locked threads

[rancher1913]

maybe its just me but when I see a locked thread I have to open the last page and see all the drama that brought on the lock. sometimes it can be helpful to sort out the good posters from the "deep end" posters and keep the names handy when you get replies to questions, helps me filter the advice down the road.

you can always tell the better sites because the moderators do a good job of stopping the pissing matches, keep up the thankless job moderators and I don't envy you one bit.

[JSnover]

Sometimes I check them out, for the same reason. Often I find the same cast of characters or the same negative drift. There are a couple of topics that almost always seem to get locked.

[jmort]

There are far less locked threads now than I have seen in the last 4 1/2 years. JSnover has twice that perspective so he may add to this.

[Char-Gar]

There are two kinds of locked threads;

First there are the gun and reloading related threads. This happen when people get so married to their understanding of a topic they feel the need to defend it to the extreme. Sooner or later, these folks run out of arguments and information to back up their positions and turn to personal invective. That is when the threads get locked and for good reason. That does not mean that one or both of the sides are either right or wrong, it just means they can't accept the fact that others might hold a different point of view.

Second, there are the locked political and religious threads. These areas don't have many objective facts than can be proven or disproved. They are mostly emotionally based opinions and as such turn nasty pretty quickly. These things have to get REAL nasty before they are locked. Ordinary nasty is not enough. When one goes into these topics, there is an implied consent to be the recipient of some level of nasty.

All in all the Moderators exercise good judgment about when the lock goes on. But I would not let the lock decide who is or who is not worthy of listening to. Judge that by the total body of their posting and your own good common sense.

[JSnover]

I really didn't pay much attention to them until the last year but I saw some pretty nasty arguments in the early days.

[JSnover]

All in all the Moderators exercise good judgment about when the lock goes on. But I would not let the lock decide who is or who is not worthy of listening to. Judge that by the total body of their posting and your own good common sense.
Id agree with that. The lock icon doesn't get my attention as much the user ID of the OP or the last commenter.

[ohland]

There are two kinds of locked threads;

First there are the gun and reloading related threads.

I locked a thread after I got some .303 Savage brass. In my case, I didn't want people to wonder if I got brass. YMMV

[Dframe]

[QUOTE=Char-Gar;3260779]There are two kinds of locked threads;

First there are the gun and reloading related threads. This happen when people get so married to their understanding of a topic they feel the need to defend it to the extreme. Sooner or later, these folks run out of arguments and information to back up their positions and turn to personal invective. That is when the threads get locked and for good reason. That does not mean that one or both of the sides are either right or wrong, it just means they can't accept the fact that others might hold a different point of view. }

These are the people I look for in the locked threads. Those who will NOT accept a differing opinon. We have a few here

[blackthorn]

In my opinion, we are so very fortunate here on Cast Boolits to have been provided with "Our Town" and "The Pit" where (within reason) almost anything goes! There is so much knowledge and information shared on this site, (often not subject specific) as to boggle the mind! We are truly a family friendly site and in my opinion we are the best of the best around. My hat is off to the moderators for the excellent work they do!!

[Char-Gar]

In my opinion, we are so very fortunate here on Cast Boolits to have been provided with "Our Town" and "The Pit" where (within reason) almost anything goes! There is so much knowledge and information shared on this site, (often not subject specific) as to boggle the mind! We are truly a family friendly site and in my opinion we are the best of the best around. My hat is off to the moderators for the excellent work they do!!

Everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but the PIT is a bad idea. Very few of the denizens there can argue and not get mad and become personal. They get heavily emotional invested in their position and strife and animus is generated there.

The strife and animus from the PIT carries over to the general board and form the seeds of much strife on the general board. What happens in the PIT does not stay in the PIT.

It is hard to respect the opinions of somebody on any issue once they have repeatedly proved themselves to be uniformed idiots in the PIT.

[Love Life]

Ibtl!

[Love Life]

Being a grown up, I go in the pit when I choose to, and I stay out of the pit when I choose to.

I literally laugh out loud when someone posts how they are forced at gunpoint to enter the pit (or any thread with a subject matter they find distasteful), and how they wish the forum owner would get rid of the pit or other thread/forum that created an offense upon their person.

[M-Tecs]

I am on the other side of the fence. I think the PIT is a very good idea. I do agree that some of the opinions of the OP's do carry over outside the PIT, however, with all the other forums that I am a member of that don't have a PIT the PIT type opinions get inserted throughout the forum or it's regulated to the point it is a dead forum with very little usage.


The subject matter here is the same as the Cast Bullet Association forum but why does Cast Boolits have 38,046 members and Cast Bullet Association 4,148 member. It is simply because Cast Boolits is more interesting and the PIT is a large part of making Cast Boolits more interesting.

[JSnover]

I am on the other side of the fence. I think the PIT is a very good idea. I do agree that some of the opinions of the OP's do carry over outside the PIT, however, with all the other forums that I am a member of that don't have a PIT the PIT type opinions get inserted throughout the forum or it's regulated to the point it is a dead forum with very little usage.


The subject matter here is the same as the Cast Bullet Association forum but why does Cast Boolits have 38,046 members and Cast Bullet Association 4,148 member. It is simply because Cast Boolits is more interesting and the PIT is a large part of making Cast Boolits more interesting.
Second that.
We pretty much have to have a Pit or something like it. Some people don't know how offensive they are (and their threads can be moved there) and others don't care, but at least they have the option to post in an appropriate spot. Anyone who can't figure it out gets banned or locked up.
It may not be perfect but it is working well enough.

[rush1886]

I live on this side of that fence. I frequent Cast Boolits for the knowledge, but do enjoy being a people watcher (?) !. For myself, everything in the Pit is to be taken with whatever salt your palette prefers.


I am on the other side of the fence. I think the PIT is a very good idea. I do agree that some of the opinions of the OP's do carry over outside the PIT, however, with all the other forums that I am a member of that don't have a PIT the PIT type opinions get inserted throughout the forum or it's regulated to the point it is a dead forum with very little usage.


The subject matter here is the same as the Cast Bullet Association forum but why does Cast Boolits have 38,046 members and Cast Bullet Association 4,148 member. It is simply because Cast Boolits is more interesting and the PIT is a large part of making Cast Boolits more interesting.

[Char-Gar]

I am on the other side of the fence. I think the PIT is a very good idea. I do agree that some of the opinions of the OP's do carry over outside the PIT, however, with all the other forums that I am a member of that don't have a PIT the PIT type opinions get inserted throughout the forum or it's regulated to the point it is a dead forum with very little usage.


The subject matter here is the same as the Cast Bullet Association forum but why does Cast Boolits have 38,046 members and Cast Bullet Association 4,148 member. It is simply because Cast Boolits is more interesting and the PIT is a large part of making Cast Boolits more interesting.

Your position is predicated on the assumption that a board with 38,046 members is better or preferable to a board with 4,148 members. I hold the opinion that while size may matter in some thing, it is not an asset when it comes to internet gun boards.

[M-Tecs]

Your position is predicated on the assumption that a board with 38,046 members is better or preferable to a board with 4,148 members. I hold the opinion that while size may matter in some thing, it is not an asset when it comes to internet gun boards.

I do agree with that to a point. Whatever forum it is I an only really interested in the people that know more than I do. At times I will have items of value to add (as will almost everyone else) but I mostly try to learn. The balance between allowing the idiots to drive the true experts away and locking the forum down so much that know one is interested in contributing is a very fine line. We do very well here. People will always disagree. Keeping that in the PIT is a good thing.

[Char-Gar]

I do agree with that to a point. Whatever forum it is I an only really interested in the people that know more than I do. At times I will have items of value to add (as will also everyone else) but I mostly try to learn. The balance between allowing the idiots to drive the true experts away and locking the forum down so much that know one is interested in contributing is a very fine line. We do very well here. People will always disagree. Keeping that in the PIT is a good thing.

There are a variety of reason that truly knolweable people move away, but there are two big ones that I know of and you stated one.

Folks who know what they are talking about quickly grow tired of being challenged and disputed by some folks who doesn't know his primer from his case head.

Also knowledgeable folks just get tired of the same basic question asked for the 6,000th time. I guess kindergarten needs teachers, but it does get tiresome to some.

This board is so large, it gets to be work to separate the signal from the noise.

[No_1]

Before the PIT we had that junk in every area of the forum. We tried to prune it back but ended up locking too many good threads. The PIT was created to keep that crud to one small portion of the board so those that wish to learn about casting can do so in a more inviting environment. Not too long ago when the PIT got way out of hand I almost deleted it but after consulting the Moderators and removing a few folks (trouble makers) ability to visit/post in the PIT things calmed down to an acceptable level.

[JSnover]

The Pit is a fairly effective feature, like a sump for sludge or a crankcase breather to keep pressure from building in the wrong place.

[rancher1913]

char-gar have to agree with you---Folks who know what they are talking about quickly grow tired of being challenged and disputed by some folks who doesn't know his primer from his case head.

while lurking here and reading posts to see if it was worth joining I noticed that alot of the answers I was looking for had been posted years ago. to all you old timers I can only say "thanks"

[BrassMagnet]

Maybe someday I will visit the pit.
I doubt I have even visited half of the site so far. There is just so much info here it is truly mind boggling!

[smoked turkey]

I have left nothing in the pit and I don't plan to go there to find it. As Clint Eastwood said "a mans gotta know his limitations" and I know mine. Too much to enjoy here in the places I do visit. For me the pit would just taint the good side of the forum. To each his own. I certainly do agree that the Moderators do a fantastic job keeping things more or less civil.

[fryboy]

for sheer orneriness ....

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?208-Frequently-Asked-Questions

every thread is locked - and no ummm he said she said stuff or other "i'm better than you" type arguments etc ;)

eg; not every locked thread was/is a contest to see who could be the most ummm [insert proper wording/terminology here ] something

i like the premise behind the pit , i also like the fact that non-members can not see it yet i also wish folks would read and heed the simple part of the big red letters ( "If you are offended, stay out " ) , it does remind me in some ways of the lil johnny jokes - tell lil johnny NOT to do something and the first thing he does ...

[Bzcraig]

I do frequent the pit on occasion and like all things in life, something can be learned there more often than not. One thing I learned was how to use the 'ignore' feature. In my opinion, and as already mentioned, some folks just can't help themselves and say extremely derogatory things on a personal level that, again my opinion, crosses moral and ethical lines that invalidates anything they have to say because I simply have no respect for them. Just my $.02

[TXGunNut]

I don't bother with the Pit, too many other places around here where I can learn something or have a good conversation. I've posted on a few threads that wound up there but for me life's too short to spend time in the Pit.

[rancher1913]

ok, you guys got me curious about the pit but I can't find it. am I just dumb or is my post count not high enough or something like that.

[Nueces]

Rancher, this is a quote from the banner heading of The Pit forums: Same rule applies as S&S 30 days and 25 posts before access is allowed.

[Red River Rick]

ok, you guys got me curious about the pit but I can't find it. am I just dumb or is my post count not high enough or something like that.

If you do end up going into the "PIT", and particpating in any one of the "Wonderful" topics discussed there, and you get your feelings hurt......................don't say you weren't warned!

RRR

[M-Tecs]

I love the pit------and I never get my feelings hurt, but the wife says I have no feelings!!!!!!!!!

[jmort]

^ Pretty much the same here.

[NavyVet1959]

The Pit is the next best thing to USENET.

[Cmm_3940]

First rule of USENET - NEVER talk about USENET.

[rancher1913]

thanks, that's what I thought. don't think I'd participate but you know what they say about train wrecks.