Lever Action 357?

[tnaz]

Hello all, don't post much but read alot. I'm looking for a lever gun in 357 to go along with a S&W 357 with six inch barrel. Would like to get one with octagon barrel and in stainless to match what I have. My question to start off with Rossi or Marlin? Are there any others that make a rifle like this?

I know I will have more question; I want to cast some boolits too.

Please over look grammar spelling errors.

Thanks for now,

Terry

[pietro]

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Since AFAIK Marlin never made a stainless Model 1894 with an octagonal barrel, IMO you're pretty much stuck with either a Rossi (South America) or a Cimmarron (Italy) Model 92.



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[Pipefitter]

Not sure about stainles, but take a look at Henry rifles.

[ReloaderFred]

No, Marlin never did make the Cowboy version 1894 in Stainless Steel, but they did make the round barrel in Stainless, as I've got a couple of them. They aren't currently in production in stainless steel, only blue, and only with round barrels.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[tnaz]

Thanks for the replies. I have not had a good look at any of them. I did think that marlin made a stainless though. My bad.
Don't understand why none of the gun shops around me don't have one of each, guess they don't sell?

Terry

[EDK]

Thanks for the replies..........Don't understand why none of the gun shops around me don't have one of each, guess they don't sell?

Terry

They sell too d*** good! Go look over on gunbroker or your favorite internet auction site and see what the prices are...especially the MARLINS.
I had a good laugh today. Asked guy at a LGS about trading a very clean 357 MARLIN Cowboy, 20 inch octagon barrel with box, in on an 1895 CB-A that he'd have to order. He whips out the FJERSTADT (sp?) book, deducts 30%, and offers me less than $500. He hasn't figured out why he sells me some supplies and does transfers from internet purchases.

[Petrol & Powder]

I can't help you with the stainless steel part but several years ago I did have a Rossi lever action in 38/357. The internal action parts were rough and needed some attention but once I got it cleaned and smoothed up; it was a very good rifle. It was never the same level of quality as a good American made gun but it was a very good value. For several reasons, the chief one being my stupidity, I traded it for something I wanted more at the time and I don't remember what that was.
The Rossi is not refined nor does it have the assembly quality of more expensive rifles but it is a lot of gun for the money. If you can deal with blued carbon steel, I'd consider one as a place to start.

[Petrol & Powder]

Opps ! It appears Rossi does make a stainless model 92, my mistake.

[wv109323]

I have the Rossi in a round blue barrel. I would recommend the Marlin. +1 on what Petrol says about the Rossi. The Rossi can not be fitted with a scope.

[John Allen]

I have a trapper version of the marlin it is one of my favorite guns.

[tnaz]

I've not seen the marlin cowboy, or the rossi ss octagon barrel. What seems strange the local gun shops can't get one for me?
They want a deposit and can't give me a delivery time?? Why aren't rossi and marlin making these rifles?

[376Steyr]

I've not seen the marlin cowboy, or the rossi ss octagon barrel. What seems strange the local gun shops can't get one for me?
They want a deposit and can't give me a delivery time?? Why aren't rossi and marlin making these rifles?
I can't speak for the Rossi, but Marlin recently went through a wrenching time of being bought and relocated, which caused a total stop of production, followed by terrible problems getting back into production. Search "Remlin" and get a taste of the soap opera.

[sailsguy]

I have a blue Marlin pre safety. It is very smooth and accurate.

sailsguy

[tnaz]

For 2014, Marlin is reintroducing four suspended offerings, including two .338 Marlin Express rifles, the 1895 Cowboy, and the .444 Marlin. The company is also introducing a Limited Edition series, with the first rifle being a 336 Limited featuring a high-grade walnut stock, high-polish blued metal with some light scroll engraving, and the Marlin horse and rider in 24-carat gold on the left receiver panel. Future plans call for a new introduction to the series each year, with changes in engraving patterns, model, and overall configuration.

Stopped at wally world last night to see if they could order one, none available? Now if I find one used want know if its a good one or bad. I guess if it cycles 38, 38 spls, and 357 its ok?

[MT Gianni]

I have the Rossi in a round blue barrel. I would recommend the Marlin. +1 on what Petrol says about the Rossi. The Rossi can not be fitted with a scope.
My 92 has a extended eye relief [pistol] scope. It just requires removal of the rear sight.

[fecmech]

Scoped Rossi. I have 2, an octagon and 20" round barrel. Can be a little rough as are new Marlins and the couple steel Henry's I looked at. But they smooth up as you shoot and are easily smithed. Both of mine have had literally thousands of rounds through them and trouble free. If you want to scope it the steel frame Henry will allow you to use conventional scopes as compared to the long eye relief on my Rossi.

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[northmn]

Marlin sells a lot of Rossi's. I have a 94 Marlin in 32-20 I picked up a while back and have only seen others in antiques. Getting a new Marlin in 357 is a bit difficult. Those on the Marlin forum that have contacted Marlin claim that they may start a run this fall some time but it keeps getting pushed back. Rossi's are available and less pricey. I did have to D&T mine for a Williams receiver sight but that is not a difficult undertaking. Rifle gets carried a lot on my tractor and 4 wheeler and is very enjoyable to shoot.

DP

[pietro]

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FWIW, newer Rossi's are D/T'd atop the rear section of the barrel, under the rear sight's longleaf, for Rossi's M-92 scope mount - used on the Rossi Scout Rifle (below).



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/3/rossimodel9244mag.jpg (http://imageshack.com/f/03rossimodel9244magj)

[Speedo66]

I don't know if the octagonal barreled Rossi's are D&T, but my recent model 20" round barrel .357 came with a scope mount and 4 holes under the rear sight to mount it. With a Weaver 4x scout scope, it's a very accurate combo.

The octagonal models do come D&T for a tang sight, which is another option.

The stainless octagonal Rossi's come in 20" and 24" versions. They're both a few pounds more than the round barreled versions, which is why I opted for round.

[georgerkahn]

tnaz -- be advised: Marlin made a lever in .357 Mag ONLY, as well as another model which chambers the S&W .38 Special caliber! I have one of each, and putting a S&W .38SP in the ".357 Mag - only" firearm cost me quite a few bucks at gunsmith's to get firearm -- with live round stuck in it -- cleared.
My .357 Mag (only) was a 1979 manufactured (s/n 21049,xxx) Model 1894. The firearm which shoots the S&W .38SP as well was a 1982 manufacture (s/n 03028xxx), "Cowboy Limited Model 1894CB".
'Thought you might wish to be cognizant of this. BOTH great firearms! The caliber(s) which will function are embossed on barrel. If only ".357 Magnum" appears -- that's all she'll shoot!
geo

[ReloaderFred]

georgerkahn,

That's not true at all about the .357 Magnum Marlins. Between my wife and I we have 7 of them, all marked ".357 Magnum". About all they shoot are .38 Special loads, thousands and thousands of them in SASS matches. It's been a year or two since any of them have had a .357 Magnum run through any of them, and we'll be shooting .38 Specials through them again tomorrow morning at our monthly local match.

The key is loading your .38 Special ammunition to at least 1.480" OAL, and using RNFP bullets. You also have to use a firm crimp to keep the bullets from collapsing into the case, which will jam up the gun. They also won't feed wadcutters, period, except single feeding, and who wants a single shot leveraction rifle?

If your gunsmith charged you a lot of money to clear your Marlin, he overcharged you, since all he had to do to clear a feeding jam was remove the magazine cap, barrel ring screw, spring and follower, plus remove the lever screw, lever and bolt. Once that's done, the round will drop out and you just have to put it back together. It takes less than 5 minutes for the whole operation.......

Hope this helps.

Fred

[376Steyr]

tnaz -- be advised: Marlin made a lever in .357 Mag ONLY, as well as another model which chambers the S&W .38 Special caliber! I have one of each, and putting a S&W .38SP in the ".357 Mag - only" firearm cost me quite a few bucks at gunsmith's to get firearm -- with live round stuck in it -- cleared.
My .357 Mag (only) was a 1979 manufactured (s/n 21049,xxx) Model 1894. The firearm which shoots the S&W .38SP as well was a 1982 manufacture (s/n 03028xxx), "Cowboy Limited Model 1894CB".
'Thought you might wish to be cognizant of this. BOTH great firearms! The caliber(s) which will function are embossed on barrel. If only ".357 Magnum" appears -- that's all she'll shoot!
geo
Just when you think you've seen everything there is to see on the Interwebs....I believe you meant to write that a .357 Magnum round won't fit into a gun marked ".38 Special".

[ReloaderFred]

I believe you meant to write that a .357 Magnum round won't fit into a gun marked ".38 Special".

Now that I can agree with, but it still shouldn't take a gunsmith to clear it.

Hope this helps.

Fred

[tnaz]

Thanks for that bit of info. I did not know that. All LGS that I have spoken with have said to find old model and no problems. I would prefer to have one that will chamber both.

I do want to cast some boolits, and want to use SWC 140 or 158 grns???

Thanks again,

Terry

[dragon813gt]

So I shouldn't be able to shoot 38 Special out of my 1894C? Learn something new everyday. Guess I've been doing it wrong for years. I don't bother loading 38 Special cases anymore. But my rifle feeds and fires them just fine.

New production of the 1894Cs keeps getting pushed back. It was suppose to start last quarter of 2014. It's been pushed back multiple times since. They are worth the wait. I have one of the few Remington 1894Cs made before they fully stopped production. Not a thing wrong w/ it and it's a shooter. When I was looking to purchase a 357 lever action the Rossi didn't have the correct twist to shoot heavyweight bullets.

[tnaz]

So I shouldn't be able to shoot 38 Special out of my 1894C? Learn something new everyday. Guess I've been doing it wrong for years. I don't bother loading 38 Special cases anymore. But my rifle feeds and fires them just fine.

New production of the 1894Cs keeps getting pushed back. It was suppose to start last quarter of 2014. It's been pushed back multiple times since. They are worth the wait. I have one of the few Remington 1894Cs made before they fully stopped production. Not a thing wrong w/ it and it's a shooter. When I was looking to purchase a 357 lever action the Rossi didn't have the correct twist to shoot heavyweight bullets.

Do you know when they ended production of the "GOOD ONES"? or ones with the least amount of problems? Marlin 1894c/cb

[dragon813gt]

I have one of the very few Remington made 1894Cs. Each Cabelas store got a small shipment in right before they stopped production. This was years ago. The ones before that shipment had issues. But the numbers produced were very small. Pay the premium for a JM stamped Marlin if you don't want to roll the dice w/ quality. But be aware not all JM Marlins are gems.

[tnaz]

Yep, I hear ya. The bad or good thing about the JM Marlins is the price, and whether your buying or selling.

[BCRider]

On the idea of the octagonal barrel? Be warned that due to the small hole that an octagonal barrel in .357 is going to be rather heavy. Expect the gun to feel decidedly muzzle heavy when shouldered. On the other hand the round barrel 92's feel wonderfully balanced both for carrying and shouldering. So I'm more in favor of performance and handling over looks.

[izzyjoe]

I would get a marlin,I have a older 94 357,and it will feed everything except wadcutters, and those will stop the fun in a heartbeat!

[rockrat]

I know that Navy Arms sold the Octagonal barreled 357's as I have seen one that a fellow around here has in his safe. It is kind of heavy, but it sure looks good.

[2wheelDuke]

I recently bought a stainless 20" octagon barreled Rossi. It's a bit rough, but I'll get around to that between shooting it and polishing it. I may refinish the wood someday too.

It feeds my .38 swc loads just fine, but I do have to step the crimp up. It was never important in revolvers.

I plan on keeping that one for a very long time.

[tnaz]

I recently bought a stainless 20" octagon barreled Rossi. It's a bit rough, but I'll get around to that between shooting it and polishing it. I may refinish the wood someday too.

It feeds my .38 swc loads just fine, but I do have to step the crimp up. It was never important in revolvers.

I plan on keeping that one for a very long time.

Glad you got one. I thought rossi stopped making the 20" octagon SS. Did yo find it local or order?

[Pereira]

I have an older Puma Rossi with the 24" ss octagon barrel.
When I got it, it didn't feed reliably, after a little research.
I ended up cutting the magazine spring down, and haven't had any issues since.
Took a young buck with it the first year I got it.
Here ya go.http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/sidinslinger/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-02/20140209_132912_zpsksuluccy.jpg~original (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/sidinslinger/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-02/20140209_132912_zpsksuluccy.jpg.html)

[tnaz]

That's what I want. How do you like it so far? Have you shot any of the other r92s to compare to your 24" barrel?

Thanks for sharing the cool pic and any more info,

tnaz

[Pereira]

Had it for a few years now, and wouldn't trade it for anything.
Few accurate, more so than I am thats fer sure.
Mostly shoot 158 gr. and 180 gr lead.

Not shot any other m92's,
but I think the 16" model would be handy
and make fer a good truck gun.

[Pereira]

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[jmort]

Last I looked, the .357 Remlins were back on the menu.

[tnaz]

Sweet Pic's, that rifle takes good ones! Hey, thanks for the info. I really like the 20" and 24". I can see where the shorter version would be easier for a truck ride a long.

tnaz

[tnaz]

Not around here. Been checking Buds and they had not been able to get me one either??? I found one 20" ss rossi round barrel last week in my neck of the woods. Guy wanted $600.00.

Thanks for the info,

tnaz


Last I looked, the .357 Remlins were back on the menu.