Group buy on Lee 6 cavity mold- Lyman 452423

[Hardcast]

I called Lee Precision and spoke with them about a group buy. Should be no problem if we can get a minimum 25 orders. This will be for a diameter of about .454 with straight wheelweights.
Who is in? If we get commitments for 25 molds, I'll start taking checks, and place the order.

Cost will be $56 including Priority Mail shipping. (this is in the USA, shipping will be more for outside the USA orders)


Here is an interesting article about this bullet: www.sixguns.com/crew/cba.htm

Edit: As of now, 10:45 pm on 3/27/05, we have 24 requests, so it's time to start the process. There are a few points that need to be clear.
This is a group buy. We are all buying these molds from Lee Precision togther so we don't have to pay the $100 set up fee to get a custom mold.
I am not retailing these molds. If any of us would have a problem with the mold, we have to contact Lee direct. Another point: If you have never used a Lee mold, you should read the tips on how to prep them and use them. They are different than iron molds, and have different characteristics. Mis-handling them could easily cause damage.

ORDERING INSTUCTIONS:

Funds: Hit the e-mail link at the bottom of this post and send me an e-mail telling me you want in on the group buy. I will send you my name and address by e-mail. Send check or money order to me. Do NOT ever send cash by mail. Include your name, full mailing address, phone number, and e-mail with your payment. I will take payments for 3 weeks and then place the order to Lee Precision. I will hold your checks until I pay Lee. That may be when the order is placed. As the checks arrive, I will post the list by zip code as has been done in the past.

Patience is required. We will get the molds when Lee makes them, and not a second sooner. Last year it took a month or 2 longer than was expected, but we did get them. Lastly, this is my first time heading up a group buy and it will be a learning experience for me. I am relying on the advise of those who have done this before.

Thanks,
Hardcast

[45 2.1]

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[Char-Gar]

Count me in on anythin to do with 452423. It will be a couple of weeks before I can send the check, but I am in 100%.

[Hardcast]

Count me in on anythin to do with 452423. It will be a couple of weeks before I can send the check, but I am in 100%.

Chargar,
It was your article that turned me onto this bullet. Is there any problem with linking your Sixguns article to the threads about this group buy? BTW, I though you were not interested in any mold made of aluminum. Maybe it was someone else who said that.

[Willbird]

Gotta LOVE that single lube groove, I will keep my eye on this thread.

Bill

[C1PNR]

Count me in on anythin to do with 452423. It will be a couple of weeks before I can send the check, but I am in 100%.

Chargar,
It was your article that turned mo onto this bullet. Is there any problem with linking your Sixguns article to the threads about this group buy? BTW, I though you were not interested in any mold made of aluminum. Maybe it was someone else who said that.
That was probably me you were thinking about. I DO NOT LIKE aluminum moulds, and especially DO NOT LIKE LEE moulds!

That's why I have 5 special order single cavity and 3 special order 6 cavity Lee moulds, with another 2 special order 6 cavity on order, and now another 6 cavity (in a style I just can not find in Lyman) as soon as I get this one ordered. And, if the 311440 clone deal gets to working, I'll undoubtedly sign up for one of them as well.:shock:

Do I make a lot of sense? Sure, to me at least! 8)

[Char-Gar]

Hardcast..use that article anyway you wish. I have no problem with aluminum molds. I have quite a few NEI molds and have had good luck with them all. I am not a big fan of Lee molds, but their six holers are a quantum leap above their one and two hole molds.

I have a pair of the original Oldfeller 6.5 Cruse Misslle molds and a six hole 8mm Karabiner. Both are great molds that cast great bullets.

[J Miller]

First; the .454" diameter with ww is great, but my curiosity is what is it going to weigh out with the ww lead.

Second; how soon would I have to send in the funds? Being on a very tight budget I have to plan every expense well in advance.


Joe

[harley45]

I cast a few of these in ww lead on a borrowed Lyman mold and they weighed between 242-245gr on my digital scale.

[Hardcast]

First; the .454" diameter with ww is great, but my curiosity is what is it going to weigh out with the ww lead.

Second; how soon would I have to send in the funds? Being on a very tight budget I have to plan every expense well in advance.


Joe

Joe, the original design was listed as 238 grains with Lyman #2 alloy IIRC. That means they would be just a little heavier with wheelweight metal. This is just as Harley45 found in his experience. Once we are sure we have 25 orders, then I will take checks or money orders for 3 weeks or so, then place the order.

[harley45]

Just a side note I size this to .452 and so far it has fed real well in my two 1911s

[Hardcast]

Just a side note I size this to .452 and so far it has fed real well in my two 1911s

Harley45,
I had to go to .451 to get reliable chambering in mine, but I leave .045" or .050" of the front driving band out of the case. If I seated them a little deeper, then .452" might work for me too.

[J Miller]

Hardcast,

Thanks for the answers. Now to see if I can set the money back.

I'll keep an eye out here.

Joe

[harley45]

hardcast I never measured mine but I seat to the bottom of the front driving band.

[J Miller]

Hardcast,

One more question; does the six gang Lee moulds come with handles?

I've never used anything other than the single cavity ones I bought decades ago.

Joe

[Ridgerunner316]

Count me in if you can get the deal going, sir.... :D

[Hardcast]

Hardcast,

One more question; does the six gang Lee moulds come with handles?

I've never used anything other than the single cavity ones I bought decades ago.

Joe

Joe,
Although the Lee 1 and 2 cavity mold come with handles, this is NOT so for the 6 cavity molds. The 6 cavity handles can be purchased through any retailer that carries Lee casting products.

[J Miller]

Hardcast,
Have checked with with the budget and we can do it. Sign me up for one.
Joe

[gregg]

I'm interrested
How many do we have now?? :?: :roll:

[45 2.1]

13 for sure and maybe 2 possibles

[Hardcast]

I'm interrested
How many do we have now?? :?: :roll:

Including the other Cast Boolit Forum, and my neighbor and me, I count about 16. There are a few who have posted on the threads but have not said they want one for sure. With those, we may have 20 or so. Still need a few more. Sometime this weeked I'll try to put together a list of user names who want a mold, and post it.

[45 2.1]

16 takers since this got started up on the 17th. This is one popular mold.

[Willbird]

I'm going to get in on this one, it looks sweet, the ruger will love it.

[trk]

I'll go for one. Let us know the address for to send the MO.

Suggest setting aside a few bucks for contingencies, count it into the nominal cost. If none occur use it for beer. You will have EARNED it.

Thanks,

[Urny]

Well, it's time to committ to this one. Another doggone Lee six banger.
I'm in.

[Hardcast]

Just went through the threads on both forums and come up with commitments for 15 molds. No response from the posts on Accurate reloading or Sixgunner. How about 45 2.1, do you want one? How about Felix?

Here is the list so far:


Hardcast-2 molds
JimL
45 2.1
bdoyle - 2 molds
tpr Bret
mroliver77
vrmn1
Highland Drifter
Chargar
Ridgerunner316
J Miller
Willbird
trk
urny
felix
C1PNR
Russe11
dogdoc
azrednek
old goat
bodydoc447
Mack Heath
AKtinman
Borderbrewer
alamogunr
armexman
Shome10X
maas


Total is now 30

[45 2.1]

Yes, i'll take one. I think you missed C1PNR and gregg.

[Willbird]

I'm for sure

[Hardcast]

Yes, i'll take one. I think you missed C1PNR and gregg.

I listed only names of those who clearly stated they were in. Some people hinted that they were interested, but did not say for sure.

[Char-Gar]

I have two 452423 molds. A SC Ideal and a 4 C Lyman. The Ideal is the old square lube groov veersion and the bullets will weight 230 out of Linotype, 240 our of Lyman 2 and 244 our of WW. The 4 hole lyman is round lube groove version will wieght 2-4 grains more depending on alloy.

If you get down to 24 mold order and are stuck...I will buy two so the project will make. If you don't need the extra order than don't use it.

I figure, I can always wait a year and get at least my money back on Ebay.

[bdoyle]

I would like to be on the list for 2 moulds (im on now for 1). Too good an opportunity to pass up.

Brian

[felix]

[quote="Hardcast"]Just went through the threads on both forums and come up with commitments for 15 molds. No response from the posts on Accurate reloading or Sixgunner. How about 45 2.1, do you want one? How about Felix?

Put me (felix) in too, because I don't think sundog wants in this one. He got in with Tony's RCBS nosed BD. We exchange molds whenever the fever strikes, and that is not often! But, we should have both styles in inventory anyway. ... felix

[gregg]

Felix where is the RCBS nosed BD project???
I'm in if we can get the 25 guys to jump in here.
When we get 25 to say I DO I will send the money.
You know I was cleaning up my reloading area and
found out I now have 6 of the 6 cav Lee molds. :oops:
All but one is a special order. Right there It came
To me. I’M A SICK MAN!!! Oh well no cure I know
Of?
1. 30 Fat
2. 30 RF 113gr soup can
3. 357 180gr RF
4. 45 PP
From the Mak.com
5. WC Mak 90 gr.
Non special order
6. 180 gr SWC 45 ACP

[Rrusse11]

Gents,
Welllll, haven't gotten round to 45cal yet, other than the 45/70,,,,, but a checked RCBS 44 look alike shoots so well in my M1894 that I better grab the opportunity.
Ayup! Put me on the list!
Can I put in a bid for a checked version????? Now that would be good in a leveraction!
Cheers,
R*2

[C1PNR]

Hardcast,

No need for ? after my name. I'm in for 1 each 6 cavity 454423 mould! :)

Presume you will either post address for payment, or PM or email us.

Thanks for doing this!

[Hardcast]

Gents,
Welllll, haven't gotten round to 45cal yet, other than the 45/70,,,,, but a checked RCBS 44 look alike shoots so well in my M1894 that I better grab the opportunity.
Ayup! Put me on the list!
Can I put in a bid for a checked version????? Now that would be good in a leveraction!
Cheers,
R*2

Russe11,
I'll be glad to put you on the list, but I would not count on this bullet shooting good at long range, especially in a rifle. It was designed by godfather Elmer for the .45 AutoRim/ACP revolver. It has just a little shorter nose than the Keith bullet (#452424) that was designed for the .45 Colt revolver. Other than it seems to work great in 1911 .45 autos, and therefore a good general purpose boolit for both semi-auto and revolver, I don't know why it is so popular. Come to think of it, you could try it and if you don't like it, you could probably sell the mold very easily. Here it is a year later, and there are casters still clamoring(is that a word?) for the 358-180 RF group buy mold. Any of us that have that one could sell it in a heartbeat.

[Hardcast]

Hardcast,

No need for ? after my name. I'm in for 1 each 6 cavity 454423 mould! :)

Presume you will either post address for payment, or PM or email us.

Thanks for doing this!

? removed. Thanks for the clarification. We are up to 21. Just a couple more and I'll call it a "go" and post my e-mail. The buyers will e-mail me for the address where to send payment. I think that's how Lar45 did it last year.

[C1PNR]

Hardcast,

I see at the bottom of your posting there is an "Email" button. I'll bet you don't need to "post" your address, just tell people to click on the button. :)

[Hardcast]

Hardcast,

I see at the bottom of your posting there is an "Email" button. I'll bet you don't need to "post" your address, just tell people to click on the button. :)

True. I may do just that. Thanks.

[Rrusse11]

Hardcast,
Oh I've got most of the Group Buys, great value, and as you say, could sell any of 'em in a heartbeat, but that would be so against the grain, :lol: , and VERY unlikely to happen.
The ballistics outa' any FN boolit in a lever , especially in one of the pistol cartridges, means that 100yds is what one can reasonably expect. Guessin' here the BC would be on the order of .100. But lotsa' punch out to that 100.
More than adequate for woods ranges here in the NE.
Gettin' the mould is a great excuse to grab one of the Marlin 1894's in 45LC with a 24" octagon barrel. I can usually push my hardcast to around 1700fps, though with a checked version, my bet is I could get considerably further, :wink:
Cheers,
R*2

[45 2.1]

Another one, dogdoc on old board.

[C1PNR]

I think I'm a little confused by different numbers I see associated with this project. Did we decide this was a .452 or a .454 as cast?

[Hardcast]

I think I'm a little confused by different numbers I see associated with this project. Did we decide this was a .452 or a .454 as cast?

.454" as cast with straight wheelweight alloy.

[Hardcast]

Hardcast,

No need for ? after my name. I'm in for 1 each 6 cavity 454423 mould! :)

Presume you will either post address for payment, or PM or email us.

Thanks for doing this!

I see now you typed 454423. The Lyman mold number was 452423. At one time, Lyman listed their 255 gr Keith style .45 boolit as 454424. Maybe that's where the confusion originated. We are ordering a copy of the 238 gr Keith boolit (#452423) specifying it drop out of the mold at .454" with wheelweights. (See drawing). Now I am wondering if I mis-typed it in one of the many posts I've made on the forums.

[azrednek]

Please add me (zivendine-ok@yahoo.com) to the list. Do we get the money order made out to Lee, and is Lee going to send it directly to us??

[Hardcast]

Please add me (zivendine-ok@yahoo.com) to the list. Do we get the money order made out to Lee, and is Lee going to send it directly to us??

azrednek,

You are number 23. Ever so close to the magic 25! Here's how it works:
I collect the money (make them out to me) and I will send the drawing to Lee. I will also pay Lee at the appropriate time. When the molds are done they ship them all to me and I send them out to the individual buyers. I'll be making a post about it soon.

[harley45]

I just posted a link to this over on glocktalk and a couple of other 1911 forums hopefully that will put us over the top.
Eric

[old goat]

...Please add my name to the order for the 452423 LEE mould order.


...old goat

[Hardcast]

OK folks, I think we have enough to start. Instructions are on the first post of this thread. The 3 week timer is on starting tomorrow. :)

[Mack Heath]

Hardcast,

I just found out about this deal. Please add my name to the list for 1. Thanks,

Mack Heath

[Rrusse11]

Hardcast,
Oh I've got most of the Group Buys, great value, and as you say, could sell any of 'em in a heartbeat, but that would be so against the grain, :lol: , and VERY unlikely to happen.
The ballistics outa' any FN boolit in a lever , especially in one of the pistol cartridges, means that 100yds is what one can reasonably expect. Guessin' here the BC would be on the order of .100. But lotsa' punch out to that 100.
More than adequate for woods ranges here in the NE.
Gettin' the mould is a great excuse to grab one of the Marlin 1894's in 45LC with a 24" octagon barrel. I can usually push my hardcast to around 1700fps, though with a checked version, my bet is I could get considerably further, :wink:
Cheers,
R*2

Gents,
Sheesh, and a M1894 in the above mentioned cal/configuration just followed me home today,,,,,,, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/viewtopic.php?t=63

[gregg]

:oops: Boys I'm going to pull My hat out of the ring :oops:
I think the BD RCBs look more like the bullet I'm looking for
for my 45 ACP Springer. Don't plan on ever owning a 45ACP
revolver. :?:

[Cliff]

Sounds like you have a good design there, would like to be put down to buy one. First time here so I am not familar with process to proceed with ordering if it is still a go or I might be too late. Thank you for your time.

[Hardcast]

Sounds like you have a good design there, would like to be put down to buy one. First time here so I am not familar with process to proceed with ordering if it is still a go or I might be too late. Thank you for your time.

Cliff,
Welcome to the group. Ordering instructions are on the first post of this thread. You are not too late.

[Buckshot]

................Any idea of a cutoff date on this mould order yet? I would kind of like to also get one. However I'm buying 2 of my own 6.5's, and the 311440. With a trip to AZ and back (with fuel prices, etc) I'm a bit thin and do NOT want to make a definate commitment if the time is too short.

Advise, please?

....................Buckshot

[Hardcast]

................Any idea of a cutoff date on this mould order yet? I would kind of like to also get one. However I'm buying 2 of my own 6.5's, and the 311440. With a trip to AZ and back (with fuel prices, etc) I'm a bit thin and do NOT want to make a definate commitment if the time is too short.

Advise, please?

....................Buckshot

Buckshot,
Well over 30 people have posted they want in on the buy. So far 26 have e-mailed me for the address to send payment. I have received checks for 12 molds. Counting my order and my neighbor's, that 15 molds. I am expecting a few more checks this coming week, which will be week 3 of the 3 week check mailing period. Whether we get 25 molds paid for by the end of the 3 week period, or not, remains to be seen. So as of right now, the best I can tell you is a definite maybe. :) As soon as we have the minimum order of 25, I suppose we will set a cutoff date. (that my best guess)

[Hardcast]

Just in case anyone missed it, the list of zip codes for payments received is on a separate thread in this forum. We are well on our way to having the 25 mold orders required to place the order.

[Highland Drifter]

Hardcast,
I mailed my check Friday 04/15. Should get to you early this week.

Brian

[Hardcast]

We now have 23 molds paid for, including my neighbor's and my own. Need 2 more to have our 25 orders. Does anyone else have a check on the way? 45_2.1, have you sent the drawing yet ?

[45 2.1]

My check and the drawing are coming your way.

[Hardcast]

My check and the drawing are coming your way.

I received a PM today that another check is on the way also. With yours that will make the minimum 25 we need. :)

[BorderBrewer]

Hi Hardcast,
I sent my check out today.
Thanks,
BorderBrewer

[Hardcast]

Gentlemen,
As you can see by the number of zip codes in the "payments received" thread, we now have 25 molds paid for. I'll wait just a few more days for any stragglers to come in, then I'll send the drawing and the money to Lee Precison. If anyone has payment on the way that has not arrived, please E-MAIL me and let me know. Time is getting short.

[Farmer]

I'm in on the group buy, if you'll have me. E-mail has been sent to Hardcast,I'll need a mialing address to send the check to.

Thanks,Ed

[Jared]

Hardcast, I sent you an e-mail so I can get in on the deal. let me know where to send the check. My e-mail is AgCatJHS@msn.com. Thanks Jared

[Cayoot]

Hey Hardcast, This is just a confirmation that my check went out in the mail on the day I told you. I'm thinking that you should get it tomorrow or the next day if you haven't received it already.

Thanks again for organizing this.

[Hardcast]

Fellow Casters:

The order time for this group buy is now closed. On Saturday I deposited your checks & money orders and today (Monday) I sent the drawing and a check for 33 molds to Lee Precision. I will try to get an estimated wait time and post it here with any other updated information.

[Hardcast]

Just received another check today. I called Lee Precision and they will not accept any more additions to this order. The check is going back to the sender.

Hardcast

[gregg]

Hardcast could we get a list of Zip codes that paid ?
Should be a 57317 there?

[45 2.1]

Hardcast could we get a list of Zip codes that paid ?
Should be a 57317 there?
Hardcast won't be around for awhile, he will post the list when he gets back, be patient.

[old goat]

...Excuse me, if you go to the bottom of Group Buy page, to Display Options, and click on the arrow at "from the" and select -last 2 months, Then click on show threads. This will bring up the older pages and you can read the old 452423 payments received thread on the page. Your zip is listed there.

...old goat

[Hardcast]

Hey, I am back from vacation. :) If there are any more questions, fire away. BTW, If I did not post it anywhere, Lee Precision quoted about 4 months from the time the check was received. It was sent on My 9th, so that would put the delivery time around the middle of September, if there are no delays.

[Hardcast]

See my thread titled "New Mold - Take A Look!"

[Hardcast]

It took longer than I thought to get all the molds sent out. 15 of them went out yesterday, and the rest of them went out today. Since Monday is a holiday, on Tuesday some of you should be receiving your molds. The rest of them should arrive by the end of the week.

[Willbird]

Thank you Sir for all your hard work :-)

Bill

[alamogunr]

Thanks. I was expecting to wait a lot longer. Promised myself I would clean up the accumulated WW and range scrap before trying out new molds. May have to break that promise.
John

[Catshooter]

Hey!

Woo Hoo!! My mould came in the mail today!

It is just lovley. HC, you did great! Now I just wish I had ordered an extra.

Thanks very much.


CAt

[Cliff]

Thank you for your effort, the 45223 arrived today, Have to hand it to the Post Office two days is pretty amazing. It Looks good and will have to give it a try out. Thank you for your time and effort in getting this all together. Good luck.

[Hardcast]

I just went to the USPS website and ran the Delivery Confirmation numbers for the 28 Priority Mail parcels containing 30 molds that I sent out last week. According to the tracking inquiries, all 28 parcels were delivered by July 5th. Unless someone says otherwise, as far as I know, this group buy is a done deal. It was a learning experience for me. And, I probably would not have done it, but I wanted a 452423. I not only wanted one, but I had a burning desire to own one. (Can ya tell? ha ha) Don't know if anyone else has done this, but I opened and inspected every mold before I sent it out just to be sure no one received an obviously defective mold. Time consuming, but worth the piece of mind.

I thank you all for your participation, and special thanks to 45_2_1 for doing the mold drawing. :)


Hardcast

[Urny]

Yep, got mine in last nights mail. Looks good, and hope to cast a few this weekend. Heck, I owe NVCurmudgeon almost a thousand .45's, so he will prob'ly get most of the first couple batches. Hope these are as good as his H&G wadcutters, they do real well in all three of our 1911's.

[Bodydoc447]

was hoping to be able to cast some before I sent a thank you so I could post pictures. Been way too busy and the weather has not cooperated. Just want to say a big THANK YOU to the group and especially to Neal for running the show. This mold will likely become my standard bullet for the .45 auto rim. Mucho gracias!

Bodydoc