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oldred
01-30-2015, 03:55 PM
Any of you guys seen this movie? Our only source for TV programming is Netflix and I think I broke a record for us today, the quickest we ever started and stopped a movie! Just a few minutes into this (so-called) WWII flick and I had seen, or rather heard, enough! Hey I don't have tender ears but I honestly think the main characters were competing to see who could speak the most foul words in the shortest amount of time, hey I know soldiers in war aren't well known for "tender" language but in this movie the colorful dialog is used in a way that comes across as an attempt to shock and is a total distraction from the movies itself. Other than that the differing opinions of the storyline seem to tend to be unfavorable also but I honestly never got far enough along to comment on that part of it. Am I wrong, or are today's movies over the top with the foul dialog? Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me when it seems as if it might actually be what someone might say in a particular place/situation but in most "modern" movies anymore it seems they are having to work at fitting in all the foul language and it comes across not only as being obnoxious but phony, contrived and waaaaay overdone!

Hickok
01-30-2015, 04:09 PM
I saw the movie Oldred, and that was my one BIG criticism, way too much foul, filthy language. It was definitely not needed. The fighting scenes, tank battles, and the combat portrayals were great, very realistic. But I just had to cringe at the continual use of the F word and worse.

Yes the filthy, vile language definitely took away from what otherwise could have been a great movie.

I really wanted to see this film, because my dad was a tank commander in the 2nd Armored Division in 1951-1952 when they were stationed in Germany.

GabbyM
01-30-2015, 04:30 PM
watched it just last night on pay per view TV.
It is gritty. Graphic violence along with obscene acts of human behavior. However compared to the stories I used to hear from WWII vets. I'd say it's a mild depiction of what they actually endured. Not a big fan of CGI graphics in movies and the tanks and battle scenes , while well done for the CGI technology, leave a bit to be desired. What I call the video game look. I thought the acting was very good all around. If I were to be the one to rate this movie. I'd award it an X for sex and violence. Not really sex but the reference to such acts. Some of which are considered rape by most civilized people. Such as the trade to a starving woman of food for sex. Nothing as disturbing as Brad Pitts homosexual scenes in Achilles. Definitely not a movie for impressionable children or the week stomach.

LUBEDUDE
01-30-2015, 04:39 PM
I understand where you are coming from Red.

I love Westerns, my favorite genre. I also thought that I had a great foul language filter, it doesn't bother me. Then HBO's DEADWOOD came along and I couldn't make it through the first episode.

Thanks for the warning, I'll stay clear of FURY.

Ben
01-30-2015, 09:03 PM
Fury is FULL of filthy language.

Ben

shoot-n-lead
01-30-2015, 09:15 PM
Fury is FULL of filthy language.

Ben

So is "American Sniper".

waynem34
01-30-2015, 10:43 PM
I wonder what language was really like then? Sure not like ours? But who Knows?

tanstafl10
01-30-2015, 10:48 PM
this is what makes the Big Red One such a good movie---- message is there, but they let your imagination set the language level

Garyshome
01-30-2015, 11:13 PM
My wife thought the same.

triggerhappy243
01-30-2015, 11:32 PM
I would bet that if more viewers were to write the motion picture association and let them know what trash is put out, they may take note of it.

If you really wanted to know if people involved in ww2 talked with a potty mouth, ask someone who is around 90 years old.

EMC45
01-30-2015, 11:51 PM
My wife just took it back to Red box. We both commented on the language as well. Not a bad movie, but they definitely could have toned down the cursing.

nagantguy
01-31-2015, 12:26 AM
Haven't seen it yet but during my time in the Corps I heard and spoke the flithiest language, and it rose in color and pitch when things went side ways like incoming or being on a ch53 that no longer has any rotor blades left.. But I loved dead wood, just saying. If you have ever heard a Paris island drill instructor who was really mad not just training mad you'd be immune to foul language forever!!!

A pause for the COZ
01-31-2015, 12:51 AM
Purchased the movie the day it came out. I did not notice the language. But then again I earned a face smack from Grandma when I came home on leave.
When I was in the Green machine in 1980. You could not speak one sentence with out a curse word at the beginning or the end. Maybe both, but had to have at least one. This was combat arms so I have no idea what REMFS talk like. Maybe " Please pass the salt?"

My wife on the other hand. Her tender ears caught them right away. And she was non too pleased.

Great movie, but bring your filter cause your gona hear it like it was.

pretzelxx
01-31-2015, 12:53 AM
I loved the movie for what it was. Sure there's tons of language but I'm sure they did it based on what was mostly spoken then and now. I hear the same things day in and day out at work. I had no complaints about that because I'm used to the same kinds of people.

lancem
01-31-2015, 01:12 AM
Haven't seen it yet but during my time in the Corps I heard and spoke the flithiest language, and it rose in color and pitch when things went side ways like incoming or being on a ch53 that no longer has any rotor blades left.. But I loved dead wood, just saying. If you have ever heard a Paris island drill instructor who was really mad not just training mad you'd be immune to foul language forever!!!


Purchased the movie the day it came out. I did not notice the language. But then again I earned a face smack from Grandma when I came home on leave.
When I was in the Green machine in 1980. You could not speak one sentence with out a curse word at the beginning or the end. Maybe both, but had to have at least one. This was combat arms so I have no idea what REMFS talk like. Maybe " Please pass the salt?"

My wife on the other hand. Her tender ears caught them right away. And she was non too pleased.

Great movie, but bring your filter cause your gona hear it like it was.


I loved the movie for what it was. Sure there's tons of language but I'm sure they did it based on what was mostly spoken then and now. I hear the same things day in and day out at work. I had no complaints about that because I'm used to the same kinds of people.

There for a bit I was thinking I was the only one that didn't think much of the language. My time in the military sounded just like the movie everyday, tough men doing a tough job. Vulgarity is nothing new, it has been with us as long as language. I now live in what most would consider a hard place to live that is filled with some tough people, this is pretty much everyday language here. Is it good, proper, I won't say, it is what it is..

smokeywolf
01-31-2015, 01:25 AM
Thanks for the warning gentlemen. I also am not too tolerant of gratuitous profanity. Also, not too crazy about war movies anyway. Liked Hamburger Hill and Saving Private Ryan. All the John Wayne war movies. Midway and Tora, Tora, Tora were OK. But that's about it.

smokeywolf

b money
01-31-2015, 01:54 AM
I'm genuinely curious, and not trying to be smart when I ask this, but does cursing/swearing and general foul and dirty language offend or bother you that much? I am asking because I myself am a very easy going person and not easly offended at all. yes I do say my far share and more of foul language, but I also know when not too. I very often think they are just words like any other, that for some reason bother people. Now I understand when such language is used in far excess to make an obvious point like in a Quinten Tarantino movie etc. even to myself it gets anoying but not offensive. But again I'm not easily offended. if this is not to far off topic what is your thoughts on this?

smokeywolf
01-31-2015, 03:05 AM
Profanity (as in a curse word in every sentence) doesn't offend me, it just irritates me and as I get older I am less inclined to tolerate things or people that annoy me.

OBIII
01-31-2015, 03:23 AM
I was always taught that "Profanity shows a lack of vocabulary". That being said, having spent time in the USMC, it doesn't bother me in most cases. Would I want my kids and grandkids to talk like that? No, not in polite company. There is a time and place for everything, and as long as it does not get in the way of the meaning of a scene, I can pretty much just ignore it. While you could say to someone, Consume Feces and Perish Reguritating", ESADP is much more colorful.

OB

b money
01-31-2015, 03:44 AM
Ok this makes perfect sense. Thanks for the view points

oldred
01-31-2015, 05:14 AM
In my first post I said I don't have tender ears and the language is something I hear often, not from myself however, my point was that it just seems way overdone in the movie and has an almost unnatural tone to it to the point of being very distracting. That aside, to those who remind of us of what we already know about what's common among soldiers, and I even mentioned that too in my first post, realistic or not since when does Hollywood try to be realistic in a film? Honestly the ONLY times it seems that realism is important to them is when sex, gore or filthy language is involved!

nagantguy
01-31-2015, 12:12 PM
My daughter says she doesn't swear because she is smart enoughbto make her point understood without it, I respect that. And Iwork in peoples homes 5-6 days a week and don't swear. My point was as much fear bordum and death as there is in war and training for it there is just as much cussing. I'd think being in a tank.all.day with the same smelly guys would be as bad as sub duty.

Love Life
01-31-2015, 12:31 PM
Profanity is par for the course in the Suck and especially in times of war and under the stresses of war and prolonged exposure to an environment that requires you to be 100% alert at all times.

I thought it was a beautiful movie and gladly purchased it when it became available.

The language used in the movie and how the tank crew interacted with each other made it very real and gave it a flair of authenticity.

I remember one time the Company GySgt said the F' word 84 times in a 5 minute libbo brief. That man was salty.

If you aren't accustomed to dirty words, you get an abrupt introduction to it in boot camp. Filler words like "Um, Oh, uh." get replaced with "F'word, S'word, other bad words" in the day to day grind.

When in an operation environment with it's stresses you become another person. The swearing helps you be and appear tough which is needed as in war you will see and do things that are beyond anything you could really imagine. You change, you become something else, you adapt to your environment. You become cold and callous. You see and hear things that before exposure would have driven fear into your bones and shocked you mind, but after living the life you laugh at it and say "F'in A!" or other similar things and terrible things. It allows you to digest, accept, and compartmentalize what you just experienced. As I said, you are different.

Then you get on a plane and come home, leaving all that behind (yeah right) and act like are a totally different person to your family. You have to change again to the everyday husband/father figure whose greatest fear is running out of milk for breakfast for the kiddos.

While the language was graphic, it was authentic and can't be taken at face value of just being there to provide shock value to the masses who watch a movie.

War is a gritty and terrible ordeal and small things like swearing and laughing at misery allow you to make it through.

quilbilly
01-31-2015, 02:08 PM
I was always taught that "Profanity shows a lack of vocabulary". That being said, having spent time in the USMC, it doesn't bother me in most cases. Would I want my kids and grandkids to talk like that? No, not in polite company. There is a time and place for everything, and as long as it does not get in the way of the meaning of a scene, I can pretty much just ignore it. While you could say to someone, Consume Feces and Perish Reguritating", ESADP is much more colorful.

OB I have always thought overused profanity shows a lack of creativity with language. Well said OB

triggerhappy243
01-31-2015, 03:06 PM
Well put, love life... Well put.

EMC45
01-31-2015, 04:17 PM
Oh I know the movie was authentic and very close to day to day routine, I just tend to want less of the "salty" language. I was dual service (Navy/Air Force) so I am not shocked nor naive in regard to the language, I myself had a mouth like a garbage can for a long time. Funny thing was when the one guy kept messing with Shia's moustache, my wife got really annoyed. I told her I could see myself or some of my old Seabee buddies doing the exact same thing while on down time or out of shear boredom. Hurry up and wait!

Love Life
01-31-2015, 06:00 PM
This movie threw political correctness out the window. War movies without swearing might as well be classified as SCIFI.

Rick Hodges
01-31-2015, 06:08 PM
I have not seen the movie, but I will say that I thought I could cuss when I entered the Army...I was so naive...there were more cuss words strung together in the most creative and unheard of ways....True artists of the practice....similar language is found in male dominated machine shops and police cars, and steel mills. If you long for the old westerns where they had shootouts at high noon with "fair draw" and said things like "well shucks partner". LOL...pure fantasy.

mullthing
02-01-2015, 09:54 PM
No need for this type of language, none.

RP
02-01-2015, 10:18 PM
It is a MOVIE would have been a lot better without all the foul language. Remember its a MOVIE and most do not want that kind of language in or homes or spoken in front of our children and wife. The more we expose ourselves too the more it takes to offend us. Just look around at what is allowed on TV now days naked survivor for one more porn and less ethics seems to be the new normal.

Love Life
02-01-2015, 10:25 PM
It's a gritty war movie that does a good job being what it is.

It shows the loss of innocence, trying to find civilization and normalcy in an upturned world, and the constant intrusion of the war into that to remind them that the reality is war and can't be escaped. It shows loyalty to country, service, and each other. Camaraderie and love of that man to your right and left. Over coming long odds and persevering through trials and tribulations.

I didn't let my kids watch it, and I let my wife make her own decision. The movie also has a rating.

I just don't get all the hullabaloo about it.

Hamish
02-01-2015, 10:37 PM
It IS possible to use a FEW foul words to get the idea across. I don't seem to remember too many in Band of Brothers. Yeah, it was every other word at times, both Blue Water and as a River Rat, but its still a crutch. Thanks for the warning.

oldred
02-01-2015, 10:49 PM
It is a MOVIE would have been a lot better without all the foul language. Remember its a MOVIE and most do not want that kind of language in or homes or spoken in front of our children and wife. The more we expose ourselves too the more it takes to offend us. Just look around at what is allowed on TV now days naked survivor for one more porn and less ethics seems to be the new normal.


Exactly, and I as asked earlier since when does Hollywood give hoot about realism unless it's sex, gore or foul language?

30Carbine
02-01-2015, 10:51 PM
Boy it's a good thing none of you guys are at my house right, now my wife is swearing every word is swear word because of this football thing. it's funny to listen to. it don't bother me anymore I have that what's it called oh yea selective hearing thing and tune her out.

FLHTC
02-01-2015, 11:02 PM
I saw the movie too and the language didn't offend me. I can't picture a soldier describing sex for a chocolate bar in a socially acceptable way. It is what it is. The one thing I found far fetched was the scene when the typist was cleaning the blood off the seat in the tank and there was a nose, half of a forehead and a cheek. If that was from an anti-tank round, I can't imagine how it only got one crewman and spared all the others. The fight against the regiment was a little far fetched too but hey, that's Hollywood.

tygar
02-01-2015, 11:15 PM
I havn't seen the movie but if it's anything like how Marines spoke in VN, in training, in the barracks, in any place Marines were together (except "maybe" around their wives, but for sure around their mothers) then if you havn't heard that language before, "you" havn't been in combat or probably in the military. At least "my military "65-93". Can't speak for "todays".

I know on this site you can get in trouble just for talking & using the vernacular when explaining a point. For example, "In the POOP"(spelled with a ''S")! Using the common term that all VN vets used will get you a warning.

I guess the point is, if some guy(I dare not use any of the terms that would normally be used) is trying to kill you & is killing your friends, you probably are going to use fairly graphic language, don't you think.

Now, do I think that todays movies in general don't need to use the graphic violence, language, & sex, then yes. But, is real life war, criminals, cops & todays young people like that, then yes to that also. FWIW

fatnhappy
02-02-2015, 03:11 AM
I suppose you all found the colorful language in Full Metal Jacket downright abhorrent?

cajun shooter
02-02-2015, 12:44 PM
Having served in the ARMY with the 4th ID 65-68 and then coming home to be a cop on the street I can say that the language is very raw 100% of the time. If you have ever been in a firefight, I promise you it's not a place for any person who is offended by heavy language to hang out. Every other word used by the drug dealers and users starts with a m and uses a f. I worked as a Narcotics agent for 6 years and it was hard to be on the street and turn it off when you arrived home. My wife had to caution me on more than one occasion. They have several people here who have never been in combat or fought with drug dealers and to those I say, I'm happy to see that you have been able to live a nice life, but don't put down on those who are in the arena.
My Mother in law was at our home just as a Deadwood episode was airing. She got up off the sofa and told my wife she was leaving as she did not care to hear such filth. I tried to explain that the show was using the exact type of language that was spoken every day in towns all over the frontier. My wife had me change the channel.
I'm the first person to call attention on the street or building where someone is using such language but it's also a fact of life. We have not achieved the Polly Anna world that we would like to see.
I worked construction with my father for a lot of years in the bricklaying trade and the language on every job was very vulgar by most standards. The only time it ceased was when a woman would show up on the job site.
IIRC, the Deadwood producers studied a bunch of printed material about the language used in that era and they verified that the show was being authentic even though it offended some viewers.
The good thing about America is that you may change the channel, or exit the movie theater and
you owe it all to those swearing soldiers. Take Care David

N4AUD
02-02-2015, 01:14 PM
Having served in the ARMY with the 4th ID 65-68 and then coming home to be a cop on the street I can say that the language is very raw 100% of the time. If you have ever been in a firefight, I promise you it's not a place for any person who is offended by heavy language to hang out. Every other word used by the drug dealers and users starts with a m and uses a f. I worked as a Narcotics agent for 6 years and it was hard to be on the street and turn it off when you arrived home. My wife had to caution me on more than one occasion. They have several people here who have never been in combat or fought with drug dealers and to those I say, I'm happy to see that you have been able to live a nice life, but don't put down on those who are in the arena.
My Mother in law was at our home just as a Deadwood episode was airing. She got up off the sofa and told my wife she was leaving as she did not care to hear such filth. I tried to explain that the show was using the exact type of language that was spoken every day in towns all over the frontier. My wife had me change the channel.
I'm the first person to call attention on the street or building where someone is using such language but it's also a fact of life. We have not achieved the Polly Anna world that we would like to see.
I worked construction with my father for a lot of years in the bricklaying trade and the language on every job was very vulgar by most standards. The only time it ceased was when a woman would show up on the job site.
IIRC, the Deadwood producers studied a bunch of printed material about the language used in that era and they verified that the show was being authentic even though it offended some viewers.
The good thing about America is that you may change the channel, or exit the movie theater and
you owe it all to those swearing soldiers. Take Care David

I was in the Air Force and come home to become a police officer as well. My father was a WWII Army veteran and my son is a Marine Corps veteran of Iraq. Yes, GI's use raw language, and in you hear it in law enforcement as well. I used to talk that way but slowed down when my son was born and quit when I accepted Jesus. That being said, I saw Fury and thought it was a good movie, and thought the language was realistic. I wouldn't take my 6 year old granddaughter to see it, not just because of the language but the violence and disturbing imagery as well. I hear salty language every day now as a court employee at a booking facility. I don't use it myself but I don't let it get my goat.

HarryT
02-02-2015, 01:34 PM
The General is sorry to be informed that the foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing, a vice hitherto little known in our American Army is growing into fashion. He hopes that the officers will, by example as well as influence, endeavor to check it and that both they and the men will reflect that we can little hope of the blessing of Heaven on our army if we insult it by our impiety and folly. Added to this it is a vice so mean and low without any temptation that every man of sense and character detests and despises it.
(Signed,) George Washington

oldred
02-02-2015, 02:02 PM
it is a vice so mean and low without any temptation that every man of sense and character detests and despises it.
(Signed,) George Washington

"Every man of sense and character detests and despises it"

Just because it happens and some people do it does not give reason to condone it. Again WHY does sex, gore and profanity seem to be the only things Hollywood is interested in being realistic about? Some of our greatest movies became well known timeless classics without the filthy language so obviously it's not necessary to a film's success, no (or at least just mild) course language in a movie is not offensive to anyone and I doubt anyone has left a theater or living room due to a lack of vulgarity so those movies can appeal to everyone. Not so with most of what Hollywood turns out today, far to many action movies are offensive to a lot of folks and while it certainly can be said that if they dont like it they don't have to watch it the fact is it's becoming increasingly harder to find such fare that is acceptable to everyone. Do we really NEED to let the morals and our family viewing standards drop to such lows? I mean really do we???

Love Life
02-02-2015, 02:45 PM
Well...when I began to grow tired of the offensive and inappropriate material on cable TV, I cancelled it and got Netflix. Now I can screen what my daughter sees and keep her from being inundated with totally inappropriate commercials that air during a children's show.

So, even though TV is full of crappola, I...ME...THIS GUY did not lower my morals nor allow my family's morals to be compromised.

However, I do not feel the need to pat myself on the back for that nor do I complain when a movie that is optional for me to watch is offensive. I just go on about my life.

Movies have a rating system. I use it. I don't rent/buy R rated movies for family time and I don't rent/buy childrens movies for when my wife and I want to watch a grown up movie.

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 02:52 PM
The General is sorry to be informed that the foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing, a vice hitherto little known in our American Army is growing into fashion. He hopes that the officers will, by example as well as influence, endeavor to check it and that both they and the men will reflect that we can little hope of the blessing of Heaven on our army if we insult it by our impiety and folly. Added to this it is a vice so mean and low without any temptation that every man of sense and character detests and despises it.
(Signed,) George Washington

He obviously never fought against Gooks who would tie you up, cut your genitals off and stuff them in your mouth while you bled to death. I'd say much has changed since General Washington.

Ickisrulz
02-02-2015, 02:59 PM
The General is sorry to be informed that the foolish and wicked practice of profane cursing and swearing, a vice hitherto little known in our American Army is growing into fashion. He hopes that the officers will, by example as well as influence, endeavor to check it and that both they and the men will reflect that we can little hope of the blessing of Heaven on our army if we insult it by our impiety and folly. Added to this it is a vice so mean and low without any temptation that every man of sense and character detests and despises it.
(Signed,) George Washington


No doubt George Washington was a good man. However, I find that a couple curse words can eliminate the tension and make me feel better when things aren't going my way (I'm dedicate do-it-yourselfer). It takes less time than crying anyway.

Additionally, there are times only certain words can convey thoughts feelings and emotions.

Interestingly enough, commentators claim that Ezekiel used a couple of choice words when recording his message to God's people concerning false gods.

Profanity is another tool in man's box that can be employed for specific needs, but probably is mostly over used.

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 03:00 PM
"Every man of sense and character detests and despises it"

Just because it happens and some people do it does not give reason to condone it. Again WHY does sex, gore and profanity seem to be the only things Hollywood is interested in being realistic about? Some of our greatest movies became well known timeless classics without the filthy language so obviously it's not necessary to a film's success, no (or at least just mild) course language in a movie is not offensive to anyone and I doubt anyone has left a theater or living room due to a lack of vulgarity so those movies can appeal to everyone. Not so with most of what Hollywood turns out today, far to many action movies are offensive to a lot of folks and while it certainly can be said that if they dont like it they don't have to watch it the fact is it's becoming increasingly harder to find such fare that is acceptable to everyone. Do we really NEED to let the morals and our family viewing standards drop to such lows? I mean really do we???

Hollywood has evolved from romanticizing real life, to simply real life. Somehow I don't think the south during the Civil War was like Rhett Butler and Scarlett O'Hara portrayed it to be.

oldred
02-02-2015, 03:15 PM
Nor did I say it was I am simply saying that we don't need to stoop that low in everyday family life, BTW that movie was at least somewhat successful in spite of having only one rather tame swear word in it, wonder how that happened? My point is, even for most of those who do use vulgarity most tone it down in front of people who are important to them so why is it OK for Hollywood and the TV producers to try to make it common place in our homes? I knew some would use that old excuse of "if you don't like it don't watch it" but that misses the point entirely, TV is rapidly getting to the point where there is no choice except to turn it off (We did that 14 years ago!) but now even the movie selection is starting to rot. I understand about the military and the real world, after all I haven't been living under a rock all these years, but that still doesn't mean it's all right to bring that kind of stuff into our homes! Do you guys really condone walking around in your home using profanity and vulgarity in front of the family? At least toning it down in a movie is not going to detract from the movie's success so why go over-board with it but more importantly no one has yet addressed the question of why is it that sex, gore and vulgarity seem to be the only things Hollywood tries to get right? The bad guys can't hit the good guys with a ful-auto from twenty feet away and fire balls fly off of wooden rails when struck by lead bullets but all Hollywood is concerned about is making sure there is the obligatory sex scene and foul language.

Love Life
02-02-2015, 03:23 PM
You REALLY stretched to make that correlation between this movie and one's home life.

If you don't want the language in your house, then don't bring it in your house.

Just because one enjoys this movie does not mean they condone swearing profusely in front of their family and random women and children.

To address your question concerning accuracy of sex, gore and foul language in the context of this thread and as it applies to the movie being discussed: It's the way it is and I believe accurate to the movie and the environment those men were in. War is not clean.

As for the accuracy of sex scenes, I've yet to see a skin scene on public TV that was accurate to what really goes down in the bedroom.

After thinking it all through, we should just repeal the 1st Amendment. I think that would be better for all concerned. Oh, and we should amend the bible to get rid of that whole free will snafu.

oldred
02-02-2015, 03:28 PM
That wasn't exactly what I intended to post but I missed an important part in the proof read, what that was supposed to read was do you guys CONDONE talking like that in front of the family but in either case the question is still valid.

Honestly that was a posting error it was never my intention to ask such a raw question and that was totally out of line regardless of being unintentional, I apologize for that

Love Life
02-02-2015, 03:30 PM
No need to apologize at all. We are all having a civil discussion with each side putting forth their thoughts and feelings.

danthman114
02-02-2015, 03:43 PM
so is the military in general. ever heard of cussing like a sailor? that term came around long before color tv...

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 03:44 PM
Nor did I say it was I am simply saying that we don't need to stoop that low in everyday family life. Do you guys who think that kind of movie talk makes for great movie talk that way at home in front of the family? That's my point, even for most of those who do use vulgarity most tone it down in front of people who are important to them so why is it OK for Hollywood and the TV producers to try to make it common place in our homes? I knew some would use that old excuse of "if you don't like it don't watch it" but that misses the point entirely, TV is rapidly getting to the point where there is no choice except to turn it off (We did that 14 years ago!) but now even the movie selection is starting to rot. I understand about the military and the real world, after all I haven't been living under a rock all these years, but that still doesn't mean it's all right to bring that kind of stuff into our homes! Do you guys really condone walking around in your home using profanity and vulgarity in front of the family? At least toning it down in a movie is not going to detract from the movie's success so why go over-board with it but more importantly no one has yet addressed the question of why is it that sex, gore and vulgarity seem to be the only things Hollywood tries to get right? The bad guys can't hit the good guys with a ful-auto from twenty feet away and fire balls fly off of wooden rails when struck by lead bullets but all Hollywood is concerned about is making sure there is the obligatory sex scene and foul language.

Can you imagine Fury ending with a Sherman riding into the sunset and the choir singing? A climactic crescendo of trumpets as they disappear through the hedge rows? That would be so unlike WWII. I suspect that when Hollywood states that their film is for mature audiences only, they mean it.

oldred
02-02-2015, 03:48 PM
I guess my point of view is that I would never talk that way in front of anyone's family members or in anyone's home (but then I don't talk that way anyway) and I seriously doubt most here would. I also would frown upon anyone coming into my home and using such language in front of my family so I just don't see all that much difference between that and a TV, of course a TV can be turned off or changed but that's the whole point it's rapidly reaching the time when there is no other alternative, I mean good gosh even some cartoons are taking a sexual overtone these days!

oldred
02-02-2015, 03:51 PM
Can you imagine Fury ending with a Sherman riding into the sunset and the choir singing? A climactic crescendo of trumpets as they disappear through the hedge rows?


Of course that would be silly but it wouldn't have to be that way, going from one extreme to the other doesn't make for very good argument.

Love Life
02-02-2015, 03:51 PM
I guess my point of view is that I would never talk that way in front of anyone's family members or in anyone's home (but then I don't talk that way anyway) and I seriously doubt most here would. I also would frown upon anyone coming into my home and using such language in front of my family so I just don't see all that much difference between that and a TV, of course a TV can be turned off or changed but that's the whole point it's rapidly reaching the time when there is no other alternative, I mean good gosh even some cartoons are taking a sexual overtone these days!

I see what you are saying. That is the #1 reason I canceled cable and moved to Netflix. That and it's MUCH cheaper. On cable, during kid shows on a kid channel, there would be totally inappropriate commercials. Not only that, but I also saw the sexual overtones. Have you watched the new Scooby doo?

oldred
02-02-2015, 03:59 PM
Like you we have only Netflix and the movies we buy so no I have not seen much commercial (and I do mean COMMERCIALS since that makes up most of the content!) TV in over 14 years. So on another note have you noticed the decline of Netfix lately? There has been a very noticeable lack of availability lately, in the last year "short wait" became common then "Very long wait" became even more common and now it seems one or the other happens with almost everything we want to watch. That was very rare when we first subscribed but a couple of years ago they started shutting down locations (despite still being profitable) and the decline has been accelerating ever since.

Love Life
02-02-2015, 04:01 PM
I have noticed that, but they just added a ton of good material from the History Channel.

Ben
02-02-2015, 04:11 PM
Just my opinion, but it seems to me that the History Channel has gone to the dogs.

If you like seeing a bunch of losers run a pawn shop or people pilfering through old barns, it is a great channel to watch.

When the History Channel 1st came on it was great, but sadly it has changed like too many other things.

Ben

Love Life
02-02-2015, 04:20 PM
I agree. I loved all the war shows and modern marvels.

oldred
02-02-2015, 04:22 PM
I am going to, as the old saying goes, go out on a limb here and say something that is strictly just my opinion.

I really think some very influential Hollywood people tend toward a degenerate life style, maybe degenerate is the wrong word but it's what comes to mind right now, and they want very much to push their lifestyles and political beliefs onto the entire nation and the scary part is they are in a position to do so! As an example Hollywood came out with the Fast&Furious movies (not at all picking on those movies however just using them to make a point) and immediately many thousands of cars were running around with silly (to me anyway) spoilers and such on their cars! Nothing at all wrong with that, had I been young at the time I might have done so myself, but the point is a LOT of young people are going to mimic what they see on TV and at the movies so no matter how you feel about sex, language or gore in a movie these media are a very effective way of brain washing. To have a serious breakdown of morals in our homes and everyday life is a sad thing for this country and while right now most of us would never condone filthy language in our homes nor explicit sex in public how long will it be before that sort of new morality becomes the norm? TV and movies are an extremely powerful propaganda tool that can and will mold the American public into whatever these Hollywood power holders wish and THAT'S where the real problem lies! However I fully realize that forced censorship would be worse and I am not in anyway saying that we should have the Government telling us what we can watch but somewhere there has to be a "happy medium" otherwise it means eventually people like Michael Moore will be setting the standards of morality for this country!

The really scary part is it has already started and is working quite well!

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 04:24 PM
Just my opinion, but it seems to me that the History Channel has gone to the dogs.

If you like seeing a bunch of losers run a pawn shop or people pilfering through old barns, it is a great network to watch.

When the History Channel 1st came on it was great, but sadly it has changed like too many other things.

Ben

Ben I don't know what cable provider you have but HC2 has fantastic programs. I recently saw one the other day about the Sphinx in Egypt. How the head is considerably smaller in proportion to the rest of the body and how the erosion on the legs are conducive to water erosion. A deluge that would have caused such erosion was more than 10,000 years ago in that region. Theorists suspect the head of the Sphinx was actually a lions head at some point, modeled after the constellation Leo and the Egyptians carved the head into a Pharaoh. Very thought provocative programing indeed. Now what civilization was around 10,000 years ago to carve the Lion and, did the Egyptians actually build the pyramids or were they just new tenants?

oldred
02-02-2015, 04:30 PM
Well upon thinking about it a bit I suppose Micheal Moore was a very poor choice for an example for that particular point but still I think the point is the same.

Moore does not exactly see eye-to-eye with most folks here on some other subjects anyway so I will just leave it like it is.

Ben
02-02-2015, 04:33 PM
FLHTC

Yes, my comments had nothing to do with HC 2, but I was making reference to the original History Channel.

I agree HC 2 continues to have some very good programming.

Ben

Love Life
02-02-2015, 04:41 PM
8lb kegs of red dot available at Cabelas for a good price.

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 04:48 PM
I am going to, as the old saying goes, go out on a limb here and say something that is strictly just my opinion.

I really think some very influential Hollywood people tend toward a degenerate life style, maybe degenerate is the wrong word but it's what comes to mind right now, and they want very much to push their lifestyles and political beliefs onto the entire nation and the scary part is they are in a position to do so! As an example Hollywood came out with the Fast&Furious movies (not at all picking on those movies however just using them to make a point) and immediately many thousands of cars were running around with silly (to me anyway) spoilers and such on their cars! Nothing at all wrong with that, had I been young at the time I might have done so myself, but the point is a LOT of young people are going to mimic what they see on TV and at the movies so no matter how you feel about sex, language or gore in a movie these media are a very effective way of brain washing. To have a serious breakdown of morals in our homes and everyday life is a sad thing for this country and while right now most of us would never condone filthy language in our homes nor explicit sex in public how long will it be before that sort of new morality becomes the norm? TV and movies are an extremely powerful propaganda tool that can and will mold the American public into whatever these Hollywood power holders wish and THAT'S where the real problem lies! However I fully realize that forced censorship would be worse and I am not in anyway saying that we should have the Government telling us what we can watch but somewhere there has to be a "happy medium" otherwise it means eventually people like Michael Moore will be setting the standards of morality for this country!

The really scary part is it has already started and is working quite well!

Life changes and so does our culture. Women's bathing suits used to be one piece. When the Atom bomb was tested on Bikini atoll, a bathing suit was designed to destroy the old design and it stuck. Kind of like the little go fast cars from the Fast and Furious.

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 04:50 PM
8lb kegs of red dot available at Cabelas for a good price.

That should keep you busy. :roll:

oldred
02-02-2015, 05:09 PM
I know things change, often for the better, should we just accept all change as inevitable including the breakdown of family values and morals?

After all Obama's platform was about "Change", how's that working out for you? :p

Love Life
02-02-2015, 05:11 PM
The breakdown of family morals and values occurs separately from the movie scene. Breakdowns of morals and values are direct reflections of the heads of household, parents, etc.

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 05:42 PM
I know things change, often for the better, should we just accept all change as inevitable including the breakdown of family values and morals?

After all Obama's platform was about "Change", how's that working out for you? :p

well it's easy to emphasize a problem but how do you keep things from changing? When you find a perfect society, let everyone know where it is because there hasn't been one since the beginning of time. You have to pick your battles and if you dislike the movie, the perfect answer is to not go see it. Cable boxes can now be filtered and programmed to keep offensive shows out of your house. You have the power to choose what you watch but you have no right to complain about what others are willing to watch.

oldred
02-02-2015, 05:54 PM
How is meekly accepting all change as inevitable the same as striving for utopia, I mean what is it I have said that makes you think I am talking about a perfect society? I suppose in your view we should all just let folks like those in Hollywood decide what we should see and hear and sit back and accept it as "inevitable"?

Multigunner
02-02-2015, 06:36 PM
He obviously never fought against Gooks who would tie you up, cut your genitals off and stuff them in your mouth while you bled to death. I'd say much has changed since General Washington.
He fought in the french and indian war where that sort of mutilation pales by comparasion with what the Indians did to their captives.
The British also boarded up some captured American troops in store houses and set the buildings on fire burning them alive.

Don't think for a moment that such atrocities were a 20th century invention or something only Asians were capable of.

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 06:44 PM
How is meekly accepting all change as inevitable the same as striving for utopia, I mean what is it I have said that makes you think I am talking about a perfect society? I suppose in your view we should all just let folks like those in Hollywood decide what we should see and hear and sit back and accept it as "inevitable"?

Doesn't the FCC do it? I think Hollywood does an excellent job. You seem as though you think that because you don't want to accept something, that will stop it from happening.

Ok, don't accept anything that comes out of Hollywood and see what that does. You are spinning your wheels at the very least. You should just change the channel or rent DVD's and smile again.

FLHTC
02-02-2015, 07:01 PM
He fought in the french and indian war where that sort of mutilation pales by comparasion with what the Indians did to their captives.
The British also boarded up some captured American troops in store houses and set the buildings on fire burning them alive.

Don't think for a moment that such atrocities were a 20th century invention or something only Asians were capable of.
I don't think that but to post a ridiculous quote like Washington's makes it sound like cursing and swearing wasn't around then. Maybe some of the words weren't in our vocabulary but the intent was there and has been since man could speak.

I just don't get how some folks think that things should stay the same when nothing ever does. Should entertainment stay the same without any changes? Wouldn't that be as boring as watching paint dry. Let those who are offended by award winning motion pictures, abstain. It's that simple.

Mtnfolk75
02-02-2015, 07:15 PM
I solved that problem years ago ..... don't watch TV or rent movies. What is Netflix?

Rick Hodges
02-02-2015, 08:13 PM
OldRed the question really is does Hollywood lead to corruption....or just reflect the corruption that already exists? Which came first the chicken or the egg?
The small "go fast" cars with spoilers were with us for a long time in the gymkhana set and the overseas drifters. California was full of them for years. Perhaps Hollywood helped spread the awareness but it was here already. I seem to remember the "Hot Rod" craze of chopping cars started in postwar California too. While the moonshiners just souped up sedans to run like stink on the back roads without drawing undue attention.

My point is: the corruption was already there...but we kept it hidden. Now it is in the open, is that Hollywood's fault, or a reflection of what had already happened? I tend to think that we give Hollywood way too much "credit" for having such influence over behavior.

jcwit
02-02-2015, 09:11 PM
I solved that problem years ago ..... don't watch TV or rent movies. What is Netflix?

But you have a computer?

Amazing Logic?

Lloyd Smale
02-03-2015, 08:22 AM
have you guys ever even been around a bunch of soldiers or sailors even ones not in combat. The language used is real world. Im sure everytime a tank commander saw his buddys in the next tank over getting blown to &&&& he didn't say "Oh Darnit" You knew even before the previews were over that there would be violence and language in that movie. Its why its rated R. If you don't condone violence or bad language rent the sound of music. When I watch a war movie I want it to be REAL

jcwit
02-03-2015, 10:38 AM
Correct Lloyd, even language at The Pentagon was Blue most of the time. It is what it is.

The military does not ***** foot around.

btroj
02-03-2015, 10:50 AM
We can have reality or we can have clean, we aren't gonna get both in a war movie.

When I go to a movie about combat I expect salty language, filth, gore, and what not. Movies that fail to show the realities of war just don't cut it.

Lloyd Smale
02-03-2015, 11:04 AM
yup theres not tea parties of sugar plumb fairies in combat. Its pretty obvious some here have NO experience with the real world military. I heard worse language then what I saw on that movie in boot camp by the drill instructor. Who do you want defending you? An alter boy or a navy seal!!

tygar
02-03-2015, 11:30 AM
I suppose you all found the colorful language in Full Metal Jacket downright abhorrent?

Now that was a movie. Ol' R. Lee was the real deal, as close as I've ever seen (of course he was a real DI). They did need to throw in some of the DI instruction sessions with some of us where the DIs beat the **** out of you, or do PT until you'd collapse or etc, etc, you Marines know what I'm talking about!

The one thing that we didn't have was the "nickname" thing. Everybody was just scumbag, _itch, etc. & that was when you hadn't screwed up.

Hamish
02-03-2015, 11:41 AM
I am simply amazed how worked up over this some of you guys are getting, to the point of saying that questioning how many times the F word is used in this movie is unAmerican and that its tantamount to showing disloyalty to the military!

When I saw the previews, I fully expected some language, and a PG13 rating. I'm just a little surprised at the full on R rating is all.

Sheesh,,,,,,

cajun shooter
02-03-2015, 02:37 PM
They have two things in this world that will have conversations that will go on forever, how this turned from a movie review to the morality of man is one of them. All it takes is to bring in religion or politics.
I posted in my early posting that I had served in the Army and as a Police Officer which are full of colorful language. Does that mean that I use this type of language or perform sexual acts in front of the public? The answer is NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also stated that I have called many persons down in public places such as WalMart and a grocery store among others. Does that mean that I should become the speech Police, again the answer is NO!!!!!!! Life on this earth is neither all good or all bad but we in America have the best position to be in on this earth. We may either turn off the TV or not turn it on and we may now know what a movie will contain before we buy that ticket. If you buy a ticket to a "R" rated movie and then become offended, that my friend leaves only you to be talked to, no one else.
The movies in Hollywood are just doing what they always have and that is to produce something that the public will pay to see. They have had the restrictions lifted in recent years and are now showing life as it is and not what a Walt Disney Movie portrayed it as.
I grew up in the 50's watching Ozzie & Harriet, how many of your parents slept in separate beds?
Does the fact that we have porn and other things available to watch mean I will, again NO!!!!!!!!!!
If I decide to see a western like Deadwood or a war movie like Fury only leaves me to answer for it and no one else. I don't condone a lot of bad things but the one thing that really upsets me is when one group of people decide to place their beliefs and morals on the rest of us.
I believe that you may live your life in any way you see fit until your style of living invades my same rights to live my life. Later David

Frank46
02-04-2015, 12:37 AM
I bought the dvd so's I could watch it at my choosing. Me and movie theaters don't get along. Took a tumble and lost my drink and popcorn. They held up the movie until the paperwork was filled out. No injuries but kinda embarassed. I've watched it and everyone draws their own conclusions so here is mine. Kinda reminds me of the movie "Sahara" with Humphry Bogart. Frank

wallenba
02-04-2015, 12:55 AM
How come in war movies with subtitles for the Nazis, or Japanese, that they never swear? Come on... give us some Nazi, and Nippon 'F' bombs Hollywood.

Multigunner
02-04-2015, 06:54 AM
Kinda reminds me of the movie "Sahara" with Humphry Bogart
That is a great old movie.