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Lead melter
02-28-2008, 03:32 PM
Here are my findings of the second round attempting to find just how fast a pure lead boolit can be driven with some degree of dependable accuracy.

What follows is an accuracy result with chrono figures using IMR-3031 powder in 22, 23, 24 grain charges as these were the most promising of the 5 loads tested last week. This report tested at 100 yards. Groups are 5 rounds.

Also accuracy and chrono figures for 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 grains Win 748. This result tested at 50 yards.

Testing parameters can be found on my post "Testing tomorrow" as of 2/20/08.

22 grains 3031
4.084"
velocity ave.-1321 fps

23 grains 3031
group size exceeded area of target, but 4 rounds in 3.192"
velocity ave.-1476 fps

24 grains 3031
group size exceeded area of target, but 4 rounds in 4.387"

In my opinion the 22 grain charge is probably maximum velocity in this particular rifle using that lube, that powder, that primer, that boolit, the gas check, etc. Your results may vary.

24 grains 748
group 1-3.647"
group 2-4.567", with 4 in 2.447"
group 1 velocity ave.-1414 fps [readings from 1245 fps to 1673 fps]
group 2 velocity ave.-1447 fps [readings from 1298 fps to 1557 fps]

25 grains 748
group 1-3.764", with 4 in 1.387"
group 2-3.532"
group 1 velocity ave.-1236 fps [no extreme spreads]
group 2 velocity ave.-1339 fps [readings from 967 fps to 1553 fps]

26 grains 748
group 1-2.494"
group 2-7.505"
group 1 velocity ave.-1447 fps [readings from 1371 fps to 1647 fps]
group 2 velocity ave.-1493 fps [readings from 1271 fps to 1675 fps]

27 grains 748
group 1-4.612"
group 2-2.742"
group 1 velocity ave.-1513 fps [readings from 1073 fps to 1769 fps]
group 2 velocity ave.-1443 fps [readings from 1217 fps to 1522 fps]

28 grains 748
group 1-6.442"
group 2-3.722"
group 1 velocity ave.-1694 fps [no extreme spreads]
group 2 velocity ave.-1658 fps [no extreme spreads]

My opnion is that the extreme velocity variances in the reduced loads of 748 affect accuracy and consistency too much to be an effective powder for slower velocities. As velocities increased, extreme spreads dropped, but accuracy of the soft boolit would not maintain. Based on this principle, no further testing of 748 will be done on this topic. Gas blow-by was also erratic and voluminous. As you can see, some of these loads varied enough to be downright scary.

Next scheduled is H-4198.

dubber123
02-28-2008, 05:07 PM
Good info again, thanks. I have a bunch of W-748 I want to use in 45-70. Approx 420-450 gr. boolits at around 1,600 fps. I wonder if this is reduced enough to see the same velocity variations you did, as it's not a high pressure load. It looks like I better bring the chronograph along.

Lead melter
02-28-2008, 05:27 PM
dubber,
I have had excellent results with a harder [1/ lino, 2/3 lead] Lee C309-17-RN/FP triple lubed with LLA, and 29 grains 748. Slightly heavier boolit, slightly more powder, probably about the same velocity. Getting your 420-450 boolits at that speed will take a bunch more powder. I don't think working near the bottom of the chart will work out, seems like load density is paramount with 748.
Good luck,

Mark

dubber123
02-28-2008, 05:45 PM
dubber,
I have had excellent results with a harder [1/ lino, 2/3 lead] Lee C309-17-RN/FP triple lubed with LLA, and 29 grains 748. Slightly heavier boolit, slightly more powder, probably about the same velocity. Getting your 420-450 boolits at that speed will take a bunch more powder. I don't think working near the bottom of the chart will work out, seems like load density is paramount with 748.
Good luck,

Mark

The first I have loaded are 55 grains W-748, which comes just to the base of the boolit, 100% load density. I have shot a compressed load of this same powder, but it exceeded my velocity requirements. Oh, and it hurt too.[smilie=1:

TAWILDCATT
02-28-2008, 08:30 PM
I use 13 grs RED DOT in all my military loads.in the o6 with 311291 and 13 grs and 1680 fts,crony.100 yrs in x ring.:coffee:---[smilie=1:---:Fire: cast ww