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winchester85
05-13-2015, 10:30 PM
is there any place someone can go these days and disappear? permanently? or close to it?

i know, north. but really, can you disappear without being hassled? i can read maps just fine, but how do you know if the spot you have chosen is really one that no one will track you to? how can you tell by maps if there is frequent hunter or tourist traffic?

country gent
05-13-2015, 10:38 PM
The fiorst thing is to get off the grid. No checks, bank accounts, credit cards, cell phones or other gear accounts. Then travel is done completly by cash and auto. The last few hundred miles by horse back into the wilderness. If done correctly with a name change into a remote area out west is pretty secure move. So long as no electronic or paper trails are left.

quilbilly
05-13-2015, 10:39 PM
Long term is tough in the Lower 48 but if you are talking about just a few weeks (long vacation away from people) or months, that might be doable. How many modern amenities do you want? With socialist/statists finally taking over, more and more will be driven by gov't regulators to the underground gray economy using cash only just like in Europe. As the gray economy grows, disappearing in plain sight becomes easier.

winchester85
05-13-2015, 10:44 PM
not looking for a vacation.

willing to give up nearly everything.

onceabull
05-13-2015, 11:13 PM
Investigate area off the road running W.from US 95 through Denio.NV.and Fields,Or. to Lakeview ,Or. Avoid the Named Larger ranches, ride away from marked roads finding areas with enough yearlong water to sustain you, but not enough to encourage cattle grazing.( get Maps of active BLM grazing lands under contract.) start early to be ready for your first winter there--IT WILL BE A TEST.... Onceabull

HarryT
05-13-2015, 11:20 PM
French Foreign Legion, Australian Outback, Aruba,...

rbertalotto
05-13-2015, 11:21 PM
There is a town just north of Belize central America where SOF wrote an article a few years ago as a place to go to disappear. My wife and I visited it by accident a few years ago while on vacation in Mexico. Very scary place!

MBTcustom
05-13-2015, 11:32 PM
Sure. Move across the street, pay cash for the house, use a land line, ditch your computer, stay out of debt, and pay your taxes. Totally invisible for all intents and purposes. Hiding in plain site.
Helps if you sell your SUV and buy a Nissan Stanza.

smokeywolf
05-13-2015, 11:34 PM
The main trick is to find a place to live or stay where no one else wants to live or stay. That means you have to find a place that is about as hospitable as the Moon. Then, you have to do everything that country gent advises, plus, make sure the vehicle used to get to your horses does not have a cell phone or GPS unit in it.

jsizemore
05-13-2015, 11:35 PM
Keep moving to maintain your anonymity.

MBTcustom
05-13-2015, 11:44 PM
Nissan Stanza: most innocuous car in the history of mankind. My brother owned one of these cars when we were room mates. If you're looking for urban camouflage, this car is it. Even terrorists hate the thought of using this car for even the most off the cuff type of suicide bombing. (even terrorists hate the idea of dying in total obscurity. This car could blow up and no one would notice!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPWJpI99pVI

osteodoc08
05-13-2015, 11:45 PM
Rugged Canada or Alaska, but even then you'll come across people. Mexico and S. America are also options depending on the level of excitement needed. Probably end up dead pretty soon down there id suppose and no one would be the wiser.

TXGunNut
05-13-2015, 11:49 PM
It all depends on what you're running away from. I'd be more inclined to hide in plain sight, a tenderfoot trying to make it in the boonies will attract more attention than someone minding their own business in a big city.
You've already made one huge mistake, you've announced to the world that you're thinking about rabbitting. If you have good reason for doing so you probably won't get to make another. IF there's someone looking for you its going to be someone who does this for a living, all day, every day. I hope this is just a hypothetical question.

Garyshome
05-13-2015, 11:55 PM
"Helps if you sell your SUV and buy a Nissan Stanza."
+1

Lead Fred
05-14-2015, 12:01 AM
Drive to the middle of Montana, and go north. In a couple of days/weeks, you wont see a soul

I live just outside the Elbe Nat'l forest. Within an hour, I can be nowhere

ol skool
05-14-2015, 01:07 AM
I don't think you can squat in the lower 48 for very long and get away with it. Permanent digs, poaching and a warming/cook fire will eventually attract someones attention.

The 2 viable strategies here both require country gents suggestions. Either keep moving or find a care-taker job for someones cabin in some forsaken piece of desolation.

onceabull gave away my ideal retirement settlement. I want a little shack within a few hours of the Steens that I can hole up in till my maker brings me home. Problem is SWMBO says she needs access to a library. Dang old hippy chicks... Might have to settle for Paisley instead.

Col4570
05-14-2015, 01:12 AM
Dig a Hole,put a roof on it and only go out after dark avoiding Street Lights etc.Wear Dark Clothing.Eat Roadkill and Hedgerow greenery.At Night visit Restaurant Dumpsters for Protein.Raid Clotheslines,bathe in the River or a clandestine visit to someones Pool.Lay in a good supply of Razors so that if you are glimpsed in the dark you look normal.Practice conversation by talking to yourself or the ability might go.[smilie=w:

waksupi
05-14-2015, 02:10 AM
The Yak country in far NW Montana is a good hideout. There are quite a few wanted outlaws up in that country, the law enforcement just leave alone. They figure they have exiled theirselves, and as long as they stay out of sight, they aren't going to hunt them down for anything short of murder.

Keep in mind, if you go into an area like that and irritate the locals, you could really really disappear, permanently.

wildwilly
05-14-2015, 02:29 AM
Got just the place for ya......"The Slabs", a few miles north of Niland, Kalifornia. Many of the inhabitants are Mad Max type characters living on the ragged edge.

quickdraw66
05-14-2015, 02:32 AM
Well, if you don't mind the cold there is always Alaska. There's a lot of uninhabited land up there, and for good reason.

375supermag
05-14-2015, 06:25 AM
Apparently, there is a place where I work where people can vanish for up to eight hours every day. No one ever sees them from the time they come to "work" until quitting time.
And then, like magic, they just re-appear. Poof!

GhostHawk
05-14-2015, 09:05 AM
Well if someone is chasing you for some reason, good luck.

Best to resolve that and then slip quietly away.

The farther north you go the more thinly populated it is.
Most people who are there are either Indian, or grew up there.
As the populations get smaller, everyone knows everyone.
So a new white man camping out at X spot gets known by anyone.

If you really want to hide, stay in the city. It is easier to do everything in cash and stay off the grid.

Trying to do everything in cash up in this country will get you noticed quick.

It really comes down to is someone really after you for a legitimate reason? Jumped bail, broke the law, owe money, screwed someone's wife who turned out to be rich and powerful. It really doesn't matter. If they want you enough to keep hunting, you won't escape long term.

Most people can not totally change who/what they are. They won't change their daily habits, how they do things. The food they like, what they like to drink, etc.And those are the things that will get you caught.

Last, most people do not have the mindset to survive up north. Any decision that is not conservative and careful will kill you, maybe now, maybe later, but dead just the same. Risk taking, corner cutting, unwillingness to work hard just to stay alive another year will end you. The further north you go the worse it is.

Good luck

snowwolfe
05-14-2015, 11:12 AM
This is coming from the guy who builds million dollar homes in Colorado? Wow, quite a switch from a few weeks ago when you had the summer already planned out and needed workers.

Anyhow, even in Alaska I don't think you can disappear. It is illegal to build a cabin on BLM or state land. And if you buy land then there is a record of the property. If you cross over at the borders you need a passport so another record is created as well. Same as buying a vehicle or having a drivers license. No matter how remote you went sooner or later you would need supplies flown in or need to fly out for medical care. People talk, and sooner or later people would be wondering who is that guy.

About the only way a person could succeed is to have fake papers made up with a new identity and use nothing but cash. I am sure it could be done but suspect no matter what a good blood hound could track you down.

dragon813gt
05-14-2015, 11:30 AM
You can easily disappear in NYC. Stay in a disaster of a hotel w/ weekly rates where they don't care who you are. Pay for everything in cash and use public transportation. Of course all the facial recognition cameras will see you daily. But it's easy to hide in a mass of people compared to the remote wilderness.

xman777
05-14-2015, 11:35 AM
So I'd start by not asking questions on a public online forum (IN WRITING)
Contact your utilities, tell em they misspelled your name and change it slightly. Make each one subtly different. Call em again in a month and change it even more.
Get multiple burn phones.
Pay in cash
Get out of Debt
Get disposable credit cards for those times you cant pay in cash
Forward your mail to a mail forwarding service that forwards it to another service that forwards that to your PO Box that is no less than 100 miles from your new destination.
Forward your old phone numbers to a domestic violence hotline
Get a name established I'm not going into detail here but a walk in the cemetery may help.
get a PO Box in that name
Send for an ID
Once you get the ID you're almost there...... New credit cards, new JOB etc...
Any questions?

Beagle333
05-14-2015, 11:38 AM
You can live nearly anywhere as long as you rent something from somebody out in the country and that rent includes utilities. Just pay cash for your rent and nothing is in your name. You still get power/water/cable and no hassles. If you were a wanted person, it would get harder, because if you drove anywhere..... every now and again everybody has to go through a roadblock/check point.

jmort
05-14-2015, 11:40 AM
Disappearing from the NSA/FBI/whatever is difficult/impossible depending on how much they want you. Disappearing from people is easy. Buy a property for cash in the name of an LLC with offshore directors and agent. Have no bank accounts and register cars in name of LLC. Have no external connections bills/phone etc. as noted in this thread. You have disappeared. Check out Nevada123.com. My LLC directorship goes to Panama and gets worse from there for those who want to get at any LLC assets. Biggest problem is the LLC bank account, it sticks out.There are a number of ways to do the LLC in terms of New Mexico versus Nevada versus wherever to set up the LLC.

DR Owl Creek
05-14-2015, 11:53 AM
Get married. That way, there'll be at least one person who will never notice you, or hear what you say again...

Dave

Idaho Mule
05-14-2015, 01:00 PM
Fake papers, North Korea, piss off a guy named Kim. JW

ole 5 hole group
05-14-2015, 01:39 PM
To fall off the grid, one needs to have fake identification secured by yourself or made by yourself and more money in cash than God. If you have one but not the other - no way can it be done.

As others have said, best way is to be in the city - not in a rural outpost/area.

Once established, violate no laws or work at any establishments/departments requiring fingerprints.

If no one gives a rat's **** about you - you can accomplish your desire. If someone really wants your **** and has either the time or money - maybe both, you should be able to skate for 5 to 30 years but normally they will come calling one day.

Being sick of people to include your significant other - is no reason to give up your life, as all you're doing is cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you just want out and want to stay out - move to an isolated area where your skill level will make a living for you and enjoy your "new" life - if you don't have the necessary skills to provide for your needs - better acquire them before leaving your security blanket or you will be one sorry individual for a long period of time. Think about it.

starmac
05-14-2015, 02:39 PM
There are places in Alaska and other states that you can go without being hassled as long as you are somewhat abiding by the laws or not stepping on others toes, but even in the remotest places of Alaska, others will know you are there. To disappear would be tough, at least in this country.
To live off the land here is more of a dream than a reality, it still takes MONEY and quite a bit of it, especially to get started.

NoAngel
05-14-2015, 03:08 PM
To disappear is not easy but doable. If you're not doing it for nefarious reasons, it's a LOT easier. Step one, make a plan. Decide where you wanna go. When you do go, leave EVERYTHING behind. Buy a new toothbrush and get digging. Anything identifiable to YOU needs to go. #2, Make a change. A complete wardrobe change. If you're a hat person, never wear one again and vice/versa. Hair, style, everything. Even your gait. Change the way you walk, talk, smile, EVERYTHING...and..STICK TO IT!!! Never talk about your past life and don't lie. Unless you're an extremely skilled liar, you will catch yourself in your own liars web. Just mind you business and politely insist others do the same. POLITELY. Don't draw attention to yourself.
#3, you really need to do your homework on this one, but..Set up a either a business or a trust when you arrive at your new home. Pay all your bills from that trust or business account. It won't be immediately traceable to you and as long as you're keeping your head down and not moving lots of money at a time, no one will have a reason to look into it. If your name is George McGillicutty, then credit cards, debit cards and checks are easily traceable to that name were a person looking for you. If your cards and checks said Galena Trust or Linotype Industries LLC then unless you've divulged your idea to someone, it won't show up on a search because name is only indirectly associated with it. It won't be on anything easily accessible.

First and foremost though, delete this and all other internet conversations, posts, etc. and NEVER discuss this again. If you are really polite a moderator might even delete this thread all together. Get to where you wanna be and STFU. Never talk about anything. Take this Lynyrd Skynyrd for gospel; I don't ask you 'bout yo bizness, don't ask me about mine. Don't ask me no questions and I won't send you away. If you wanna talk fishin', well I guess that'll be OK.

Good luck!!

sundog
05-14-2015, 03:16 PM
Fixin' to pull a D. B. Cooper?

RogerDat
05-14-2015, 03:33 PM
Seems to me disappearing is different than hiding. One can go someplace where one does not expect you to be and becoming someone with a new name and new "life". Of course that means giving up all connections to your old life. You have not disappeared, you just won't generally be found unless you failed to cover your tracks or blow your own cover. People will know you exist, you are "Jim Smith" work as a ...... (something totally different than old profession) Live in the blue house on blah street. Witness protection works like that.

Disappearing into the wilderness while possible for a period of time probably won't work indefinitely. Sooner or later you will need supplies, even the mountain men brushed up against civilization a few times a year for supplies and to sell furs. Subsistence living or "going native" is possible but the natives tended to have a village, few were totally solitary. Banishment from tribe was the equivalent of the death penalty without starting a blood feud by killing the person.

Couple of things came right to mind. The guy who died in a bus in Alaska, probably from eating the wrong plants while starving and trapped by flooded river. Unaware of bridge just a few miles further along the river. The other is one of the earliest hominid skeletons found in Africa, we know what he died of. A toothache. There is bone and tooth damage such as one gets from a badly abscessed tooth and no trauma to the skeleton that would indicate being attacked or munched on by animals. I love the wild places, I also like coffee & salt & decent medical care. Like having a flashlight with batteries when it is dark and new toothbrush once in a while. I can live for awhile on a pack with very little, or with enough money could make a mostly self sufficient place, grow the right crops, use solar panels etc. What I don't really want to do is go back to living like a cave man in solitude. Woman can be a pain to have around but snuggling with a rock is not that much fun.

If someone with nation state type resources is looking for you eventually you will be found. Who was that ex Boston mobster they finally found, had a bunch of cash hidden in the wall. Bolger or something like that. Passed himself off as an old retired guy. You can lose the ex-girlfriend and her family that are stalking you if you move to Cleveland and change your name. She and her family won't get an alert if you get arrested for something minor or show up as a facial recognition hit on some video tape. The FBI, Secret Service or NSA will get that alert if they are looking for you.

Have to question the mental health or legal situation of anyone that thinks that disappearing is a desirable option. If you are shall we say "odd" enough that you want to dig a hole in the side of a hill and live off the land, good luck with that, don't think you will be sadly missed at the next neighborhood block party. Seems to me lawyer would be more reasonable for the second, unless you know you are going down because you are guilty, then maybe you should face the music. Of course there could be something to be said for going deep into the wilderness, dying and becoming an unsolved disappearance like DB Cooper. May I suggest a crack in the rock, pull other rocks in after you, do this before starvation makes you too weak. That way you still die but the buzzards and coyotes don't get you as a free meal. Worms and rodents.... well they gotta eat too, right?

bhn22
05-14-2015, 04:33 PM
It has to be doable. We have more illegal aliens than their birth countries do. Say!!! Learn Spanish, work on a really great tan, and if anybody asks for identification, request asylum.

bikerbeans
05-14-2015, 04:59 PM
I am too old to run away or disappear. I would stand my ground and fight.

BB

Hogtamer
05-14-2015, 05:37 PM
turn yourself into ICE using the name pedro gonzalez. Tell them you were the victim of an attack by abusive border guards and have amnesia. They'll give you papers, prolly a home in say, idaho and send you a check every month.

Buck Neck It
05-14-2015, 05:40 PM
Read about the mad trapper of Rat River.

Hogtamer
05-14-2015, 05:50 PM
jimmy hoffa did it.

Hogtamer
05-14-2015, 05:52 PM
go to work for msnbc.

Hogtamer
05-14-2015, 05:54 PM
one of my state's senators did it too. I think he moved to d.c.

kiwi
05-14-2015, 07:32 PM
Change your name buy a 40 foot sail boat and head to the south pacific you have a million square miles to hide in the weather is warm there are thousands of islands the locals are use to boats popping in a couple of the island nations are tax havens no trouble hiding your cash if you want to visit a big city there is Australia and New Zealand english is spoken every were, guns could be a problem most places you hand them in on arrival and pick them up then you leave, just don't become a smuggler they are pretty good at finding them "years of practise" you could probably make a living trading fish a lot of the islanders don't fish but do grow fruit and vegetables and breed pigs, if you do go islander look me up

jmort
05-14-2015, 07:40 PM
People on the lamb on a boat are quickly discovered. If you are not wanted, I agree, you could disappear on a boat.

lakeparkv8
05-14-2015, 07:45 PM
Float house on some small river where you can wear shorts and eat fish. Grow vegetables in pots on board year round. The only problem is if you get old you will need medical help or medicine somewhere along the way. Sure sounds great to me!

dtknowles
05-14-2015, 08:54 PM
is there any place someone can go these days and disappear? permanently? or close to it?

i know, north. but really, can you disappear without being hassled? i can read maps just fine, but how do you know if the spot you have chosen is really one that no one will track you to? how can you tell by maps if there is frequent hunter or tourist traffic?

I could tell you but then they would know where to find you. ;-)

If you look at maps, the farther you get away from roads the less traffic and marked trails are bad too. The hammocks in big inaccessible swamps might not have see any traffic in centuries. Very few people have the skills or ability to go there and those that do would have no reason.

Tim

Lots to eat in swamps if you aren't too picky.

historicfirearms
05-14-2015, 09:12 PM
I have my eye on an island, and I'm not going to say where. If the stuff ever hits the fan we are going to load up in a Cessna and head off to disappear there.

MaryB
05-14-2015, 11:32 PM
Plenty of spots in Northern MN to fade into but nothing could be permanent. Have to live on the move using a wall tent(yes it can be done in mid winter and still be warmish.) Lot of land up there for sale to with nothing but a logging road to go in on and once snow hits nothing moves in and out.

Superfly
05-15-2015, 02:32 AM
Way to much air traffic up here Mary It wont work You need to go to the north about 400 miles and then you would be fine I would say some where around big trout lake ont Canada But you would die the first winter there I would say go underground.

MaryB
05-15-2015, 04:00 AM
Can hide easy enough from air recon. With modern spy sats every square foot of the planet is able to be photographed down to the foot with an exception for the poles maybe...

Lloyd Smale
05-15-2015, 08:03 AM
yup up here where I live the dnr covers about every square inch of the place by plane in deer season and your lucky if once the hunters invade you can find a 100 square feet without company and this place is considered pretty desolate.

salty dog
05-15-2015, 08:14 AM
52.418109, -83.817530

Either there or go someplace where nobody will bother chasing you, Ukraine comes to mind.

labdwakin
05-15-2015, 09:01 AM
gradual drawdown to anonymity

ShooterAZ
05-15-2015, 10:27 AM
There are places in Northern Arizona such as in the Grand Canyon where you can hide, and never be seen by anyone, ever. However, to live for an extended period of time you would certainly need to lay in provisions & food caches. There are people who do it.

NoAngel
05-15-2015, 10:42 AM
The OP didn't elaborate on his reasoning, no need to assume he meant disappear from civilization. I took it to mean he's likely disgusted with life in general and would like to see a total change. If any man says he ain't pondered that at least once in his life, he's a liar.

I'm curious though, the OP hasn't posted in two pages. Did he make a go at it? Good luck if you did!

Fergie
05-15-2015, 11:19 PM
Not having the patience to read through everything, my take is Patagonia. Plenty of "leave me alone" expats down there, and folks mind their own.

I'm talking South America, not AZ. And, you may find that ruca you've been looking for too.

MtGun44
05-16-2015, 01:25 AM
Go to high density population if you want to not be noticed. A friend was
a US Marshall in a thinly populated part of USA. He laughingly told me that
a couple times a year, some urban numbskull shows up "hiding out". Sticks out
like a sore thumb since everyone knows everyone else and has for their whole
lives. He would get a call from some other office, looking for a guy fitting a particular
description. He would ask around a few places and folks would say "Yeah, there was
a guy here two days ago, looked like that." Quickly, he knew exactly where the
guy was. People notice strangers more the smaller the town is. Nobody notices
a stranger in a huge city.

Urban area is WAY better to hide in, but fingerprints, etc make it pretty hard these
days.

Southern Son
05-16-2015, 05:41 AM
The OP didn't elaborate on his reasoning, no need to assume he meant disappear from civilization. I took it to mean he's likely disgusted with life in general and would like to see a total change. If any man says he ain't pondered that at least once in his life, he's a liar.

I'm curious though, the OP hasn't posted in two pages. Did he make a go at it? Good luck if you did!


Maybe he has gone??????????? There were alot of ideas...............

Lonegun1894
05-16-2015, 03:37 PM
Good academic exercise here, but actually doing it, well, I hope you planned for more than a few days. Regardless if this is a matter of running from the law, an ex-wife, or anything else, remember that most of us are creatures of habit. Ever hear the saying that the devil is in the details? It is those details that will get you found. Take some time and study up on the people who have actually tried this, and usually got caught. Most cases, it isn't some big glaring mistake that got them busted, but something tiny and "insignificant", like sending a Christmas card or getting stopped for not using a blinker while driving. And I wouldn't do it just cause I am familiar with Murphy's Law and Murphy has it out for me. Best of luck, but I say stay and fight, weather this is a legal court fight, a lousy job, a divorce, whatever.

starmac
05-16-2015, 04:14 PM
No replies, hopefully he didn't wait too long to dissapear.

LtFrankDrebbin
05-16-2015, 07:23 PM
Cool we might have another boat inbound for PM Abbot to "turn back!" :kidding: :wink:

West coast of Tassie if you like to shiver, Great Victoria Desert if you like thirst or the Kimberley region if you like to cook.
The most sensible though is heavy populated urban. Small towns will know your there and know all about you before you even get there. Darn bush telegraph is still effective.

mexicanjoe
05-16-2015, 10:53 PM
I am of Hispanic origin and speak Spanish fluently....on a small planet in a galaxy far,far away I made my living working undercover. I stayed in little towns and conducted undercover investigations and surveillance. If you halfway try you can disappear......with the help of a friend or two... My,phone # rang at my best friends garage... Unless you asked for Carlos he hung up!! He always took my messages and forwarded them. He was my willing accomplice who knew my every move, should the SHTF..with a little forethought you can obtain a new i.d. It just takes lots of prep work. Fnd a new hobby, read up on archived newspaper articles, to develope a believeable background, take up a transient lifestyle ie, truck driver , courier, .........the list is endless, the possibilities are numerous, Good luck...

Buck Neck It
05-16-2015, 11:57 PM
If you are a big 250# cracker who does not speak espanol, do not go to South America.

GabbyM
05-17-2015, 01:23 AM
Anywhere in the USA that is referred to as “rural”.

If all you wish is to live life unmolested. Simply find a place out in the fields or parries. Even if there are one hundred people living on the same square mile. If you politely inform them of your preference for solitude. You’ll never see them again even if you would at some point like to. They also will not consider you a bit strange. Odd perhaps.
To live on a rural site void of frequent passers by. All you need do is buy a place sited on a gravel road. Even if it’s a township road. Add to that a quarter mile driveway that runs over a hill so view of home is not within any public road. Your dead body could be laying in there for months before anyone noticed you were gone. I do Bio Forensic restoration and know of what I speak. I also live in Amish country here in Central Illinois. So while I have many neighbors in what is a densely populated setting to be called rural. My neighbors are a blessing not a curse. There are people around this part who do not seek out company of others. I do not personally see that as odd behavior. Nor any of my business. Am familiar with Southern Illinois, Southern Indiana and most of Missouri. Just not hard to be far removed from traffic noise. Mild winters to the point I call it no winter with horrible summer heat. Raising chickens and grazing animals is a no brainier for some simple protein in a diet. Sheep and goats are self sufficient. Hogs are to be had from the poor fellow down the road who is afflicted by the occupation. Last 300 pound hogs I purchases was $1.78 a pound live weight. I just hauled them to people who will butcher and eat such a disgusting animal.

We have two pairs of geese at our yards edge. They are nesting and we will be flush with goslings soon. My S.O. informs me I’ll not be shooting any of them for the pot. LOL she will be naming them all and hand feeding them even though they do not need any such attention. Country life is easy. Of course we live on forty acres. Land around here is valued at around fifteen thousand dollars per acre. I subside on an income of around five thousand dollars per year. My taxable income is zero. My Obama care penalty for having no health insurance is zero. If I fall ill I will die quietly and you nor anyone else outside my family will care. You will not receive a bill for my care. You will also not grasp title to any land I till or live on. As Hank Williams Jr. Sang. If you don’t like Hank Williams. You can just & . A.

Three acres of farm field is enough to feed yourself. In Illinois five acres is what it takes to be taxed and free to grow crop of choice. IIRC. If you are poor and looking for a way to go hide then not work. You are so out of luck. I personally work at least twelve hours per day. Six days per week. Have zero debt load. Looking at it that way sounds oppressive. However I think my life is idealist. Rural living means you will work all the time. No matter if you hire out or are a land owner. Thing is if you do what you love. You never work a day in your life. I’m 59 years old now. Worked most of my life in metal fab and machine shops. If a man gets his head out of his but and applies himself to the work he is blessed with. Things have a way of working out. Last twenty or so years here in the USA most manufacturing companies treat employees with such distain that I have little use for them. My advise would be to stay with small shops.

As soon as you set your mind off the idea the "government" AKA me and the rest of us, owe you a living then you are free. Makes zero difference where you live. Personal pleasure of your sunset view will be different but you are either free or not. If you live under the American Great New Society. You are having your life sucked out of you. Your location on the Longitude Latitude grid is irreverent.

GhostHawk
05-17-2015, 09:11 AM
Well Said Gabby!

doc1876
05-17-2015, 10:24 PM
My father disappeared in Tennessee. Totally stupid on his part how he got found, he filed for bankruptcy. I would have never found him.

MaryB
05-17-2015, 10:44 PM
True about living rural. I rented a house 2 miles off the blacktop on a dead end road. Only house in the middle of a mile section. 1/4 mile driveway back to the house and a tiny hill that hid anything going on in the yard. I had shooting parties out there and not one person ever complained. I had about 10 acres of grove plus an abandoned farm site across the road I had permission to hunt. Took a deer from it every year, and plenty of squirrels and rabbits.

Farmer sold it and new owner tore out most of the grove and made it impossible to heat in winter so I moved.

waksupi
05-18-2015, 12:35 AM
Hiding in a city does work. A guy I grew up with, was on the FBI most wanted list for 21 years, stayed on the run by moving from city to city. He finally turned himself in last fall, figuring he is too old to run any more.

Oreo
05-18-2015, 09:06 AM
I read some articles a while back about rich folks leaving the US as a way to protect (diversify) their wealth. It was mentioned that some nations will sell citizenship (passport) for something like $100k. Also that Brazil has a no-extradition policy written into their constitution. The US has tax law that governs leaving the country with too much cash but as least at the time leaving with physical gold was legal and untaxed as long as it was reported. The article advised following those laws.

Disappearing means different things to different folks. Edward Snowden hasn't exactly disappeared but he has managed to escape the long arm of US law, for a while at least.

Seek professional advice whatever you decide.