I found a box of old/odd ammo.

[Eddie17]

A box of old/ odd ammo was on the bench at my clubs range yesterday. Free to anyone was written on the outside. I thought I would take apart for the lead, but on inspection at home some interesting items were seen. At least to me.
Most of it was 16g shot gun not shown in the pictures. The others were older center fire cases with head stamps I could identify.
Curious on the identity of the old rimfire cases in the second photo. I put a factory 9 and 45 for size reference.
Can anyone let me know what they are?
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[1911cherry]

Looks like a .44 rimfire maybe old Henry rifle ammo?

[Multigunner]

Are you certain these are rim fire rather than inside primed center fire?

[BrassMagnet]

I suspect 44 rimfire.
The Spencer carbine from the Civil War was a 44 rimfire. Those are old!

[Multigunner]

Looks like a .44 rimfire maybe old Henry rifle ammo?
.44 Henry was my first guess, but I've only seen those in flat point and pointed conical.

[Multigunner]

The Spencer carbine from the Civil War was a 44 rimfire
I think the military carbine cartridge was the 56-50, a .56 cartridge necked down to .50. I believe they produced a civilian sporting model in .44 rimfire.

[Eddie17]

It's all new to me. I will include a closer picture again with a 45.
Ideas on the others?
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[trails4u]

I immediately thought Spencer....very cool find!! You should be diligent in your research....many of those look to be quite interesting to the collector types.

I'll double your money on them if you want to sell/trade!! :) :) :)

[KCSO]

44 Colt for conversion revolvers??? The most common Spencer caliber was 56-50.

[theperfessor]

Wasn't there a .41 rimfire intended for derringers offered at one time?

[Eddie17]

If someone has an interest, let me know!
I picked them up to recover the lead. Then after inspection, I thought they might have a value to someone.
The person who left them at the range is unknown to me , as I am a new member to this club.
They cost me nothing other then time, if some one would like to make a deal let me know!
The older shot gun shells are also interesting.

I am very new to these forums.
I've just started casting in the last couple months, and that's what brought me to this site. Respect all the info given and have learned a lot in a short period of time.

[Michael J. Spangler]

check gun broker for examples of the 44 and 44 short rimfire.
expensive handful of rounds you have there. you could sell them and buy a gun

[RickinTN]

Wasn't there a .41 rimfire intended for derringers offered at one time?

That is what they look like to me also. Without being able to measure the diameter it's hard to tell in the photo. I think I remember the 41 rimfire derringer was the round used to assasinate President Lincoln.
Rick

[Charley]

That is what they look like to me also. Without being able to measure the diameter it's hard to tell in the photo. I think I remember the 41 rimfire derringer was the round used to assasinate President Lincoln.
Rick
Nope, percussion muzzle loader. Think .41 RF came a couple years later. http://www.nationalparks.org/connect/blog/artifact-gun-shot-lincoln

[454PB]

I once owned a .41 rimfire derringer. I did some penetration tests on a piece of 2X4 at about 5 feet. The bullet penetrated it's length.....the base of it was flush with the wood. I doubt it would penetrate a skull.

[fatelk]

Looks like .44 Short to me. Too long (and fat) to be a .41 derringer, but too short for the .44 Henry. Do I see some .38, .32 and .25 rimfire also? Pretty cool little collection, definitely worth keeping, or passing on to someone interested if you aren't.

I've been accumulating cool old rounds like that for years, have a big ammo can full. I don't call myself a collector, since I don't have anything that would mean much to a serious collector. Still fun though. I sure wish I could find my Cartridges Of The World after the move...

[fatelk]

Looks a little like these? http://www.gunauction.com/buy/10706367

I don't have a short in my collection, but here's a .45acp between a .41 derringer and a .44 Henry, along with a random assortment of other rimfires and relics.

[nicholst55]

I once owned a .41 rimfire derringer. I did some penetration tests on a piece of 2X4 at about 5 feet. The bullet penetrated it's length.....the base of it was flush with the wood. I doubt it would penetrate a skull.

Skeeter Skelton recounted a tale of when he was a mounted LEO of some persuasion, that he carried a .41RF Derringer as a backup. He performed a penetration test on a phone pole one day, and had results mirroring yours. He sold the gun shortly afterward.

[Dutchman]

If someone has an interest, let me know!


PM sent.

Dutch

[472x1B/A]

Were you able to I D the round in the upper left hand corner of the tray by its self?

[Eddie17]

That one looks newer and is a 450 Marlin, by Hornady.

[popper]

Paper shot shell are NOT cheap - barter or sell them. I gave a way a box of paper 410 shells a few years back, then looked up prices for paper 12 Ga. hulls - wow, $50 a box.

[Mk42gunner]

This seems like a perfect excuse to buy a copy of Cartridges of the World; then sit down with a dial caliper for an evening of Find That Cartridge.

Robert

[fatelk]

That used to be one of my favorite things to do- pick through boxes, bins or cans of miscellaneous rounds at a gun show, usually a dime or quarter apiece, then go home and spend some time with Cartridges of the World. Nowadays that's harder to do, mostly because anything I don't already have costs a bit more.

A few years ago I was talking to a guy with a table at a show, as he was digging through a box of random ammo. He had taken it in with some guns or something. As I was getting ready to move on he asked me if I wanted it, as he didn't. I offered to buy it but he insisted on giving it to me. Mostly common stuff but I did find a .30 Pederson, the only one I have.

Another time I noticed a whole pile of 6.5 Carcano rounds in the dud bucket at the range, live rounds with barely dented primers. I asked the RM if I could have them and he said "Please do".
It was a neat assortment of WWI to WWII Italian rounds, including a multi-projectile guard round.

[Blacksmith]

A look at Cartridges Of The World shows a number of possibilities, they have a chapter on current and obsolete rim fire cartridges. It will take some measurements to tell the answer. They also have a table listing nominal dimensions with a foot note that there are considerable variations depending on who and when made. the dimension categories are:

Bullet Dia.
Neck Dia.
Shoulder Dia. (for bottle necked cartridges)
Base Dia.
Rim Dia.
Rim Thck.
Case Length
Ctge. Length

The U head stamp is Remington Arms Bridgeport CT.
Here are a couple of possibilities, use a translator such as Bablefish if needed

.44 Short RF / .44 Short RF Long Case
http://www.municion.org/44/44ShortRF.htm

.44 Long RF / .44 Ballard / .44 largo anular
http://www.municion.org/44/44LongRF.htm

It might also be a .41, .42, .442, .46 or something else.

Here is the web site homepage, they have the best pictures. Click on the "" in the right hand column then scroll down to the cartridge you are interested in and click.
[url]http://www.municion.org/ (":.Fuego Anular / RF [/URL)

[birddog]

Ok let me try my luck, far right looks to be 38 short RF, moving left could be the 25 stevens RF, then 38 long RF and the others appear to be 44 short RF.
Charlie
put a mic on them and let us know the diameter of the slugs.

[Eddie17]

I will try to measure and post results with some closer pictures. Short on time tonight, but I thank everyone for your input.

[Chev. William]

The "U" head stamp seems to be 'Union Metallic cartridge Company' which was taken over by Peters eventually, and later by Remington.

The Diameters of the Bullets, Cases, and Rims would help, along with the lengths of the cartridges and of the cases.

The 'Small Diameter' ones in the photos look a little like .25 Stevens (Long) RF. If they are the case length would be about 1.125" and diameter about .276", with a .251" Bullet diameter.

Best Regards,
Chev. William