Would you donate a No. 4 .303" rifle to the Canadian Rangers?

[backbencher]

http://metronews.ca/news/canada/1187420/lee-enfield-rifle-phased-out-by-canadian-military-after-100-years-of-service/

announces the Canadian Rangers are hanging up their No 4 rifles b/c of lack of spare parts. Cast Boolits has more No. 4 rifles than the Canadian Rangers.

Who are the Canadian Rangers, you ask? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Rangers

And they patrol this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Warning_System)

which keeps us all safe. ONLY post in the poll the number of serviceable condition No. 4 rifles you would be willing to donate, and bear the shipping cost for to a US exporter. Canadian contributors would ship to a designated point in Canada. No need to ship to the US & then back again. I'm trying to get a reasonably accurate count. If enough Boolits step forward, we might be able to solve the Canadian military's procurement bungle, keep the Canadian Rangers armed with their preferred weapon against polar bears and probing Ruskies, and garner some good international media attention for Cast Boolits & gunowners in general.

I have also posted this challenge on other boards - let's see who volunteers more rifles. If you've already voted on another board, please do not vote in this one, unless you're willing to contribute more rifles.

Canadian Rangers in rapid fire:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Pep-Hfua8TI#t=0

[Rick Hodges]

I thought I read where they were replacing the N0. 4's with new Ruger Gunsight Carbines with 20" bbls in .308 W.
If I were a Canadian Ranger I would ask that you not do me any favors...I want the Ruger.

[backbencher]

They would like to have the Ruger. But Canadian procurement rules, just like ours, require native production, and there's no way will Ruger allow their rifle to be produced in Canada. So no Ruger for the Rangers. This is more to our benefit than the Rangers - it causes embarrassment to anti-gun politicians, and gives us some good press.

[jcwit]

There are no Machine Companies unable to produce parts in Canada? Unreal!

[JSnover]

Cant they buy parts from 'foreign' vendors?

[JSnover]

"National Defence and the Canadian Armed Forces having issued a request for proposal to gun maker Colt Canada for a replacement."


​Just as well. Asking a bunch of strangers to donate 'serviceable' rifles probably wouldn't work out the way they hoped...

[backbencher]

Kudos to the member who stepped forward. Another forum is 16 rifles ahead of Cast Boolits...

[jcwit]

I see we now need to supply Canada with arms during peace time.

At least when we supplied England with arms it was during war.

Lets see their current arm is an old bolt action, no one in Canada produces a bolt action rifle?

Somehow I smell a rat in the wood pile.

[starmac]

I have never owned an enfield, so donating one would be a moot point.
I am having trouble with this though, why do they want (or do they) want old rifles donated. If there is no one making suitable rifles for them, that the govt will let them buy, it sounds as if there is a business opurtunity for some enterprizing person.

[Blammer]

This is the funniest joke I've seen in a week. It should be in the humor section.

[bruce drake]

I'm willing to donate a safe queen I call The Bubbette (Still safe to shoot - just ugly) but I would think Colt Canada should go and tell one of their CAD programmers to start scanning and measuring No4 parts for duplication. CAD Machines make machining spare parts almost child's play once the program is written.

AND Criterion Barrels here in the US is about to go to market with BRAND-NEW barrels for the No 4s. They are in pre-production testing right now but their prototype duplicates the original barrel all the way down to the Knox form and bayonet lug. AND they have a Canadian partner company as well to export to Canada.

http://criterionbarrels.com/media/criterion-lee-enfield-barrel-status-update

And yes, I have money set aside to buy one of these barrels for The Bubbette when they announce their availability.

Bruce

[Artful]

I'm confused - why would you even suggest such a thing? - Doesn't Canada still have C1/C2 FAL's in inventory - And like the US . Gov the rules can be altered for specific needs if they need to purchase from non-native sources with a vote and stroke of a pen.

Besides that they would have to disassemble all your "donations" and get parts for them to bring them up to snuff. Same problem they have now.

[fatnhappy]

I double checked the calendar to see if it was April 1st.

[BrassMagnet]

I don't know where I could lay my hands on a serviceable No 4 303 rifle.
That is clearly not a No 4 Mk 2 rifle in my avatar.
That is not .303 brass on the ground!
Here are some better pictures:

119863

119864

119865

That's Blondie. I take her out for a date at the range every once in a while!
I think Blondie is going to tell you I am fibbing.

[BrassMagnet]

I'm willing to donate a safe queen I call The Bubbette (Still safe to shoot - just ugly) but I would think Colt Canada should go and tell one of their CAD programmers to start scanning and measuring No4 parts for duplication. CAD Machines make machining spare parts almost child's play once the program is written.

AND Criterion Barrels here in the US is about to go to market with BRAND-NEW barrels for the No 4s. They are in pre-production testing right now but their prototype duplicates the original barrel all the way down to the Knox form and bayonet lug. AND they have a Canadian partner company as well to export to Canada.

http://criterionbarrels.com/media/criterion-lee-enfield-barrel-status-update

And yes, I have money set aside to buy one of these barrels for The Bubbette when they announce their availability.

Bruce

Canada used to make Enfields!

[starmac]

I don't have his number, but to get the rifles donated in sufficient numbers to do any good, a call to Holder along with a letter of intent to use them against the U S population may be in order.

[bruce drake]

Canada used to make Enfields!

That is the sad part! My other No4 is a Longbranch but they aren't getting that one back!

Bruce

[JeffinNZ]

Not a hope. Ship them a few hundred cases of surplus Mosins.

[starmac]

Dadgummit, you Kiwis are selfish. lol

Something smells with this deal. I know nothing about the rangers, but do not see them asking for this.

[Dan Cash]

Now, just why would an American want to give a gun to a socialist, gun grabbing goveernment who will ultimately do as the British did at the end of WWII, dump the ordnance in the ocean. Mu grandfather loaned a gun to GB in WWII the the promise that is was to be returned after the war if recoverable. It was not but probably was not a combat loss as it was a Modle 71 Winchester.

[lefty o]

if they need them really bad, ill sell them one at full market value plus shipping.

[runfiverun]

I'd send them some once fired berdan primed brass.......... C.O.D.
and possibly a photocopied picture of my left ummm cheek.

[backbencher]

No one has asked for this, nor is there a deal yet, so there's no smell. I'm just asking folks on several gun boards if they would donate No. 4 rifles. If several hundred folks step forward, then there's a potential to put your rifle in a Canadian Scout's hands. It would be good publicity for Cast Boolits, the Canadian Scouts would have the rifles they need, and some anti-gun politicians and some incompetent bureaucrats would have egg on their faces.

[jcwit]

No one has asked for this, nor is there a deal yet, so there's no smell. I'm just asking folks on several gun boards if they would donate No. 4 rifles. If several hundred folks step forward, then there's a potential to put your rifle in a Canadian Scout's hands. It would be good publicity for Cast Boolits, the Canadian Scouts would have the rifles they need, and some anti-gun politicians and some incompetent bureaucrats would have egg on their faces.

Putting egg on Canadian bureaucrats faces is up to the Canadian's, not us, we have enough problems here.

If you seriously believe this would help the cause here in the U.S. you sir are living in LaLa land.

[rondog]

You clearly have too much time on your hands.....

[starmac]

backbencher, have you been in contact with any of the rangers??

This whole deal just doesn't even seem real, I have my doubts that they could, or would take them.

[Gator 45/70]

Where's the BS ICON at ?

Mods, If the IP address is out of Okla. then you have Gunkid trolling CB

[backbencher]

backbencher, have you been in contact with any of the rangers??

This whole deal just doesn't even seem real, I have my doubts that they could, or would take them.

I don't know if they would take them. With all of 18 rifles volunteered, it would be pointless to contact them @ this point. I'm just gauging interest. No interest? No problem. Folks want to put 500 rifles into the hands of folks that will carry them in the freezing cold to check on North Warning System facilities? Well, then we have something to talk to the Rangers about.

[starmac]

One thing I know for sure is Dem BOYS already have rifles in their hands, or at least everyone that wants them does. What a croc.

[plmitch]

Not willing to donate any rifle, do you have an address i could send funds to. I have a half dozen canuckian quarters I'll send over to them to help out. They don't work here.

[nhrifle]

In a sick, twisted way I am enjoying this thread.

[starmac]

Reading the links, I didn't see anything about them needing anything. My take is the rangers are similar to our national guard and the Jr rangers akin to rotc.

Nowhere in either WIKI links does it mention they are in need orwant of any type of donations.
Any of our Canadian members checked this thread, how about your views here.

[Multigunner]

A Canadian member of a motion picture prop forum wrote of how they confiscated a cast metal replica of Han Solo's blaster that he had mail ordered from the U S.
Sending a shipment of guns to Canada might not be so easy.

When they finally do get a replacement for the No.4 having a few more serviceable rifles on hand won't stop them from sending all of them to the chopper to prevent their falling into civilian hands.

Last I heard Canada had bought a lot of POF manufactured No.4 rifles from Pakistan to make up for low stocks of Long Branch and other No.4 rifles on hand.

A Bolt Action may be the best choice for artic patrol use.
The FN FAL failed the extreme cold weather tests when the U S Army tested it half a century ago, but they improved the design over the years so it may work fine in cold weather now. Maintenance is probably the main worry. I've read of some real horror stories on condition of some of these No.4 rifles after a few years in the bottom of a canoe or strapped to a sled.

Denmark uses a clone of the Winchester Model 70 for its arctic patrols. They had used the M1917 rifle and I hear a few of those are still in use at stations.

They could have contracted with AIA to supply its updated 7.62/.308 version of the No.4. Best of both worlds there. A slightly more effective and more readily available cartridge still in NATO use, and a stronger action with built in optics rail, the whole thing sharing many parts with the No.4 rifles still in service.

[backbencher]

27 rifles have been volunteered in total, with 2 from Cast Boolits.

[jcwit]

27 rifles have been volunteered in total, with 2 from Cast Boolits.

By Golly, B T Barnaman was right, 27 times so far.

[backbencher]

47 rifles volunteered, still only 2 from Cast Boolits.

[Artful]

I'd be curious to see the other forum's that are donating these rifles - Got some Link's?

[plmitch]

Some links please.

[brtelec]

If any of you are feeling a deep seated need to arm strangers for free, PM me and I will shoot you my shipping address.

[BrassMagnet]

If any of you are feeling a deep seated need to arm strangers for free, PM me and I will shoot you my shipping address.

I would be willing to help, too!
However, to comply with Colorado law, I would also have to provide my FFL's address and license.
Whenever Gov't needs us to fund its operation, there is a scam somewhere in there.
Can I just collect all of these? If I can't transfer them easily, then maybe I could just keep them. Wouldn't that be sweet?

[starmac]

By golly I want you to know I tried, I called everybody I know that might know where we might get enough enfields to arm the canadian army. For some reason they laughed at me, you aren't pulling our leg are you. geesh.

[backbencher]

59 rifles have now been volunteered for service w/ the Canadian Rangers. Cast Boolits is in 3rd place.

I'll be happy to provide links if a moderator will post up that it's ok. If you search for backbencher on a couple of other gun forums you'll find me, unless you stumble across a Member of Parliament, which I'm not.

I'm not pulling anybody's leg. You can read the links - they're legit. I asked a question. 2 people here have answered, and 5 people on other forums have volunteered 9 rifles apiece. IF 500 rifles are volunteered, I'll ask for pictures - of all 500. IF we receive 500 pictures of rifles in serviceable condition, THEN we ask the Rangers if they're interested. IF they are interested, THEN we negotiate. IF we agree, THEN we ship them 500 No. 4s and they put them into service. That's an awful lot of IF/THEN statements.

[Ajax]

Where are my hip waders????

Andy

[BrassMagnet]

Where are my hip waders????

Andy

Stored in a safe place with my credibility and my willingness to fund Gov't beyond the exorbitant taxes they seize from me at gunpoint?

[jcwit]

This dude is located in Texas, and wishes to ship firearms all the way to Canada, wishes U.S. collectors to donate them for free, likely wishes us to donate monies for shipping charges and brokerage fees to get them across the boarder.

This fellow needs serious help!

Here is what a "backbencher" is

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[jcwit]

From another forum a member has done some research and Colt Canada is gearing up to produce NEW bolt actions in .308 caliber for these Rangers.

Now then, why does someone wish to ship old outdated arms to the North??????????????????????????????????

[marlin39a]

Is this a joke? I live in the USA, State of Arizona. Why would I want to send these guys one of my firearms? They don't serve my interests.

[Geraldo]

Forget showing the rifles, how about showing your export license.

[brtelec]

Nor do they protect my interests. I think this is either a scam or a gullibility test.

[plmitch]

I half expect to see a gofund me link pop up here.

[southpaw]

I donate enough to the government. I sure as heck aint gonna give something to my government let alone a foreign one.

Jerry Jr.

[waksupi]

Whut dat smell?

[Hamish]

Backbencher, how many are you donating, what is your connection to the Canadian rangers, and what are you doing to further the shooting sports in THIS country? Seriously.

And what's up with identifying on another forum that you are in Kuwait?

[bruce drake]

Someone mentioned that COlt Canada is developing a 308 rifle. So my Safequeen The Bubbette is going back into her tower with her chopped barrel and collapsible stock and bubba scope mount until a real Prince Charming shows up at her door with a new CRITERION barrel...

Bruce

[jakec]

who the hell would give thier guns to the government of a foriegn country? and pay for shipping? hell no! i think we should be trying to get them to send us the few they have left. id like one.

[zxcvbob]

Backbencher, how many are you donating, what is your connection to the Canadian rangers, and what are you doing to further the shooting sports in THIS country? Seriously.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1678272_Would_you_give_one_of_your_No_4_rifles_to_ the_Canadian_Rangers_.html&page=1#i49974429] "I don't have a No 4, so I chose pie. I've got no skin in the game."

[bob208]

i am not going to go into is it a scam or a test or any of that. I will just answer the op question. NO

[zxcvbob]

119885

[Hamish]

Its a conspiracy,,,,,,,do away with wooden guns altogether,,,,,,

http://www.feinsteinproject.org

[backbencher]

Backbencher, how many are you donating, what is your connection to the Canadian rangers, and what are you doing to further the shooting sports in THIS country? Seriously.

And what's up with identifying on another forum that you are in Kuwait?

I don't own a No. 4 rifle, so @ this time I'm clicking Pie in the poll. If 500 rifles are volunteered, I suppose I'll have to go buy one & chuck it in the pot.

I have no connection to the Canadian Rangers.

I have been running this project for almost 2 years now: http://www.FeinsteinProject.org. So far, we have a working AR stock made of plastic bricks and glue. Here it is on my 870, running 24 rounds of 3" 00 buck: http://www.feinsteingewehrwerke.com/loes/stocks/mk8/mk8Prototype24rnds003in.3gp

I was deployed to Kuwait for much of 2013. Much nicer weather than Iraq - no chance of rockets.

Colt Canada has received a tender from the Canadian Government to submit a .308" rifle for the requirement. They have failed to do so in the past, b/c evidently they asked to build a license-built Ruger, and Ruger told them to pound sand. IF 500 rifles are volunteered, I imagine the Rangers might be interested in sticking with their existing platform. Perhaps not. We'll see.

I don't have an export license. I'm not asking anyone to ship me their rifles. If 500 rifles are volunteered, AND we come to satisfactory terms with the Rangers & Canadian gov't, then we would seek a US exporter, and you would ship your rifles to them.

I am pleased to report that Cast Boolits is now in 2nd place with 20 rifles subscribed, out of a total of 84.

[Freightman]

I will do it when PIGS fly around my house ten times

[starmac]

Will an 870 and home cast buckshot work on them flying pigs, or do I need to start looking for a different gun??? Maybe a 10 gauge double. lol

[fatnhappy]

Does flying bacon taste better than regular bacon? I think we have a right to know.

[Cowboy_Dan]

I would be willing to help, too!
However, to comply with Colorado law, I would also have to provide my FFL's address and license.
Whenever Gov't needs us to fund its operation, there is a scam somewhere in there.
Can I just collect all of these? If I can't transfer them easily, then maybe I could just keep them. Wouldn't that be sweet?

I can see the thread now,

"Mrs. Brass demands these rifles out of her living room"

I think I could find the funds for shipping and ffl on something like that.:popcorn:

But seriously Brass, you do great things on this forrum.

[JSnover]

It doesn't work that way. Once a contract is bid, the government can't back out and accept free stuff from private citizens. Send the rifles if you want to but the Rangers will have to arm themselves with whatever the government buys. Everything you send will probably be scrapped.

[backbencher]

As far as I'm aware, the contract has not been bid yet. If we have conclusive evidence the Rangers are committed to another rifle, the project will be dropped. If we get to 500 rifles before a contract is signed, we'll contact the Rangers and ask if they're interested. 92 rifles volunteered. Cast Boolits still in 2nd place.

[JSnover]

Contact them now so they have a chance to sell the idea to whoever is responsible. The Rangers probably don't have the authority to accept gifts of that nature without approval. Its hard to do favors for a gov't agency.

[backbencher]

Not going to contact them until there's so much interest on our side that we have something to contact them about.

"Hey, I have a couple of internet polls that say some folks want to give you 92 rifles." vs "Here are 500 rifles, w/ serial numbers and pictures. Would you be interested?" If they're not interested, no harm, no foul, and we'll have an interesting photographic survey of 500 No.4 rifles, by serial number. If we don't get to 500 in the polls, then no harm, no foul. I asked a question, and it was answered.

[salpal48]

This Is a very sad Joke. Asking the american Gun owners to send and donate . Maybe they will take Bows & Arrows

[starmac]

I have to question why we need or want an interesting photographic survey of 500 rifles and serial numbers. I am now questioning your motive with these shenanagins.

[Ilwil]

As has been said above, Canada made a lot of these during the war at their Long Branch arsenal, and they are considered to be of better quality than the British ones. Canada still has a lot of privately owned rifles. A news report today about the Ottawa attacks said Canadian actually own more long guns per capita than do Americans. So, if the Eskimo Scouts really want them, I'm sure they can be found there. As for weaponry needing to be produced there, I'm dubious. Canadian cops and military also need handguns and I'm sure they go elsewhere to find them.

[backbencher]

I have to question why we need or want an interesting photographic survey of 500 rifles and serial numbers. I am now questioning your motive with these shenanagins.

What motive are you questioning? What shenanigans are you talking about? It's an internet poll asking a question. IF 500 rifles are volunteered, then I ask for photographic evidence that those rifles are in existence, and in good condition. Then we have something to go ask the Rangers about. If they're interested, then we proceed. If not, then nothing - you have pretty pictures of 500 No. 4 rifles on the web. How is that shenanigans?

[starmac]

Let's just say your mind apparently works different than mine. And don't leave out you originally said pictures complete with serial numbers.

To be truthful, the way my mind works, I wouldn't send you a picture of my old double barrel rubber band gun.

[lefty o]

id bet the odds that anyone has and is willing to donate 10 rifles is beyond slim to none. whoever picked anything higher than PIE on your poll is messing with you!!!!!!!!!! the whole premise of this is far fetched enough to be called rediculous.

[Handloader109]

Seriously? This is such a waste of our time it is a joke,. Mods should not only close this thread, but delete it! Canada does not protect the United States. As we see today, they can't protect themselves.

[fatnhappy]

I believe the gentleman is reminding our members to be justly cautious in turning over their rifles to a relatively unknown person that joined this forum 9 days ago and has, outside of this thread, a mere 10 posts to date. A person with no known affiliation to the Canadian Rangers, no bona fides to speak of, no plan or authority to make the donation, in an undertaking of dubious legality. A "give me the rifles first" plan based exclusively on placing trust in you might be deemed by this community with a just sense of incredulity.

To say my enthusiasm would be tempered with prudence is an understatement. Fortunately there's no need because if it's really that important Canada can buy whatever the hell it wants, and I wouldn't donate one thimble of "give a ****."

I of course can not speak for the gentleman, so please regard my post as mere opinion.

[starmac]

Seriously? This is such a waste of our time it is a joke,. Mods should not only close this thread, but delete it! Canada does not protect the United States. As we see today, they can't protect themselves.

Are you serious???

[backbencher]

I believe the gentleman is reminding our members to be justly cautious in turning over their rifles to a relatively unknown person that joined this forum 9 days ago and has, outside of this thread, a mere 10 posts to date. A person with no known affiliation to the Canadian Rangers, no bona fides to speak of, no plan or authority to make the donation in an undertaking of dubious legality. A "give me the rifles first" plan based exclusively on placing trust in you might be deemed by this community with a just sense of incredulity.

To say my enthusiasm would be tempered with prudence is an understatement. Fortunately there's no need because Canada can buy whatever the hell it wants if it's really that important, and I wouldn't donate one thimble of "give a ****."

I of course can not speak for the gentleman, so please regard my post as mere opinion.

That's fair enough. I'm new here. There's a poll running on another website that has the approval of the mods there, and there was a poll on another website, of which I'm a long time member, that was locked by a moderator. I'm not asking that anyone ship any rifles to me, nor would I. I'm not trying to make money off of this, nor do I see how one could. There's no relationship w/ the Rangers b/c I don't have one, and until there's an awful lot of pictures, there's nothing to talk to them about.

Canada CAN buy their own weapons. The question is will they do so in a timely manner? And once they do so, the No. 4 will be taken out of service in North America forever. Through our charitable efforts, we MIGHT be able to keep the No. 4 in useful service.

Until we get to 500 volunteered rifles, this is just an interesting poll.

If we get there, absolutely I would ask for bona fides in the form of pictures, to include serial numbers. B/c if I were to go the Rangers, they would ask for bona fides. And given that other than pride in maintaining the No. 4 in service all we get is publicity, the only way we get publicity is through easily accessible evidence that the offer is real.

If you don't want to donate your No. 4 rifle, that's perfectly understandable. I don't have one to donate, but if we get to 499 I suppose I'll have to go buy one. As for questionable legality, I wasn't planning on not jumping through all the ITAR hoops, any of which might block the project - and leave your No. 4 in your safe.

[JSnover]

Assuming it's legit, I still would give the Canucks a heads-up. By the time you collect enough donors to make your offer it might be too late. Let them know what you're trying to do or the response might be something like, "You could have told us six months ago, eh? F-all we can do aboot it now."

[lefty o]

so your asking people to donate something that you yourself dont have to donate? imo, now you really have no credibility.

[waksupi]

Rather presumptuous to start a thread like this, with no end game laid out. I don't believe I will be having any dealings with this person. I feel the little hairs standing up on the back of my neck.

[bruce drake]

As I posted before, the idea is starting to stink and the issue we have here is not Russians coming over the Arctic Circle but Islamists attacking us in our own cities.

And I don't recall the plan to give you pictures or serial numbers of our firearms. Just the ticket for you to claim to the BATF that the rifle was stolen from you and you know who stole it from you...

Bruce

[jcwit]

And I believe there are some here that think I have problems.

Why do we just not lock this fiasco.

[Plate plinker]

Waste of time....... Who cares if there are no no 4s inservice.

[TXGunNut]

I have a British Enfield with a very sloppy bore that would be free to a good home but there are too many things wrong with this scenario. Pass.

[762 shooter]

Does pie mean 0? or 3.14 Enfields?

No. and No.

If this is not a joke it should be.

762

[runfiverun]

I'd close this thread but I just read the whole thing and can't quit laughing.

oh and to the 20 dudes that ummm,, what do you?? that ohhh, uhh ya, pledged a number-4 to this deal...
pm me so we can chat.

[ insert picture of captain Picard's second in command here, holding his forehead.]
jeez.

[alrighty]

I didn't realize that Canada was so strapped for cash.

[Hamish]

I'm asking for 500 garden variety wheelbarrows, to be converted at the donators expense to grade 1, Mark 2 Tactical Wheelbarrows, to be night air dropped, low altitude-low opening, into the middle of Disneyland, for a danger close force recon of Snow Whites a Castle,,,,,,

[TXGunNut]

I'm asking for 500 garden variety wheelbarrows, to be converted at the donators expense to grade 1, Mark 2 Tactical Wheelbarrows, to be night air dropped, low altitude-low opening, into the middle of Disneyland, for a danger close force recon of Snow Whites a Castle,,,,,,

Do the buckets need to be powder coated or is that part of the conversion? Tire is already treated with Slime, good thing this is a LALO drop. Wouldn't want to be responsible for Sliming the cargo hold during a HALO drop.

[GOPHER SLAYER]

After the events of the past two days in Canada I think if I were them I would be giving serious consideration to upgrading all men in arms to something more up to date such as H&K, FN, AR 15 or even AK47.

[starmac]

I personally thijnk Canada handled it pretty well, compared to say FT Hood.

[runfiverun]

I ain't donating a supremely viable 10-22 to the wheel barrow project either,,, so don't even ask.

[Geraldo]

How about arming Floridians? We're being overrun by an evil enemy-the feral hog. Send me 50 good quality bolt action rifles (Weatherby, Rem. 700s, Win. 70s, Rugers, etc) and I'll arm some like minded individuals to save America from swine. Quality optics a plus. I'm open to all calibers, but .280AI, .300 Weatherby, any 9.3mm, and .358 Win would really be great.

[Southern Son]

i'm asking for 500 garden variety wheelbarrows, to be converted at the donators expense to grade 1, mark 2 tactical wheelbarrows, to be night air dropped, low altitude-low opening, into the middle of disneyland, for a danger close force recon of snow whites a castle,,,,,,

gunkid rides again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bruce drake]

It was nice to see a leader of a free country identify terrorism as it properly is and not try to parse it out as "workplace violence"...

[jcwit]

Refreshing isn't it. Now for our politician's to follow suit.

????????????????????????EH, likely not!

[shaper]

When I hear on the 6:00 news that the Canadian Rangers are desperate for a rifle so they can protect their country from invading terrorist, I might consider your request . But don't hold your breath.
The Canadian government, just like any other government, can outfit their Rangers, police, or army, with any item they want or need, at the drop of a hat.
If their current fire arm is worn out, let them do as they should for their people, replace it with a new one and put the old ones on the market. They could have a nice income towards paying off the new weapons, and I might be able to afford to buy one myself.
I just have to wonder what your real intentions are here.

[minmax]

I can't believe I just read all five pages of this and didn't shoot myself.
On another note to TxGunNut, I don't have an Enfield but I sure would give it a good home. I'll be heading down to El Paso in a few weeks. So I can swing by and pick it up. How sloppy is the bore, do you think Slime would help? It might be worth a try.
No really I am going down to TX. So I bring the Slime with me.

[minmax]

Even that this whole thing is a load of ****. I did read an interesting article, from a Canadian website aboot this. Quote and I'll try to link the site if I can figure it out.

And the red-shirted Rangers — made up largely of aboriginal volunteers — have been using Lee-Enfield rifles little changed from the First World War version since the group was first established in 1947.
“The Rangers were not issued this weapon to fight an enemy, they were given the rifle because they are operating in one of the harshest environments in the world,” says Capt. Mark Rittwage, officer commander of the 3rd Canadian Patrol Group, Northern Ontario.
“And . . . the predators that are there, polar bears, wolves, even bull moose during rutting season, can cause a danger to our Rangers,” Rittwage says.
Lee-Enfields are issued to Rangers primarily for self-defence, he stresses. The Rangers are trained to kill only if clearly threatened.
“Polar bears will stalk the Rangers. And although polar bears are a protected animal, if you’re faced with life and limb, if that polar bear is out to kill you, you’re going to have to take its life. And that .303 has the stopping power to do that.”

http://metronews.ca/news/canada/1187420/lee-enfield-rifle-phased-out-by-canadian-military-after-100-years-of-service/

[minmax]

I did learn a lot more about Enfields because of this stupid post. All morning I have been googling different topics on the Lee- Enfield. I also found this from August 2013. Kick-Starting DND's Bolt-action 'New Canadian Ranger Rifle' Project:


http://www.casr.ca/mp-enfield.htm And now I also learned how to put link in my text. Now have to figure out how all the other features of "reply to thread" work. I am coming along slowly. I can't type I ain't pretty and my legs are thin...
And I'll sleep better tonight knowing Canada is safe.

[backbencher]

As I posted before, the idea is starting to stink and the issue we have here is not Russians coming over the Arctic Circle but Islamists attacking us in our own cities.

And I don't recall the plan to give you pictures or serial numbers of our firearms. Just the ticket for you to claim to the BATF that the rifle was stolen from you and you know who stole it from you...

Bruce

Bruce, it's quite alright to have your doubts about me or this scheme. To allege that somehow I want a serial number of your No. 4 so that I can report it to the BATFE as stolen is ridiculous. If you were to post pictures of your No. 4, and anyone were to claim it stolen, a quick Google search of the serial number would lead the police to a picture of your rifle. Posted by you on Cast Boolits. As one of 500 rifles volunteered for use by the Canadian Rangers. And then they'd arrest said liar for making a false police report. If you've got a better idea of how to present bona fides to the Canadian Rangers, I'd love to hear it. Y'all have a great weekend. I'm off for rifle qualification. See you on Monday.

[jcwit]

Bruce, it's quite alright to have your doubts about me or this scheme.

Bob Oh Boy, you sure have that terminology correct. Scheme says it all.

Thank you very much for making clear just what it is.

[lefty o]

i believe dillusional is a fitting word for all of this. lol

[Blammer]

since we are all dreaming, I'll donate 9 rifles and a million rounds of ammo too. :)

[BrassMagnet]

I'm still willing to store them all in my living room and keep them if it turns out it is too inconvenient to ship them to Canada. I sure hope Mrs Brass won't make me clear out the living room. LOL!

[10x]

The contract for a made in Canada Ranger rifle has apparently been awarded to Colt Canada.
The rifle design is unknown at the moment , but hopefully it will be a No. 4 in 308 with a micrometer receiver sight and quick detach scope mounts.
The Canadian government will not be supplying scopes.

There is enough manufacturing capacity in the oilpatch to build an endless supply of parts for the existing rifle.
Apparently this is not an option

[TXGunNut]

I personally thijnk Canada handled it pretty well, compared to say FT Hood.

Agreed, from what I could see their tactics were quite solid. Sgt at Arms deserved the round of applause he got today, nicely done.

[salpal48]

Please help Somebody End this Joke

[runfiverun]

I'm curious.
minmax why do you care about this?
if mexico needed guns the dotgov guy's would find a way to get them there.
if the middle east needed guns for sumthin they could get them there too.

I'm really thinking a close ally like the one to our north [that we are just barely jacking around on a couple billion dollars worth of trade agreements and such] would just ask us for stuff from our arsenal or just pick up a few hundred Korean M-1 garands.

I'd really like to know why your so wrapped up in this?

[nhrifle]

Actually we already sent a bunch of guns to Mexico. Remember that little episode called Fast and Furious?

[Multigunner]

Quote Originally Posted by starmac View Post

I personally thijnk Canada handled it pretty well, compared to say FT Hood.


Agreed, from what I could see their tactics were quite solid. Sgt at Arms deserved the round of applause he got today, nicely done.
Interesting story. The actor who played Cage in the old "Combat" TV series had a brother in the Canadian military when another lone shooter, that time a mentally disturbed Canadian army veteran, invaded the Parlement building and took some hostages. The brother went in unarmed and talked the gunman down enough to release his hostages before commiting suicide.

PS
Fort Hood was a very different situation, a treacherous viper in their midst rather than an invader from outside. Also the Ft Hood shooter was a trained serving officer not a pillhead street punk.

[starmac]

The Ft Hood shooter also picked basically a gun free zone to ensure he create as much death and destruction, while this punk picked a crusty Seargent of Arms. The Seargent of Arms dealt with the matter swiftly, sparring the country any long drawn out days in court, and the govt, didn't try to make up a ficticous name for what it was.
Yes there are a lot of differences.

[BrassMagnet]

The Ft Hood shooter also picked basically a gun free zone to ensure he create as much death and destruction, while this punk picked a crusty Seargent of Arms. The Seargent of Arms dealt with the matter swiftly, sparring the country any long drawn out days in court, and the govt, didn't try to make up a ficticous name for what it was.
Yes there are a lot of differences.


Yes, indeed!
In Canada, they do have heroes.
In Canada, they do not have workplace violence.

[starmac]

I heard last night that the Seargent Of Arms is basically a cerimonial position.

Bruce B knew this guy when he was stationed in the NWT, and from my limited knowledge of the mounties they are very capable, probably the more remote, the more capable. I have no doubt that this guy was picked for the CERIMONIAL position because of his capabilities. lol

[BruceB]

I was talking yesterday to my brother who lives in northern Alberta. (Going to see him for elk/white-tail next Friday!)

He has some more info from Canadian sources.

It appears that Kevin Vickers was unarmed when firing broke out.

In a matter of seconds, he retrieved his gun from a lock-box in his office, then ran down the murderer and killed him with two rounds to the body and one to the head. That procedure sounds rather familiar, doesn't it?

Well done; no further victims and NO TRIAL for the animals to voice their accursed "principles" (or religion).

[BrassMagnet]

I was talking yesterday to my brother who lives in northern Alberta. (Going to see him for elk/white-tail next Friday!)

He has some more info from Canadian sources.

It appears that Kevin Vickers was unarmed when firing broke out.

In a matter of seconds, he retrieved his gun from a lock-box in his office, then ran down the murderer and killed him with two rounds to the body and one to the head. That procedure sounds rather familiar, doesn't it?

Well done; no further victims and NO TRIAL for the animals to voice their accursed "principles" (or religion).

I'm so glad Canada is different. Here he would probably be in handcuffs for excessive force!

[9.3X62AL]

One need look no further than Ferguson, MO to see the differences between Canada's realism and the United States' deluded wishful thinking.

[starmac]

I tend to compare it more to the cop sitting in his car at Sandy Hook waiting for backup and the shooting to stop. Uh I guess there really isn't any comparison.

[BruceB]

from my limited knowledge of the mounties they are very capable, probably the more remote, the more capable.

Well..... one day I went to the Yellowknife outdoor range and found a group (maybe twenty?) of RCMP officers doing their annual shooting qualification. I knew almost all of them, to varying degrees.

The NCO in charge (whose name was Herb FINK, if you can believe that) invited me to shoot the course with them. They gave me a .38 Model 10 S&W and an iron-sighted M70 in .308.

I proceeded to shoot the highest score with the revolver.

We were allowed two sighting rounds with the rifle, and mine was shooting about 18" to the right at 100 yards.... right at the edge of the target. Asked if I could adjust the sight, but the RO said NO, shoot it like it is.

So, OK. I fired the twenty-shot course of fire holding on the left edge of that target... and shot the high score of the day with rifle, too!

Was I that good, or were they that bad? I surely wasn't very impressed, especially finding that a rifle which could possibly be issued in a time of need was so badly sighted. Some of the RCMP were very capable shots, make no mistake. Most were like the majority in other police organizations, and only shot enough to satisfy bureaucratic requirements.

In Whitehorse, Yukon Territory, there's a Maxim machine-gun on display in the RCMP detachment. It once stood at the summit of Chilkoot Pass during the gold rush of 1898

At least back in the 1970s, a few constables would occasionally take that gun out and shoot it. Always hoped to be around for one of those excursions, but never did make it.

Anyway.... to sweeten the day at the range even further, they gave me all that lovely once-fired .38 and .308 brass! I used that stuff for many years thereafter.

Nice to be in a small town, and on friendly terms with the gendarmerie.

[starmac]

Bruce, by capable, I was talking more about getting the job done than their shooting abilities. When I first started driving through Northern alberta,BC and the Yukon, I rarely saw trash on the side of the road, a roadsign with bullet holes in it was pretty much non existant, and rare except for the occassional grocery truck headed to Ak would I see anyone speeding or driving erratic in any way. All of this, and usually would not see the first cop in 1500 miles of road. I have met a few, and just figured there was a reason that folks there were well behaved. lol

[minmax]

runfiverun,

I could careless about Canada's Rangers getting any GUNS or this Guy wanting people to donate them. Along with pictures of serial numbers. What a f$&@ing joke.
I have an uncle who lives in Toronto. I new nothing about the Ranger's before yesterday and I new even less about Lee-Enfields. Sure I had heard of them, but knew nothing of their history. I was just educating myself about all the Enfields. Their length of service throughout the world's history. Starting with Lee and then the Brit's etc. This the first form I have ever joined. I thought those to stories were interesting. I was teaching myself on how to share a link. I figured most people thought that the rangers were like the national guard. I did. No doubt Mexico or the Middle East has no trouble getting all the guns they need. I have no doubt the Canadians will either. Why would the go with the old design and not something newer and more effective? Until later in the day did I know of the gunman and what had transpired.

Anyway, like I said I am not wrapped up in this. I am just learning how to type better and use the features of posting.

[5.7 MAN]

I respect the Rangers, but would not donate. Let Canada take care of their troops as they should be.


Anyone ever seen the targets they are using in the video for sale?

[runfiverun]

okay, fair enough.
learning a guns history is a very worth while pursuit.

[BrassMagnet]

runfiverun,

I could careless about Canada's Rangers getting any GUNS or this Guy wanting people to donate them. Along with pictures of serial numbers. What a f$&@ing joke.
I have an uncle who lives in Toronto. I new nothing about the Ranger's before yesterday and I new even less about Lee-Enfields. Sure I had heard of them, but knew nothing of their history. I was just educating myself about all the Enfields. Their length of service throughout the world's history. Starting with Lee and then the Brit's etc. This the first form I have ever joined. I thought those to stories were interesting. I was teaching myself on how to share a link. I figured most people thought that the rangers were like the national guard. I did. No doubt Mexico or the Middle East has no trouble getting all the guns they need. I have no doubt the Canadians will either. Why would the go with the old design and not something newer and more effective? Until later in the day did I know of the gunman and what had transpired.

Anyway, like I said I am not wrapped up in this. I am just learning how to type better and use the features of posting.

Now that you are a part of this forum, be prepared for a wild ride!
When you open a book and turn the page you have no idea where it will lead. This forum is like turning pages for an entire library!
Welcome aboard!

[Artful]

From Minmax's link
http://www.casr.ca/mp-enfield.htm
http://www.casr.ca/mp-enfield-1.jpg


A New Canadian Ranger Rifle is to have a composite stock ( 'Monte Carlo' profile with raised cheekpiece), rail mounts for sighting options, and the all-important re-chambering for civilian .308" Winchester/military 7.62mm NATO ammunition. The latter offers a chance to introduce the cold hammer-forged barrel making technique Colt Canada inherited from Diemaco.[3] The former features are all available as commercial-off-the-shelf items.

http://www.casr.ca/mp-enfield-2.jpg

In the past, CASR reviewed options for converting existing Lee-Enfields to the desired .308" Winchester / 7.62mm NATO round. This has been done by other militarizes in the past but it fails to address the issue of spare parts. Canada was offered a new-build 7.62mm Lee-Enfield. And this made good sense as Lee-Enfields are the Canadian Rangers' preferred weapon. But DND regarded the makers of the new-build rifle, AIA, [1] as unsuitable as a military supplier.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/aia-ad-compressed.jpg

M10-B2 - ‘The top of the line model’, 7.62 NATO, 640mm heavy barrel a la L42A1. Steel blue-black finish, teak hardwood stock with chamfered edges, hand oiled. Adjustable foresight, elevation & windage. 10-rd. box magazine like US M14. ‘L’ aperture for 200 & 400 metres. Comes with Picatinny steel rail for ‘scope sight. Option military butt & cheekrest like L42.
Bolt design is improved by utilizing only one size of non-rotating bolt head (as opposed to original design that relied on several sizes of bolt heads to maintain proper headspace on different rifles).

Features:
For the true enthusiast, the Picatinny rail will mount quality Leupold, Kahles, S&B, Hensoldt and military 26mm diameter tube telescopes, night sights, Harris bipod, &
4-groove hard chrome chordal rifling, hard chrome chamber, recessed muzzle crown.

Accessories:
Rifles come with spare magazine, steel Picatinny rail (both numbered to rifle), trigger guard sling swivel, front sight adjusting tool, &c.
Options:
US Pattern sniper sling (in buffalo hide), Leather cheekpiece cover, Monte Carlo stock

Australian International Arms produced their M10 B2 rifle in .308" Winchester for sports shooting (also in .303" and 7.62x39) but DND did not consider the M10 "a military product".

So why didn't DND consider the AIM M10 B2 a suitable rifle? Was it the wooden stock?
Was it lack of after purchase parts?

Can't import them to the US as some of the work/parts is done in Vietnam. Pity as I'd like one.

[jcwit]

But yet we can buy clothing from Viet Nam.

[runfiverun]

heck yeah, one of those no4 mk4's would be sweet, wouldn't mind a brand new B-10 model either.
I'd just as soon have it in 303 as 308 though.


that ad reminds me of the ones you used to see in the back pages of gun magazines, when you could just order one and they'd mail it right to your house.

[KCSO]

On night Patrol I use to listen to the BBC castigate the American's and the American GUN CULTURE and I thought back to all the guns that were collected and donated to the... Defence of the British Isles. Now Canada want's help??? Are THEY going to be any more greatfull? Maybe as greatfull as say France or England ? I have a pretty good stock of spares for my 303's but I think I will save them for me and mine this time.

[starmac]

KSCO Nobody said Canada wants help, in fact they probably wouldn't take them if there was people stupid enough to try to give them to them. I am sure the rangers are looking forward to getting NEW rifles, and not wanting to replace there worn ones with some exactly like them.

This whole scheme would be just like some guy in Canada coming up with the hairbrained idea that they should take up a collection of trapdoors, to resupply some of our national guard.

[texaswoodworker]

I have a No. 4 Mk1* that was made in America, sent to the UK, most likely used in Europe, then sent to India, and then somehow sent back to the USA. I think it's traveled enough. :p

Oh, and I like pie. :D

[Reverend Al]

This will be resurrecting an ancient thread, but just for your information the Canadian Rangers are FINALLY being issued a new, better suited for the job, replacement rifle. They will be issued Sako / Tikka T3 NCCR rifles (New Canadian Ranger Rifle) in stainless steel and laminated wood stock in .308 Winchester / 7.62 Nato. They are a custom production gun with features that were specifically ordered by the Rangers hence the NCCR designation. It hasn't been confirmed yet, but there has been some suggestion that the Ranger members might be able to buy their old, issue Lee Enfield No. 4 .303 rifles from the government and keep them for personal use. Just thought you might like to know ...

http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/here-it-is-the-new-sako-rifle-for-the-canadian-rangers

[horsesoldier]

I wouldn't mind one of the new ones!

[Reverend Al]

Doesn't look like Tikka will be selling any of this model to the general public since it is a custom production run just for the Canadian Rangers, but who knows ... maybe down the road this model might become available for public purchase?

[flint45]

Not me there big boys let them figure it out thats what men do. Ithink the empire and her subjects have gotten enough of our guns Canada can build a rifle for her Rangers come on how hard can that be.Something does't smell to fresh to me!:groner:

[waksupi]

I'm sitting here scratching my head, wondering how in the hell they wore out a #4?

[Geezer in NH]

NO! period. their goverment's problem + 4 year old thread.