Would you carry if you employer paid a bonus?

[Handloader109]

HLN had a poll in response to a story of one small business paying employees $50 a month to carry a handgun while at work. Quite interested in that 76% said yes, 24% no. What would you do?

[rondog]

Give me their blessing AND pay me extra? Sure!

[Omega]

Yes, I would. But I carry whether I get a bonus or not, and Uncle Sam insisted many times.

[dilly]

I might even carry if I had to pay a fee for it. But I'm in a hospital so that would never happen.

One caveat though:
Scrubs do not provide the structural integrity required to hold up a gun.

I hate scrubs.

[Rick Hodges]

Haha, is there any question here? Seems like the employer would be taking on huge liability. I bet his insurance company will have a fit.

[runfiverun]

really wilco err wrong thread.

we wouldn't get any work done at the gun show, and for sure the prairie dog population would go down 1million percent.
but hey, money is money I'd have to suck it up and do my part.
I'd probably make a fortune selling [err bartering] reloaded ammo to the guy's.

[therealhitman]

I am the owner of my business and pay myself very well to carry. I even supply my own guns! As many as I want too! Some guys get company cars, bah humbug. I got that beat!

[dilly]

Wait, really can you use a tax write off for paying for your own security weapon if you own your own business?

[gwpercle]

I always wanted to be a "hired gun"!

There's a restaurant near here that gives a 10% discount to customer's who pack heat into their place. You can open carry or show them your concealed iron to receive the discount....pretty cool business practice! The owner and all the employes are free to open carry ! Funny, no one's EVER tried to rob the place.
Gary

[EMC45]

I don't get paid extra, but carry at work. I am required to.

[james nicholson]

Wow, free money!!

[merlin101]

Wait, really can you use a tax write off for paying for your own security weapon if you own your own business?

I used to write off ammo every year and a handgun every couple years when I drove an armoured car. The company required me to provide my own weapon/ammo and to be proficient with it so that equaled tax deduction!

[khmer6]

I always wanted to be a "hired gun"!

There's a restaurant near here that gives a 10% discount to customer's who pack heat into their place. You can open carry or show them your concealed iron to receive the discount....pretty cool business practice! The owner and all the employes are free to open carry ! Funny, no one's EVER tried to rob the place.
Gary

That's an awesome place to eat!!! Hahah. And the question... Well that's a no brainer! Pay me to carry sure!

[cliff55]

I carry and don't tell them.

[pworley1]

I carry when I feel the need. I am retired.

[Artful]

I might even carry if I had to pay a fee for it. But I'm in a hospital so that would never happen.

One caveat though:
Scrubs do not provide the structural integrity required to hold up a gun.

I hate scrubs.

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I've carried without letting my employer know - I have CCW lic so legal - I don't know I'd take the employer up on the offer until after I've see what happens with the other employee's - could just be a way to ID people of interest so to speak.

[Bzcraig]

Didn't vote because my option is not there, my employer knows I carry but does not pay extra for me to do so. If however they did, I wouldn't turn down some extra reloading money.

[jeepyj]

My employer likes the fact that I carry at work but I don't think I'm ever going so see an incentive to do it.
jeepyj

[RED333]

My boss allows carry as long as the customer does not mind, NO I do not ask the customer.

[427smith]

I retired from what was the Maytag company. No firearms or alcohol on company property not even in the trunk of your car. of course rules were broken.

[William Yanda]

Never happen. As a playground installer I find that the majority of the places I work, Public Schools, Daycares, etc that would get me escorted at least off premises and perhaps farther. /Even my folding utility knife with replaceable blades is illegal.

[therealhitman]

Wait, really can you use a tax write off for paying for your own security weapon if you own your own business?

Hmmmm...never thought of or asked my tax guy...it could be.
But wow. The possibilities would be endless!

[dragonrider]

When I worked (retired) I carried on many occaisions but not on my person, I had a Dillon range bag that I used fas my work bag, carried my lunch, gun, magazines for reading & feeding. Could not carry it on my person because it would have been seen in the lockeroom and lips to flap about things they have no business flapping about and I would have been fired instantly. So I kept it tucked away.

[Deadpool]

As long as the boss pays for the lawyer after I kill a robber when I'm sued by Sharpton for refusing to be a victim while non-coloured.

[Hickory]

If more then 50% of the employees carried a gun at work, I'd carry a bottle of ketchup.
When the shooting started, I'd slap some on my head and lay down.:bigsmyl2:

[Love Life]

I wish I could carry at work.

[Col4570]

The biggest danger is Isis type raiders who target a public place.Therefore for a number of citizens to carry makes good sense.Many of the acts committed could be nipped in the bud by responsible shooters.Whilst I realise that it sounds a bit like the wild west,the knowledge that there where armed people about may stop the fanatics.

[TXGunNut]

I think most insurance companies require or encourage a "no guns on the premises" policy and most businesses feel they have to comply.

[farmerjim]

I carry at work. I have shot several poisonous snakes in the fields. I also carry at the markets because I handle fair amounts of cash. I have never used my gun at the markets, but my wife did stop someone from robbing her after finishing at one of her antique markets.

[flyingmonkey35]

As I sit at my desk and type all day. Sure would but my employer as it stands now is very anti gun.

Corporate refuses to change the no gun in car policies. Even though Utah says I can.

But they also don't enforce it.

I follow the don't ask I won't tell. Policy

[GREENCOUNTYPETE]

actually In Wisconsin the employer accepts all the liability by posting , they can not be held liable for allowing carry , now they would have to creatively stipen you for practice ammo , costs incurred with carrying like the cost of your gun , cost of holsters , belts and such , much they way they do for telling you you have to have a cell phone with XYZ but they will stipen you $$ every pay check. they would probably be best to call it a clothing allowance.

regulating it might be an issue

my office does not post , but buried way down deep in that employee manual no one ever reads is a no weapons in the building , this happened a long time 20+ years before concealed carry became legal when there was an indecent with one employee assaulting the other , he used a company owned screw driver but all the same they wrote the clause cause it made some one feel better.

it's not worth loosing my job to carry when I am in the office 2-3 times a month so I don't , but they can not keep you from carrying in your personal vehicle even if using it for company business.

[waynem34]

I carry when I work, But it must be kept concealed always. Hard to do roofing and construction as it is. Costumers can't get to where I am anyway. I drive to all the jobs so there is a gun close at all times. Sweating causes some issue. What do you all do to help with sweat and dirt? I imagine many never break a sweat and don't have to worry about it.

[texaswoodworker]

As long as the boss pays for the lawyer after I kill a robber when I'm sued by Sharpton for refusing to be a victim while non-coloured.

Come to Texas. The family of a criminal (or the criminal should he live) cannot legally sue you if the shooting was justified.

[w5pv]

When I worked,I had a little .22 long rifle derringer that I carried at all times.I never told anyone that I had a gun on me and know of no knew that I was armed.You can do a lot of things just KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT and tell no one.Not even your mother or wife.I got involved with a law suit and you would be surprised at the tactics they will use trying to get information on you.They tried my wife,mother,son and neighbors trying to get information on whom I talked to on radio,they wanted this information to find out what I did on my spare time and if it was anything that they could use against the main person in the lawsuit.

[bob208]

can not do it in my state. if carrying on the job for pay would fall under act235. which would put me in the same class as cops and security gaurds. which would mean training and insurance.

[Deadpool]

employee manual no one ever reads is a no weapons in the building

I had a job where they had something like that in our contract, but worded "no weapons on premises." That includes the parking lot, so if I wanted to go to the range on my lunch I would have to park on the street. Somehow they felt safer by having cars with "no weapons known" 300 feet from the doors, vs cars with "unknown weapons" 350 feet from the doors. My hands and feet are trained weapons anyway, with lots of hand tools and a plethora of makeshift melee weapons available from anywhere in the office. Seemed quite ridiculous. It's all about making it safer for the criminals!

[khmer6]

I had a job where they had something like that in our contract, but worded "no weapons on premises." That includes the parking lot, so if I wanted to go to the range on my lunch I would have to park on the street. Somehow they felt safer by having cars with "no weapons known" 300 feet from the doors, vs cars with "unknown weapons" 350 feet from the doors. My hands and feet are trained weapons anyway, with lots of hand tools and a plethora of makeshift melee weapons available from anywhere in the office. Seemed quite ridiculous. It's all about making it safer for the criminals!

Employer tried to pull that on me a few years ago. I cited the law that prevents them from forbidding a firearm in a locked car even on parking lot owned by them. Their heads turned and the director went to consult with legal. Gotta love Arizona. Needless to say I've severed my relations with said employer

[crashguy]

If you are getting paid to carry a gun ... you are getting paid to potentially use that gun on their behalf.... my gun .. my(or my family's) protection.... if somebody else wants protection I suggest they spend money on a gun and not a gunman. For me, The time to protect those that are unwilling to protect themselves is over.

[waksupi]

If you are getting paid to carry a gun ... you are getting paid to potentially use that gun on their behalf.... my gun .. my(or my family's) protection.... if somebody else wants protection I suggest they spend money on a gun and not a gunman. For me, The time to protect those that are unwilling to protect themselves is over.

If I were working somewhere and an armed individual showed up with trouble in mind, I prefer to be armed, rather than to expect someone else to protect me. Works both ways.

[gcsteve]

There is no policy at my office with regard to firearms, and I'm not about to get one started. I'm not going to ask, and I'm not going to tell. That being said, I'm only in the office now and then. Most of my work is in government buildings in other states. Sadly, my unalienable and God given rights disappear when I chose to enter those places.

[Deadpool]

For me, The time to protect those that are unwilling to protect themselves is over.

Someone could be like that, and find you in a state of requiring an IFAK. And you don't have one, so he's not going to waste his on you. Meanwhile there's still an active threat he's not particularly interested in doing anything about because you're unarmed and "wounded for being unarmed."

So while you're not protecting those unwilling, you're still protecting them because you're protecting yourself. Because whatever they think, doesn't matter.

[bangerjim]

I AM the boss.......and the answer is a BiG FAT NO. No carry. No bonus.

[dragon813gt]

Nope, to much of a hazard on the job. While I can't stop an armed assailant at a distance. I am not w/out protection. Both in my pocket at all times and in my tool bag.

[bluelund79]

I carry, and would do so regardless of the incentive. Some just don't need to know either

[crashguy]

Someone could be like that, and find you in a state of requiring an IFAK. And you don't have one, so he's not going to waste his on you. Meanwhile there's still an active threat he's not particularly interested in doing anything about because you're unarmed and "wounded for being unarmed."

So while you're not protecting those unwilling, you're still protecting them because you're protecting yourself. Because whatever they think, doesn't matter.
My opinion was not open to debate...and you response was outside the scope of the OP's question. I will indulge you to the extent that I will tell this... I spent a large portion of my life protecting others. You chose to show your location as UNKNOWN.. well I live in NY.. people here are more likely to pull out a cell phone and video someone die than to have an IFAK. So.... I'll stick to my own guns and take my chances.

[Wayne Smith]

I carry at work and nobody pays me for it. My CEO asked me about it, and now she carries. The owner still practices and he carries. I think I started something.

[white eagle]

sure
ya never know when ISIS will roll up

[mold maker]

Sure I'd take the money, and never disclose that I had always carried.

[Lonegun1894]

I work two jobs. One is as a Peace Officer, so required to carry. The other is in a hospital, and forbidden from carrying. Now the PD job requires I carry 24/7, and the hospital job has a clause in the policy manual that peace officers are allowed to carry, but doesn't specify that said peace officers have to be working as security at the time. So I make sure the Peace Officers working security know me, know about the peace officer status/employment, and that I always carry, and to expect me to provide backup if anything serious arises, but also make sure to keep my mouth shut as far as my boss and all other employees (with exception of security). My boss has asked once where I keep my gun, cause he figures I have something close by, and I told him I have a shotgun in the truck. The only answer I got was a smile and he walked away. I think he suspects, but doesn't really want to know, even though I am legal and allowed by both PD and hospital policy to carry.

And you can carry in scrubs just fine if you get a little creative. It just depends on what you choose to carry. In my case, it is a 5" 1911A1 .45 and a 2 1/4" SP101 .357, plus extra ammo, a flashlight, cuffs, and a couple of folding knives, all concealed. We have other employees who I know are licensed to carry, and I have noticed things and given them tips on how to NOT give themselves away when carrying in a non-permissive environment, but have never and will never ask if they are carrying. I may suspect, but I don't KNOW, and don't want or need to. That way, if I was to ever get asked, I honestly don't know anything. :)

[R8ed]

Wish I could but would be a federal offense. I go through airport type search every day and vehicles are randomly searched.
If that were not the case I would shoot a lot more often since I drive right past my local gun club on the way to and from work. This does make it tempting to stop in LGC for a cold one which then DQs me from shooting for the rest of the day. But I rarely stop for a cold one.

[6bg6ga]

I retired from what was the Maytag company. No firearms or alcohol on company property not even in the trunk of your car. of course rules were broken.

I know the mentality. I worked for Amana Refrigeration in 1972 and it was a "No Firearms or Alcohol on company property. Luckily I left in 73 and went to another factory. Same thing No firearms or Alcohol on property. One amusing thing was people left during lunch and went to the local bar and drank their lunch and went back to work. Twenty three years with a third employer and its no carry because we might scare the customers if they saw a conceiled firearm. Been shot at once as I drove down a street in Waterloo when going to a service call. I drive all thru Iowa and it would be nice to have a boss that could think.

[Deadpool]

I work two jobs. One is as a Peace Officer, so required to carry. The other is in a hospital, and forbidden from carrying.

Did you read the story about Dr. Lee Silverman in PA who shot an assailant, in the hospital? It was also a "gun-free" zone. People were more upset the doctor had a gun, than about the crazy who shot his caseworker and continued to try to shoot others.


You chose to show your location as UNKNOWN..

C'mon, I'm Deadpool! My location has to be unknown, as a matter of international security.

[Omega]

My opinion was not open to debate...and you response was outside the scope of the OP's question. I will indulge you to the extent that I will tell this... I spent a large portion of my life protecting others. You chose to show your location as UNKNOWN.. well I live in NY.. people here are more likely to pull out a cell phone and video someone die than to have an IFAK. So.... I'll stick to my own guns and take my chances.Once posted your opinion is most certainly open to debate, now whether you continue discussing it on your end is another matter. I understand the frustration you feel, as I sometimes get frustrated listening to some of these non 2A supporting people around me. But when put in a situation where I either get involved or not I will probably revert back to my protective instinct and react to the situation.

[Lonegun1894]

Deadpool,
I read it, and understand the concern, but would much rather be alive and looking for a new job than the alternative. I appreciate the implied warning though, and have considered it.

[crashguy]

Once posted your opinion is most certainly open to debate, now whether you continue discussing it on your end is another matter. I understand the frustration you feel, as I sometimes get frustrated listening to some of these non 2A supporting people around me. But when put in a situation where I either get involved or not I will probably revert back to my protective instinct and react to the situation.
Debate implies that the other person has intention to prove their point is correct.... You and Deadpool could have stated your point without involving me.

[Deadpool]

Debate implies that the other person has intention to prove their point is correct.... You and Deadpool could have stated your point without involving me.

Surely you could have stated your point without involving the forum.

[crashguy]

Surely you could have stated your point without involving the forum.
I answered the OP's question ...you gave a lecture... try this on for size http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/cops-after-man-holds-suspect-at-gunpoint-we-need-witnesses-not-heroes/

[Omega]

Debate implies that the other person has intention to prove their point is correct.... You and Deadpool could have stated your point without involving me.Sure, if this was only a one-on-one conversation. But as you have witnessed, you can't state an opinion on this forum without a responce. Even a simple statement such as "the sky is blue" will give some latent astrologer the chance to give his opinion. And I never said you were wrong about your position, it's everyone's decision whether to get involved or not: just hope that if I am the one that needs help someday, that there is someone that is willing to render said help instead of a mere witness.

As for your link, it shows how an anti-gun reporter can slant a news story with little effort. The headline could of just as well of said "Good guy with a gun prevents bodily injury" Or better yet, "Bad guy brings knife to a gun fight"

[crashguy]

Sure, if this was only a one-on-one conversation. But as you have witnessed, you can't state an opinion on this forum without a responce. Even a simple statement such as "the sky is blue" will give some latent astrologer the chance to give his opinion. And I never said you were wrong about your position, it's everyone's decision whether to get involved or not: just hope that if I am the one that needs help someday, that there is someone that is willing to render said help instead of a mere witness.


As for your link, it shows how an anti-gun reporter can slant a news story with little effort. The headline could of just as well of said "Good guy with a gun prevents bodily injury" Or better yet, "Bad guy brings knife to a gun fight"

I don't need affirmation.. I know I'm right.. .. and no that's not what the video shows ....It shows the guy being helped not get stabbed nowhere to be found ...it shows the people in the area standing back videoing and critiquing ...it shows the police questioning the involvement of a retired LEO, that could be argued has more training that a citizen with a concealed carry permit.... Do you think you would get a pat on the back and a medal ? ... You are more likely to get sued or jammed up. The headline could have also read " Good guy with a gun killed trying to intervene in a gang fight"

[Omega]

I don't need affirmation.. I know I'm right.. .. and no that's not what the video shows ....It shows the guy being helped not get stabbed nowhere to be found ...it shows the people in the area standing back videoing and critiquing ...it shows the police questioning the involvement of a retired LEO, that could be argued has more training that a citizen with a concealed carry permit.... Do you think you would get a pat on the back and a medal ? ... You are more likely to get sued or jammed up. The headline could have also read " Good guy with a gun killed trying to intervene in a gang fight"See right there, a debate. You are no more right than I am, or anyone else with an opinion.

[Deadpool]

There are plenty of witnesses. You either want lots, or none. Somebody gets mugged or jumped, and everybody pulls out their cameras to take photos or video instead of helping, like it's a show to them. Somebody's drowning, lets take pics of that. The other day my fiancee slipped coming down our house stairs, and I came around to find her in a crumpled pile of herself. I helped her out and asked her what she would have done if I stood there and took a photo first. She said she would have left me!

Personally, if somebody's trying to kill me and people are entertained by my threatened death so much they want photos and video, they're almost as evil as my attacker ... and I'd tell myself, if I live, I'm going to hurt some of them. But I also expect it, so I hold humanity in very low regard.

Or worse, they're too self-absorbed to notice... but one person gets a show!
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[Lonegun1894]

See right there, a debate. You are no more right than I am, or anyone else with an opinion.

I agree here. I will take it a step further. Since no two situations are identical, and there is ALWAYS some variable that makes them different even if it is unknown to those standing around, or even involved, here is my theory. If any one of us gets involved in a "situation" that we didn't cause, and live through it, WHATEVER we did to win the fight was the right thing at the end of the day. Now this may or may not stand in court when dissected by some sleazy lawyer, but how many of you here have a wife that would rather see you dead than having to explain yourself in court? Hopefully not a single one of us here. I just see it as a matter of I try to give the benefit of the doubt to the defender in any given situation unless proven otherwise, because while the rest of us can sit back and "Monday morning quarterback" anything for as long as we want, the defender is the one who has the best information as to what they did and why at the time of the incident. I have worked many defensive use of force incidents, both by LE and citizens, and also been involved in a few, and I treat them all the same. Figure out who is the victim and who is the criminal, what happened, and give as much credit to the victim as possible in the report and in court testimony. Usually, the simplest part is figuring out who the victim is. My last one was a man who turned the tables on a gang initiation that involved shooting some random person. The turd chose the wrong person, but unfortunately lived to tell about it--and at least in this case, being stupid did hurt.