Hornady is making some big claims?

[M-Tecs]

Wonder what they have up their sleeve????? The claim "We Change Everything 10/27/15"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n233sHgQeeI&feature=youtu.be

[bangerjim]

Sounds like they used the same ad agency as Apple and some of the Si Valley companies! Or Euro car companies!

Teaser. Nothing said.

[dragon813gt]

They must have a lot of 22lr stockpiled and are getting ready to ship it out. Hooray, unlimited supply for everyone.

[M-Tecs]

They showed live fire, a Doppler radar and smile after looking at a laptop so I am guessing an ultra super performance line of powders or new base design for an ultra high BC bullet. Time will tell.

[opos]

Moving all their facilities from Grand Island, Nebraska to China

[376Steyr]

Anti-gravity bullets with zero drop until 2000 yards, whereupon they explode into pixie dust and rainbows.

[Smoke4320]

Rainbow striped bullets

[Vann]

Either they are making a rifle or they have developed a new cartridge.

[Ola]

Did I hear: A solution to a problem that did not exist??

Holding my breath..

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

Maybe they are about to offer factory ammo for the 'Asperly Aimless ?

I love the line,"this solved a problem that none of us never fully realized existed before"

[9w1911]

Something tells me this will effect me 0%.

[edler7]

Making XTP bullets affordable ?

[RogerDat]

Maybe they suddenly realized they could charge much less for gas checks and still make a profit. High priced gas checks might be the "problem" they didn't realize existed and that they had a solution for.


Nah. Prolly Not It.

[9w1911]

Maybe they suddenly realized they could charge much less for gas checks and still make a profit. High priced gas checks might be the "problem" they didn't realize existed and that they had a solution for.


Nah. Prolly Not It.

So true.

[waynem34]

Hahahaa
Maybe they are about to offer factory ammo for the 'Asperly Aimless ?

I love the line,"this solved a problem that none of us never fully realized existed before"

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Maybe they are gonna start making there runout gauges to tighter tolerances than a high school machine shop project.

[Three44s]

My guess: Bullet flight characteristics

What does Hornady do the most and for the longest time?

Build and sell bullets

They are not powder makers.

They have not here to fore built guns.

The only cartridges they have "made" got some else's name on it .......

They do build reloading tools but bullets is their mainstay.

So I'd say it's something in the bullet development area.

And the "craze" today if you want to call it that ...... is long range .......... hence the hint with the doppler radar in the video.

(Now watch them put egg on my face ........... LOL!)

Best regards

Three 44s

[country gent]

Companies move into diffrent areas related to thier intrests quite often. New thoughts and areas lead to alot. Im betting some new form of "high" performance ammo line or super high bc long range bullet line. Maybe a tungsten cored bullet that is shorter for weight. Or some new form that increases bc accuracy and wind bucking.

[trapper9260]

The way it looks they are just trying to build up the hype to have people to buy there things.Just like the zombie ammo.They end up sell more under that then what it could of been call.Just another sales pitch.

[DW475]

Guessing it's a new Doppler Radar chronograph coming out besides the one being sold in Canada. Maybe it even picks up zombies!

[Hickory]

Makes you wonder if Hornady are putting dimples on their bullets similar to that of a golf ball.
The dimples on a golf ball help to reduce drag to make it more aerodynamic to help it fly further.

[Sasquatch-1]

Maybe it's a Holy water tipped silver bullet for use against vampires and werewolves. Needless to say the industry has zombies covered.:veryconfu

[Hickory]

That's it, I forgot the purple fonts again.

[jmort]

It better be a significant advancement. They seem so full of it, but they have innovated so I am interested.

[Love Life]

I heard they bought Doe Run and are reopening it. The lead from Doe Run has mystical qualities and will not only make more accurate bullets, but will increase hair growth on balding men.

That's my guess.

On a serious note: If it's a LR bullet, it better have a substantial improvement over their current lineup and their competitors line up to get my interest. If its a Doppler radar, then it better perform equal to or better than the current one on the market, same for anything else they bring out.

I haven't been interested in much form the manufacturers lately as all the stuff I have works fine, and the "better" mousetrap doesn't give me an advantage worth the cost of an upgrade.

[TheDoctor]

Solution to a problem that wasn't known to exist. Hmmm. 45 GAP? 7mm RSAUM? 327 Fed? 450 Marlin? 17 MKII? 204 Ruger? Wasn't those solutions to "problems" too? Maybe they found some of Ackleys old notes, and found a way to "improve" them all!

[Bonz]

Hopefully one of their new items will be a Hornady LNL reloading press that has 6 or more reloading stations.

[WILCO]

I'm very interested in what they're about to reveal.
Just love it when an American company has new wares to sell.
Joyce Hornady was a problem solver. Not a complainer.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/hornady1.jpg

[dilly]

I'm willing to listen.


Better than the next greatest Apple reveal.

[Maximumbob54]

I'm so jaded that I'm already let down.

[Butler Ford]

They bought a box of Bergers? (TIC)

BF

[steelworker]

Anti-gravity bullets with zero drop until 2000 yards, whereupon they explode into pixie dust and rainbows.

and unicorns

[Smoke4320]

distance activated exploding bullets

[Blackwater]

I'm betting it's the copper/polymer bullet. I think they've been working on this for some time, as a way to stay in the bullet business IF and WHEN they outlaw lead. Just my guess anyway. Hornady has shown a lot of initiative in the last few decades, but they don't (or at least haven't typically) gone off in the deep end too quickly very often. With the way our "managers" and engineers are trained today, it takes them a while to find their limits and discover that ALL their ideas aren't quite what they imagined. It's amazing what a little experience can do to humble a new grad.

[trapper9260]

I'm betting it's the copper/polymer bullet. I think they've been working on this for some time, as a way to stay in the bullet business IF and WHEN they outlaw lead. Just my guess anyway. Hornady has shown a lot of initiative in the last few decades, but they don't (or at least haven't typically) gone off in the deep end too quickly very often. With the way our "managers" and engineers are trained today, it takes them a while to find their limits and discover that ALL their ideas aren't quite what they imagined. It's amazing what a little experience can do to humble a new grad.

There is a write up in the new Rifleman mag about the copper/polymer bullet.

[Maximumbob54]

Wonder if you can cast a copper/polymer bullet. Sort of like how they "gloolet" guys cast them. Copper filings mixed with some resin that you inject into the mold and out pops a bullet that doesn't need lube and can probably be pushed pretty hard. Not sure what kind of mold lube you would need though.

[Smoke4320]

Wonder if you can cast a copper/polymer bullet. Sort of like how they "gloolet" guys cast them. Copper filings mixed with some resin that you inject into the mold and out pops a bullet that doesn't need lube and can probably be pushed pretty hard. Not sure what kind of mold lube you would need though.

owl snot

[rmatchell]

Maybe they decided to make boolits?

[A pause for the COZ]

Eww eww eww! I know!!! they gona put the pointy side in first.

[Smoke4320]

yes I get tired of sorting out all the left handed bullets from one of their boxes :}

[Ken in Iowa]

yes I get tired of sorting out all the left handed bullets from one of their boxes :}

Hey, those are for Enfields!

[yovinny]

Introducing the 26 Hornady....

Guaranteed to burn double the powder and go 98fps faster than the former latest greatest :lol:

[Blammer]

they have a new non lead, lead bullet. :)

[MT Chambers]

Most claims made by bullet makers or their schills in the magazines are complete non-sense, so I don't believe this will be any different.

[Mauser48]

I wouldn't doubt they will reveal a new caliber. Better be good.

[Blammer]

I actually didn't hear them claim anything.

Sorta like a politician, says some things, but lets you fill in the blanks and assume other things.

For all I know they got a new mop to mop the floor with.

[Blammer]

old way of cleaning the floor

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.M4533fe401c298401995bf2cdbc31fd67o0&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

new way to clean floor

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Mfe8ea52257daf67415482496db481652o0&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0

[Love Life]

old way of cleaning the floor

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=oip.m4533fe401c298401995bf2cdbc31fd67o0&w=300&h=300&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0




"scuzz!!!!!"
"scuzz aye sir!!!!!"

[woodbutcher]

:bigsmyl2: Seeing as they are revealing all on my birthday,maybe its something that I can use.Har,har.
Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
Leo

[rondog]

All I know is I won't be able to afford it, whatever it is.....

[bruce drake]

Sierra announced a new high ballistic coefficient 183gr 7mm MatchKing bullet today...Probably an attempt to offset Hornady's new line announcement.

[GabbyM]

Sierra announced a new high ballistic coefficient 183gr 7mm MatchKing bullet today...Probably an attempt to offset Hornady's new line announcement.


Or they saw on there one million dollar computer. A cast lead 38 Special revolver bullet exceed the velocity of a gilding metal clad bullet so exceed the later as to realize the new is the old. Or as Forrest Gump said. Stupid is as Stupid does.

[GabbyM]

That's what I wondered but that's what I knew.

[M-Tecs]

In the video they have a print with what looks to be a case with power and the back end of a bullet that comes to a 90 degree point?

[MT Gianni]

They pioneered the rubber tipped bullet, now they are going for the rubber base.

[depoloni]

They didn't say jack squat. And they managed to get 55 posts on castboolits alone for nothing. Actually, 56 now.

Sounds like their marketing guy gets a raise, and won. And all of ya's smart enough to speculate proved them right.
Maybe, just maybe, we could wait and see what proof is in the pudding and then take a cold shower.

[Russel Nash]

Patent is here:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=hornady&OS=hornady&RS=hornady

Images are here:
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&docid=09121677&IDKey=8F5ED6D08E97&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fn ph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1 %2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D2%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3 DAND%2526d%3DPTXT%2526s1%3Dhornady%2526OS%3Dhornad y%2526RS%3Dhornady

[jsizemore]

polymer bullet or jacket

[M-Tecs]

Patent is here:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=hornady&OS=hornady&RS=hornady

Images are here:
http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&docid=09121677&IDKey=8F5ED6D08E97&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fn ph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO2%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526p%3D1 %2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsearch-bool.html%2526r%3D2%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526co1%3 DAND%2526d%3DPTXT%2526s1%3Dhornady%2526OS%3Dhornad y%2526RS%3Dhornady

Thanks

[kopperl]

Maybe clean skivvy's for all hands?

[Col4570]

Strange advert,it said nothing.

[fouronesix]

According to the patent material posted if it is in fact what the OP and all the thread hype is about- looks like a tricked out expanding pistol bullet design. Conventional cup and core hollow point with an added jacket interlock and an elastomeric HP insert. The test media results look pretty good. But not in my area of interest.

[bruce drake]

I remember that line! And a lot of scrub brushes got broke during scuzz races...

[TXGunNut]

Odd, misleading video. I thought it had something to do with a high-performance rifle bullet. Seems all the hype is about a handgun bullet that addresses an issue that is hardly new. Couldn't get the pics to come up but I'm already disappointed. I'll try to keep an open mind.

[9w1911]

not to be negative but I have no need for jacketed pistol projectiles

[TXGunNut]

not to be negative but I have no need for jacketed pistol projectiles

Agreed, but I like to keep up with the projectiles that the great unwashed have to settle for.

[Three44s]

Not much that a good soft nose cast boolit does not already do.

Three 44s

[rondog]

Anybody see the article in this month's American Rifleman about the polymer/copper powder bullets?

[PbHurler]

Ok, so the "old" polymer bullet tips melted during flight & altered the BC of the bullet.

I wonder if the temperatures involved were in the range that would melt an alloyed lead tip?

(Paraphrase) "This new technology in design will produce excellent expansion characteristics at all ranges" Ahhh, once again, a magic bullet!

How will / has Hornady addressed the changing B/C due to deceleration?

Now I'm in no way saying this design change isn't a better mousetrap, but ballistics & marketing is fun stuff.

[Ken in Iowa]

Very interesting stuff. Doppler radar reveals an issue nobody knew existed. Very cool.

If I was still doing that type of shooting, I would buy a few boxes for testing. The way it stands, 90% of what I shoot now is cast.

[Love Life]

According to the patent material posted if it is in fact what the OP and all the thread hype is about- looks like a tricked out expanding pistol bullet design. Conventional cup and core hollow point with an added jacket interlock and an elastomeric HP insert. The test media results look pretty good. But not in my area of interest.

Jacket interlock? Like the Remington Black Belt bullets?

[Love Life]

I remember that line! And a lot of scrub brushes got broke during scuzz races...

I remember, duck walking with a scuzz brush, bear crawling along the deck with a rolled up towel, and looking at the mops outside the window in the quad...

I have a funny story about boot camp field day, but I'll save it for another thread.

[jmort]

So it is a plastic "Heat shield" tip. "Match Standard Hunting bullets." Makes sense, not earth shaking, but looks nice and expensive. It never occurred to me, or them either, but the plastic tips previously used were melting at high velocity, I guess they get north of 500 degrees. That melting really showed up at long range. So long range hunters now have the best of the best, I guess.

[dragon813gt]

Lame, lame, lame. The science behind it is interesting. But all they did is use a different plastic for the tip. This effects me in no way because I don't shoot jacketed rifle bullets.

[jmort]

"This effects me in no way..."

Same here

[Skipper]

Error...disregard

[dragon813gt]

Nope....I heard from an industry insider that all they did to stop the bullet nose melting and drooping was to use the same plastic....then they just tumble them in powdered ******.

It was a twenty minute video and I bailed about five minutes into it. High production value w/ little substance. A simple flyer is all that's needed to explain this new fangled bullet.

[Love Life]

Does this mean that Nosler and Sierra are behind the curve?

[dragon813gt]

Does this mean that Nosler and Sierra are behind the curve?

It means that someone else did all the expensive R&D for them and they can simply copy the product if they wish to :)

[jmort]

They will have to get their own special plastic.

[M-Tecs]

Hornady new products for 2016 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY3CKco6rqc

[dragon813gt]

They will have to get their own special plastic.

Sure they will. There are so many special polymers and the overlap is huge. Pick a slightly different one w/ the same properties and bingo. Sierra and Nosler now have game changers :laugh:

[gtgeorge]

:YAWN: The big breakthrough was they were delivering a defective product all these years with that soft nylon tip that deformed easily and come to find out melted at high velocity....So now for $5 more you can have the NEW harder plastic tip! ....[smilie=b:

[snuffy]

It was a twenty minute video and I bailed about five minutes into it. High production value w/ little substance. A simple flyer is all that's needed to explain this new fangled bullet.

http://www.hornady.com/
(http://www.hornady.com/)

I watched the whole video, I suggest you do too. There's "other" new stuff,(or at least I haven't heard about it), there's new ammo other than the EDX, there's a huge new all cast iron single stage press that looks pretty darn good. It DOES have those confounded LNL bushings, but I have to admit they really change out fast in the video. Along with a place to park the other dies right on the press, a place to mount case conditioning tools, inside/outside chamfer, primer pocket cleaner, and neck brushes. Looks to be made like a tank, very heavy "C" type press with very good access to the cleaver new shell holder.

No wonder I can't find any interbond bullets, or any GMX. They may be placing the new heat shield tips in them, not that I'm all that worried about a small change to BC at long range for hunting. OR long range target shooting, I no longer do either.

A new electronic/digital scale, lots of other stuff.

[Love Life]

Sure they will. There are so many special polymers and the overlap is huge. Pick a slightly different one w/ the same properties and bingo. Sierra and Nosler now have game changers :laugh:

You don't say?

151974

[M-Tecs]

I do like the idea of improved hunting and match bullets and I really like the AR loaded round indicator/charge handle. The iron press has some nice features but nothing in the video is "game changing"

The handgun safe and case drier = major yawn for me.

I will try some of the match bullets at a 1,000 yard and compare them to my old A-Max and Berger's. I just purchased a years supply of prairie dog bullets and I always keep at least a years supply on hand so it will be at least two years before I need to purchase any V-max or BT's. If I find a deal I will still purchase the "old" useless bullets.

Since the "game was changed" anyone that want's to send me their old obsolete useless un-game changed bullets can. I will pay shipping!!!!!!!!! I will ensure proper disposal these obsolete useless items.

[swheeler]

Ok, so the "old" polymer bullet tips melted during flight & altered the BC of the bullet.

I wonder if the temperatures involved were in the range that would melt an alloyed lead tip?

(Paraphrase) "This new technology in design will produce excellent expansion characteristics at all ranges" Ahhh, once again, a magic bullet!

How will / has Hornady addressed the changing B/C due to deceleration?

Now I'm in no way saying this design change isn't a better mousetrap, but ballistics & marketing is fun stuff.

Temperature numbers ran by pretty fast but saw 780 deg F, so yes. I think Hornady knew this many years ago and had published such in their third edition reloading manual, exposed lead tips melted off in flight.

[9w1911]

Well I admit I do want that bench stool, hahah.

EDIT: 130.00 LOL no thanks. Ill keep using the stool that cost me 0.00

[matrixcs]

Nearly as informative as an Eisenhower speech!

[bangerjim]

If I subsistence hunted and had only one chance to hit game or go hungry, I would sure try them over my standard cast Pb boolits! I don't hunt anything, except parking places and food on the menus of steak houses!

[gtgeorge]

If I subsistence hunted and had only one chance to hit game or go hungry, I would sure try them over my standard cast Pb boolits! I don't hunt anything, except parking places and food on the menus of steak houses!I actually do the opposite and prefer to use my PB. Only one I still use jacketed in so far is the 6.5 Creedmoor and 7mm mag. Those are still on those old defunct Hornady low temp tips. LOL Wonder if they will recall all those that the tips melt on to replace with their new plastic tip??

BTW even if the tip gets up to the temps claimed I have my doubts lead would melt as lead doesn't melt instantly when exposed to melting temps. And less than a second in flight.....

[Geraldo]

The whole doppler thing and finding out they had a downrange drag issue was cool, but I wonder how significant the issue really was. I don't have a 1000 yard range or rifle.

The new press looks like they added a priming tube to a Co-ax. It might have interested me if I didn't already have a Co-ax.

[KCSO]

Plastic Bullets ?

[bangerjim]

Plastic Bullets ?

No......plastic tips......same thing as today, just a different alloy of plastic.

Can you say "New Coke?"

[David2011]

http://www.hornady.com/
(http://www.hornady.com/)

I watched the whole video, I suggest you do too. There's "other" new stuff,(or at least I haven't heard about it), there's new ammo other than the EDX, there's a huge new all cast iron single stage press that looks pretty darn good. It DOES have those confounded LNL bushings, but I have to admit they really change out fast in the video.


They change out pretty fast in real life as well. I've been using them for 6 or 7 years now. They seem to be every bit as accurate as screwing the dies in with lock nuts in place and it takes literally about 3 seconds to change dies if you need to go back to a case and do something different like pull a bullet or re-seat a primer that's a little proud. I think they're well worth the investment and I use them for about 10 sets of dies.

David

[arjacobson]

All I can say is Hornady is 40 minutes north of my in-laws farm.. HIGHLY recommended to go take a tour of the place.. I have a machining background and loved watching the presses run.. Very busy factory with excellent employees.. We need more companies like this in the US...BTW you should see the room that they melt the lead in.. I am guessing the pot is 4 feet high and 7-8 feet in diameter..hehehehe

[TXGunNut]

All I can say is Hornady is 40 minutes north of my in-laws farm.. HIGHLY recommended to go take a tour of the place.. I have a machining background and loved watching the presses run.. Very busy factory with excellent employees.. We need more companies like this in the US...BTW you should see the room that they melt the lead in.. I am guessing the pot is 4 feet high and 7-8 feet in diameter..hehehehe

That does sound like fun, haven't been to Nebraska in years.

[Tom Myers]

Ok, so the "old" polymer bullet tips melted during flight & altered the BC of the bullet.

I wonder if the temperatures involved were in the range that would melt an alloyed lead tip?

(Paraphrase) "This new technology in design will produce excellent expansion characteristics at all ranges" Ahhh, once again, a magic bullet!

How will / has Hornady addressed the changing B/C due to deceleration?

Now I'm in no way saying this design change isn't a better mousetrap, but ballistics & marketing is fun stuff.

This phenomonon has been considered for a long time
A special Drag Retardation Table used to modify the ballistic coefficient when calculatin trajectories was developed years ago

The Lead Tip Drag Model is obtained from the GL drag table which is identical to the G1 drag table under the velocity of 1300 fps.

The Precision Ballistics software (http://www.tmtpages.com/basbal/bal.htm) contains a feature that allows pre-selection of up to 9 drag tables that can be applied to various jacketed, cast and round ball trajectories during the ballistics and trajectory calculations.
( G1, GL, G2, G5, G6, G7, G8, KRUPP, RB )


Click the images to view full size.

Click here to view more drag table charts (http://www.tmtpages.com/Ballistics_Ver-4_Help/hs13.htm)

G1....The drag table used by most manufactures
and ballistic programs, whether it best represents the projectile or
not.
152011

GL ....For Spire pointed, soft lead tipped
projectiles where the soft lead nose deforms at higher velocities, it is
identical to the G1 table at velocities below 1300 f.p.s..

152010

[Three44s]

My guess: Bullet flight characteristics

What does Hornady do the most and for the longest time?

Build and sell bullets

They are not powder makers.

They have not here to fore built guns.

The only cartridges they have "made" got some else's name on it .......

They do build reloading tools but bullets is their mainstay.

So I'd say it's something in the bullet development area.

And the "craze" today if you want to call it that ...... is long range .......... hence the hint with the doppler radar in the video.

(Now watch them put egg on my face ........... LOL!)

Best regards

Three 44s

No egg after all!

Three 44s

[MtGun44]

I used to work for a plastics company. My first thought for a high temp polymer was polysulfone, which
has a golden yellow color and is transparent naturally. The first application we used it for in the late 70s was
for steam autoclaveable reusable medical equipment.

Looked at the video showing a handful of tips...... transparent golden color.

Dollars to doughnuts it is polysulphone.

[Mauser48]

Lol! The brass dryer was just a red dehydrator that said hornady on it. The AR piece was worthless also. They make bcg's with a handle in them or you can just carry the rifle with the bolt locked back and hit the slide release. The new bullets are interesting but I would really like to know how much better they are. Also will they be putting these tips in the AMAX and the VMAX as well? You probably won't notice a difference till 800 yards anyways.

[mtnman31]

The dehydrator looks like it would work as well for deer jerky as for drying cases.
I just can't see me purchasing their parts dryer. I'll stick to using sunshine to dry my brass. After I clean my brass I set it out in the sun, works great and the price is right. In the winter I set the brass on a pan in front of the forced air heater register.

[snuffy]

I already have a food dehydrator. I never even thought of using it for drying brass after U.S. cleaning it. The HF ultra sonic does a great job on tarnished brass, but sunny days are few and far between here in frozen tundra land. I may clean a lot more cases that way now that the obvious connection has been made to use the jerky maker for cases/parts. Thanks Hornady!