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1_Ogre
09-19-2014, 02:43 PM
I don't know why, but none of the loading manuals display any data for loading the Lyman 358477 150gr SWC in the 38 Special. They have it for the 357 though. If I was limited to only ONE boolit, it would be the Lyman 358477, and I use it in both my 357's and 38 Specials and have had zero problems with stability, accuracy, leading, nothing. This is in my humble opinion one of the best all around boolits that's been designed. Yes, there are a lot of good ones out there, but if you had to settle on just one, my choice would be the 358477. It's not gas checked so you can't blaze trails with it, but for small game (up to and including small deer) it will get the job done, or just for plinking you can had a ball all day long and not get wrist cramps.
THIS LOAD DATA HAS COME FROM YEARS OF MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
For about 95% of my 358477 loads I use 4.0gr of Unique or 4.3gr of 231. Nice easy to control round and most likely more accurate than you can hold the revolver.
My weapon of choice is of course the Ruger Black Hawk or Ruger GP100 but they function perfectly fine in my Ruger LCR in 38 Special also. I have fired literally thousands through the above 3 weapons and to date I have had NO case buldges, misfires, split cases, primers popping out, nothing but pure fun and enjoyment.
I have a Lyman 358477 4-Cav mould, and in the past 2 days cast up right at 1500 of them, and they will soon be loaded and sitting on the shelf ready to do their duty, which is to give me pleasue.
If there's anyone else out there that uses the 358477 in a 38 Special, I'd like to hear from you because as I said previously there is NO loading information that I have been able to locate, so I did it on my own, which I usually do anyway.
Thanks for reading and if you have any feedback, please let me know.

Steve, s-3

Blackwater
09-19-2014, 03:31 PM
It's not quite the same, but I've used tons of the little Lee 358-15-SWCHP's for many years, until my mould burned in a buddy's house after I'd loaned it to him. May it rest in peace. It sure served me well, and except for the HP, it's pretty close to your fave. Like you said, I found it killed any and everything I pointed it at, and it shot nice groups, too. Reduced follow up time on rapid fire (tactical) repeat shots, too, which was nice, and the HP worked VERY well when cast semi-soft and tin was added. A buddy shoots his deer in a .357 levergun with 140 gr. XTP J-bullets, and gets pass throughs on almost all shots. Only acute angling shots threaten to leave the bullet in the deer. Dang fine bullet wt. that gives great results with minimal fuss and bother, and allows faster follow-up, if they're ever needed. I like 'em too!

MT Gianni
09-19-2014, 04:26 PM
I also have a 4 cavity 158 gr mold, profiles have changed over the years. I went with an accuracy load of 5.4 gr Unique forever straight from the lyman manuals. Currently anything out there shows 5 gr as a max load for the 38 special. It is nearly as accurate and small game doesn't seem to care.

gwpercle
09-19-2014, 04:50 PM
That was the very first mould I ever bought, for a Ruger Blackhawk. I load 38 special cases with 5.0 grains of Unique, that was the most accurate load in my gun. I could never get satisfactory groups with less than 4.6 grains of Unique. I gave up trying to light load Unique and bought some Bullseye , Red Dot and 700X for those purposes.
I still consider the 5.0 grains of Unique & 358477 boolit my go to, standard velocity, favorite, all-around load in 38 special.
Gary

waco
09-19-2014, 05:01 PM
I have the NOE brass four cavity 360477. I load it over 3.2gr of titegroup, 3.5gr. of Bullseye, or sometimes 4.5gr Unique. I agree. Great boolit !!

Guesser
09-19-2014, 05:48 PM
Mine is an Ideal DC that drops at 148 grains made up of 50/50 PB/WW. Great all round bullet.

tazman
09-19-2014, 07:31 PM
I have the 4 cavity from Lyman. Currently using it in 38 special shot through my 357 mag. I load it over 5.0 grains of CFE pistol.
I get just under 975fps with it and it is very accurate.

rockshooter
09-19-2014, 08:16 PM
I have the NOE version, both plain base and GC. My normal .38sp load is 4.1 gr of 231. I use the GC version in .357. Great boolet!
Loren

jeepyj
09-19-2014, 08:42 PM
I could agree more I use the 358477 as my "pet" load. I have cast and shot that Boolit 10 to 1 over all my others combined. I shoot at steel and silly-wets out of a Ruger Blackhawk, Smith 686 and a Colt Trooper III. Mostly out of the Blackhawk with a Millet red-dot. My preference is 5 grains of Unique in a 38 special. I agree with the OP about how good this boolit is and the fact it's hard to find any loading information for the 38. Honestly I can't remember how I came across this combination but for me it groups for me better than most.
I'll be sure to follow this post!
jeepyj

Yodogsandman
09-19-2014, 09:31 PM
The 358477 is the only 38 SPL/357 mold I own, no need for another. I load the 38 SPL with 5.6gr AA5 for a full power load.

primersp
09-20-2014, 01:49 AM
i have the rcbs version good shooter in my gp100 and and s&w66

runfiverun
09-20-2014, 04:30 AM
I have 2 versions of the 477 one round on the nose and one more square.
they both have sharp square plain bases though.
pushed along at @ 750 fps with 4 grs of 231 in the 38 case they are stable over a looong distance, I have even penetrated 16" of cow down through the skull and into the jugular vein with that same combination a couple of times.
I'm trying to remember who put up the pic's [Gll [jerry] maybe] some time back, but airc he showed two more nose versions other than the ones than I have.
which reminds me I have about 1500 of them sitting in the tubes for the star I need to get sized at some point in the near future.

Harry O
09-20-2014, 08:57 AM
I have used a bunch of 358 477's through the years. It is the most accurate .38 Special bullet I have up to about 25 yards in every gun I have tried it in. It is about equal to my 358 429 from there to about 50 yards. Beyond 50 yards, the 358 429 has the edge in accuracy. I use 6.2gr of HS-6 with homemade lube with the 358 477.

Cherokee
09-20-2014, 08:57 AM
I've used 358477 4 cavity for over 40 years in 38 and 357. Great shooting boolit. My fav serious load is 5.5 Herco @ 1.462" OAL for full power, it hits 950 fps from 6" 38 or 357. My fav normal load is 3.5 231 that hits 8010 fps from 6" guns. That boolit will work with any sutable powder, a great design.

Edit - you guys have fun, the 8010 shoud have been 810 fps.....

tazman
09-20-2014, 05:56 PM
My fav normal load is 3.5 231 that hits 8010 fps from 6" guns.

That's some seriously impressive speed.:mrgreen:[smilie=w:

MtGun44
09-20-2014, 10:41 PM
Yeah, I can barely reach 6000 fps in my rifles, let along 8000 fps in a pistol! :kidding:

:bigsmyl2:

Joking aside - I have several 4 cav old style 150 gr 358477 molds and this is a very good
design, essentially identical to RCBS 38 150 SWC (old molds were K or KT rather than SWC).

Bill

Cadillo
09-21-2014, 12:05 AM
The 358477 is also my favorite bullet, and I cast a lot of different slugs. About a year ago I read an article in the Cast Bullet Association Newsletter in which the writer recommended 4.3 grains of 231 under it in a .38 special case. This was a little hotter than what I was loading at the time, but I tried it, and found it to be quite accurate. It will shoot more accurately than I can shoot it. So, 4.3 grains is now my standard loading. The same charge of 231 also works good under my checked 358156 bullets. It's just a good powder charge with either of those bullets.

greenwart
12-24-2014, 10:45 AM
I really like this bullet. I have been drifting to shooting 38 sp in my 357's because I came across 1500 38 special cases. My problem with this mold is I have a single cavity lyman. I am tempted to buy a 4 gang mold and wondered if the new ones are as good as the old ones. They are $78 at midsouth and seem to go for that amount on fleabay. I like the way it shoots with unique, but I have 4 lbs of bulllseye and 8 lbs of reddot on the shelf so they get used first.

tomme boy
12-24-2014, 11:08 AM
I just got a really nice 5 cavity of this design from NOE. This thing is awesome! Drops right at 0.360" So anyone with more data it would be great. I have not loaded any yet as the gun is at Ruger right now.

Petrol & Powder
12-24-2014, 11:43 AM
I don't have the Lyman 358477 but I do have the RCBS .38-150 SWC which appears to be very similar to the Lyman.
It delivers outstanding all-around service. Acting on advice from knowledgeable members of this forum (mostly Mtngun44 - THANKS! ) I purchased that mold. I've since obtained other .358" molds but I use the RCBS 38-150 more than any other .358" mold, by a large margin. That mold drops bullets close to 158 grains and around .359" -.360" with my alloy, which is just about perfect for my needs.

WW231 has been my powder of choice for 38 Special for longer than I can remember and 4.4grs of WW231 behind that SWC produces very good results in all of my revolvers.
With WW231 being just about as difficult to obtain these days as plutonium 239 and maybe a bit more expensive :shock: ; I've been searching for a replacement powder. Hodgdon CFE Pistol seems to be a good powder for 38 Special. 5.1 grs of CFE behind that same bullet works very well.

I completely agree with the OP that the 358477 or one of the clones is an outstanding 38/357 bullet. I would be perfectly happy with just that one mold to feed my 38 Special revolvers and in fact, I practically do just that.

Hand loading can be an incredible journey and there's tremendous fulfillments in exploring and experimenting but sometimes it's easy to get lost in the tall weeds. Simplicity has a value all to its own.

Beerd
12-24-2014, 03:17 PM
:groner: and still another "must have" mould.
..

Cherokee
12-24-2014, 07:04 PM
Back in the 70's I did a side by side test of the Lyman 358477 and RCBS 150 SWC with 6-8 different guns and several loads. For me, the 358477 worked out best. I have even run it in full 357 Mag loads without leading and great accuracy.

MT Gianni
12-24-2014, 09:54 PM
RCBS has done a few 150's. IIRC, the 150 K or the KT is the twin to the 477.

rbuck351
12-25-2014, 09:46 AM
I have an older Lyman 2 cav mold that drops them at 152grs. It is my absolute favorite for the 38spl. I shoot it in a 4" M28smith with 5.2grs of 231 for about 1050 fps. I don't remember where I got that load as I've been using it for 30/35 years but it's probably a little hot for a light frame 38spl. It sure does shoot good in the M28 though. I wish I had a 4 Cav. What does the NOE copy weigh in coww?

rintinglen
12-26-2014, 02:50 AM
Here's some data from RCBS Cast Bullet Manual No. 1 for the 38-150 swc in 38 special. These top end loads are definitely plus P, but I have shot thousands of the WW-231 starting load and quite a few of the 4.0 grain Bullseye load as well from a 1960's era pencil barrel S&W M-10. I would not try the top end loads in any 38 revolver not rated for plus p.

POWDER START MAX
IMR 4227 11.6 12.6
H110____ 9.7--10.7
2400____ 9.2--10.2
231_____ 4.5--5.0
BULLSEYE__ 4.0--4.5
700X____ 3.5--4.0

Bucking the Tiger
12-26-2014, 07:18 AM
I have the NOE 5 cavity version of this mold, their 360477, and it is so ideal that almost all .38 Specials and the majority of .357 Magnums I load are with this bullet. The driving bands are big and it will shoot good at distance.

CastingFool
12-26-2014, 08:11 AM
Found a great article by Glen Fryxell about the 358477.

http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell358477HP.htm

tazman
12-26-2014, 08:59 AM
Thanks for posting the link. It's a good read.

358 Win
02-15-2015, 12:15 PM
I have both the Lyman 358477 SWC and 358156 SWCGC in four cavity molds. The 477 mold produces a 154 grain bullet which I size to 3592". My absolute favorite for full house loads is of course the 358156 which produces a 164 grain bullet fully dressed with lube and gas checks installed but for just bumming around the woods the 358477 gets the nod. I shoot both handguns and rifles in .357 Magnum so a lot of lead makes it's way downrange every year. A charge of 5.0 grains of Bullseye or Red Dot in a magnum case does 1038 fps from my 4" S&W 19-4 and 1228 fps from my 1894C Marlin. No sight adjustments were necessary in either weapon when sighted in for full house loads using the 358156 bullet. Groups with Red Dot are a skosh better than with Bullseye but I sure would not want to live of the difference. I'm using Bullseye because I have over 4 pounds of it and my Red Dot powder is used primarily for my 12 gauge shotgun target loads.

With ACC#9, using a book load of 15.0 grains and the 358156 does 1800 fps from the 1894C and 1368 fps from the same S&W 4" 19-4. I have several other .358 molds but could shoot the above two bullets for the rest of my days and could not be happier.

358 Win

aharlow
02-15-2015, 01:47 PM
I have the 2 cavity HP version of the NOE 360477 mold and love it! What a great looking mold and boolit it cast. It's like a work of art... almost didn't want to get her dirty..lol. I load with Unique with my 38 Spec. loads and when doing 357 Mag i love Alliant's 2400. I load my 357 Mag loads a little light for my Colt Python (My Grandpa's side arm back in the 50's) but do have a Ruger GP100 6" stainless 357 Mag on order so i can load some heavies for hunting and some hotter 357 Mag Loads along with 38 Spec +P loads. My Python is my baby and I really don't want to push her too hard. Been in the family a long time.

130854 130855

nitro-express
11-15-2016, 10:04 AM
I came across a 358477 mold at a gunshow, it was covered with some thick hard black ???? but the price was right. It cleaned up nicely and it casts better than any of my other molds. It dropped oblong boolits, so I adjusted the pins to take out the shake. I tried various loads, in 357 cases but leading was always an issue. I eventually got my gun to shoot with 358156 and had abandoned the 477.

The other day I was having issues with a pot of alloy, just wouldn't cast, so I grabbed the 477 and gave it a shot. I was having such good luck that I cast about 70. Instead of remelting, I decided to size and lube them for a buddy. They looked so good, I just had to test some. I used 3.9 gr of Universal in a 357 case, and was pleased when they did not lead. Not a powerhouse load and some accuracy issues, but no leading. The cylinder on my Colt SAA has large throats, so I size to 359. The 359 sizing die just barely touches the bullet, I do wish that they would drop a bit larger.

In previous posts it was mentioned that there are different flavors of this bullet. Here is a picture of what mine look like.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/nitro-express/IMG_20161115_074203_zpscu6qn3rq.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/nitro-express/media/IMG_20161115_074203_zpscu6qn3rq.jpg.html)

Scharfschuetze
11-15-2016, 12:04 PM
I also use the RCBS 38-150-SWC. It's one of the first moulds that I bought and it's still dropping perfect boolits. To my eye, it's about the same design as the Lyman 358477.

I load it to 800 fps in the 38 Special and 1,000 fps in the 357 and it makes for a fine plinking and small game/vermin load. Unique and 231 both propel these loads.

nitro-express
11-15-2016, 06:24 PM
I had a bunch of bullets given to me and I thought they were from a RCBS 38-150-SWC, so I bought one as well as the 358477. When I compare mine the 38-150 (left) looks a bit more Keith like than the 477 (right). Both these molds have a long production run, there are variations in each style.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/nitro-express/IMG_20161115_155324_zpsu8frkct7.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/nitro-express/media/IMG_20161115_155324_zpsu8frkct7.jpg.html)

My quest for an appropriate cast boolit mold for something that wouldn't lead in my revolver has me to the point I now have 5 molds.



a Lyman 358345, not much good in my 357, but works in my 9mm Browning Long.
358477
RCBS 38-150-SWC
358156 - my go to for the 357.
RCBS 38-158-SWC, leads like crazy (same load as 358156), and I think that is because the front band on my 358156 is undersize, about 355, so it matches the groove for my gun better.


I only bought one new, so my investment wasn't too much.

I'm new to casting, still learning, making mistakes, and leaning from those mistakes. Just this weekend I was able to salvage a batch of alloy that wouldn't work. Melted it, -AGAIN- , took it to 700, fluxed it, dropped the temp to 600 and skimmed off 2 > 3 oz of some lumpy stuff and it works good now. Originally I'd mixed in a bunch of what I thought was babbitt with lead and COWW. What I got was soft nozzle plugging junk that wouldn't cast worth a ****. Interestingly, removing the funny looking dross actually raised the BHN 2 numbers. Like I said, still learning and not understanding some things at all.

I've been studying phase diagrams for Pb, Sn and Sb and so far all I've got is a headache.

nitro-express
11-18-2016, 08:31 AM
Back in the 70's I did a side by side test of the Lyman 358477 and RCBS 150 SWC with 6-8 different guns and several loads. For me, the 358477 worked out best. I have even run it in full 357 Mag loads without leading and great accuracy.

I've been able to get accuracy, but leading is another story. I don't think the boolit is the problem, more likely the fool doing the reloading. I do have one question, what COL were you using? Did you crimp in the groove or over the front of the first band. I looked a little more closely at the Lyman data and noticed a 1.510" COL, which means that they didn't crimp in the groove.

Forrest r
11-18-2016, 09:35 AM
There's a lot of different versions of the "Keith" style bullet in general let alone the different designs from the same mold maker. Some of the 35cal "Keith" style bullets that I cast/shoot.
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t242/forrestr-photo/8f17c72e-d31b-49bf-a313-8cd55cc594b6_zpslnvxx4hx.jpg (http://s162.photobucket.com/user/forrestr-photo/media/8f17c72e-d31b-49bf-a313-8cd55cc594b6_zpslnvxx4hx.jpg.html)

Left/red: A lyman 358477
2nd left/silver: A cramer #26
3rd left/red: A h&g #51
far right/green: A lyman 358439

That 358477 pictured above has the 3 equal drive bands and the round grease groove.

Typically I use the h&g #51 bullets in the 38spl's & the rest of them in both the 38spl and the 357. I prefer the rounded grease grooved lyman molds simply because the rounded grease groove makes a stronger/more supported bullet base. Of those 4 bullets the cramer #26 has the top 2 drive bands that are equal & a large, thick bullet base. The h&g #51 & 358438 have larger middle drive bands.

The lyman 358477's have always preformed well for me. Used to use a 3.2gr load of winchester's aa452 & the lyman 358477, that load was mild enough to plink with all day in any 4" bbl'd 38spl & could chew the x-ring out of any of the nra pistol targets including the b-19 in a target pistol.

NoZombies
11-18-2016, 12:16 PM
I've got one of the more rounded nose variant molds, and a more square nose variant. The square nose variant still had the ideal moniker, indicating it's the older mold. I've found little difference in accuracy, but I prefer the looks of the squarer nose.

nitro-express
11-27-2016, 10:01 AM
Glad to see this web site back up without the security warning.

I bought a NOS (2013) Ruger Blackhawk in 357, base model with the 4.6" barrel. As I suspected, my Colt with its large throats and small groove diameter wasn't helping. The Ruger has throats and groove in the 358 region, both about the same. Loads that were not any good in the Colt are decent in the Ruger. I only have a 357 H sizer (closer to 3575) and a 359 H sizer. 359 boolits would be 0.001" oversize but they seem to work a bit better than 3575.

Bottom line: somewhat amazed at how much difference a small difference in throat and groove diameter makes. Had some 38 spl loads with Speer 158 RN swagged that were poor in the Colt, work pretty nice in the Ruger.

The 358146 load that works real well in the Colt also works well in the Ruger. (9.0 gr WW 571, CCI 550)

tazman
11-27-2016, 01:31 PM
I used to use the 358477 a lot. I have since switched to the NOE 360-150-SWC. It weighs the same and has 3 larger driving bands that give me better accuracy.
Here is a picture from the NOE site of the boolit.
http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/images/360-150-SWC_%28PB%29__154_gr_Sketch.Jpg

skeettx
11-27-2016, 03:01 PM
Yes, the 358477 is an awesome bullet for the 38 Special and you can push it to 1000 fps in the 4" Smith :)

marlin39a
11-27-2016, 03:05 PM
The first mold I got back in 1977 was a used 2 cavity 358477. I still have it and use it. 3.5 gr of HP-38 in the 38 Spl.

Char-Gar
11-27-2016, 04:09 PM
Sure I shoot lots of 358477. I have three 38 Special loads built around cast bullets and Bullseye powder, they are

1. 358477/3.5 BE - This is a general purpose field load.
2. Hensley & Gibbs 244 wadcutter/3.5 Bulleye - Put up in wadcutter brass, this is a defense load and also good for critters.
3. 358311/3.0 BE - This is a nice range and plinking load. Pressure is low so the load won't wear small frame snubs and pre-war M & Ps.

Yodogsandman
11-27-2016, 04:47 PM
The Lyman 358477 is the only boolit that I've ever needed for 38 SPL.

jonp
11-27-2016, 04:48 PM
I picked up one of those molds somewhere and it works very well in both my Blackhawk and my Target Masterpiece. Best powder ive found for it is Vectan GM3 of all things althiugh it doesnt seem fussy about powder choice

jrmartin1964
11-27-2016, 06:30 PM
The first mould I ever bought for .38 Special was a double-cavity 358477. I picked it up used, probably 30 years ago. I've managed, in the intervening years, to accumulate eight more moulds of various design for the .38, each with its own merits. To date, though, boolits cast in that old mould, sitting over 3.0 grs. of Bullseye, give the best results of any through my S&W Model 10.

dale2242
11-28-2016, 08:58 AM
I need to get my 4 cavity 358477 mold out and get a bunch of them cast.
I just discovered I am completely out.
What a slacker.....dale

Char-Gar
11-28-2016, 06:54 PM
Here's some data from RCBS Cast Bullet Manual No. 1 for the 38-150 swc in 38 special. These top end loads are definitely plus P, but I have shot thousands of the WW-231 starting load and quite a few of the 4.0 grain Bullseye load as well from a 1960's era pencil barrel S&W M-10. I would not try the top end loads in any 38 revolver not rated for plus p.

POWDER START MAX
IMR 4227 11.6 12.6
H110____ 9.7--10.7
2400____ 9.2--10.2
231_____ 4.5--5.0
BULLSEYE__ 4.0--4.5
700X____ 3.5--4.0

There is no way in hades, I would run 4.0 to 4.5 grains of Bullseye in any 38 Special revolver.

runfiverun
11-28-2016, 11:29 PM
I'm even a half grain below that books starting load with 231 and the 477.
it seems to shoot straight and stay stable over distance and has good penetration on stuff.

ikarus1
06-13-2017, 01:36 PM
Based on this thread I purchased a 358477 4 cav Lyman with handles and will be developing my own 38 loads with this fine SWC. From what I've read in other places this just made might be the last 38 caliber mold I need

Right now I have been using the Lee TL358-158SWC which drops ovalish bullets between 358 and 360 with COWW [emoji23]

Wanting to PC and size these

TexasGrunt
06-13-2017, 05:21 PM
I have a 358477 and it's my most used SWC in .38 and .357.

I just load it over 4 gr of Bullseye for both.

Jack Stanley
06-13-2017, 09:42 PM
I'll admit I shoot way more of the round nose bullets than these but when it's hunting time . I'd much rather use the 358477 . Mine is the older hundred and fifty grain version and it shoots way better than I can .

Jack

ikarus1
06-14-2017, 12:37 AM
I'll admit I shoot way more of the round nose bullets than these but when it's hunting time . I'd much rather use the 358477 . Mine is the older hundred and fifty grain version and it shoots way better than I can .

Jack

Yep mine is older and it throws around 154gr with COWW and a bit of tin

Whitespider
06-14-2017, 09:06 AM
They drop at 156 grains from my Lyman branded mold (COWW).
My Combat Masterpiece likes 4.5 grains of W231 with this boolit.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt321/Whitespider8591/DSCF0002.jpg (http://s624.photobucket.com/user/Whitespider8591/media/DSCF0002.jpg.html) http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt321/Whitespider8591/boolit.jpg (http://s624.photobucket.com/user/Whitespider8591/media/boolit.jpg.html)
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ikarus1
06-14-2017, 12:08 PM
Man those are some purty SWCs.

I find that around 3.4gr of BE gives me a nice steel target shooting load from my 64 no dash K frame. But its a bit stout for my 637-2 [emoji6]

jonp
06-14-2017, 04:51 PM
Not forgotten by me. The 148-150 gr works great in my 357. I go lighter in my 38sp for the most part but I just plink with them

bob208
06-14-2017, 06:47 PM
I have the rcbs mold that is close. I went to it from the 358429 to save lead..it shoots good in all my pistols. even when I load it up to skeeter load levels.

Bazoo
06-14-2017, 08:29 PM
Found a great article by Glen Fryxell about the 358477.

http://www.lasc.us/Fryxell358477HP.htm

That was a good article, thanks for posting.

Hi-Speed
06-19-2022, 09:23 PM
Old thread but still applies. Great bullet. Along with the Lyman 358429, the Lyman 358477 is a favorite of mine in my Ruger 357 Magnum BH. I use 13.5 grs 2400 behind the 155 gr 358477 (I also use the same charge under generic 158 gr cast SWC’s) for an all purpose magnum load and is what I carry most when I’m off to the range.

For 150-155 gr 358477s in 38 Special, I would use the time honored 3.5 grs Bullseye charge usually earmarked for the 158 gr, close enough I say. In 38 Spl +P you’d be better served using 5.6 grs Power Pistol with the 358477.

Oregon_Dan
07-24-2023, 12:18 AM
1_Ogre,
A long long time ago in a place far, far away, when I was much younger and shooting PPC competitively, I made, and shot hundreds of those with a load very similar to yours. Still have my Lyman 4 cavity mold, somewhere.....

jdgabbard
07-24-2023, 02:35 PM
I've got a two cavity. It's always been accurate with 4.0gr of Unique. But I've always been told the 5.0gr was the standard loading. Wish I had a decent 4-cavity mold, but what I have will do for me. Although, mine throws boolits closer to 158gr.