9.3 mold interest?????????

[hornsurgeon]

i know i am new here, but i was wondering if anyone else would be interested in a 9.3 mold group buy. maybe a 270 grainer that i could use in my 9.3x57, but others could use in a x62 or x74? wouldn't have to be anything fancy, maybe a lee?

[trmungle]

I would be interested. Tom

[45 2.1]

Maybe one of these. About maximum length boolit for the Lee six-cavity. About 255 gr. as cast. GC would be the 375 version.

[madcaster]

Me Too!

[verney]

Interested on a gas check model. What gas check size should it be .35 or .375?

[NuJudge]

I'll take one of either, or one of both.

CDD

[hornsurgeon]

personaly, i would rather a flatbase, as a 35 cal gas check would still allow gas past, partially negating the positives of a check. or am i missing something here?

[LIMPINGJ]

9.3 will use a .375gc.

[hornsurgeon]

stupid question, but how would a 375 gas check work with a 366 bore? wouldn't it come off in the lead or bore? or would it size down durring seating/sizing?

[mazo kid]

I'd be interested in a flat base boolit mold. Emery

[shooter93]

If it isn't a lee I'd be interested. 9.3x62 designed one that runs about 286 grains and keeps the lube grooves in the neck...you might want to inquire about that one.

[scb]

2nd shooter93. Not if they're lee. Don't shoot the 9.3x74 that much so a 2 cavity would do me.

[Scrounger]

There is an NEI 9.3 mold on EBAY. All the EBAY haters can have their wife bid on it.

[9.3X62AL]

Most 9.3mm mould designs use .375" caliber gas checks. They squeeze on just fine, and have a small convex profile that results. They shoot VERY well, 23.0 grains of 2400 gives about 1700 FPS and and five-shot groups at or a bit under 1.25" at 100 yards.

I "tweaked" a mould design developed by Eirik at Accuratereloading.com, not my design per se. Mountain Molds did the work, it is Dan's "default" flatnosed tangent ogive design. I worked the nose length for a drive band body length that equalled throat depth + case neck length, the ogive just kisses the leade when the loaded round is chambered. My CZ-550 has a pretty long throat, about .300"--and the case neck length is roughly the same. Boolit weight is 270 grains, and it uses the 375 caliber GC. I size to .367" in a die made by Dan--dunno if he still makes H&I dies, but Buckshot sure does.

I like the two designs by 45-2.1, one of the plain-based might get my vote for a lighter/lower velocity design. 250 grains of metal at 1350-1400 FPS, flat-nosed at .366" with 60%-70% meplat will put deer on their natural asses. I got some Lyman #366408 samples a while back, a plain-base 265 grain rounded spitzer with Loverin-type multi lube grooves--and these shot very well to 1500 FPS. I do have a little trouble with feeding occasionally with that fat meplat--a 60% meplat might be a better idea for slicker feeding, and 45-2.1's designs seem like naturals for Bruce B's soft-pointing method. I've done this with the MM design, and it worked very well on paper.

[hornsurgeon]

if using a 375 check, i assume that a crimp on check would be needed, and a 375 crimping tool of some type?

[shooter93]

The NEI mold on ebay is cut for lino and uses a 35 caliber gaschecks

[blysmelter]

i know i am new here, but i was wondering if anyone else would be interested in a 9.3 mold group buy. maybe a 270 grainer that i could use in my 9.3x57, but others could use in a x62 or x74? wouldn't have to be anything fancy, maybe a lee?


I would buy one like that for an upcomming 9,3x57-project. Can one join in even if one is outside USA?

[hornsurgeon]

it looks like there is interest. anyone want to honcho?

[LIMPINGJ]

This might be the place to try 45 2.1's idea of Old West Molds for different designs pb and gc in the same blocks.

[dragonrider]

Yes I am in for one also, would prefer the plain base, but I would go for both if it can be done.

[hornsurgeon]

This might be the place to try 45 2.1's idea of Old West Molds for different designs pb and gc in the same blocks.

i agree completely. make everyone happy. i wonder how much?

[blysmelter]

Any news on this one?

[KevMT]

I would buy one like that for an upcomming 9,3x57-project. Can one join in even if one is outside USA?

I'll handle payment and shipping for blysmelter to keep things simple.

just keep me in the loop.

jkhughes(at)in-tch.com

KevMT

[hornsurgeon]

btt

don't want to see this one forgotten about :)

[hornsurgeon]

anyone want to design/honcho or are we to let this one die?

[hornsurgeon]

it seems that at least ten people are interested. anybody want to design/honcho? PLEASE!?!

[blysmelter]

Please!

I would take the challenge but living outside US makes that close to impossible.

[45 2.1]

Design is no problem, you'll want a PB 366408 type or a GC model?

[Lefty]

I bought a 9.3 mold from NEI last winter. Their mold, at least, employs a 35 cal gas check, Nice mold BTW.

Jim

[9.3X62AL]

I still would like a plain-based design. 45-2.1's design is fine with me, or an NEI, ar a Mountain Mold. There seems to be some resistance to using Lee, where else would be acceptable? Both NEI and MM will cost more than Lee--and easily worth it, too. My rifle isn't belt-fed, so a single or double cavity block will serve well for me.

Ideas, men?

[blysmelter]

A brass MM would be nice:-)

[scb]

Old West was mentioned earlier. In that I don't have any experience with them I wouldn't mind giving them a try. I too would prefer a plain base 2 cavity design.

[hornsurgeon]

wasn't it mentioned that one maker (old west?) could make a dc with one plainbase and one checked? i would take either, but both would be more better.

[todd987]

I agree with hornsurgeon ....a dc with one plainbase and one checked. That would be perfect for my needs. I'm in for a mold regardless - checked or not.

[blysmelter]

I will take one, with or without the check, Alu or brass:-)

[hornsurgeon]

is anybody willing to honcho?

[no_1]

OK Gentlemen,
I want a 9.3 mould also. Old west will do 2 cavity with GC on one and PB on the other. Prices and info here: http://www.oldwestbulletmoulds.com/

I am willing to honcho the deal. If the group of purchasers agree to have me, I will send a e-mail Bernie at Old West and see what we can come up with. While you are visiting his site, you may consider having top punches made for the moulds too.

Robert

[Nrut]

What would the dia. be in WW?...:)

[no_1]

I would like it to be at least .003-.004 over basic diameter so it could be sized to fit even the biggest rifles.

Robert

What would the dia. be in WW?...:)

[gutshot_again]

Where are things with this? Seems like every 4 to 6 months the idea for a 9.3 comes up, and then it just withers away.

[Bike Rider]

Count me in for one mould.
A 2 cavity sounds great one GC one PB.

Let me know where to send money and how much.

Who can make sizing/lube dies for this caliber.

I also would like to know if anyone is interested in a heavier bullet mold in the range of 310-320grs for those 360 #2 double rifle shooters.

Corbin

[rojovin]

I would like one in 9,3 for my Merkel S/S in 9,3X74R and for my Heym M55 O/U in 9,3X74R
New to the forum.
RoJoVin

[madcaster]

Ready to pounce!

[Bike Rider]

Hello Everyone,

I just spoke with Bernie at Old West Moulds about a 9.3mm group buy. He said that to recoup the cost of the cherry he would need an order of at least 10 moulds of the same configuration. If the mould is to be a plain base and a gas check of the same weight (2 cherries would need to be made). In order to not charge any cherry fees he would need an order of 20pc if the mould was to be PB and GC of the same weight.

The cost would be $85 plus $10 to cut the two different styles. $95 total. Lead time is about 2 months after the order is received.

I am willing to head this one up and want to get started immediately. Anyone interested send me an email directly and lets get it going. Remember shipping to me and then shipping from me to you needs to be included in the payment.

Corbin
corbinshell at mindspring.com
919-810-3708 anytime till 11pm est

[only1asterisk]

I'd go for a mold with one gaschecked cavity and lighter pb cavity cut from the same cherry. That way we could run with 10.

David

[7-30 Waters]

I would be interested in a 9.3 dc mold. This would be my first mold from a group buy. 270 grain plain base would be fine. I just ordered Hornady 9.3x57 dies for my future gun project.

Does anyone have reloading data for the 9.3x57 Mauser?

7-30 Waters

[smokemjoe]

I had Walt at NEI make me a oversize 35 cal. mold once and he used 375 G. Checks on the 9.3 mold, When I sized it to .360 the check and even when bumped it came off. Joe

[7-30 Waters]

Has anyone had dealings with mountain molds? If so, what was your experience with them?

7-30 Waters

[johnly]

As a suggestion, I would order the mold as a gascheck design. Those that don't want a gascheck shank can have that section machined off the mold.

Only one cherry would be required and it would be easier to reach the order minimum.

John

[scb]

7-30
FWIW I've had Mountain moulds make 2 moulds for me and have been very happy with them. They were exactly what I had "designed".
The avatar is one, a heavy .358 for my Contender.
Steve

[Nrut]

I would definitaly like a gas checked mold for the boolit pictured in post #3 by 45 2.1 .....but I am some what confused as to who is the "Honhco" is as both No. 1 and Corbin Shell have stepped forward for the job and I don't see the mold listed on the group buy software or listed above in the "sticky" area....
Please let us who are stumbling around in bewilderment know what is going on...
Many Thanks....:)

[JFE]

If you guys are chasing 9.3 moulds and cant get the numbers together for a group buy you should check out CBE's offerings in 9.3. CBE offer several different styles incl PB, GC and PP from 200 - 355gr. Jim will also add custom features like longer GC shank, extend rear drive band, put two different shapes into one mould block etc. His moulds are made out of brass and work quite nicely. It's a one man operation and delivery can take a while but Jim will tell you what his timeline is when you contact him.

http://www.castbulletengineering.bigpondhosting.com/contact.htm

[7-30 Waters]

I would sure like to see this still work. I would prefer a dc plain base myself but I'm in the minority on this one.

[scb]

In todays mail from across the BIG pond.

[Nrut]

scb...
please post a picture of your casted boolit....I may go the CBE route also..:)

[scb]

Nrut...
Sure will, probably won't be 'till later in the week. Going to the range today. Didn't think to order a sizer die ahead of time. Will probably have to wait longer for it than I did the mould.
Darn.

[scb]

Couldn't wait. As bad as a kid at Christmas. Front dia. .358, rear .368. CBE .368-275

[BustemAgain]

SCB, Have you had a chance to shoot those CBE plain bases yet? If you have please give us an update. I am interested in this mould as there is such a dearth of 9.3 mm moulds.

[smokemjoe]

I have the same CBE mold. I use it in my 35 REms. I bump the bullet to a 1 Deg. taper to fit my throats. Takes a 35 Cal. gas check, In my 1-10 and 1-12 twist itll shoot at .600 at 100 yards. 18 Lb. rifle. Joe

[BustemAgain]

Joe, You use a .368in. plainbase with a gascheck in a 35 rem. Doesn't that require a bit of swaging? Are you sure you are talking about the same mould as I am?

[scb]

Too much going on the last couple of months. Hope to be able to soon. I'll let you know how I make out. Bustem' what round are you loading? Steve

[BustemAgain]

Steve, I am loading for 9.3x62mm and 9.3x74mm. I have been using Lyman 366408 a bit this summer as time allowed. I have a Mountain Molds 329gr FP that I am just getting ready to start casting for.

[scb]

Not too bad for a first try. I'm pleased with this mould and think that I can wring some better groups out of it.
9.3 x 74r
100 yds
270 grains (actual wt) CBE 368-275 mould(target is incorrect)
30.0 gr imr 3031
CCI 200 primer
RWS case

Ruger#3
Wilson barrel
1-12 twist

[scb]

Another 9.3 option.
As I was writing the message above I got another thought, I'm sure not a new one. .358 diameter paper patched to .366.
I've never paper patched a boolit before but I thought I'd give it a try. Using the paper that here at my printer I started cutting rhomboids out until I got one that would do 2 wraps and was what I thought would be the right height.
About 3/4" high and about 2 3/16 long along the long edge. Using good old spit I got 'm wet and wrapped them around these .358 dia. boolits out of a Saeco # 352.
After they had dried overnight I put some alox lube on my fingers, rolled the boolits between my fingers and then ran them thru my .367 sizer. They offered about as much resistance a sizing the boolits from my CBE mould.
I had read about sizing them after patching them here and thought “hell that will just pull the paper off" but it works. Now to load them and see how they shoot.

[Nelsdou44]

Count me in. I endorse the dual cavity concept, one GC, one PB using 45.2.1's design.

The 255 grain and meplat should work perfect for the 9.3x57.

Nels

[hornsurgeon]

no_1 and corbin shell-

are we going to do this or let it die a slow death?

[no_1]

Gents,

I have just finished reviewing the thread completely. Seems the general interest is as follows:
1) Plain base design
2) GC'd desgn
3) ~265+ gr weight
4) Not provided by Lee
5) 45 2.1's design is pretty good
6) Dual cavity is ok
7) Old west can make it
8) NEI can make it
9) Mountian Moulds can make it

Other things that have to be considered, this must be spec'd to have the agreed upon weight and diameter using the agreed upon alloy. Is it going to be plain WW's?

He can provide TP's for Lyman type and Seaco's, how many would be wanted?
He can provide sizers for Lyman and RCBS, how many would be wanted?

As my buddy says: "The devil is in the details". So this is where we are. It may be possible to have 3 different configurations of this mould. It could be a dual cavity mould which could be configured as either plain base or gas checked or 1 cavity of each in the same mould. The cost of the cherry is a consideration, 2 different cavities requires 2 cherry's.

What is the count?

Robert

[no_1]

Who rebarreled your #3? I have a #1 in 6mm rem that would be great but my 9.3 x 62 project?

Robert

Not too bad for a first try. I'm pleased with this mould and think that I can wring some better groups out of it.
9.3 x 74r
100 yds
270 grains (actual wt) CBE 368-275 mould(target is incorrect)
30.0 gr imr 3031
CCI 200 primer
RWS case

Ruger#3
Wilson barrel
1-12 twist

[hornsurgeon]

i personally will use it in a german guild rifle in 9.3x57built on a 98 action, so i would like a flatnose that would feed well. i would prefer if the mold had both a flatbase and gc cavity. flatbase would get the next vote. otherwise, either of a good design would be fine. as for lube grooves, i'm not so picky. as long as all would be covered, it doesn't matter much to me. weight around 270 or so would be best. i would prefer an iron mold, but an aluminum or brass would work. i would probably take a top punch and die for a lyman.

[madcaster]

I'm still in for a GB Mould![smilie=1:

[scb]

Who rebarreled your #3? I have a #1 in 6mm rem that would be great but my 9.3 x 62 project?

Robert

I did, back when I did that sort of thing for a living. It's a Wilson barrel. Steve

[hornsurgeon]

one more time with CPR then it may be time for a DNR? why is 9.3 so hard to get going?

[Shotgun31]

Any further interest in the 9.3 mold. I'm loading for a CZ550 X62
Shotgun

[murrayif]

Yes I am interested in a 9.3 mould as I shoot a 9.3 x 74R . Which weight and design is presently most requested ? Keep me posted .

[no_1]

Ok guys, here we are again. This have been kicking around since Feb 08. We now have new mould vendors out there. Anyone still interested in getting this one done? We could use Night Owl Enterprise which would allow us to accommodate almost everyone. If there is still enough interest I will see if I can come up with a dimensioned drawing.

Robert

[hornsurgeon]

i want one. lee would be fine for me, but others i know will be better. i just don't want to spend a fortune if i don't have to. it sounds like 270-280 grains, gas checked is what people were looking for. i would like to see a flatpoint as opposed to a rn or sp. it has to have enough ogive to feed well from a bolt gun, but flat enough for performance on game. i'd love to get a 6 cavity lee myself.

[Nelsdou44]

I'm still interested. Ditto to what Horn said, but I can make due with a 2 cavity.

Nels

[todd987]

I'm still in on a group buy. Hornsurgeon summed it up perfect...
Todd

[bullshot]

I would also be interested. Two cavity. Not willing to wait for Lee. NOE good choice without the year wait. Can be flexible with the design.

[Nrut]

no_1 / Robert
I would be interested in a gas checked design with at least .369" diameter and not made by Lee...
thx.
:)

[no_1]

I am hearing everyone's thoughts. We are going to get this going if it kills us!

R.

[hornsurgeon]

careful what you wish for.

[NuJudge]

The problem with 9.3mm molds is some want bullets about 235gr, some about 250gr, and some about 275gr. Some want gas checks, some don't. I was willing to front the money for a Lee group purchase, but I never had the feeling that any one design would have more than about 5 purchasers, so I went and had Mountain Molds make me a double cavity of exactly what I wanted, a 300gr gas check design.

[no_1]

I am working with DJ on some drawings for a RNFP boolit that will drop around 270-280 grns. I need the neck length of the brass please. Once with get the drawing down I will be posting drawings of GC, non-GC and HP. I really want to use NOE as they can accomodate all 3 designs and even a mix of designs.

Robert

[Nrut]

According to Ken. Howell's book the neck lengths are:
X57 = .3598"
X62 = .3063"
X74R = .5197"

[bullshot]

This going any place or die on the vine?

[scb]

Sorry guys. Life's too short for this sort of indecision. That's why I went with CBE. Not at all sorry I did.


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[no_1]

Gentlemen,

I am working with a 9.3 owner who has a custom gun that has a sammi spec cut chamber and Blammer on spec drawings that drop a boolit at ~270 grains. Soon we will have drawings for a plain base mould, a gas checked mould and a top cut of a hollow point mould. We have a rough drawing but are working out the details of the neck length and nose. Currently we believe the nose length we have come up with may be a little on the long side and this is why we needed neck lengths. The gun owner is also in the process of doing a chamber cast to double check some dimensions.

We have not gotten to this point in a day and I suspect it will take a few more days to iron out the design details. Please try to be patient a little longer.

Robert

[no_1]

Gentlemen,

Blammer, Shooter93 and I have been banging out some ideas. Dj will be posting them shortly. Please look them over, check the dimensions and provide some input.

R.

[Blammer]

Here they are.

Comments and suggestions are welcome.


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[shooter93]

DJ and Rob...lets close this post here and start a new feeler thread. We're wading through 5 pages now...it might be easier to start anew.. Thanks.

[Blammer]

go for it!

[no_1]

Please follow the Official feeler here ---> http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=643258#post643258

Robert