Where do you find lead????

[Dogg]

I'm kinda new to casting so please bear with my stupid questions.

I am looking for a source of lead, have gone to all the tire stores in Shreveport LA trying to get old wheel weights and literally eveyone says they have to send them back to their main office, tried to buy them and was refused that also. I don't know where else to get lead. If I have to buy lead at an inflated price might as well buy jacketed bullets. Needless to say I am frustrated. Any ideas on where I could go to get lead would be appreciated.

Thanks
Dogg

[imashooter2]

Scrap yards, indoor ranges, plumbing and roof tear outs, hospitals...

[imashooter2]

Sail boat keels, diving weights, dentists...

[sundog]

Try Redistribution at Barksdale if they have one.

[montana_charlie]

Aren't there dealers in Louisiana who are salvaging all of the boats damaged in hurricanes? Seems like there should be a glut of keel lead around, if you can find out who is handling it.

From the sound of items in the news, a guy should be able to stay well supplied by rendering lead out of Condor carcasses...
CM

[Duckiller]

Has anyone thought of Walmart or Kmart for Hannah Montana things that the news says is full of lead. Buy it , burn it and cast the residue.

[lathesmith]

The going rate for "ingotized" mixed lead on ebay is roughly $1/lb shipped. That's a good place to start; quick and easy, and it will get you going. If you can find it locally for cheaper, so much the better. Even if you have to pay $2/lb you are still way ahead of jacketed price, especially for plinker bullets.
lathesmith

[montana_charlie]

I happened across this post on one of the other forums. I like what it says...
"Guys,
Everyone should be advised that some are really trying to take advantage of a small price hike in the price of lead.
Art Green in Ca. is selling pure ingots for $1.05 but will only sell in small lots (60-70#) so everyone has a chance to buy some.
The price is going down now as a new smelter is on line and another that was down for repair has gone back on line.
I hope all of those who tried to stick it too us get stuck themselves now that the price is falling.
Also wish the same thing would happen to the diesel producers!!!
Steve R"

The guy who wrote it is Steve Rhoads, a well-known shooter in BPCR.
CM

[218bee]

MontanaCharlie, I hear ya on the price of diesel!! Isn't diesel a "byproduct" of making gas??
My son uses my '83 Ford diesel pickup for school and baseball practice and I gave him $40 to put some fuel in and that was not even 10 gallons @ 4.11 a gal.....Damn

[45nut]

Isn't diesel a "byproduct" of making gas??
Thats what I was told and have repeated for decades, right now I don't know if it is the chicken or the egg or an omelet.

[montana_charlie]

MontanaCharlie, I hear ya on the price of diesel!! Isn't diesel a "byproduct" of making gas??
You got me there, pard. But understand that I didn't write any of that...including the comment about diesel fuel.

Just playing with putting some 2's together...
Gasoline refining capability is said to be rather limited...and that is partly responsible for the hike in gas prices.
If true, the production of diesel would also be limited, if it actually is a byproduct of gasoline refining.


But, referring to the thing I posted earlier, I am glad that the price of lead is likely to come back down due to the fact that the recent hike was not based on 'permanent factors'.

CM

[DanWalker]

You got me there, pard. But understand that I didn't write any of that...including the comment about diesel fuel.

Just playing with putting some 2's together...
Gasoline refining capability is said to be rather limited...and that is partly responsible for the hike in gas prices.
If true, the production of diesel would also be limited, if it actually is a byproduct of gasoline refining

CM

Hi guys,
I hope you don't mind if I climb up on my soapbox and offer a bit of insight.
I currently work in the oilfield industry. I work for a company that the other companies hire when they need to drill a well in any other direction besides straight down.
Anyhow, I feel qualified to answer your questions, not due to my own vast wealth of knowldege, gleaned from a whopping 2 years of experience in this industry, but rather from the experience and knowledge of honest men I know who've been working in it for over 30 years.
First, Diesel is a byproduct of gasoline refining. You ask, "Then why is it so expensive?"
It's just a way to soften the blow of the increased cost of oil. Something on the order of 80 percent of all items shipped in the world are moved by vehicles running on diesel.
This increased cost of fuel for them is passed on to the consumer through fuel surcharges to retailers, who add it in to the prices of goods. If they didn't jack up the price on diesel, gas would be even more expensive than it is.
Next,"Why don't we build more refineries?"
Refineries are INCREDIBLY expensive to build, and due to increased environmental regulation, they take a long time to build. Also, the same people yelling for more refineries are, in the next breath, saying,"BUT NOT IN MY TOWN!" No one wants one of these ugly smelly behemoths anywhere near where they live. As a result, refineries are built out in the middle of nowhere, and require trucks to haul the gas they refine, sometimes great distances, to distribution points. This action further increases the cost of the fuel. It is also a question of economics. If we did build some more refineries, and were able to somehow magically get them all online to outpace our rising consumption of oil, wht do you think OPEC would do once our refineries started negatively effecting their profits? They'd cut production in order to keep prices high.
So, anyone know a company willing to run that much financial risk for questionable profits, in a section of the industry who's volatility makes juggling greased vials of nitroglycerine look safe in comaprison?
More stuff:
EVIL OIL BARONS.....We keep hearing about record profits made by the oil companies. Everyone wants the government to step in and "REGULATE" this industry. There's a word for government control of private industry...COMMUNISM.
Where were all the voices curently shouting for government intervention when oil companies were drying up and blowing away in the late 80's and 90's?
When did it become bad to be in business to make a profit?
"Why doesn't the government do SOMETHING?" They are.....they're raking in enormous sums from the taxes they levvy on gas. Look at the pump next time and see how much of the cost of your fuel is actually taxes.
Did you know that up to 40 dollars per barrel of oil is actually,"production costs".
Know what that entails? Oil companies pay other "service companies" to extract the oil. EVERYTHING in the oilfield service industry is cost plus. The profits being made by these companies are enormous.
These services entail everything, from the cost of renting the rig to drill, paying 3 crews to run a rig,paying for the multitude of secondary equipment, which is all rented at a daily rate, to run the rig. They also pay trucking companies to haul the equipment. They also pay support personnel like welders, machinists, electricians,etc..
Want some examples? Trucking companies charge $1.92 per mile each way, PLUS a fuel surcharge, to haul gear,water and fuel out to the rigs every day.
I've seen welders charge $185 PER HOUR to come out and weld a small part.
Directional drilling companies charge $8000-$12000 PER DAY for their services.
The starting pay for a roughneck is $27 an hour, and they can't ever find enough of them.
Geologists make $500 a day in some places.
The satellite internet connection I'm typing this on costs the company $200 a DAY!
The 12x24 trailer I stay in out here on the rig costs the company $300 a day.
Did you know that some of the biggest names in the industry are actually FOREIGN owned?
Schlumberger is the second largest oilfield service company in existence, and they're owned by the french government. ENCANA is another, and it's CANADIAN owned.
I'm not trying to defend anyone or make light of the incredible corruption that this industry has a history of.
I'm just tired of the pack of lies being spread by the media about this. What they are doing is nothing but class warfare and socialist rhetoric.

[45nut]

Well put Dan.

[DLCTEX]

In the news quietly this week was the fact that 41% of BIG OIL is owned by people like you and me who have 401K's and other retirement funds that are building retirement accounts. We're greedy little buggers, oops, I mean greedy BIG OIL BARONS aren't we. The economy in our area is booming due to the tremendous oil boom and no one here is unaffected by it in a positive way. My business is really benefiting because people have money to spend on repairs and remodeling and businesses are expanding . I complain about the price of fuel, but not too loudly. It's hard to gripe with your mouth full. DALE

[Ron]

And just to hijack this thread a bit further ......................... Liquified Petroleum Gas (LPG) is also a by product of petrol production which I believe costs nothing to produce.

In Oz a lot of cars are run on LPG and we buy it at the exhorborant price of (this week) between 60 and 65 cents per litre., most of which is tax A couple of years ago we were selling it to japan at 6 cents per litre.

It's a good fuel for large engines like mine, a 5 litre V8 with no loss of power or acceleration. Our Fed. Govt. even gives those who convert their cars to LPG, a bonus of I think $1,000.00 because it is one of the ways to help the "Global Warming" theory/problem. Seems to me that a lot more places should use it, if for no other reason that it is cheaper than petrol.

[Bret4207]

Well said Dan! Thats just about what I figured. But no one cares about taxing the guy who who makes more than we do, so there's no way the media will tell that side of the story.

[MT Gianni]

I was led to believe that diesel has been refined since the early 90's, previous to thaat it was stripped by specific gravity/weight processing. I understand that all the gasses, Natural gas, LPG, Butane etc. can be processed by weight sorting by specific gravity. Put it in a container Nat Gas has a Spec. Grav. of 0.6, LPG 1.5, Butane 2.0 so pull each out at those weight levels. It isn't a extensive process, all need scrubbing from contaminants and just as in the beef industry the originators of the product are at the mercy of th producers. Gianni

[Junior1942]

There's 42 gallons in a barrel of oil. So $100 per barrel crude oil / 42 = $2.38 per gallon at the wellhead. Take out the landowner's 1/8 to 1/4, taxes, transportation, refining costs, etc., etc., and you'll see why we have $3+ per gallon gasoline. And why we'll soon have $6 per gallon gasoline.

[Dogg]

In that my thread was maliciously hi-jacked and since I have yet to find a source of lead in this area... I propose everyone forward (1) pound of lead to me in retrobution. RWM,13244 KEithville Keatchie RD, Keithville, LA 71047.
Thank you

[Sundogg1911]

i've almost gotten to the point where lead finds me. I have a buddy that manages a fishing shop. He has people that bring Him lead. I usually get all the Lino or anything harder than a WW. I guess you don't have to worry about leading up your fishin' rod with too soft of a jig head. lol I also have a tire shop that sells me 5 gallon buckets of WWs for around 5 or 10 bucks depending on quantity.

[imashooter2]

In that my thread was maliciously hi-jacked and since I have yet to find a source of lead in this area... I propose everyone forward (1) pound of lead to me in retrobution. RWM,13244 KEithville Keatchie RD, Keithville, LA 71047.
Thank you

Dogg,
Stick around here and you'll find that there is no such thing as a hijackled thread. The conversation drifts where it will. Always has, always will. Not always a bad thing, but sometimes a bit annoying when you're looking for a specific answer. Anyway, I think the answer to your question was supplied before the conversation drifted. Lead's out there, you just gotta keep looking.

[Slowpoke]

And just to hijack this thread a bit further ......................... Liquified Petroleum Gas (LPG) is also a by product of petrol production which I believe costs nothing to produce.

In Oz a lot of cars are run on LPG and we buy it at the exhorborant price of (this week) between 60 and 65 cents per litre., most of which is tax A couple of years ago we were selling it to japan at 6 cents per litre.

It's a good fuel for large engines like mine, a 5 litre V8 with no loss of power or acceleration. Our Fed. Govt. even gives those who convert their cars to LPG, a bonus of I think $1,000.00 because it is one of the ways to help the "Global Warming" theory/problem. Seems to me that a lot more places should use it, if for no other reason that it is cheaper than petrol.

Not in the Mid Atlantic region of the USA, LPG = $3.39 a gallon, Unleaded gas $3.12 a gallon.

Good day

[DanWalker]

Funny you should bring up LPG as a motor fuel.
I'm currently restoring/ building a 1977 JEEP J10 pickup to run on propane exclusively.
Propane powered vehicles got a bad rap here in the states because most were conversions or dual fuel setups. Both are very poor compromises that fail to take advantage of all the power in propane.
My engine is a Chevy 350 with closed port heads, 11:1 compression ratio, a moderate cam, aluminum intake, and headers, bolted to a 700r4 AOD transmission. I will be running a 60 gallon tank in the bed of the truck.

[No_1]

Hi Dan,

Correct me if I am wrong but the economy of a propane engine is about 1/2 of the economy of a gasoline engine. I did some in dept study of propane engines in the 80's. My study was more on the power output potential so I did not really touch hard on economy.

R.


Funny you should bring up LPG as a motor fuel.
I'm currently restoring/ building a 1977 JEEP J10 pickup to run on propane exclusively.
Propane powered vehicles got a bad rap here in the states because most were conversions or dual fuel setups. Both are very poor compromises that fail to take advantage of all the power in propane.
My engine is a Chevy 350 with closed port heads, 11:1 compression ratio, a moderate cam, aluminum intake, and headers, bolted to a 700r4 AOD transmission. I will be running a 60 gallon tank in the bed of the truck.

[felix]

Propane has circa 90 percent heat generation compared to gasoline at 100 percent. Natural gas, stripped of any propane or higher "anes or enes", has circa 50 percent. I bet natural gas is what you are thinking about, Robert. Anyway, 60 gallons of propane is excessive to haul around, but maybe not when locations to refuel are considered. Depends on the area and potential for long mileage trips. It is by far best to fine tune the "carb" for the kind of heat source. ... felix

[grumpy one]

Propane (incidentally ours is called LPG because it is anywhere from 15 to 40% butane) has very little federal tax here, as a result of a political policy that it should sell for half of the price of gasoline. Single fuel propane vehicles are unpopular and have low resale value because availability of the fuel is patchy around the country. That means they aren't suitable for long trips unless the trip is planned around avoiding the gaps in propane availability. Taxis, however, are just about universally dual fuel, and always use LPG except when there is an availability problem. Amortising the cost of the dual fuel conversion over the life of the vehicle only works if the annual mileage is pretty high, so taxis are ideal customers.

[grumpy one]

Propane has circa 90 percent heat generation compared to gasoline at 100 percent. Natural gas, stripped of any propane or higher "anes or enes", has circa 50 percent. I bet natural gas is what you are thinking about, Robert. Anyway, 60 gallons of propane is excessive to haul around, but maybe not when locations to refuel are considered. Depends on the area and potential for long mileage trips. It is by far best to fine tune the "carb" for the kind of heat source. ... felix

Propane and butane are over 100 octane, so there is a considerable fuel economy benefit from raising the compression ratio when they are used. Of course this presents a problem for dual fuel vehicles: running a high compression engine on 89 octane gasoline by relying on the knock sensor just gives you retarded ignition most of the time and lousy fuel economy. So, the compression ratio of dual fuel vehicles is not raised and they have pretty poor efficiency on propane. Until about ten years ago they mostly ran open-loop on propane with an extremely crude air-fuel mixing arrangement, resulting in strong smells of unburned propane and even worse fuel economy. Nowadays they are usually closed loop and at least they burn the stuff properly. At least in Australia, most of them still use a mixing ring rather than port injection though, because of cost, giving poor cylinder to cylinder fuel distribution and slow mixture response because of the distance between the mixing ring and the exhaust sensor.

Propane can be quite a decent fuel for a purpose-designed engine, but dual fuel vehicles tend to be a less-than-happy compromise.

[DanWalker]

Propane and butane are over 100 octane, so there is a considerable fuel economy benefit from raising the compression ratio when they are used. Of course this presents a problem for dual fuel vehicles: running a high compression engine on 89 octane gasoline by relying on the knock sensor just gives you retarded ignition most of the time and lousy fuel economy.

Propane can be quite a decent fuel for a purpose-designed engine, but dual fuel vehicles tend to be a less-than-happy compromise.
EXACTLY!
That's why I went with 11:1 compression in my engine.
I'm honestly expecting 20mpg on the highway.
Yes, 60 gallons is a lot of fuel to carry, but I'll have a 1000 mile+ cruising range without the need to fillup anywhere but out of the bulk tank at my house.

[MT Gianni]

Dan, can you buy a fuel use permit from the state of WY reasonably? Montana's was $35 for their tax on alternate fuel then they wanted to change it to $300 annually but I lost track of where the legislation ended up. Gianni

[DanWalker]

I dunno.

[Wicky]

Dogg - back to lead. Sneakers (gym shoes) and a ladder and pinch it off the neighbors roof. Don't do what I did as a kid and take it off my own roof to make sinkers, smarter than the average bear me!!

[hydraulic]

When I got out of the Navy in 1960 I got a job with the Chicago & Northwestern RR working on the section gang, $2.06 an hour. Gas was 35 cents a gallon, so I could buy about 6 gallons for an hour's wages. I talked to a young guy just back from Iraq who got on with the Burrlington, last week, for $22 an hour. With gas at $3.25 he can buy about six gallons for an hour's wages.

[DLCTEX]

Back to lead.
My best finds have come from talking guns and bullets with friends, neighbors, and aquaintences. They see lead, babbit, wheel weights,and call me. When I travel I stop at tire shops, small towns are best, and ask what they do with their old wheel weights. A conversation in the coffee shop netted me some free brass last week. A oil field worker told me of an area where people had been shooting pistols and leaving the brass. I inquired where and he said it was a restricted access place, but he would bring me the brass. Two days later he brought a box full. Most of it was 45 acp. Great! City employess find lead in the recycle bins and give it to me. A Rancher let me have two large babbit bearings from some old oil equipment on his place. DALE

[mtgrs737]

Lead really is everywhere but you have to be presistant and ask about it with everyone you talk to. Right now I am keeping an eye out for pewter to alloy with, I'll bet I find some before too long.