Yodogsandman]

http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,1026.0.html

[Kestrel4k]

Thanks for the link, much appreciated. :)

[TXGunNut]

In my experience the RD 359-190 is a pretty impressive thumper on the critters I hunt. As far as functioning and grouping I haven't been able to go much heavier than about 230 grs in the 336.

[Ben]

300 grain is a poor bullet choice for the 35 Rem.
Many choices that would work much better.

[Rodfac]

Check out member 35Remington's work with RCBS 200 gr FP. IIRC he found it every bit as good as Remington's venerable 200 gr JSP...pretty much the standard by which all .35 bullets are judged in the .35 Remington. 35Remington has several threads, complete with pictures documenting his work... In my own experience, albeit with a .358 Winchester Savage 99 loaded to .35 Remington velocity (2200 fps), I killed a KY 180 lb dressed 9 pt buck this year using that RCBS mold bullet. Penetration just behind the shoulder was through and through. The bullet broke ribs on both entry and exit, plus clipping the bottom of the backbone in transit. Exit hole was well over an inch.

Alloy used was WW+1%, water quenched and sized 0.360" for my Savage. From my mold, this alloy drops bullets weighing 213 gr.

I use the same bullet and size for my Marlin 336 in .35 Remington. Accuracy though the Savage runs very close to an inch at 100 yds, off my back porch rail with 2.5x scope at 100 yds. It's a great bullet, easily cast and GC'd. I'd have no problem using it on elk, inside 150 yds at the same velocity.

Rod

[Irascible]

Looks too long and there is no crimp groove. I tried NOE's 280 gr and it would not feed through my 336 or my 1895 Winchester in caliber 35 Winchester

[Gibbs44]

A link to Glen Fryxell's article on the Marlin 336 is attached. He mentions the Saeco #352 at about 250 grains. Good article. http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell35RemingtonLevergun.htm

[Tailhunter]

300 grain is a poor bullet choice for the 35 Rem.
Many choices that would work much better.

This .....


One of those better choices NOE 360/200, the rcbs clone.

[rjathon]

On the other end of the spectrum I have found the Hornady 180 gr SSP to be superb in my 35 Rem. It is accurate and when loaded down to 1900-2000 fps it blows huge holes completely through deer. The numerous kills have been at short range. They never travel more than 20 yds.

The terminal performance on deer is comparable to the 200 gr Remington RN stoked with 45 gr LVR. Recoil is much lighter.

I'm sure, based upon 35Remington's expert tests, that loaded up to 2250 or so it would be an excellent longer range load also. The pointy nose helps B.C. As to the pointy nose a two shot rifle is fine with me. That said, the nose is very soft. It can be gently flattened in an arbor press.

I put on safety glasses one day, laid out a primer on an anvil, put one of those bullets in a pair of vice grips, and did my best to detonate the primer by whacking the bullet with a hammer. I was unable to do it.

[Irascible]

NOE has none of these moulds in stock at present

[JesterGrin_1]

Here is the original RCBS and the Lee Copy

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/319002/rcbs-2-cavity-bullet-mold-35-200-fn-35-caliber-358-diameter-200-grain-flat-nose-gas-check

http://www.titanreloading.com/lee-6-cav-mold-c358200rf

[Irascible]

Anybody have a measurement from crimp groove center to the bottom of the gas check on the LEE mold?