ohland
06-26-2015, 08:55 PM
Another blast from the past, the 308268 / 311268.
Iron Age, page 63, June 9, 1904
https://books.google.com/books?id=aOccAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA21-PA63&dq=hudson+ideal+bullet&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RsGNVa_lO4vcoASilZWgCg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=hudson%20ideal%20bullet&f=true
142983 Hudson .30-40 U.S. Bullet
The bullet here illustrated is put on the market by the Ideal Mfg. Company, New Haven, Conn. It is a modification of the Hudson bullet, No. 308,256. It is 1-16 inch shorter over all. The point is shaped after the pattern of the U.M.C. Thomas bullet. The length of the bullet from under the band C is exactly the same; the middle groove is filled, thus securing greater weight at the base and presenting more surface, which increases the grip on the rifling; the front band C is precisely the same as in No. 308,256. The Ideal dirt catcher is retained. The weight of this bullet when cast from pure lead is about 200 grains, and which the alloy of 10 per cent antimony, 10 per cent tin and 80 per cent lead, which mixture is recommended, the bullet will be about 170 grains, which, it is stated, is really the same as the regular factory middle range bullet, 180 grains. The new bullet will be designated in the Ideal Hand Book as No. 308,268.
[ed. shows up as 311268 and refers back to 311256 in '58 HCB] PS. 311256 TP is 465, 311268 TP is 467, or so the HCB says...
PPS. "U.M.C. Thomas bullet"????
Western Field, vol 12, No. 1, Feb 1908
"The Marlin Company originated the .32-40, probably the best all round calibre ever produced, but they are not an ammunition company. The U. M. C. Co., one of the most progressive of the different makers of ammunition, produced the famous Hudson-Thomas bullet, used by the winning American rifle team, but this bullet was not designed by them, merely executed."
American Rifleman, vol 65, No. 10 May 31, 1919 (Arms and the Man)
"The 172-grain Remington U. M. C. Thomas pointed bullet also makes a splendid target load for the Krag, when using the same powder load."
Sporting arms of the world - Page 197
"The man who designed this cartridge was William Morgan Thomas, better known as U.M.C. Thomas because he designed so many successful bullets and cartridges for U.M.C. and then for Remington U.M.C. "
Arms and the Man - Volume 56 - Page 204 1914
The busy mind of our friend "U.M.C." Thomas set to work on a new- idea and he evolved the now famous Thomas round nosed bullet which made its first appearance about 1902. The improved accuracy given by this bullet was so astounding ...
Recreation, vol 21, 1904
"The later production of the 30-40 Krag full power ammunition is certainly far superior to the earlier product. For the perfection of the shell and primer thanks are due the U. S. officers at Frankford Arsenal; and the Lafiiti & Rand Powder Co. is entitled to credit for the W. A. 30 caliber powder. For the perfection of the bullet, credit must be given expert riflemen, such as William Hayes, W. G. Hudson, and others. The first move in that direction resulted in the Thomas bullet. The next was the Hayes & Hudson bullet; then the Ideal cast bullet, 308,268, for short and medium range, all of which are embodiments of old and well known laws of ballistics and tend to verify the saying of Solomon the Wise, "There is nothing new under the sun.""
Iron Age, page 63, June 9, 1904
https://books.google.com/books?id=aOccAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA21-PA63&dq=hudson+ideal+bullet&hl=en&sa=X&ei=RsGNVa_lO4vcoASilZWgCg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=hudson%20ideal%20bullet&f=true
142983 Hudson .30-40 U.S. Bullet
The bullet here illustrated is put on the market by the Ideal Mfg. Company, New Haven, Conn. It is a modification of the Hudson bullet, No. 308,256. It is 1-16 inch shorter over all. The point is shaped after the pattern of the U.M.C. Thomas bullet. The length of the bullet from under the band C is exactly the same; the middle groove is filled, thus securing greater weight at the base and presenting more surface, which increases the grip on the rifling; the front band C is precisely the same as in No. 308,256. The Ideal dirt catcher is retained. The weight of this bullet when cast from pure lead is about 200 grains, and which the alloy of 10 per cent antimony, 10 per cent tin and 80 per cent lead, which mixture is recommended, the bullet will be about 170 grains, which, it is stated, is really the same as the regular factory middle range bullet, 180 grains. The new bullet will be designated in the Ideal Hand Book as No. 308,268.
[ed. shows up as 311268 and refers back to 311256 in '58 HCB] PS. 311256 TP is 465, 311268 TP is 467, or so the HCB says...
PPS. "U.M.C. Thomas bullet"????
Western Field, vol 12, No. 1, Feb 1908
"The Marlin Company originated the .32-40, probably the best all round calibre ever produced, but they are not an ammunition company. The U. M. C. Co., one of the most progressive of the different makers of ammunition, produced the famous Hudson-Thomas bullet, used by the winning American rifle team, but this bullet was not designed by them, merely executed."
American Rifleman, vol 65, No. 10 May 31, 1919 (Arms and the Man)
"The 172-grain Remington U. M. C. Thomas pointed bullet also makes a splendid target load for the Krag, when using the same powder load."
Sporting arms of the world - Page 197
"The man who designed this cartridge was William Morgan Thomas, better known as U.M.C. Thomas because he designed so many successful bullets and cartridges for U.M.C. and then for Remington U.M.C. "
Arms and the Man - Volume 56 - Page 204 1914
The busy mind of our friend "U.M.C." Thomas set to work on a new- idea and he evolved the now famous Thomas round nosed bullet which made its first appearance about 1902. The improved accuracy given by this bullet was so astounding ...
Recreation, vol 21, 1904
"The later production of the 30-40 Krag full power ammunition is certainly far superior to the earlier product. For the perfection of the shell and primer thanks are due the U. S. officers at Frankford Arsenal; and the Lafiiti & Rand Powder Co. is entitled to credit for the W. A. 30 caliber powder. For the perfection of the bullet, credit must be given expert riflemen, such as William Hayes, W. G. Hudson, and others. The first move in that direction resulted in the Thomas bullet. The next was the Hayes & Hudson bullet; then the Ideal cast bullet, 308,268, for short and medium range, all of which are embodiments of old and well known laws of ballistics and tend to verify the saying of Solomon the Wise, "There is nothing new under the sun.""