Reloading 30 remington

[michael m]

Has anyone ever reloaded 30 Remington by using 30-30 dies and a proper rimless shell holder?

[Harter66]

Below you will find 32 Win, 32 Rem and 7x6.8 Rem.
I expect that the 30-30/30 Rem relationship is the same . Neck sizing is ok but the shoulder bump doesn't play nice and I can't really speak to that as I haven't had to do that yet . Also you can see that the shoulder is slightly longer from the head to neck. I have I believe a 310 sizer for 30 Rem . I will check it to be sure and maybe we can come to an arrangement.

Yes it can be done and will work , sizing doesn't work well.

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[Pilgrim]

I've got to slug the barrel of my Model 14 .30 Rem. Ken Waters in his reloading "book" stated he thought the .30 Rem in the model 14 was .307 instead of .308. I'll post what mine is after I get it slugged.

[Guesser]

With the Model 14 you do need to full length size, the pump just doesn't have the camming strength to chamber a cartridge that's the slightest over sized, even if it was fired in the gun previously. I loaded a lot of 30 Rem. for model 8, Model 14, and the Model 30 bolt gun. Do it smart and clean, don't cut corners.

[Harter66]

2 things I guess the rimmed case is a 30-30 not a 32. I have a 310 seater and priming die suitable for 25,30 and 32 Rem . The 6.8 she'll holders are perfect on my 32 Rem, 40 S&W will work in a pinch.
The 32 Win dies have been serviceable for my M14 . The shoulder isn't right. RCBS does still show the correct dies ,they are a special order/custom even if they are in stock on the shelf with Huntingtons in Oraville Ca, about $70 instead of 27-32. I do agree that the right tool should always be used,but sometimes the next best is as good as it gets.

If you should resort to making your Rem brass from 30-30's or 32s they are also to long and must be trimmed before and probably after the fire form.

[cuzinbruce]

The old Lyman loading manuals listed the 30/30 and the 30 Remington together. But that was for loading data. The cases are too different for the dies to interchange. Just look at the photos posted above.

[frnkeore]

The grooves do run small on the 30 Rem. I have a Mod 30 and a 141. They both have .306 grooves.

I have dies for the 30 Rem but, I have to use 32 Spec. for my 32. If you use 30/30, be careful, not to resize the shoulder. Mark it with ink and run it up, untill it just touches.

Frank

[texassako]

Load data is interchangeable with .30-30, but not FL sizing dies. The shoulder angle is different which can do funny things to headspacing the cartridge. I use RCBS dies and their shellholder #19. .30 Remington lasted the longest and dies are out there.

[perotter]

Has anyone ever reloaded 30 Remington by using 30-30 dies and a proper rimless shell holder?

I have, but only for 200 rounds or so. I didn't have any problems using them in a Model 81 and I don't recall doing any special. But, it's been some years and haven't fired that last 60 rounds I loaded.

[rking22]

I have done it, actually only way I load them presently. True that the shoulder is different ,keep your 3030 die backed out to clear it. You cannot full length size 30 Rems with a 3030 die, but at 1850FPS with cast I have had no issues in a 141. Some cases are on their 4th loading and still giving no "tightness" in the chamber. If you plan to run at full pressure you will need to get a 30 Remington full length die. I have other things to run faster so am content with my process at present. Now, I will grab the first 30Rem die set I find used as I know at some point I will need to full length size :)
In a 14 or 141 , be very careful of COL, the jam is a bear to clear !

[Pilgrim]

Rking22 - What is the COL? I've had jams before but haven't ever found the COL so I'm skating around another jam! Pilgrim

[rking22]

Pilgrim, I am not where I can check. I will see if I can find a link for you. I am using the 311041 and ranch Dog flat points. They are shorter than the factory RN due to the "corner" of the flat catching as it is raised. I loaded the 311041 to the crimp groove in a 30Rem case , it fed fine. The info I am looking for says they don't like lead but my 141 feeds these 2 boolits just fine. The RD has to be shorter or it will tie up as it comes from the mag. That is seriously unfun to clear. Lets see what I can find. Also need to cycle these guns "like you mean it".

See post #20 on this thread and follow links. Note: I am shooting 311041s in my141 without issue. Heed the info on the links and keep things clean of shavings, both brass and lead. Also found this (Lyman 44)"OAL below the 2.525 spec. Case trimming down to the 2.040 spec will also be in order" I will check my actual OAL when I get home.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?168163-30-rem-questions

[Scharfschuetze]

I use the same Redding neck size collet die for 30/30, 30 Remington and 32 Special by using the appropriate collet for each case.

I have a Remington 141 and so far, I've not had to FL size my 30 Remington cases for several loadings, but then I'm not pushing the envelope either. My plans for a full power load for it may soon require FL sizing though.

[Scharfschuetze]

Rking22 - What is the COL? I've had jams before but haven't ever found the COL so I'm skating around another jam! Pilgrim

2.545" should do it for you Pilgrim.

[rking22]

Nice rifle, is that a Redfield hiding in the corner of the pic? I have been watching for the Lyman sight but good grief they are proud of them! I am using RL7 (21 or 22 gr from memory)in mine with the 311041 and mine has no throat to speak of, kinda just a "bevel" at the ebd of the chamber. That is what is driving my short length on the Ranch Dog bullet more than feed issues.

[Harter66]

My 14 in 32 Rem has no problem at all with lead in fact it shoots faster (based on 32 Win data) with cast than jacketed on less powder.

[Pilgrim]

2.545" should do it for you Pilgrim.
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Thank you. Pilgrim

[frnkeore]

Would it be possible to get a little survey on groove sizes for the 30 Rem? It might be very interesting.

Frank

[Scharfschuetze]

Nice rifle, is that a Redfield hiding in the corner of the pic?

You have sharp eyes Rking22! It's a fairly early one so it fits right in with the persona of the rifle.


Would it be possible to get a little survey on groove sizes for the 30 Rem? It might be very interesting.

I'll pull my 141 out of the safe and slug the bore in the morning and post the results.

Update: Curiosity got the better of me so I pulled it out tonight. It goes .301 X .308."

The bore, to my eye, looks pristine, so I'm pretty sure this is what it measured when it came out of the factory, although some of that early "kleenbore" priming was a bit "erosive" so who can say. Sizing to .310" works quite well with the Lyman 311041 boolit with a gas check or with a plain base boolit resembling it in form and weight.

I don't think that Model 14s or 141s were ever known as bench rest rifles, but mine will hold just below 3 MOA all day long with cast boolits out to 200 yards. I've never shot a jacketed bullet through it, but I doubt that it would do any better with 'em. Shooting 12" steel gongs at 200 yards with it off hand will get the crew-served-bolt-action-magnum-can't shoot unless I'm on a bench rest-crowd staring in a jiffy.

[michael m]

Well! About my question about 30 Remington reloading I never dreamed it would get this much response, and I am great full for all the responses. I will get started with 30/30 dies, 160 gr lee cast,and lyman 19 shell holder. I will let you all know how it goes in about two weeks. Thank you!

[frnkeore]

Update: Curiosity got the better of me so I pulled it out tonight. It goes .301 X .308."

Thank you :)

Anyone else?

Frank

[rking22]

Will measure mine (141) tomorrow, CRS today

[rking22]

My 141 1936 vintage is .3085 x .301, checked the bore with a bore rider at the muzzle, looks like some cleaning rod wear, so may be a litle tighter a little deeper down.

[Pilgrim]

My Model 14 measures .306 groove dia. Pilgrim

[Geezer in NH]

I have always used the correct loading dies when they are available.

[Doc.Holliday]

Just seen this thread But I came across a Lyman All American 2 Die Rifle set 30/30 Winchester Deluxe. The set is new and the sizer die is marked Lyman 30/30FL and the P-A seating die is marked LYMAN PA 21 30/30 winchester: 30 remington. As well there is a number 467A stamped on top of the seating screw.
This die set is in a black box with blue velvet lining wrench and instructions with $15.00 stamped in gold script and in a cardboard sleeve.
Would this die set have been produced to reload both calibers?
Doc.

[rking22]

The sizer is for 3030 Win only, the seater will work for both. The seater does not contact the shoulder so will work for both. I also have that set. YOu will need a 30Rem sizer if you wish to FL size a 30 REm as the shoulder angle is different.

[Harter66]

This is 30/30 next to a 32 Rem with three 7x6.8 Rem SPCII . You will notice the very different shoulders between the Winchester and Rem .


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[Doc.Holliday]

The sizer is for 3030 Win only, the seater will work for both. The seater does not contact the shoulder so will work for both. I also have that set. YOu will need a 30Rem sizer if you wish to FL size a 30 REm as the shoulder angle is different.
Many thanks for the information.I was wondering what I had stumbled upon in My Dads reloading box.

[Harter66]

Just to throw confusion in the Lee whack a mole circa 68-72 is labeled 32 Rem and in small print 32 Win special. Neck only dies are probably completely interchangeable. The 30 Rem has the same shoulder profile as the 32 and the 25 . I have come to think of them as 30/30 and 32 Win special AI with a Weatherby shoulder ,having gone out of production at least 20 years before either of them came on to the scene.

[No_1]

Excellent thread! I have a 141 with a tang peep site and also ~200 rounds assorted (old) factory jacketed bullets from different manufacturers that I will test once I install a missing screw which attaches the forend to the slide mechanism. Not sure of the threads yet but by chance does anyone have an extra screw?

[45-70 Chevroner]

If I'm not mistaken the 30-30 was originally loaded with a .307 bullet. I have some old boxed 30-30 jacketed 170 gr. Slugs marked .307.