Time change!!!!! Finally!!!!!

[MBTcustom]

Praise the Lord and pass around the daylight!!!!

I know lots of people hate timechange. I did too until I started a business that depends on daylight. So much of what I do depends on the light in the evening (I work two jobs, so the gunsmithing gets done from 6:00pm to 9:00pm on the weekdays) and now I yearn for this time of year, and I dread it when time change ends and I lose an hour of light in the evening (actually, it's a double whammy because the days get shorter as well).
I was really starting to feel like a dad burn mushroom, but spring is here!!!! Hallelujah!!!!!

[WILCO]

Hahahahahha! I agree Tim. Spring forward is ALWAYS GREAT!

[Finster101]

I'm happy about it too. When your work hours are 8 to 5 it sure is nice to be able to get home and do things outside. Especially down here where it is warm most of the time. I'd be happy with this year round.

[MBTcustom]

I've just gotten conditioned over the last four years. When time change happens I get this rush of energy and a desire to work like crazy! It's almost as good as getting debt paid off, or getting a raise. You just suddenly have a lot more to work with!

[Beagle333]

I love this time change. I also work two jobs and really appreciate more daylight after I get home.

[Hickory]

I always thought that if daylight savings time was such a good deal, why not have it year round.

[Cap'n Morgan]

I always thought that if daylight savings time was such a good deal, why not have it year round.

My thoughts exactly!

On our latitude we only have about seven hours of daylight when the days are at their shortest. I can barely make it home before the evening flight of the ducks :wink: - and since I work indoors all day I wouldn't mind starting even earlier.

[Love Life]

Bah Humbug!!

[Fishman]

Tim, I agree! More daylight at the end of the day is a real blessing.

[woody1]

YUP! Here too. Fact is, I never change my watch. It's always on daylight time.

[William Yanda]

My wife hates it, says it affects her for weeks. And to add insult to injury, at 12:30 last night, she got a call from and elderly friend who needed to go to the Hospital-got back about 4:15. I offered to go with but she declined. I got the "That was sweet of you to offer" credit anyway.
Bill

edited to add:
Just last week I told her about double daylight savings that was used during WW II. She was not impressed

[historicfirearms]

I just don't get it. There are only so many hours of daylight no matter what the clock says. If you want more daylight to do things, get up earlier. Stop sleeping while it's light out. You can get just as many things done in the morning as you can in the evening.
We live in central Michigan and now with the time change, my kids will be getting on the bus in the morning while its dark again. They were just starting to enjoy some daylight in the morning due to the longer daylight hours, but now it will be totally dark again for them.
There is no legitimate reason to have daylight saving time. It causes stress, sleep loss, and is a total inconvenience.

[GhostHawk]

You can't rob peter to pay paul when it comes to daylight. You want more, get up earlier.

What I really don't like is having to set every clock in the house twice a year to please some working stiff.

Leave it the heck alone for pete's sake!

Spend a very few dollars and put in some really good daylight bulbs.

Voila, good light 24 - 7 no matter what time of year it is.
And they help on the seasonal depression too.

[WILCO]

I just don't get it.
There is no legitimate reason to have daylight saving time.

http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html

Rationale and original idea
The main purpose of Daylight Saving Time (called "Summer Time" in many places in the world) is to make better use of daylight. We change our clocks during the summer months to move an hour of daylight from the morning to the evening. Countries have different change dates. Glide your cursor over the map to see how changing the clocks affects different latitudes.

If you live near the equator, day and night are nearly the same length (12 hours). But elsewhere on Earth, there is much more daylight in the summer than in the winter. The closer you live to the North or South Pole, the longer the period of daylight in the summer. Thus, Daylight Saving Time (Summer Time) is usually not helpful in the tropics, and countries near the equator generally do not change their clocks.
http://media.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/imagesFolder/photos/hikers.jpgA poll conducted by the U.S. Department of Transportation indicated that Americans liked Daylight Saving Time because "there is more light in the evenings / can do more in the evenings." A 1976 survey of 2.7 million citizens in New South Wales, Australia, found 68% liked daylight saving. Indeed, some say that the primary reason that Daylight Saving Time is a part of many societies is simply because people like to enjoy long summer evenings, and that reasons such as energy conservation are merely rationalizations.
According to some sources, DST saves energy. Studies done by the U.S. Department of Transportation in 1975 showed that Daylight Saving Time trims the entire country's electricity usage by a small but significant amount, about one percent each day, because less electricity is used for lighting and appliances. Similarly, in New Zealand, power companies have found that power usage decreases 3.5 percent when daylight saving starts. In the first week, peak evening consumption commonly drops around five percent.
The rationale behind the 1975 study of DST-related energy savings was that energy use and the demand for electricity for lighting homes is directly related to the times when people go to bed at night and rise in the morning. In the average home, 25 percent of electricity was used for lighting and small appliances, such as TVs and stereos. A good percentage of energy consumed by lighting and appliances occurred in the evening when families were home. By moving the clock ahead one hour, the amount of electricity consumed each day decreased.
http://media.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/imagesFolder/photos/highvoltage.jpgIn the summer, people who rose before the sun rises used more energy in the morning than if DST were not in effect. However, although 70 percent of Americans rose before 7:00 a.m., this waste of energy from having less sunlight in the morning was more than offset by the savings of energy that results from more sunlight in the evening.
In the winter, the afternoon Daylight Saving Time advantage is offset for many people and businesses by the morning's need for more lighting. In spring and fall, the advantage is generally less than one hour. So, the rationale was that Daylight Saving Time saves energy for lighting in all seasons of the year, but it saves least during the four darkest months of winter (November, December, January, and February), when the afternoon advantage is offset by the need for lighting because of late sunrise.
In addition, less electricity was thought to be used because people are home fewer hours during the "longer" days of spring and summer. Most people plan outdoor activities in the extra daylight hours. When people are not at home, they don't turn on the appliances and lights.
Although a 1976 report by the National Bureau of Standards disputed the 1975 U.S. Department of Transportation study, and found that DST-related energy savings were insignificant, the DOT study continued to influence decisions about Daylight Saving Time.
The argument in favor of saving energy swayed Indiana, where until 2005, only about 16 percent of counties observed Daylight Saving Time. Based on the DOT study, advocates of Indiana DST estimated that the state’s residents would save over $7 million in electricity costs each year. Now that Indiana has made the switch, however, researchers have found the opposite to be the case. Scientists from the University of California, Santa Barbara, compared energy usage over the course of three years in Indiana counties that switched from year-round Standard Time to DST. They found that Indianans actually spent $8.6 million more each year because of Daylight Saving Time, and increased emissions came with a social cost of between $1.6 million and $5.3 million per year. Commentators have theorized that the energy jump is due to the increased prevalence of home air conditioning over the past 40 years, in that more daylight toward the end of a summer’s day means that people are more likely to use their air conditioners when they come home from work.
However, the Indiana research findings don’t necessarily apply elsewhere. In cooler climates, for example, energy savings may well occur.
In addition, some argue that there is a public health benefit to Daylight Saving Time, as it decreases traffic accidents. Several studies in the U.S. and Great Britain have found that the DST daylight shift reduces net traffic accidents and fatalities by close to one percent. An increase in accidents in the dark mornings is more than offset by the evening decrease in accidents.
However, recent research indicates that pedestrian fatalities from cars soar at 6:00 p.m. during the weeks after clocks are set back in the fall. Walkers are three times as likely to be hit and killed by cars right after the switch than in the month before DST ends. Researchers from Carnegie Mellon University, who found a 186 percent jump in the risk of being killed by a car for every mile walked, speculate that drivers go through an adjustment period when dusk arrives earlier. Although the risk drops in the morning, because there are fewer pedestrians at 6:00 a.m., the lives saved in the morning don’t offset those lost in the evening.
This research corroborates a 2001 study by researchers at the University of Michigan, which found that 65 pedestrians were killed by car crashes in the week before DST ended, and 227 pedestrians were killed in the week following the end of DST.
There may also be an economic benefit to DST, as daylight evening hours encourage people to go out and shop, potentially spurring economic growth.
Idea of Daylight Saving Time
http://media.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/imagesFolder/photos/franklin.jpgThe idea of daylight saving was first conceived by Benjamin Franklin (portrait at right) during his sojourn as an American delegate in Paris in 1784, in an essay, "An Economical Project." Read more about Franklin's essay (http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/franklin.html).
Some of Franklin's friends, inventors of a new kind of oil lamp, were so taken by the scheme that they continued corresponding with Franklin even after he returned to America.
The idea was first advocated seriously by London builder William Willett (1857-1915) in the pamphlet, "Waste of Daylight (http://www.webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/willett.html)" (1907), that proposed advancing clocks 20 minutes on each of four Sundays in April, and retarding them by the same amount on four Sundays in September. As he was taking an early morning a ride through Petts Wood, near Croydon, Willett was struck by the fact that the blinds of nearby houses were closed, even though the sun was fully risen. When questioned as to why he didn't simply get up an hour earlier, Willett replied with typical British humor, "What?" In his pamphlet "The Waste of Daylight" he wrote:

"Everyone appreciates the long, light evenings. Everyone laments their shortage as Autumn approaches; and everyone has given utterance to regret that the clear, bright light of an early morning during Spring and Summer months is so seldom seen or used."
Early British laws and lax observance
About one year after Willett began to advocate daylight saving (he spent a fortune lobbying), he attracted the attention of the authorities. Robert Pearce - later Sir Robert Pearce - introduced a bill in the House of Commons to make it compulsory to adjust the clocks. The bill was drafted in 1909 and introduced in Parliament several times, but it met with ridicule and opposition, especially from farming interests. Generally lampooned at the time, Willett died on March 4, 1915.
Following Germany's lead, Britain passed an act on May 17, 1916, and Willett's scheme of adding 80 minutes, in four separate movements was put in operation on the following Sunday, May 21, 1916. There was a storm of opposition, confusion, and prejudice. The Royal Meteorological Society insisted that Greenwich time would still be used to measure tides. The parks belonging to the Office of Works and the London County Council decided to close at dusk, which meant that they would be open an extra hour in the evening. Kew Gardens, on the other hand, ignored the daylight saving scheme and decided to close by the clock.
In Edinburgh, the confusion was even more marked, for the gun at the Castle was fired at 1:00 p.m. Summer Time, while the ball on the top of the Nelson monument on Calton Hill fell at 1:00 Greenwich Time. That arrangement was carried on for the benefit of seamen who could see it from the Firth of Forth. The time fixed for changing clocks was 2:00 a.m. on a Sunday.
There was a fair bit of opposition from the general public and from agricultural interests who wanted daylight in the morning, but Lord Balfour came forward with a unique concern:

"Supposing some unfortunate lady was confined with twins and one child was born 10 minutes before 1 o'clock. ... the time of birth of the two children would be reversed. ... Such an alteration might conceivably affect the property and titles in that House."
After World War I, Parliament passed several acts relating to Summer Time. In 1925, a law was enacted that Summer Time should begin on the day following the third Saturday in April (or one week earlier if that day was Easter Day). The date for closing of Summer Time was fixed for the day after the first Saturday in October.
The energy saving benefits of Summer Time were recognized during World War II, when clocks in Britain were put two hours ahead of GMT during the summer. This became known as Double Summer Time. During the war, clocks remained one hour ahead of GMT throughout the winter.

[Sweetpea]

I just don't get it. There are only so many hours of daylight no matter what the clock says. If you want more daylight to do things, get up earlier. Stop sleeping while it's light out. You can get just as many things done in the morning as you can in the evening.
We live in central Michigan and now with the time change, my kids will be getting on the bus in the morning while its dark again. They were just starting to enjoy some daylight in the morning due to the longer daylight hours, but now it will be totally dark again for them.
There is no legitimate reason to have daylight saving time. It causes stress, sleep loss, and is a total inconvenience.

When you work in Construction, there are noise ordinances that dictate how early you can start working.

Also VERY nice to have a little sunlight at the end of the workday!

[dragon813gt]

You can't rob peter to pay paul when it comes to daylight. You want more, get up earlier.

What I really don't like is having to set every clock in the house twice a year to please some working stiff.

Leave it the heck alone for pete's sake!

Spend a very few dollars and put in some really good daylight bulbs.

Voila, good light 24 - 7 no matter what time of year it is.
And they help on the seasonal depression too.

It doesn't work that way when you work outside. I wish they would leave it forward all year. I prefer more daylight at the end of the day. Especially during hunting season. Once we fall back I can't hunt after work at all. This takes weeks away from me. I already get up at 5am, when it's dark, and don't get home until between 5-6pm.

I don't understand why people get upset over the time change. Oh no, you have to change your clocks which takes all of two minutes. It's such a hard task. The only ones I have to change are in my vehicles. All the ones in the house, phones, computers change themselves.

I hate when the clocks are set back in the fall. It means cold is coming and no daylight to do anything outside after work.

[MBTcustom]

Look, I get up and drive to job #1 in the dark, and work till dark, then go home and start on job #2. Getting up earlier doesn't help when you're already rolling out at 5:00 AM and you quit at 11:00 PM.
It's nice to have some daylight when I get home.
Not everybody goes to work at a 9-5 job.

[Plate plinker]

^^^^^
yeah same here hate losing it all to the J O B.

[lancem]

Gave up wearing a watch a couple of years ago when I retired. Time for me is morning, lunch time, evening, dark... There are times too when I don't know what the date is or the day of the week... Man I love retirement!!!

[historicfirearms]

Look, I get up and drive to job #1 in the dark, and work till dark, then go home and start on job #2. Getting up earlier doesn't help when you're already rolling out at 5:00 AM and you quit at 11:00 PM.
It's nice to have some daylight when I get home.
Not everybody goes to work at a 9-5 job.

So if you work until 11:00 pm, its dark when you quit anyway, at least in Arkansas. This time change argument makes no sense. If you want daylight after work, lets once and for all set our clocks ahead an hour or two, AND LEAVE THEM THERE. If an hour is good, why not go three or four hours? Once you got used to it, everyone would have lots of daylight after work.

[joesig]

If you work some place where you have to punch a clock Daylight Saving is wonderful. If you have to feed animals regard less of the position of the sun, it probably doesn't matter much. When I worked the early shift and was home by four, I still had half a day of daylight and decent (read not scorching) weather. It is like free time compared to the winter.

The only thing that I have mixed feelings on is commuting into the sun. Other than that, yep, love DLS.


Gave up wearing a watch a couple of years ago when I retired. Time for me is morning, lunch time, evening, dark... There are times too when I don't know what the date is or the day of the week... Man I love retirement!!!

I'm like that now on weekends and can't wait until it applies to all seven days! Time will be one more thing in my life that is just a number.

[historicfirearms]

goodsteel, I realize you like the extra hour of daylight at the end of the day, and I am not trying to be argumentative or take that away from you. I just question the reasoning behind the twice-yearly time changes. What good reason is there? I mean, if adding an extra hour of sunlight at the end of the work day is good during the summer, why not just change the clocks forward for all year long?

[sundog]

The position of the sun at its peak is high noon. Make that permanent, no changes.

[waksupi]

I do wish we would stay on DST. When I used to commute, I would leave home in the dark, and come home in the dark in the winter. Much better to have a bit of light left in the afternoons to get home.
I kind of go by daylight nowadays. If it's daylight, I'm usually awake. That makes for short nights in the summer, as it gets fully dark around 11:30 pm, and starts breaking dawn around 4:30 am.

[Bored1]

I also think we should leave the clocks on the DST summer change and NOT MOVE IT!!! Never made any sense to me to shorten the days purposely during the winter which is already short enough!!!!

[ole 5 hole group]

Why or who decided a work day should start at 8, 8:30 or 9AM??? Daylight savings means a person is at work at 7:30 instead of 8:30 during non-dls time - never understood that rational of establishing a work day around the Nation usually starting at 08:30AM.

Be on the job at 6:30 AM and go home at 3:00PM year round - what's the problem there? That should lift restrictions on construction start times as well - unless you're building in a retirement community. Start schools at the same time, so the kids get use to rolling out at a reasonable hour in the morning.

[TXGunNut]

I commute 40 miles each way to work, show up a little after 7A and leave a little after 6P. Like some of you I only see home in the daylight on weekends during winter months and some projects are best done with natural light. No amount or color of artificial light can replace natural light for some casting, reloading and gun repair projects, IMHO. There are some imperfections that are difficult to see with artificial light, especially with today's bulbs. I do my best work near a window with the blinds open and the sun shining in. I'm also looking forward to taking a little walk in the evening after work.

[Echo]

What time change??????

[bhn22]

In farm country, clock time is largely ignored, and people get up before the sun and get moving so they can be ready to work at first light. It does not save energy because people getting up earlier consume more electricity, not less. Some states don't observe DST, and have very good reasons for it. For the record, I've never had a "9-5" job, and resent the innuendo of being lazy.

[dragon813gt]

Be on the job at 6:30 AM and go home at 3:00PM year round - what's the problem there?
I work in people's homes. We have a hard enough getting in at 8 let alone 6. They don't want you there when they get home from work so starting late and working late is out.

One of the main reasons for moving it is so it's light out when kids are going to the bus stop in the morning. When they moved it up/pushed it back two weeks there was a lot of pushback because of this.

If you work on a farm or are retired the change is of little concern. For those of us that work outside it's best when it's pushed forward. Even if you work in an office I'm sure you'd like some daylight when you get home. There is nothing more depressing then leaving for work in the dark and coming home in the dark. There is no way I could live in a higher latitude where it's dark for months on end.

[starmac]

Never understood how changing a clock could make a day longer or shorter. I reckon them old timexes has a lot of power.

Like the old indian said, Only a white man could think cutting a foot off of a blanket and sewing it on the other end makes it longer. lol

[mold maker]

I've gotten up at 4:30 for over 60 years. It's a hard habit to change. Now Momma and I have coffee on the side porch and watch the sunrise, no matter what the clock says.

[nicholst55]

What time change??????

What he said. In another month or so, I'll have to wear my sunglasses on the way to work at 0520, and it stays light until late. Gets hot, too. That's just part of life.

[Finster101]

In farm country, clock time is largely ignored, and people get up before the sun and get moving so they can be ready to work at first light. It does not save energy because people getting up earlier consume more electricity, not less. Some states don't observe DST, and have very good reasons for it. For the record, I've never had a "9-5" job, and resent the innuendo of being lazy.



No Sir, farming is not a lazy man's job and I did not see it implied in this thread. I work 8-5 and while the amount of hours in the day do not change the management of the daylight hours is a big help to me. I am up well before daylight the neighbors get kinda' POed if I fire up the pressure washer at 6am.

[leeggen]

When I was working I would get up in the morning about 5oclock and head to wthe factory. Then go home after shift and work on the farm until about 9 oclock each evening, the extra daylight sure saved on the truck gas cause i would run the truck lites to see by after dark. The short daytime in fall/winter sure did hurt. I do love DST now all politicians need to leave it alone sense we are back again.
CD

[BrianL]

Now I will have time to shoot some test loads in the evenings...........oh right, I forgot.I have trees to tap, sugaring season is finally here!!!

[MT Gianni]

I find it easier to get used to than a new pair of shoes. I love being able to read on the deck at 9:45 PM summers without a light. I don't mind seeing the grandkids go to school in the dark but I want the sun to be up for more than 15 minutes when they hit the playground at 9:30 recess.
As far as need the energy usage of people staying out without lighting their homes more than makes up for the use of those of us who arise before the sun.

[bangerjim]

I hate DST! We do not do it here in AZ and it puts me 3 hours away from all the businesses I deal with in my company on the east coast. My business does not fit with DST at all.

And why stop at 1 hour? If everybody lauds the extra hour at night, why not 3 or 4 or 5 hours? Makes just as much sense as 1 hour......if all you care about is more daylight at night.

Personally I love winter when it gets dark at 5PM and sunrise is around 8AM! We have things called electric lights here in AZ. When it is dark, you just turn on a light. We sure do not need more sun here!

Winter = all the good holidays = long nights = cuddling = fun. :bigsmyl2:

banger

[ohland]

I know lots of people hate timechange.

Is that like the Time Warp?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg-vgGuTD8A

[tdoyka]

i always hated it. when i(had a stroke) was working(putting in water and sewer mains) it started at 7am - 5pm. didn't matter if it was light or dark out, you always worked. turning the clock back/foreward did nothing.
working at a desk from 9am-5pm would have done the same thing.

[BrianL]

Actually I had a great afternoon after getting out from behind my desk and having an hour of sunlight. It made chipping the ice dams off the roof a little safer.

[tdoyka]

well at least somebody likes it.:violin:

me, i really, really, did i say really, hate it.:redneck:

[bear67]

First I will admit that it has never really affected me as I have farmed and worked my own construction business and always worked from can to can't. Now in retirement I still get up at 4:30 and go to bed when the chickens get settled on the roost. What I don't like is the twice a year change.

There is a bill written for the Texas House of Representatives that will take Texas off of the DST, but would require a vote of the Texas electorate after passing the house and senate. Texas Legislature is a **** shoot anyway, so it may or may not make it out of committee or onto the calendar. Thank goodness the Texas Legislature only meets every two years to mess up our lives or spend our money.

Don't remember the year we started DST in Texas, but I was busy in July bailing hay and was in Royal and Barrow John Deere in Athens picking up some parts one afternoon when Mr Young from Malakoff was in picking up some sweeps. He was complaining to the parts man about "government time." I asked him what he meant and he said and I quote, "this extra hour of daylight is burning up my crops."

[KCSO]

When i was young we had our own daylight savings, we got up early and worked till dark. Didn't have to change clocks either!

[NavyVet1959]

Gave up wearing a watch a couple of years ago when I retired. Time for me is morning, lunch time, evening, dark... There are times too when I don't know what the date is or the day of the week... Man I love retirement!!!

I *try* to keep track of what year it is, but that's about it... :)

I still wear a watch -- I would feel naked without one since I've worn one for so many years.

My wife runs around and resets all the clocks during the time change or after a power outage. She insists on having clocks everywhere and having them display the correct time. I figure I have a watch, so I don't care whether the clocks are accurate or even if they are just flashing "12:00" all the time. I don't change the time on my watch, I figure with I can add 1 to the hour when necessary.

I've never been one for getting into work at 08:00 anyway. I much prefer to wait until after the morning rush hour wrecks have been cleared from the road, but before the lunchtime wrecks have started. :)

[ohland]

It made chipping the ice dams off the roof a little safer.

I bought a snow rake a few years ago, it screws onto a Girraffe Pole. I can clear the roof above the porch up to the steeper angled roof. That keeps the ice dams from forming when the snow melts, the meltwater wicks to the lower roof edge and if it freezes, that can back up the ice.

Captain Obvious, signing off...

[Firebricker]

I am definitely in the "hate time change crowd". I would much rather they just pick one and stay with it. FB

[TXGunNut]

Springing forward gets harder for me every year, especially after this last adjustment. It was nice being able to piddle around outside this evening but it's been a rough week.