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bobby65
10-05-2014, 07:32 PM
I was loading 9mm with 95g JRN bullets And 6.2g of unique.
Then I remembered I had 500 121g cast boolits.
And just loaded all 500 of then with the 6.2g of unique.
Wile putting them into boxes it hit me. I think I just did something that is going to let me use my new bullet puller.
gun shooting them would be S&W 9mm pro core 5"
Bobby

Idz
10-05-2014, 07:38 PM
If you tell us the length of the bullet and OAL of the round we can run a Quickload calculation and get pressures.

Shiloh
10-05-2014, 07:45 PM
Been there bobby65.

Do you have additional brass?? Pulling 500 is daunting unless you do it in stages. I pulled a .30 caliber ammo can packed full of commercial cast bullets .356 sized 125 gr. RN, over a winter.

Shiloh

bobby65
10-05-2014, 08:10 PM
Length of bullet is.618 OAL length of round is 1.136118360
Thanks for the help

rsrocket1
10-05-2014, 08:13 PM
If you seated them any deeper than 0.1", you are over pressure. If you seated them to the typical 1.135" COL, you are around 44.3kpsi. That pressure will probably not kaboom the gun, but it is considerably over pressure and will probably cause very accelerated wear.

The good news is that you haven't shot them yet. The bad news is you're going to have some fun with that puller. You could do a hundred at a time and get it done in a few sessions all this week.

RED333
10-05-2014, 08:24 PM
I check some data and you are over, pull um, as others have said.

bobby65
10-05-2014, 08:27 PM
yep no fun
good thing I have a lot of 9mm brass and can do a little at a time

Thanks for all the info

Shiloh
10-05-2014, 10:06 PM
yep no fun
good thing I have a lot of 9mm brass and can do a little at a time

Thanks for all the info

Good that you have spare brass. It is a lot less formidable if yo do it 20-25 at a time.

Shiloh

txsnowman2k2
10-06-2014, 12:47 AM
I've had to do the same in the past but not 500 of them. Seems like now would be a great time to get the kids involved...I used to let my son pull loads down...tx

GabbyM
10-06-2014, 01:40 AM
Many of times I've seen welders using a carbon arc cutter for hours on end to break up a bad assembly. Nasty equipment and duty that makes a bullet puller seam like a kiss form a pretty woman.

Quiettime
10-06-2014, 11:01 AM
just don't be a hack like me and hit it on the rough concrete floor. Tends to mark up the puller LOL

Dave C.
10-06-2014, 11:49 AM
Do you have a friend that has a Ruger SA 9mm/357? If you do it should be able to eat them like candy.

Dave C.

triggerhappy243
10-06-2014, 12:08 PM
Share them with the local muslum terrorists.

bobby65
10-06-2014, 12:09 PM
Quiettime
I did that also a wile back on a few that where in the stuff I got from my dad and broke the puller. I looked up pulling bullets and found a thread where they talked about using a wooden mallet to hit against. I will try that to see what happens makes sense to me.

bobby65
10-06-2014, 12:19 PM
That I like I will even pay the shipping
Share them with the local muslum terrorists.

dondiego
10-06-2014, 12:52 PM
That I like I will even pay the shipping
You'll need to add an additional 5 grains of Bullseye to that charge for terrorist ammo. It ensures a complete kaboom!

gwpercle
10-06-2014, 01:18 PM
Do you have a friend that has a Ruger SA 9mm/357? If you do it should be able to eat them like candy.

Dave C.
I was thinking this might be a great excuse to buy a convertible 9mm/ 38/ 357 Ruger Black Hawk....but honey , I've got all this loaded ammo...and think how nice it would be ...one gun using three different types of ammo, would be real useful...

Gary

triggerhappy243
10-06-2014, 01:39 PM
I resemble that logic..........................

seaboltm
10-06-2014, 03:30 PM
I resemble that remark too. Bought an M1 carbine because a buddy gave me an M1 carbine magazine. Had to get the rifle to go with magazine, right????

chsparkman
10-06-2014, 06:16 PM
It's going to be a real pain to pull that many boolits with a kinetic puller. If it were me in your position, and providing that you cast your own, I would pull them using my press and a pair of pliers. It will go ten times faster. Then it will simply be a matter of recasting the boolits.

bobby65
10-06-2014, 09:39 PM
I may have to look into that black hawk since I have a few already.
I pulled 100 in 30 min. used kinetic puller hitting on a one foot piece of landscape timber not to bad

Radarsonwheels
10-06-2014, 10:06 PM
Another vote for the pliers and press- so quick and easy

Shiloh
10-06-2014, 11:09 PM
Another vote for the pliers and press- so quick and easy

The beauty of this method is that there is no need to salvage. Back into the lead pot.

Shiloh

snowtigger
10-07-2014, 06:08 AM
It's been a while, but been there with 1500 rounds of 9mm. I started to pitch the whole works, but two things stopped me. One, I didn't know how to do it without possibly endangering someone else. The other was to teach myself a lesson. I will not ever load that many ANYTHING again without checking everything. I can't remember what the problem was, but loading 1500 in a Dillon 550 is a lot faster than unloading them LOL.

6bg6ga
10-07-2014, 06:51 AM
Its only an oops when it goes BOOM when you pull the trigger. Everything else can be delt with.

Shiloh
10-07-2014, 01:02 PM
It's been a while, but been there with 1500 rounds of 9mm. I started to pitch the whole works, but two things stopped me. One, I didn't know how to do it without possibly endangering someone else. The other was to teach myself a lesson. I will not ever load that many ANYTHING again without checking everything. I can't remember what the problem was, but loading 1500 in a Dillon 550 is a lot faster than unloading them LOL.

Ask me how I know, I spent a winter pulling an ammo can of 9mm that only took a few hours to load.
Lesson learned.

Shiloh

Idz
10-07-2014, 04:06 PM
Using 9mm case, 6.2 gr Unique, 121 gr x 0.618" long bullet, 1.136 OAL Quickload calculates 61,300 psi. (SAAMI spec for 9mm luger +P is 38,500 psi max)
Oddly the loading ratio is 140% meaning this is a very compressed charge. Its surprising you could force the bullet in

gwpercle
10-07-2014, 04:19 PM
I resemble that remark too. Bought an M1 carbine because a buddy gave me an M1 carbine magazine. Had to get the rifle to go with magazine, right????

Of course, you had no other choice!

bobby65
10-19-2014, 11:38 PM
Ok so I pulled them all. Was not as bad as I thought it was going to be put on the TV and went to town.
Now a new problem most took 1 to 2 good hits and some took 4 to 5 good hits and where very deeply crimped. Never adjusted the dies after first setting them and tweaking. And they where mixed in so not like it changed at the end but off and on all the way till the end. Why?????

triggerhappy243
10-20-2014, 12:37 AM
gotta wonder if the thickness of the case wall differed. or maybe the bullet diameter was different... or perhaps some bullets are softer than others and were swaged just a skosh.

leadman
10-20-2014, 01:10 AM
Could also be the length of the cases. Longer cases go deeper into the die so get crimped tighter.

Pinsnscrews
10-20-2014, 02:12 AM
I was reloading and talking to my Son a couple weeks ago. Yes, I was distracted. no I was not having "That" talk with my Son as he is 24. But it was a bad idea to be having a father son discussion while reloading. So out of 400 rounds of loaded 10mm, somewhere around the 125-150 mark, the seating die backed out enough that my rounds went from 1.25 COL to 1.275 COL.

now I am debating whether to actually pull them. The rounds will only load 3 to a mag, but will seat fully in the barrel of my RIA Bull Barrel. I could very easily see using them strictly for reload practice drills at the range. Load a couple to a mag, lock, fire, drop, reload, fire, drop, reload, fire, drop, reload, fire etc...the rounds are separated by length and the correctly seated up to 1.26 are in the gun safe with the rest of the reloads, and those waiting the decision are marked on the loading bench waiting for me to decide what to do...

dondiego
10-20-2014, 09:54 AM
Can't you just seat them deeper????............or is the crimp real tight?

GabbyM
10-20-2014, 10:22 AM
Ok so I pulled them all. Was not as bad as I thought it was going to be put on the TV and went to town.
Now a new problem most took 1 to 2 good hits and some took 4 to 5 good hits and where very deeply crimped. Never adjusted the dies after first setting them and tweaking. And they where mixed in so not like it changed at the end but off and on all the way till the end. Why?????

If you are using mixed head-stamp brass that would be the typical result. Case length and case wall thickness. Also seating and crimping in one stroke often yields mixed results.

Pinsnscrews
10-20-2014, 10:46 AM
It's a good crimp. The first few I tried all tried to crumple the case wall instead of seating deeper. I seat then crimp using the Lee FCD. I may need to adjust it to a slightly lighter crimp, but it measures right on the money.

stephen m weiss
10-22-2014, 10:14 PM
I got a progressive press as my first press. Ha, in the last two months (my whole time reloading) I have probably pulled 1500. It's always better to fix em than waste time and money shooting junk. it's good exercise anyway.

Things I learned: Use a dry hardwood stump to hit. I carried one down to the basement. Takes only 2 whacks with my left hand instead of like 5 with a small piece of wood on concrete. Make a gasket sized to the bullet case so powder can't bounce out and all over your basement. Put an earplug in the bottom of the puller to catch the bullet nicely. Use both right and left arm to balance the workout! Unload 10 at a time and weigh the powder. It's nice to know how close your actual average was to what you labeled them.

I figured you would get 'er done quick!

bobby65
10-23-2014, 09:45 AM
All
Thanks for the information coming in learning lots.