Riddle me this Batman: What Bullet Are This Die and Top Punch Designed For?

[michiganmike]

Good Morning fellow casters:

As I noted in a couple other posts, I bought a used Lyman 450 Lube-Sizer on EBay. It was intact, but plugged with what looks like an Alox lube. It had set over the years almost like cement.

This morning I finished the task of cleaning it out and reassembling it. It looks sharp, and needs only the top cap for the lube reservoir. In the 450 was top punch #191 and die #457. A nice bonus. I tried to do my homework, but did not get a definitive answer.

Checking the Lyman website I learned that .457 is the diameter of the bullet; #191 refers to the top punch. I also checked and found mould 457191, highlighted in red below. So, "Riddle me this, Batman": Could this be the bullet for which the die and top punch were designed?





Grain


Bullet #

Brief Description



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292gr


457191

Copy of the original factory bullet for the 45-60, 45-70 and 45-125 Express.
Details (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-rifles.php?entryID=71)




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330gr


457122

This is the famous 45-330 Gould Express bullet designed by John Barlow, founder of Ideal. Made for Mr. Gould, editor of Shooting and Fishing. Great reputation as a killer of large game. Superior performance in all 45 cal cartridges. (Hollow point).
Details (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-rifles.php?entryID=72)



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385gr


457124

This is the standard 45-70 Government bullet. Original soft bullet weighed 405 grains
Details (http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bullet-casting/mould-details-rifles.php?entryID=73)

[Calamity Jake]

Look in a Lyman cast bullet book that top punch fits about 10 different cast bullets for the 45-70
and some other large caliber cast boolits.

[Jeff Maney]

Sounds like you have the correct ID. Should be popular with 45-70 shooters, if not to light weight.

Jeff

[pworley1]

That is one of the combinations.

[bhn22]

Any large 45 caliber rifle could use that sizer depending on the bore dimensions, which determine bullet sizing. Not all 45 cal rifles are the same. My 45-70 used bullets sized to .460. I also have a .459 sizer for the same rifle left over from my load development. The nose punch refers to the contour of the bullet nose. As stated earlier, this may be a potential combination for that bullet number, but the bullet doesn't get a vote in determining sizing, it's all about the gun.