35 cal delimma

[Blammer]

Ok, I was gonna do a 35x57 on an M48 action and do the wildcat bit... THEN I spoke to the smith who'll be doing the work.

I was confined to the M48 action. Now I'm not. Short, intermediate, or long are available.

This allows for all cartridge choices.

This will be a CB shooter primarily.

35 caliber, 24" or 22" 1/10 twist 6 groove.

sooooo...

358 Win? 35 whelen?

what would you do?

[Blammer]

Will the 35 whelen have 'toomuch' powder room for CB shooting?

[GrizzLeeBear]

358 Win. in a short action. I'm gonna have me one someday! The Whelen, while a great caliber, has more boiler room than you can really use for cast boolits.

[felix]

Not true, Grizz. The 06 case is perfect for full performance boolits in 35/36 cal. 2400 fps with 180's is no problem, and in fact is very accurate even with 14 twist. H335 or very slightly slower will give this performance. Increase the boolit weight, the recoil will become the primary factor. Superb accuracy with 280's at 14 twist.

Blammer, 10 is way too much twist. ... felix

[NSP64]

How come someone doesn't do a 38/44 B&D in a short/lever action?

[felix]

My take would be way too much neck angle for easy feeding in a short bolt gun. Might, just might, get away with it in a Winnie rather than a Marlin. The former has a longer bolt movement. ... felix

[Blammer]

I'll enquire to a slower twist.

is 1/10 doable comfortably with 35 whelen and cast boolits?

[Scrounger]

How come someone doesn't do a 38/44 B&D in a short/lever action?

Put me down for one.

[MT Gianni]

Put me down for one.

I think Gary Reeder had the 357/41 Mag in a pistol and was looking at the mod 92 conversions. Been a few years ago. Gianni

[felix]

No, Blammer. ... felix

[mroliver77]

How come someone doesn't do a 38/44 B&D in a short/lever action?

Who was the fellow a year or two ago chambering levers for all kinds of neat cartridges like this? I am pretty sure it was on this site. Coulda been Pacos site too.
J

[Scrounger]

Who was the fellow a year or two ago chambering levers for all kinds of neat cartridges like this? I am pretty sure it was on this site. Coulda been Pacos site too.
J

I believe that was Rrussell. I followed his experiments with great interest. Hope he's still around.

[Blammer]

felix, what twist would you recommend for everything from 180gr/200gr bullets to the heavy 280gr?

1/12? 1/14? 1/16?

[felix]

Blammer, if you can regulate to 235 grains max, then use 16; if not, you will find safety in the 14. The 12 twist is standard in the 358, and that would be the fastest twist I would even contemplate, like if that is what the gun-on-the-shelf already made comes with. You always have to consider the make-versus-buy cost/benefit ratio in your particular circumstance. ... felix

[Blammer]

thanks!

I want options!

1/14 sounds good. I presume it will be a good twist for J words too...

[waksupi]

I do beleive I am shooting the same velocity, and bullets, as Shuz and Pilgrim. Me, .358 Win, them, .35 Whelen. .358 Win has all the powder capacity you need.

[Marlin Junky]

Your accuracy results are going to depend on more than just rate of twist and there are too many variables to simply state this twist or that twist will handle anything from 180 to 280 grain boolits... especially with today's crummy factory barrels.

For example, my 57 year old receiver sighted Marlin 336A in .35 Remington with its 16" twist will out shoot my brand new scope sighted Ruger Hawkeye in .358 Winchester with its 12" twist using SAECO #352 cast of WW metal and a trace of tin. The Marlin will hit harder too because the accuracy with the Ruger really goes to heck at 1800 to 1900 fps while the Ballard rifled Marlin is still shooting 1.5 to 1.75 MOA at 2100 fps.

Unless you've decided your main reason for acquiring a .35 Whelen (or larger capacity) rifle is to hammer your shoulder with Lyman 358009, the best twist for your first .35 (IMO) is the 1 in 16". I also think the Whelen is better than the .358 because you can get more of the slower powders in the case... which translates into lower pressures and better accuracy with softer boolits.

MJ

[Bass Ackward]

I'd really pick between 358 and the Whelen as a matter of what weight bullets I wanted to shoot as the biggest difference is their standard throat length. The 35 Remmy is the versatility compromise here.

Most all factory molds are bore ride configurations, a 358 with a shorter throat would work well. Action type and length for reliable feeding may be another train driver to go one way or the other.

But all these are really not the issue to me. There are almost no "one gun men" anymore that require the flexibility of a single launching system to handle everything on this earth from plinking to elephants. So I say it is fairly impractical to even try, as it only leads to disappointment on one end or the other.

Then when you finally realize what you want most from the gun, your original compromise limited you there as well. You pick the 35 bore because you want a hunting rifle that because of the twist rate advantages, kills well with either metal projectile, while offering extended range opportunities with cast, without any more recoil than necessary.

So choice depends on the game in mind. Let that drive your decision as to bullet weight and velocity and then make your choice. For deer on down, it would be the Remmy. For deer on up, I would think bigger.

[Marlin Junky]

I'd really pick between 358 and the Whelen as a matter of what weight bullets I wanted to shoot as the biggest difference is their standard throat length.

Bass... that is correct. I almost forgot why I was trying to find someone who can provide a chamber with .35 Whelen capacity (and neck) coupled with a .358 Win throat. The search has not been easy. So far I've talked somewhat to Mike Bellm who can give me the easy to load for "wildcat" I want (.358 Bellm with a longer body so it can't be chambered in a Contender) but he may not be able to deliver on the 5 or 7 groove, deep rifled barrel.

MJ